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But he looks at the Inquisitor no matter the romance status, so we need to keep that in mind. If he's looking for any particular reason, then it has to be something that every Inquisitor can experience, and not just a romanced Lavellan.

 

I still consider strongly that it was a dismissive "You know nothing, child of the stone!" sort of moment, but I suppose we'll see.

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Touches? If I remember correctly, we see Justinia burning brightly and Inquisitor cowering and shielding their eyes from blinding brightness (right before Justinia explodes).

 

 

I think the point being made by the video is that none of the companions cower or shield their eyes or act any different when Justinia starts to glow. I didn't think it meant anything in particular when I played, but I was still surprised no one dissected that video like they did ones of the voices in the Well.



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I love Bethany, but it's also super easy to be solid friends with her considering how I play. I'm trying to decide if I want to make her a Warden this time or leave her to the Circle as before. I haven't taken her into the Deep Roads before.

 

Perhaps someday I will understand the Carver feels.

 

I'm a little inspired to maybe write something about siblings, since I didn't grow up with any.

 

Beth is much happier as a CIrcle Mage.  She finds purpose there that she doesn't find in the Wardens.

 

I sometimes write Hawke sibling feels.

 

I liked Bethany too, but I usually played as a Mage Hawke so I had more time with Carver. I find Carver to be the more interesting of the twins simply for the fact that he is a very layered and realistic character. I'm not saying that Bethany isn't realistic, but I don't think it's unjustified to label her as a Mary Sue. I would recommend you try Warden Bethany and Templar and Warden Carver eventually. I prefer Circle Bethany, I believe Bethany prefers Circle Bethany, but it adds an interesting light to her character seeing her grow bitter after being forced into the Grey Wardens. On the flip side Carver embraces being a Grey Warden and everything that they should stand for, he embraces being a Templar too, but my pro mage Hawkes usually take that as a serious betrayal to the family.

 

I grew up with six siblings  :D I have plenty of stories if you need some inspiration!

 

I would disagree that Carver finds happiness with the Templers.  I had a Templer!Carver once and took him with me during Legacy.  A lot of his banter with Anders implies he's frustrated with the Templers and would've joined the Wardens if he'd had the chance.  Anders even says he thinks Carver would've made a good Warden and has the right temperament for it.  Plus, I'm a huge fan of Merrill/Carver and actually find the pairing makes me uncomfortable with a Templer!Carver.

 

And nothing beats the epic calling out Warden Carver gives Hawke if she sides with the Templers in the endgame, about how he fought through half the city thinking he was going to save her from the Knight Commander only to find she joined Meredith willingly.


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I think the point being made by the video is that none of the companions cower or shield their eyes or act any different when Justinia starts to glow. I didn't think it meant anything in particular when I played, but I was still surprised no one dissected that video like they did ones of the voices in the Well.

 

Like I mentioned - Alistair specifically notes even before Justinia reveals her true form (?) that she does indeed glow ("I don't recall the Divine glowing. In my experience that's something spirits do").

 

And since I always have a ton of saves, made especially during crucial moments in the story, I just checked :) I don't have mods installed so I can't see the whole party - they may as well not be animated much, since they're not in the frame. But if you have Alistair in your party, he will react to brightness as well, just not as vividly (not sure about Hawke, he/she is behind spirit!Justinia during that particular moment in the scene).


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Dammit, Illyria.  <_<

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It's very ambiguous for me, whether Solas is referring to spirit as in, "You're not a douche-canoe. People aren't entirely hopeless," or something that ties into all the theories that the Creators were as much spirit as elf.

I do like the possibility of the Inquisitor being altered by the Anchor, and Solas discreetly keeping an eye on it. 

It's all fan-fic fuel, I suppose. :D


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Beth is much happier as a CIrcle Mage.  She finds purpose there that she doesn't find in the Wardens.

 

I sometimes write Hawke sibling feels.

 

 

I would disagree that Carver finds happiness with the Templers.  I had a Templer!Carver once and took him with me during Legacy.  A lot of his banter with Anders implies he's frustrated with the Templers and would've joined the Wardens if he'd had the chance.  Anders even says he thinks Carver would've made a good Warden and has the right temperament for it.  Plus, I'm a huge fan of Merrill/Carver and actually find the pairing makes me uncomfortable with a Templer!Carver.

 

And nothing beats the epic calling out Warden Carver gives Hawke if she sides with the Templers in the endgame, about how he fought through half the city thinking he was going to save her from the Knight Commander only to find she joined Meredith willingly.

I didn't say he found happiness with the Templars though, I said he embraced the order :) and I've played through the DLCs with a rival Templar Carver, maybe it was different, but I remember dialogues where Carver said that the Templars stood for order and banters where Carver alluded that mage Hawke and mage co. were lucky they that Carver and Hawke were family. 

 

Edit: I have to go back and rewatch Carver scenes XD



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Like I mentioned - Alistair specifically notes even before Justinia reveals her true form (?) that she does indeed glow ("I don't recall the Divine glowing. In my experience that's something spirits do").

 

And since I always have a ton of saves, made especially during crucial moments in the story, I just checked :) I don't have mods installed so I can't see the whole party - they may as well not be animated much, since they're not in the frame. But if you have Alistair in your party, he will react to brightness as well, just not as vividly (not sure about Hawke, he/she is behind spirit!Justinia during that particular moment in the scene).

Now that is very interesting.

I believe people earlier were referring to Geek Remix's videos on the Inquisitor flinching. (I miss the days when she hung out in this thread. :(

She has another one about how the blood of the Great Dragon Calenhad drank seems to have passed on special properties down the Theirin line. There's some evidence suggesting that having Alistair as a child, combined with the magic of the Architect's amulets, allowed Fiona to escape the Taint. Dragons are resistant to the Taint, so I imagine that Great Dragons would be even more so.

So Alistair is a Templar, a Warden, and a Theirin. So it doesn't surprise me that he's more in-tune to weird **** happening like the Divine spirit glowing. My question is, what is Bioware building up to with it?

Of course, it could just be that someone forgot to animate poor Stroud.  :lol: All of his resources were focused on his mustache.


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If there is a Solas related DLC coming, it can't get here fast enough, dammit. I need closure. I need answers. I need to see that annoying frickin elf!


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It's very ambiguous for me, whether Solas is referring to spirit as in, "You're not a douche-canoe. People aren't entirely hopeless," or something that ties into all the theories that the Creators were as much spirit as elf.

I do like the possibility of the Inquisitor being altered by the Anchor, and Solas discreetly keeping an eye on it. 

It's all fan-fic fuel, I suppose. :D

 

Altered? Wouldn't be surprised if they were altered to some degree. But - like I've mentioned before - Solas himself makes a lot of allusions about Inquisitor (any Inquisitor, though we hear the most about it when we romance him with Lavellan) being 'speshul' to begin with.

 

Maybe they were kinda like 'diamonds in the rough' and the events in the Fade, the gaining of Anchor and everything that happens to them is supposed to test their mettle and make their true character shine. Dunno really at this point and I don't want to speculate TOO much about it.


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Now that is very interesting.

I believe people earlier were referring to Geek Remix's videos on the Inquisitor flinching. (I miss the days when she hung out in this thread. :(

She has another one about how the blood of the Great Dragon Calenhad drank seems to have passed on special properties down the Theirin line. There's some evidence suggesting that having Alistair as a child, combined with the magic of the Architect's amulets, allowed Fiona to escape the Taint. Dragons are resistant to the Taint, so I imagine that Great Dragons would be even more so.

So Alistair is a Templar, a Warden, and a Theirin. So it doesn't surprise me that he's more in-tune to weird **** happening like the Divine spirit glowing. My question is, what is Bioware building up to with it?

Of course, it could just be that someone forgot to animate poor Stroud.  :lol: All of his resources were focused on his mustache.

 

His mustache shielded him from brightness :D It absorbed the light and gained sentience!

 

Anyway - I also find it peculiar that if we sacrifice Alistair, Fiona disappears from Skyhold and before that she warns us that our choice may have severe consequences later :P


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Ah, found it.

 

Spoiler

 

Like I said, I'm not one to take apart every little thing to try and find grand meaning or foreshadowing in stuff, but I did think it was interesting that someone picked up on this such that they wondered if it meant something. Like most things that are debated, it probably doesn't, but finding out what sticks will be fun.


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in regards to all Inquisitor's being special in some way, I would be interested to hear what Cole says to each racial version of the Inquisitor. In particular I am interested in the lines he says after talking about how bright the Inquisitor is. For those of you who have played other races, are the lines different? Does anyone know if there is a video for that?



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But he looks at the Inquisitor no matter the romance status, so we need to keep that in mind. If he's looking for any particular reason, then it has to be something that every Inquisitor can experience, and not just a romanced Lavellan.

 

I still consider strongly that it was a dismissive "You know nothing, child of the stone!" sort of moment, but I suppose we'll see.

So true i don't know why i haven't even considered that.I never played anything else then elven inquisitor.Then my post means nothing at all or if it does i guess  we will pick apart in future dlc or game when we have more information :P



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I thought so too - but I replayed it recently just to confirm this is the case and what made me doubt it is the fact that Solas doesn't respond, looks at Inquisitor... and then goes right back to looking at Varric again. So... huh.
 
In any case, I think hints that there's something about Inquisitor (not just the Anchor) we don't know yet are scattered all around the game (though I don't buy that he/she is an abomination/possessed by something as some theorize).
I mean, Solas actually disapproves if Inquisitors claim that they don't consider themselves different from anybody else. Then there's whole "you're real and it means everyone else could be real"............. What the hell does it mean, Cole >_>? You make my head throb.


My read on it (assuming Quizzy isn't an abomination or something) is the whole argument about Cole is just challenging his ideas about change. He glances at Quizzy and back to Varric maybe because that's what he/she represents? Even in a non romanced sense. I think Solas and the Quizzy are implied to have some sort of connection (unless Quizzy just has awkward shared dreams with everyone :P). Whether as friends or a possible villian relationship..or just someone who challenges his view. I really don't think he expects to make friends with the Inquisition. Remember he's there to recover the orb, etc...

As for the "she's real" thing. I wonder if its just an inside joke? Cole and Solas break the 4th wall a lot in their banter. Or maybe Bull was right about him and spirits, and he doesn't have too many "real" friends? He's too obsessed with the fade? :P

He disapproves when the Quizzy says they are like anyone else because the Quizzy is unique. He warns the Quizzy about false humility and giving up your power carelessly later in the convo after the well.
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I didn't say he found happiness with the Templars though, I said he embraced the order :) and I've played through the DLCs with a rival Templar Carver, maybe it was different, but I remember dialogues where Carver said that the Templars stood for order and banters where Carver alluded that mage Hawke and mage co. were lucky they that Carver and Hawke were family. 

 

Edit: I have to go back and rewatch Carver scenes XD

 

I don't think I've ever managed to do Carver's friendship route.  Rival!Carver with purple!Hawke is just too much fun.

'Sister, no!'

'Sister, YES!'

(Carver Rivalry +1billion)

 

Dammit, Illyria.  <_<

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I don't think I've ever managed to do Carver's friendship route.  Rival!Carver with purple!Hawke is just too much fun.

'Sister, no!'

'Sister, YES!'

(Carver Rivalry +1billion)

 

 

:)

 

I totally agree with this sentiment, but that maybe because the rival path with Carter reminds me of my relationship with my own younger brother's so it is fun to go around game tweaking Carter's nose. It's like getting a one up on my own siblings. Plus I love purple Hawke's brand of snark.



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My read on it (assuming Quizzy isn't an abomination or something) is the whole argument about Cole is just challenging his ideas about change. He glances at Quizzy and back to Varric maybe because that's what he/she represents? Even in a non romanced sense. I think Solas and the Quizzy are implied to have some sort of connection (unless Quizzy just has awkward shared dreams with everyone :P). Whether as friends or a possible villian relationship..or just someone who challenges his view. I really don't think he expects to make friends with the Inquisition. Remember he's there to recover the orb, etc...

 

If the orb was indeed Fen'Harel's (theough there are some indication that it might have actually been Mythal's) then there's obviously a connection, especially now, considering that now Quizzy is the only thing left after its destruction. I think however that it's about something else. I mean, sure, Solas didn't expect to find anyone who he'd befriend or greatly respect OR challenge his view on Thedosians, but still that doesn't really fit the context of the scene and what they were discussion. They were talking about changing someone's very nature, not someone's views.

 

 

 

As for the "she's real" thing. I wonder if its just an inside joke? Cole and Solas break the 4th wall a lot in their banter. Or maybe Bull was right about him and spirits, and he doesn't have too many "real" friends? He's too obsessed with the fade? :P

 

I don't think it's the inside joke, considering that it's from the banter after Solas ended relationship with Lavellan.

 

Cole: (If the Inquisitor kept the vallaslin) Stop. You are perfect exactly as you are. But then you turned away. Why?
Solas: I had no choice.
Cole: She feels her face, marked, marred without malice. She didn't know. She thinks it's why you walked away.
 
(Or)
 
Cole: (If the Inquisitor had the vallaslin removed) Ar lasa mala revas. You are so beautiful. But then you turned away. Why?
Solas: I had no choice.
Cole: She is bare-faced, embarrassed, and she doesn't know. She thinks it's because of her.
Solas: You cannot heal this, Cole. Please, let it go.
 
(and if you pick:)
 
Inquisitor: Perhaps Cole can get a better answer from you than I did.
Cole: He hurts, an old pain from before, when everything sang the same.
Cole: You're real, and it means everyone could be real. It changes everything, but it can't.
Cole: They sleep, masked in a mirror, hiding, hurting, and to wake them... (gasps) Where did it go?
Solas: I apologize, Cole. That is not a pain you can heal.

 

Cole also has many dialogue lines when he says that "he's made himself real" and the like and I think he rather clearly means "real being, able to exist in real world".

 

 

He disapproves when the Quizzy says they are like anyone else because the Quizzy is unique. He warns the Quizzy about false humility and giving up your power carelessly later in the convo after the well. 

 

Yet in the balcony scene, at least with Trevelyan, when we respond "Thank you. I try." Solas commends their modesty. 

 

Besides - if you say "I don't think I'm different from anyone" he doesn't mention anything about modesty, he only says "Perhaps in the form of your body, no."

 

Like I said, seems that Solas refers to either the strength of unique qualities of Inquisitor's spirit (soul?). Though in what context exactly, it's hard to guess at this point.

 

I remember musing some time ago in one of the wilder speculation threads that maybe there was a time in Thedas' (pre-Thedas?) history that existed before races - or even gods - emerged, where everyone was beautiful, bright and wholesome, only for changes to the world either decimate them or maybe prevent them from being born/reborn (if we assume that the way sentient, physical beings are 'born' are through the process Cole is going through) or made them small/incomplete/petty. That COULD explain why Solas is so baffled with the existence of Inquisitor - the one soul that apparently slipped through to the world too murky and bleak for it to either exist or thrive. Yet it did, she/he is real, therefore others could be reborn too?


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in regards to all Inquisitor's being special in some way, I would be interested to hear what Cole says to each racial version of the Inquisitor. In particular I am interested in the lines he says after talking about how bright the Inquisitor is. For those of you who have played other races, are the lines different? Does anyone know if there is a video for that?

 

I think those texts vary also depending on Quizzy's class, so it may be a bot hard to track them all^^;



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I don't think I've ever managed to do Carver's friendship route.  Rival!Carver with purple!Hawke is just too much fun.

'Sister, no!'

'Sister, YES!'

(Carver Rivalry +1billion)

 

 

:)

Haha, I had a Warden friendship with him, but Templar Carver is definitely a rival. Their banter is fun to listen to, just like real siblings. For the record, I much prefer Warden Carver to Templar Carver, I just think Carver is more flexible between them than Bethany is between the Circle and the Grey Wardens. Humorous Hawke is my favorite! Even though she's kind of an arse to Carver during some of the Warden banters :D haha. 

 

Is it weird to admit that sometimes I'll listen to Dragon Age banters while doing dishes  ^_^ they are hilarious.



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Haha, I had a Warden friendship with him, but Templar Carver is definitely a rival. Their banter is fun to listen to, just like real siblings. For the record, I much prefer Warden Carver to Templar Carver, I just think Carver is more flexible between them than Bethany is between the Circle and the Grey Wardens. Humorous Hawke is my favorite! Even though she's kind of an arse to Carver during some of the Warden banters :D haha. 

 

Is it weird to admit that sometimes I'll listen to Dragon Age banters while doing dishes  ^_^ they are hilarious.

 

I'm rival!Warden Carver with purple!fHawke.  By the time I'm at the end of Act I his rivalry is already maxed.  Yet somehow Fenris is at near max friendship...


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Is it weird to admit that sometimes I'll listen to Dragon Age banters while doing dishes  ^_^ they are hilarious.

 

For me, it's folding laundry.  :P They always make me laugh too. It's not weird! Though, I do have to pause when my fiance walks in. He makes fun of me. Especially if it's a Solas part which it often is...somehow.  :whistle:


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oh yeah.. he is a damn stalker... look here:

 

Are we actively making Creeper Solas a thing? :P 

 


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Are we actively making Creeper Solas a thing? :P 

 

As long as you're not suggesting that he observes her - without her knowing about it - during sleep, like some creepy, sparkly vampire.... Though, uh! - with the whole "Dreamers being able to observe and enter someone else's dreams" in the Fade I'm not entirely sure that this isn't happening  :wacko:


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Beth is much happier as a CIrcle Mage.  She finds purpose there that she doesn't find in the Wardens.

 

I sometimes write Hawke sibling feels.

 

I intend to have her go to the Circle but I just entertained the idea for the sake of doing something different, though I probably won't.

 

 

 

I grew up with six siblings  :D I have plenty of stories if you need some inspiration!

My friend did used to offer me her brother all the time. :lol:



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*walks into a thread on DA4*

 

*walks out again*

 

That is far too much Solas hate for me to deal with right now.


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