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[jtav]

A non-fan has a question:

Solas stance on blood magic seems a bit contradictory. He seems to only hate the abuse of it when discussing elven magic but seems to hate it in principle when discussing the Wardens and Cole. Anything that might clarify his stance?

[MoonDrummer]

A non-fan has a question:

Solas stance on blood magic seems a bit contradictory. He seems to only hate the abuse of it when discussing elven magic but seems to hate it in principle when discussing the Wardens and Cole. Anything that might clarify his stance?

He hates when it becomes a crutch instead of a tool. So the wardens using it as some last desperate attempt to save the world really drives him up the wall. 

[Illyria]

A non-fan has a question:

Solas stance on blood magic seems a bit contradictory. He seems to only hate the abuse of it when discussing elven magic but seems to hate it in principle when discussing the Wardens and Cole. Anything that might clarify his stance?

 

 

He hates when it becomes a crutch instead of a tool. So the wardens using it as some last desperate attempt to save the world really drives him up the wall. 

 

^^^

 

This basically.

 

To add to that - he doesn't mind it as a school of magic but overuse of it can cut a mage off from the Fade and the ability to speak to Spirits, aka Solas' favourite place to be and his favourite people to hang out with.

 

@Keith^©Siha Did you see the icons Cee posted?  You might like a certain dwarf one.

[drosophila]

 

I'm prepared for more Solavellan hurt, though I just want something satisfying and for him to find a little peace. I think, with or without him, my Lavellan will survive, but I want her to have some answers too.

 

Same here, I want some closure for Lavellan. If there is an Anders'like choice, whether she or Solas live or die, whether she joins him, will depend for me on the particular choices and what's at stake. I wouldn't mind her leaving the Inquisition and being a rebel/villain by his side. Causing harm to my favorite other companions is probably where I would draw the line. I'd rather see Lavellan be heartbroken and Solas dead/defeated/antagonized than cause harm to Cole, Varric, Dorian, or Bull.

 

You know, given that I'm in the middle of another playthrough and have just completed the Mage recruitment time travel quest, I really don't think that Solas is going to destroy the Veil. Actually, I now think that maybe it was Solas who created the Veil in the first place.

 

I think, way back when, in the time that spirits floated about everywhere, the Ancient Elves abused the power of spirits during their internal wars, using them and twisting them to fight against each other. Solas the Spirit-lover couldn't stand this, along with the slavery and other horrible things. So he used his powers to create the Veil in the hopes of saving the Spirits from corruption and ending the power struggle between his people. Of course, this then has other, unforeseen knock on effects that end up screwing up his people.

 

I mean, his orb power seems to be specifically linked to the Veil, the ability to twist it, open and close it etc. Also the fact that he points out and approves of activating the Elven Veil measurey ball thingies. Plus, the future seen in Redcliff shows the effects of the Veil being torn open, and they're pretty horrible. I don't think Solas would be keen on seeing that come to pass. I really can't wait to find out what that baldy git is up to. 

 

It's been my theory of choice that Solas was the one who created the veil and a side effect was that the elvhen lost their immortality and diminished their strength -----> Elvhenan fell -------> Tevinter came and conquered what was left. I think he did it to protect the elvhen from the gods, who drew their power from the Fade and owned the regular elvhen as slaves. I'm maybe 70% sure in this.

 

If I speculate further, I think he used to be a slave himself but somehow found a way to break free and free others, hence his rebel persona. I'm maybe 30% sure in this.

[NightSymphony]

Whoa...there was a Liz party in here while I was sleeping.   I've missed her and her silly art.

[Sabriel.]

A non-fan has a question:Solas stance on blood magic seems a bit contradictory. He seems to only hate the abuse of it when discussing elven magic but seems to hate it in principle when discussing the Wardens and Cole. Anything that might clarify his stance?

My take on it was that he hates the binding of spirits involved in both those cases. Remember his "spirits are people, too!" rants. But just slicing open your hand to power a spell, that he sees no issue with. He only refrains from using it himself because it makes it harder to enter the Fade, somehow.

[Cee]

Ninja mask is suspicious....You've piqued my curiosity. Is Solas involved? Will you share it? 

 

No Solas, that was just my sleepiness talking. I had to write something ASAP that may be getting published in a major place. The Solavellan feels and my DAI/DA2 replays had to take another night off, but for good reason.
 

 

I can't stand it anymore! No DLC! No news! Nothing!
If we don't get some news on Monday, I will... I will...
... start another DAI playthrough.
/sobs

 

Will, I don't know....Fade kisses be involved?

[Cee]

Now that we know where this naughty smile is from, have another captaincaranis shot. It's helping me stay awake.

[NeverlandHunter]

He hates when it becomes a crutch instead of a tool. So the wardens using it as some last desperate attempt to save the world really drives him up the wall. 

I'd also add that the Wardens were killing their fellow brother's and sister's-at-arms for the sake of power. Blood magic is only a tool, as Merrill shows you in DA2 you can use it without hurting anyone (excluding perhaps yourself), it's how you use it that makes it evil, not the magic itself. 

..._{^{I was about to make a gun control analogy, but I don't want to start a fight (yet I feel the need to mention it regardless).}}

Plus, Solas doesn't like the Grey Wardens

 

Whoa...there was a Liz party in here while I was sleeping.   I've missed her and her silly art.

I think I battled her army...and survived.

[NeverlandHunter]

No Solas, that was just my sleepiness talking. I had to write something ASAP that may be getting published in a major place. The Solavellan feels and my DAI/DA2 replays had to take another night off, but for good reason.
 

 

 

Will, I don't know....Fade kisses be involved?

Woah, congratulations! I hope it all works out!

 

Yes, please, Cee!

[drosophila]

I had to write something ASAP that may be getting published in a major place. The Solavellan feels and my DAI/DA2 replays had to take another night off, but for good reason.

 

Way to go!

[Abelas Forever!]

A non-fan has a question:

Solas stance on blood magic seems a bit contradictory. He seems to only hate the abuse of it when discussing elven magic but seems to hate it in principle when discussing the Wardens and Cole. Anything that might clarify his stance?

I have come to a conclusion that there must be something else than that blood magic ritual which made Solas hate the wardens and I think the reason might be that wardens tried to kill all the old gods before they become archdemons and for some reason he don't want that to happen. What comes to Cole I think Solas don't like the idea of binding Cole because in that case Cole wouldn't be free and Solas values freedom.

[RoraM]

I've been wondering if part of the reason the next DLC will be available on the next-gen only is because the DLC might be very taxing for old-gen consoles to handle if they need to do something big, such as show us an extremely large battle taking place... especially if that battle does not take place on land?

I stalk the devs' Twitter feeds, and Mark Darrah, executive producer of DA:I, stated that not only do the majority of console players play on current gen consoles, old-gen consoles cannot reliably handle game "creature density".

[midnight tea]

*returns and reads last 5-6 pages*

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....Did someone spill a particularly potent drug on the thread? Or did we just pass through a really wacky area of the Fade? xD

 

 

It's been my theory of choice that Solas was the one who created the veil and a side effect was that the elvhen lost their immortality and diminished their strength -----> Elvhenan fell -------> Tevinter came and conquered what was left. I think he did it to protect the elvhen from the gods, who drew their power from the Fade and owned the regular elvhen as slaves. I'm maybe 70% sure in this.

 

If I speculate further, I think he used to be a slave himself but somehow found a way to break free and free others, hence his rebel persona. I'm maybe 30% sure in this.

 

I don't think it's Solas/Fen'Harel who created the Veil.

 

I think the Veil in the past might have been different - it may have even been switched on and off (the whole thing about Skyhold being a very important place, where Veil is very old and strong  and elves gathering for millenia to do "put the sky to rest" may indicate this) or it had a somewhat different nature; maybe one that didn't divide the world as much as it does today.

 

Also - Solas himself is astonished by both Inquisitor being physically in the Fade and himself being there after Adamant. He literally said "I've never thought I'd find myself here physically".

 

That rather strongly indicates that he can't be older than the Veil - he might have done something to change the nature of the Veil, maybe, but I don't think he's behind creating it.

 

 

I think, way back when, in the time that spirits floated about everywhere, the Ancient Elves abused the power of spirits during their internal wars, using them and twisting them to fight against each other. Solas the Spirit-lover couldn't stand this, along with the slavery and other horrible things. So he used his powers to create the Veil in the hopes of saving the Spirits from corruption and ending the power struggle between his people. Of course, this then has other, unforeseen knock on effects that end up screwing up his people.

 

IMO? I'm not really sure what's happening to the world of Thedas, but I'd say that something - and I'm not really buying that it's Solas' actions or creation of the Veil - is making magic disappear from it.

 

Morrigan is making it rather clear in temple Of Mythal - she says that if things don't' change their course, magic and all its wondrous creatures will disappear, making those left behind all the lesser. And we all know WHO taught her that or instilled in her an urge to preserve forgotten magic and its secrets.

 

And since elven immortality is linked by Solas with very elaborate, powerful magic that echoed and resonated with one another, I'd say that the reason they lost their immortality is - a.) they forgot the way to do it (perhaps Solas was roaming the Fade to collect all the information and fed it all to the Orb?) b.) magic is diminishing, therefore not just immortality, but perhaps existence of all magical races is endangered in the long run.

 

I mean, his orb power seems to be specifically linked to the Veil, the ability to twist it, open and close it etc.

 

Nope, the ability to twist, open and close it appears to be specifically linked to the Anchor - and Solas seems to be genuinely baffled by it and has little idea of what it actually is.

 

That of course brings a question of how come Corypheus - a being who seem to only be able to partially tap and forcefully manipulate the portion of Orb's power, probably not even fully aware what it is - could create something like it, but he indeed did, and now Inquisitor has this power.

 

Also the fact that he points out and approves of activating the Elven Veil measurey ball thingies. Plus, the future seen in Redcliff shows the effects of the Veil being torn open, and they're pretty horrible. I don't think Solas would be keen on seeing that come to pass. I really can't wait to find out what that baldy git is up to. 

 

It's possible that what we saw in Redcliffe wasn't just the effect of Veil being shattered, but HOW it was shattered (plus, Red Lyrium/Blight might have effect on it as well).

 

The violent way the Veil was torn by actions of Corypheus might have had a disastrous effect, just like the violent destruction of the overflowing dam would have on everything in the way of the cataclysmic wave.

 

As for Elven Veil devices - Solas in general seems to be very sensitive to both changes in the Veil as well as many types of magic, so that's not really a surprise that he senses them. Mihris points the initial device as well after all... What I would find both funny and terrifying would be if we activated all those devices in good faith, only for them to weaken the Veil, instead of strengthening it 

 

.... I don't think it will happen though, just like I don't buy that Solas will just "tear the Veil open and release the gods". If it was so simple, he'd be helping Corypheus all the way through, plus the future in Redcliffe would be what it was - nor Solas (if we take him with us and find him in prison) would mention that going back in time would mean that it 'wouldn't be too late' to 'save them' (and I think by THEM he means... well, whoever he's trying to save).

[midnight tea]

I stalk the devs' Twitter feeds, and Mark Darrah, executive producer of DA:I, stated that not only do the majority of console players play on current gen consoles, old-gen consoles cannot reliably handle game "creature density".

 

Yup, it seems to suggest that whatever they're doing, it will be a bit too much for old-gen devices... although to what extent, we're yet to see.

[Illyria]

*returns and reads last 5-6 pages*

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....Did someone spill a particularly potent drug on the thread? Or did we just pass through a really wacky area of the Fade? xD

 

Were you not around for this in the past?

[midnight tea]

Were you not around for this in the past?

 

 

Not yet, it seems

[nikki-tikki]

*returns and reads last 5-6 pages*

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....Did someone spill a particularly potent drug on the thread? Or did we just pass through a really wacky area of the Fade? xD

 

 

 

Thread started to die a little bit. Was time to spice it up.

[Ex-Paladin]

Now that we know where this naughty smile is from, have another captaincaranis shot. It's helping me stay awake.

Where is this gorgeous smile from?!

 

This is what happens when I don't lurk every waking moment of my life XD

[Illyria]

Where is this gorgeous smile from?!

 

This is what happens when I don't lurk every waking moment of my life XD

 

From captaincaranis - the goddess of screencaps.

[drosophila]

 

I don't think it's Solas/Fen'Harel who created the Veil.

 

I think the Veil in the past might have been different - it may have even been switched on and off (the whole thing about Skyhold being a very important place, where Veil is very old and strong  and elves gathering for millenia to do "put the sky to rest" may indicate this) or it had a somewhat different nature; maybe one that didn't divide the world as much as it does today.

 

Also - Solas himself is astonished by both Inquisitor being physically in the Fade and himself being there after Adamant. He literally said "I've never thought I'd find myself here physically".

 

That rather strongly indicates that he can't be older than the Veil - he might have done something to change the nature of the Veil, maybe, but I don't think he's behind creating it.

 

 

He could be astonished that a physical body can cross through the Veil and survive in the Fade, separated from the physical world. Note he is not nearly as amazed by the opposite, when spirits cross through the rifts to enter the physical world. So it's not the simple crossing of the veil or the mixing of Fade with the physical world that he finds surprising. 

 

Whether he created it or switched on or strengthened it would make no difference to me, the bottom line is he did something to separate (or strengthen the separation) between the physcial and the world of spirits. 

 

 

Nope, the ability to twist, open and close it appears to be specifically linked to the Anchor - and Solas seems to be genuinely baffled by it and has little idea of what it actually is.

 

 

I think, quite the opposite, he knows more about the Anchor than he shows. He's the one who first showed the Inquisitor how to seal a rift, he's also the one who prevented the mark from killing them. I think the only thing that baffles him is that a mere mortal could handle the power of the Anchor, and he is not sure what effect the Anchor would exert on a mortal body.

[drosophila]

*returns and reads last 5-6 pages*

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....Did someone spill a particularly potent drug on the thread? Or did we just pass through a really wacky area of the Fade? xD

 

Come on guys, spill it out, who's smuggling red lyrium in the thread?

[NeverlandHunter]

Sooo, I've been spending a lot of time on the Solas thread lately and it (you guys) have made me wonder a few things...

 

Is your favorite Dragon Age character Solas? Or better yet, answer these questions!

1. Who are your favorite Dragon Age, non-romancable companion characters?

Spoiler

Sten

Shale*

Wynne

Dog

Oghren

Sigrun

Nathaniel

Velanna

Justice

Anders, pre-Justice

Aveline*

Varric*

Cole*

Vivienne

*My favorites, but I love them all!

2. Who is your favorite Dragon Age romancable character?

Spoiler

Alistair

Zevran *

Leliana

Morrigan

Anders

Fenris

Merrill

Bethany

Carver*

Isabela

Sebastian

Cassandra

The Iron Bull

Blackwall

Sera

Dorain

Solas

Cullen

Josephine

*I looovvveee the Solas romance, but Zevran is still my favorite! Alistair, Anders, and Solas, you can be all noble and self-sacrificing for the greater good, but Zevran would give it all up for the one he loves and even storm the Black City to be by his Warden's side! You could take a few pointers Solas   ...also, I have an elf problem.

3. Who is your favorite Dragon Age non-playable character?

Spoiler

Too many to list, I'd probably offend some people by leaving a few characters out.

Anora, because I like controversy and Sandal and Bodahn.

4. Do you have a favorite Dragon Age character?

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Also, these random non-Solas/vaguely Solas related questions have been bouncing around my head for quite a time, care to share you ideas/answers?

 

1. How the flying flamingo did Morrigan manage to move a HUGE FRICKING BREAKABLE MIRROR in and out of Skyhold without being spotted (I assume she wasn't spotted since the Inquisitor is surprised to see the Eluvian gracing her fort'r presense)?

 

2. I have a hard time believing Solas never came across Kieran at Skyhold (if he exists and has the Old God soul in him). Would he have known what Kieran was harboring, or how it came to be?

 

3. If your world state has a non Cousland or Anora married King Alistair is he married? Because if not he owes some non noble Wardens some apologies. 

 

4. So, BioWare created all these new creatures for Dragon Age that we meet as we're wondering across Thedas, but we never run into ghasts? Are we forgetting those ever happened or are they just that uncommon (didn't seem very uncommon to Hawke)?

 

5. Did Bodhan and Sandal die in Kirkwall? I was really expecting to them at the Winter Palace, but no, they weren't there and there was no word of them either. You think Sandal would cause some court gossip...

 

6. A few pages back I mentioned it being strange that Lavellan didn't refer to the Fade as the Beyond, and that she never let out any elven curses, but what else is strange is that if you aren't role-playing a Lavellan clan that interacted and traded with humans (like I am) your Lavellan is very accepting of shemlen's and their culture. I mean, just look at how Merrill acted (although Merrill was a special little Daisy), even your Mahariel can be awkward or anti-shemlen. So, how did you guys work around this character hiccup?

 

7. If Anders or an abomination similar to Anders impregnated someone/got pregnant would the child be different?

 

8. Was a Kieran that was fathered by a dwarf able to be created because of magic? If not why isn't there any other mention of dwarf and human children?

 

9. WHERE ARE ALL THE CHILDREN?? Seriously, they already had a character model for Kieran, why not dump some of those crotch dumplings into the world of Thedas? I think children, and animals, add a lot of emotional depth to stories and there was a lot of potential for Connor and Emilia(?) like tough story decisions.

 

10. We've had one companion journey over to the next game in each installment of Dragon Age (Origins-Awakening: Oghren Awkening-DA2: AndersxJustice DA2-Inquisition: Varric). Saying that they continue this tradition, who's most likely/who do you want to be a companion in DA4? Note: I said companion I think Solas will be in the next game, but not as a companion.

 

Share your lovely thoughts my friends! I am bored and am ready and eager for facts, opinions, and theories from all you. Yes, even you viewer who reads this thread, but never posts! 

[NeverlandHunter]

Come on guys, spill it out, who's smuggling red lyrium in the thread?

*hides something behind back* Not me!!

[Sabriel.]

6. A few pages back I mentioned it being strange that Lavellan didn't refer to the Fade as the Beyond, and that she never let out any elven curses, but what else is strange is that if you aren't role-playing a Lavellan clan that interacted and traded with humans (like I am) your Lavellan is very accepting of shemlen's and their culture. I mean, just look at how Merrill acted (although Merrill was a special little Daisy), even your Mahariel can be awkward or anti-shemlen. So, how did you guys work around this character hiccup?

I assume since they originally were writing for a human-only protagonist. Hence Lavellan asking Morrigan who Mythal is and other headscratchers.

I love the elf-specific lines we do get, though (Edit: or can interpret as such easily). Even ones that don't have the Elf Icon on the wheel. Mine can ask Varric if he's with the Chantry because she legitimately doesn't know their stance on dwarves. Learn about/debate the Chant of Light, Exalted March on the Dales etc. with Mother Giselle. Ask Cullen about Templars since the Keeper told her to stay away from them. There's more, that's just off the top of my head. But I think it's pretty well balanced, for the most part.

Edit: But as to why Lavellan doesn't call it the Beyond specifically, probably for no other reason than not having to re-record every single mention of it. The Fade is mentioned a LOT.