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[CapricornSun]

 

Which God did your Lavellan pick for her vallaslin and why?

 

For my Lavellan, it was Mythal's. The simplest design version, *points to user pic* Mostly because, well, it's the simplest to draw if ever I wanted to draw fanart of her. (This was before we knew which Elvhen god each vallaslin represented.) After getting the vallaslin chart, I think it suits her well. She's a hunter and during the character class selection screen it mentions that the hunters were relied upon by the clan for protection, and she is very protective of her loved ones, which kind of suits the whole 'Protector' bit.

 

Plus, I RP my Lavellan as not so devout so having a simple vallaslin instead of the more elaborate one represented that.

 

As for the reasons for her vallaslin removal: Her loss of faith in the elven gods. And I don't remember if the encounter with Flemythal happens before or after she removed her vallaslin, but let's just say that my Lavellan was horrified (and a bit irked) to find out that the elven goddess whose symbols she chose to emblazon her face with has been around the block this whole time and did nothing to help her people but was instead busy with her little revenge plot. 

 

 

Also - why do I have a feeling that at some point Ghilan'nan will be important?

 

I also have that feeling too. (If we're gonna finally see the rest of the elven gods, I want to see how beautiful Ghilan'nain looks. I'm shallow. )

[nikki-tikki]

I think I battled her army...and survived.

 

Whatever lets you sleep at night. 

 

Mine didn't either. I liked that option better tbh. I doubt my Lavellan would throw away all connection to her clan. Especially since Josie's option killed them XD.

 

Are we really talking about Lavellans and their Vallaslins ^again? 

 

I would have rathered had no Vallaslin but that wouldn't be cannonically possible. So my Lavellan has Sylaise's Vallaslin but its super light. Cause my Lavellan hates all things Dalish. 

 

 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[NeverlandHunter]

 

Whatever lets you sleep at night. 

 

 

Are we really talking about Lavellans and their Vallaslins ^again? 

 

I would have rathered had no Vallaslin but that wouldn't be cannonically possible. So my Lavellan has Sylaise's Vallaslin but its super light. Cause my Lavellan hates all things Dalish. 

 

 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'M A SURVIVOR!!

 

Haha, it's been eight months, all we can do is repeat, re-observe, and rehash old topics!

 

And I've never gone into my own in-depth discussion about the Vallaslin O_O I want to share my opinion. I'm not yet ready to write though!

...have to wait until my sister gets off the computer... too much to type for a crappy mobile phone.

[Sifr]

Also - why do I have a feeling that at some point Ghilan'nan will be important?

 

Unless the statues of so many Halla are simply to evoke Dalishness, it could point to her being important somehow.

 

Although Andruil seems to be getting built up in the lore, given her contentious history with the other members of the Pantheon, especially Fen'Harel and Mythal, as well as her sojourns into the Void and the terrible doomsday weapons she forged with the knowledge she gained there.

[CapricornSun]

Art time!

 

Some cute happy Solavellan family AU.

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Source: http://kimikoyukiart...happy-family-au

 

 

Embrium, Dawn Lotus, and Arbor Blessing for Lavellan.

Royal elfroot, Black Lotus, and the fruit of the Prophet's Laurel for Solas.

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Source: http://fooshfoosh.tu...lessing-for-the

 

 

Solas looking on.

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Source: http://metalghoulsol...e-character-and

 

 

Solas reading.

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Source: http://squishylishar...ot-the-freckles

 

 

Solas as a military officer.

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Source: http://11xarcsin.tum...un-to-draw-idea

 

 

Another boyband drawing challenge. xD From this pic.

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Source: http://thecopperkidd...squad-like-this

 

 

Dream Team.

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Source: http://noandershatea...g-grandpa-lying

 

[NeverlandHunter]

Unless the statues of so many Halla are simply to evoke Dalishness, it could point to her being important somehow.

 

Although Andruil seems to be getting built up in the lore, given her contentious history with the other members of the Pantheon, especially Fen'Harel and Mythal, as well as her sojourns into the Void and the terrible doomsday weapons she forged with the knowledge she gained there.

I agree about Andruil, but out of likes! Of course they might just be building up all the members, but Andruil does seem to be center-stage!

[midnight tea]

Unless the statues of so many Halla are simply to evoke Dalishness, it could point to her being important somehow.

 

Although Andruil seems to be getting built up in the lore, given her contentious history with the other members of the Pantheon, especially Fen'Harel and Mythal, as well as her sojourns into the Void and the terrible doomsday weapons she forged with the knowledge she gained there.

 

Agreed about Andruil, but considering that Ghilan'nan was her chosen lover?/partner?... well she was connected with Andruil anyway, it's possible we may see both play an important role.

 

What's unusual about Ghilan'nan is that she is supposed to be the youngest of gods - one who ascended to it. I wonder if that will play any role? I mean, that's the reason why Ameridan worshiped her together with Andraste - he thought that both of them reached apotheosis in some sort of similar fashion.

[drosophila]

 

Are we really talking about Lavellans and their Vallaslins ^again? 

 

I would have rathered had no Vallaslin but that wouldn't be cannonically possible. So my Lavellan has Sylaise's Vallaslin but its super light. Cause my Lavellan hates all things Dalish. 

 

 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Apologies, I wasn't there when it was discussed last time, I was just curious...

[Sifr]

Art time!

 

Some cute happy Solavellan family AU.

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Source: http://kimikoyukiart...happy-family-au

 

 

Cutest. Wolf Cubs. Ever.

 

 

Another boyband drawing challenge. xD From this pic.

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Source: http://thecopperkidd...squad-like-this

 

 

Poor Cole and Solas, they're clearing thinking that it's suppose to be about the music, not the tail!

 

[NeverlandHunter]

Art time!

 

Some cute happy Solavellan family AU.

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Source: http://kimikoyukiart...happy-family-au

 

 

Another boyband drawing challenge. xD From this pic.

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Source: http://thecopperkidd...squad-like-this

 

Out of likes!! 

Ohmygoodness Solas and Lavellan's family!!! SOOO ADORABLE PLEASE LET IT HAPPEN!

XD Cullen...ahahahaha...and Solas definitely looks like the artistic loner of the group, he'll be the first to leave!

 

By the way I used your set up for a Cole art drop in his thread earlier today, and wow is it tedious getting all the tags typed down, links set up, descriptions put forth, yada yada. So extra props for doing it all the time here!!

[MayriyaNoori]

This is why I think Ghilan'nain is a big player in what happened to Arlathan and all that jazz.

 

This elven writing found in the Arbor Wilds is so old there seems to be no way to learn what it means.

There are whispers from the Well of Sorrows. It's impossible to understand the entire text, but certain parts suddenly reveal a shadow of their original meaning.

"His crime is high treason. He took on a form reserved for the gods and their chosen, and dared to fly in the shape of the divine. The sinner belongs to Dirthamen; he claims he took wings at the urging of Ghilan'nain, and begs protection from Mythal. She does not show him favor, and will let Elgar'nan judge him."

For one moment there is an image of a shifting, shadowy mass with blazing eyes, whose form may be one or many. Then it fades.

 

Ghilan'nain is that one who convinced and possibly taught the sinner to commit this act of high treason. If the claim is true I imagine Dirthamen was probably livid that she would do this to one of what I interpret to be a possible slave. She also probably pissed off Mythal and Elgar'nan pretty good as well since they were the sort of leaders of the bunch and they would go all super disappointed parents on her, only I imagine it's not pretty when the disappointed parents are ancient super powerful beings.

 

So yeah, I think she had a decent part of the start of something back in the day. And the theory gets all the more interesting if you consider the possibility that Solas was the sinner. You know, that betrayal he alludes to in conversation?

 

Plus, the whole act would be pretty rebellious if you ask me. A slave turns into the form reserved for the divine.

 

Pretty big move there.

[nikki-tikki]

Apologies, I wasn't there when it was discussed last time, I was just curious...

 

Oh don't be sorry. it's come up a bunch of times already. 

[midnight tea]

This is why I think Ghilan'nain is a big player in what happened to Arlathan and all that jazz.

 

This elven writing found in the Arbor Wilds is so old there seems to be no way to learn what it means.

There are whispers from the Well of Sorrows. It's impossible to understand the entire text, but certain parts suddenly reveal a shadow of their original meaning.

"His crime is high treason. He took on a form reserved for the gods and their chosen, and dared to fly in the shape of the divine. The sinner belongs to Dirthamen; he claims he took wings at the urging of Ghilan'nain, and begs protection from Mythal. She does not show him favor, and will let Elgar'nan judge him."

For one moment there is an image of a shifting, shadowy mass with blazing eyes, whose form may be one or many. Then it fades.

 

Ghilan'nain is that one who convinced and possibly taught the sinner to commit this act of high treason. If the claim is true I imagine Dirthamen was probably livid that she would do this to one of what I interpret to be a possible slave. She also probably pissed off Mythal and Elgar'nan pretty good as well since they were the sort of leaders of the bunch and they would go all super disappointed parents on her, only I imagine it's not pretty when the disappointed parents are ancient super powerful beings.

 

So yeah, I think she had a decent part of the start of something back in the day. And the theory gets all the more interesting if you consider the possibility that Solas was the sinner. You know, that betrayal he alludes to in conversation?

 

Plus, the whole act would be pretty rebellious if you ask me. A slave turns into the form reserved for the divine.

 

Pretty big move there.

 

I've seen that theory and I find that unlikely - what I think it is is some sort of straw that broke camel's back or something done as link in the chain of a very elaborate plan (to get Mythal??), but the act of changing into (a dragon, possibly) might have been something of high treason, but it's too small of a transgression and "betrayal" I think.

 

Plus, Fen'Harel WAS recognized as god - or at least recognized as god and friend to Mythal. His statues AND his mosaics are in her temple.

[CapricornSun]

Out of likes!! 

Ohmygoodness Solas and Lavellan's family!!! SOOO ADORABLE PLEASE LET IT HAPPEN!

XD Cullen...ahahahaha...and Solas definitely looks like the artistic loner of the group, he'll be the first to leave!

 

By the way I used your set up for a Cole art drop in his thread earlier today, and wow is it tedious getting all the tags typed down, links set up, descriptions put forth, yada yada. So extra props for doing it all the time here!!

 

I adore that little family comic. I doubt it'll happen but hey, that's what AUs are for.

 

Hehe, thanks! Yeah it does takes some time but I'm pretty much used to it by now. xD (Except for the times when pressing backspace goes back a page, or when my mouse has a mind of it's own and goes to the top right of the screen on the little 'x' button and I accidentally close the browser and the autosave didn't work, in which case I have to set it up all over again...  )

[MayriyaNoori]

I've seen that theory and I find that unlikely - what I think it is is some sort of straw that broke camel's back or something done as link in the chain of a very elaborate plan (to get Mythal??), but the act of changing into (a dragon, possibly) might have been something of high treason, but it's too small of a transgression and "betrayal" I think.

 

Plus, Fen'Harel WAS recognized as god - or at least recognized as god and friend to Mythal. His statues AND his mosaics are in her temple.

Yeah, that's why I think that for this kind of theory to work this event would have had to take place a long time before the fall of Arlathan and all that. Then it works a bit better because if Fen'Harel's life started off being some kind of slave because that would explain Mythal not showing any kind of favor. They could have become friends later. And the passage doesn't say what Elgar'nan's judgement was...and it is possible that Elgar'nan was fair with him. Elgar'nan was known for vengeance, not just running around being a jerk. In fact, one could argue that Elgar'nan may have actually been a decent guy because he clearly loved the world a lot.....he just had a bit of a short fuse when it was nearly destroyed. That whole event happened when Elgar'nan was young and new to the world, and also without Mythal to calm him. So, I find it very possible that Elgar'nan could have given a fair judgement after this incident.

 

And the Judgement could have been something like "Well, you seem to be one of us now and your abilities as a Dreamer and all that would make you a good person we send to go talk to those other guys." *Elgar'nan shifty eyes towards the Forgotten Ones*

 

I can totally see Fen'Harel growing up as he said having dreams and using his mage abilities to explore the Fade and all that...then Dirthamen grabbing this kind of mage(especially if Fen'Harel was extremely gifted in this regard) because think of all the information and secrets and all that Dirthy stuff he could get with this. Then you have some kind of lead up to this whole sinner event and bam, the rebel god is born, Fen'Harel with his judgement from Elgar'nan being some kind of go between individual in dealing with the Forgotten Ones. And if this happened waaaay back in the day that leaves plenty of time for Fen'harel to make friends like Mythal and for statues and mosaics to be built for him. It also starts to make a bit more sense as to why Fen'Harel is never pictured as an elf. The other members of the pantheon probably had to go forward with a bit of a massive PR campaign in order to hide the fact that a slave rose to this kind of power. So, instead of depicting him as an elf, something that the lower members of society can identify with, they put up this image of a wolf everywhere.

 

I think for this to all work it would also have to mean that Ghilan'nain had not ascended yet and she was still just a favorite of Andruil....which probably gave her protection from being totally smited after the sinner incident. Then much farther down the line in history Ghilan'nain's little rise up happens.

 

I'm not saying I'm totally on the Solas is the sinner boat, but I can see it working if certain information comes to light. And it makes for some awesome drama.

[BoscoBread]

Apologies, I wasn't there when it was discussed last time, I was just curious...

Discussing is fun. The problem with this topic though is that it often has veered off into "right and wrong". Which is just..the un-fun.  Also it's the un-uh...not how the game was. There was no right or wrong. Every Inquisitor is different.  Solas likes you either way. And frankly - if he didn't - um..."Eff him." Seriously, is that the kind of guy that anyone should want to stay with? "OH no! If only I had taken them off/kept them on HE WOULD HAVE STAYED. LOVED ME MORE." *claws at face because I'm CUUUHHHH-RAZZZY*. 

 

Sorry this is not directed at you specifically but like...8 months of waspish back and forth over this is making ME crazy. 

[drosophila]

Yeah, that's why I think that for this kind of theory to work this event would have had to take place a long time before the fall of Arlathan and all that. Then it works a bit better because if Fen'Harel's life started off being some kind of slave because that would explain Mythal not showing any kind of favor. They could have become friends later. And the passage doesn't say what Elgar'nan's judgement was...and it is possible that Elgar'nan was fair with him. Elgar'nan was known for vengeance, not just running around being a jerk. In fact, one could argue that Elgar'nan may have actually been a decent guy because he clearly loved the world a lot.....he just had a bit of a short fuse when it was nearly destroyed. That whole event happened when Elgar'nan was young and new to the world, and also without Mythal to calm him. So, I find it very possible that Elgar'nan could have given a fair judgement after this incident.

 

And the Judgement could have been something like "Well, you seem to be one of us now and your abilities as a Dreamer and all that would make you a good person we send to go talk to those other guys." *Elgar'nan shifty eyes towards the Forgotten Ones*

 

I can totally see Fen'Harel growing up as he said having dreams and using his mage abilities to explore the Fade and all that...then Dirthamen grabbing this kind of mage(especially if Fen'Harel was extremely gifted in this regard) because think of all the information and secrets and all that Dirthy stuff he could get with this. Then you have some kind of lead up to this whole sinner event and bam, the rebel god is born, Fen'Harel with his judgement from Elgar'nan being some kind of go between individual in dealing with the Forgotten Ones. And if this happened waaaay back in the day that leaves plenty of time for Fen'harel to make friends like Mythal and for statues and mosaics to be built for him. It also starts to make a bit more sense as to why Fen'Harel is never pictured as an elf. The other members of the pantheon probably had to go forward with a bit of a massive PR campaign in order to hide the fact that a slave rose to this kind of power. So, instead of depicting him as an elf, something that the lower members of society can identify with, they put up this image of a wolf everywhere.

 

I think for this to all work it would also have to mean that Ghilan'nain had not ascended yet and she was still just a favorite of Andruil....which probably gave her protection from being totally smited after the sinner incident. Then much farther down the line in history Ghilan'nain's little rise up happens.

 

I'm not saying I'm totally on the Solas is the sinner boat, but I can see it working if certain information comes to light. And it makes for some awesome drama.

 

This fits my headcanon extremely well.

[nikki-tikki]

Discussing is fun. The problem with this topic though is that it often has veered off into "right and wrong". Which is just..the un-fun.  Also it's the un-uh...not how the game was. There was no right or wrong. Every Inquisitor is different.  Solas likes you either way. And frankly - if he didn't - um..."Eff him." Seriously, is that the kind of guy that anyone should want to stay with? "OH no! If only I had taken them off/kept them on HE WOULD HAVE STAYED. LOVED ME MORE." *claws at face because I'm CUUUHHHH-RAZZZY*. 

 

Sorry this is not directed at you specifically but like...8 months of waspish back and forth over this is making ME crazy. 

 

And that's why I just don't...

 

 

Tyrant Lavellan does do that punch in the face at one point...^{sorrynotsorry}

[midnight tea]

Discussing is fun. The problem with this topic though is that it often has veered off into "right and wrong". Which is just..the un-fun.  Also it's the un-uh...not how the game was. There was no right or wrong. Every Inquisitor is different.  Solas likes you either way. And frankly - if he didn't - um..."Eff him." Seriously, is that the kind of guy that anyone should want to stay with? "OH no! If only I had taken them off/kept them on HE WOULD HAVE STAYED. LOVED ME MORE." *claws at face because I'm CUUUHHHH-RAZZZY*. 

 

To be FAIR.... this is pretty much what Cole suggests in post-breakup banter - well, maybe without the cuuuuhhh-razzzy part

 

The indication is however that Lavellan thinks it's her fault somehow. Which is messed up, but that's how it is, usually - we girls tend to be easily convinced that it's all our fault, and if the guy doesn't give any reason (other than thinly-veiled "It's not you, it's me" cliche routine >.>) it's not that hard to imagine that Lavellan does as well.

[BoscoBread]

To be FAIR.... this is pretty much what Cole suggests in post-breakup banter - well, maybe without the cuuuuhhh-razzzy part

 

The indication is however that Lavellan thinks it's her fault somehow. Which is messed up, but that's how it is, usually - we girls ten to be easily convinced that it's all our fault, and if the guy doesn't give any reason (other than thinly-veiled "It's not you, it's me" cliche routine >.>) it's not that hard to imagine that Lavellan does as well.

HI! I'm a girl.  Also I won't even go into the 100 reasons this is a problematic statement. Just going say - not how I played my Lavellan.

 

This is why I have the problem with this topic. I'm totally fine YOU headcanoning this way.  You played your lavellan this way. I did not.  I really didn't. And "WE GIRLS" tend to act differently and think differently and in turn imbued their characters with different traits and personalities. 

[drosophila]

Discussing is fun. The problem with this topic though is that it often has veered off into "right and wrong". Which is just..the un-fun.  Also it's the un-uh...not how the game was. There was no right or wrong. Every Inquisitor is different.  Solas likes you either way. And frankly - if he didn't - um..."Eff him." Seriously, is that the kind of guy that anyone should want to stay with? "OH no! If only I had taken them off/kept them on HE WOULD HAVE STAYED. LOVED ME MORE." *claws at face because I'm CUUUHHHH-RAZZZY*. 

 

Sorry this is not directed at you specifically but like...8 months of waspish back and forth over this is making ME crazy. 

 

I see. Well, for what it's worth, I really enjoyed reading the different reasons why and how it relates to each Lavellan's backstory. (I actually made a spreadsheet with a pie chart categorizing everyone's vallaslin choices ) I don't view it as a "right and wrong" type of topic and I'm surprised it's been interpreted that way in the past. 

 

I don't take any of this personally. I'm sorry if I caused any harm.

[MayriyaNoori]

This fits my headcanon extremely well.

You and me both then. It's why I like this theory and find myself thinking about it and wondering "How awesome if that were true."

 

Another wild twist that sort of theory could have....is if Elgar'nan was SUPER pissed at the sinner and ordered him to be made tranquil. Then it goes the whole route of Fen'Harel made tranquil, but because spirits loved him so much they bring him out of tranquility and now you have angry Fen'Harel who is ascended because of sinner incident.

 

And the whole pantheon be like

 

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While Mythal be like

 

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[DarthEmpress]

Let's talk about how cute Solas and Lavellan were in the Fade right before Lav surprised him with a kiss.  They both were staring kind of starry-eyed at each other...

 

 

Lookit his face:

 

 

He is giving her The Look!  I have no idea how the animators were able to capture The Look so well, but it frightens me and I approve.

[drosophila]

You and me both then. It's why I like this theory and find myself thinking about it and wondering "How awesome if that were true."

 

Another wild twist that sort of theory could have....is if Elgar'nan was SUPER pissed at the sinner and ordered him to be made tranquil. Then it goes the whole route of Fen'Harel made tranquil, but because spirits loved him so much they bring him out of tranquility and now you have angry Fen'Harel who is ascended because of sinner incident.

 

And the whole pantheon be like

 

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While Mythal be like

 

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That would be so much drama - I love it! Do we know if they did make Tranquil in ancient Elvhenan? 

 

In my head he escapes, frees a bunch of other elvhen slaves, rebellion ensues in which the other gods divide for or against his movement. Then they war on each other for a millenium or two.

[midnight tea]

HI! I'm a girl.  Also I won't even go into the 100 reasons this is a problematic statement. Just going say - not how I played my Lavellan.

 

This is why I have the problem with this topic. I'm totally fine YOU headcanoning this way.  You played your lavellan this way. I did not.  I really didn't. And "WE GIRLS" tend to act differently and think differently and in turn imbued their characters with different traits and personalities. 

 

It's not about how you or I play our Lavellans - the implication is there already in the game, made by a being that can pretty much enter character's head and read their emotions. There's really no other way of interpreting words "she thinks it's because of her" or "she thinks it's why you turned away".

 

Either way, whether Lavellan was male or female, it's not that hard to imagine them asking themselves a question of "is there something I've done?".

 

Also - the fact that female generally tend to field guilty is actually a thing confirmed through psychological research and numerous studies. That's not to say that we're all the same, but we ARE indeed easier to guilt-trip in general, even if the fact itself stems predominantly from how women are raised, hence why I said it's not that hard to imagine that Lavellan may herself feel guilty (which the game heavily implies).