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[Renmiri1]

Also talking about killing, if Solas turns evil I'll add this song to my solavellan playlist

 

[The Oracle]

...."Messing with people's heads since antiquity" xD

I share that quirk though - bringing facts like that and watching people react is always interesting.

 

Well, given that The Sun (British junk tabloid newspaper) has posted a "story" of the British Queen doing a Nazi salute as a child, (incidentally it was taken before WW2 had begun). Supposedly this is news in Britain. I can't wait to see the article about all those racist Hindu folk, making artwork and textiles with those horrible Swastika images on them centuries before the Nazis. *ends sarcasm*

 

No doubt if I looked into my families history back far enough, I'd find I'm the product of murderers, thieves, slave owners etc. Did you know that nearly all Europeans alive today can directly link their bloodline back to Charlemange? Then again, that bloke got about a bit with the women.

[midnight tea]

Well, given that The Sun (British junk tabloid newspaper) has posted a "story" of the British Queen doing a Nazi salute as a child, (incidentally it was taken before WW2 had begun). Supposedly this is news in Britain. I can't wait to see the article about all those racist Hindu folk, making artwork and textiles with those horrible Swastika images on them centuries before the Nazis. *ends sarcasm*

 

No doubt if I looked into my families history back far enough, I'd find I'm the product of murderers, thieves, slave owners etc. Did you know that nearly all Europeans alive today can directly link their bloodline back to Charlemange? Then again, that bloke got about a bit with the women.

 

You're taking it somewhere I'm not sure it wast intended to be taken

 

In any case - when it comes to events of WWII, we're still talking about still relatively recent events and not surprising "families history taken back far enough".

And it's certainly curious that companies that products we still use or think of as thoroughly western and "ours" were linked once to one of the worst regimes ever. It's interesting that Fanta people still drink was specifically designed for Nazi Germany market. It's interesting that Henry Ford was presented with Grand Cross of the Supreme Order of the German Eagle - the highest honor in Nazi Germany. It's interesting that Bayer - a pharmaceutical potentate that saved or eased the pain of many - has manufactured the gas that killed thousands of innocents and helped with Mengele's experiments.

 

It may not be news for all, but it's certainly something worth spending a thought or two about.

[MayriyaNoori]

Hmmm....so I was trying to think of what would be a great song that Solas and my Lavellan danced to at Halamshiral that's all classy and stuff cause I dig me some classy music and I have decided this is what played in their dance scene.

 

 

I have absolutely no reasoning for this other than I love this song and the Piano Guys rock.

 

Actually I may or may not have started a sublist within my Solavellan playlist that is entirely comprised of classy music that played for dancing at the Winter Palace.

 

I think this is a point of realizing you have a problem.

 

Edit, Oh and incase you didn't have enough feelz yet in your day for Solavellan here's some more appropriate Piano Guys.

 

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[CapricornSun]

Art again.

 

Solas and Rial Lavellan dancing at Halamshiral from Chapter 38 of Apotheosis.

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Source: http://karininini.tu...al-and-solas-at

 

 

Solas and Lavellan relaxing on the couch. Alternate version of this art.

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Source: http://andauril.tumb...-picture-oddmoy

 

 

Modern AU Solas and Lavellan.

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Source: http://ladytheirinsb...st/124396726719

 

 

Solas painting.

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Source: http://solavellans.t...o-apologize-for

 

 

Nerd egg.

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Source: http://droid-listles...-solas-for-jody

 

[Patchwork]

I think it's very possible they did use some form of Tranquility in those times. I mean, even reading the story about Andruil going nuts and fighting Mythal kinda comes off like Andruil being made Tranquil of sorts.

The thing is that it was probably very different back then since it seems the very nature of reality was different then. A Tranquil in Ancient times would have been surrounded by spirits and Fade so to be truly cut off from it would create sort of an abomination. Then you have to start wondering what that would be in a world like that.

It leads to some craziness I'm sure.

 

In a society built on magic where everyone is a mage Tranquillity would have been the highest form of punishment, one only the worthy could come back from.

 

If you're not strong enough then you show yourself to be less than a slave and were treated accordingly.

 

 

Okay so if Solas' Well dialogue wasn't weird and he did warn a romanced Lavellan that drinking would make her a slave would your Lavellan drink or not?

 

I'm not sure a about mine, the Well grants knowledge that the Dalish have been longing for and if nothing else she would know the full language. Using the Inquisition resources she could write a sort of dictionary/phrase book and have copies sent to the clans, even offer it to the Alienages. A small thing, not important in the grand scheme but one that had been stripped away generations ago by Tevinter.

On the other hand 'slave' is a scarier word than 'geas'.    

[midnight tea]

Okay so if Solas' Well dialogue wasn't weird and he did warn a romanced Lavellan that drinking would make her a slave would your Lavellan drink or not?

 

I'm not sure a about mine, the Well grants knowledge that the Dalish have been longing for and if nothing else she would know the full language. Using the Inquisition resources she could write a sort of dictionary/phrase book and have copies sent to the clans, even offer it to the Alienages. A small thing, not important in the grand scheme but one that had been stripped away generations ago by Tevinter.

On the other hand 'slave' is a scarier word than 'geas'.    

 

Well, there's one thing to consider, and not just in a sense of Lavellan fearing becoming a slave - she's the Inquisitor. Aside form all the political power IQ managed to get (that depends on individual playthrough, obviously), she holds power either never seen on this world or rarely seen: the Anchor. The thing not only opens and closes ways to Fade itself, but is vaguely hinted at being able to give people access even to the Golden/Black city. 

 

She has to be wary of anything that could take control of her, be it people she grows too attached to or ancient, supposedly killed gods.

 

On the other, it's like you say - knowledge provided to Lavellan may be useful, and not just for elves. Then there's of course worry about Morrigan - if not for the fact that she may indeed betray us at some point, then her eagerness to sacrifice herself and leave Kieran orphaned/half-orphaned.

 

Still, we're yet to find the extent of Mythal's control over either Quizzy or Morrigan. I myself have my doubts about Solas gaining control over them after he acquired FleMythal's power.

[MayriyaNoori]

In a society built on magic where everyone is a mage Tranquillity would have been the highest form of punishment, one only the worthy could come back from.

 

If you're not strong enough then you show yourself to be less than a slave and were treated accordingly.

 

 

Okay so if Solas' Well dialogue wasn't weird and he did warn a romanced Lavellan that drinking would make her a slave would your Lavellan drink or not?

 

I'm not sure a about mine, the Well grants knowledge that the Dalish have been longing for and if nothing else she would know the full language. Using the Inquisition resources she could write a sort of dictionary/phrase book and have copies sent to the clans, even offer it to the Alienages. A small thing, not important in the grand scheme but one that had been stripped away generations ago by Tevinter.

On the other hand 'slave' is a scarier word than 'geas'.    

Well, first interesting thought for me is how would Solas actually plead for the Inquisitor to not drink, because he obviously  can't say to much without the question of "How do you know so much about this Well business?" coming up and then "Ahh, the Fade...." and then Quizzy being like "Wait, you've dreamt here before? How did you sneak in here and sleep"

 

So, I imagine that Solas would be quite cryptic about it and almost seem like he doesn't have a real reason for telling you not to drink.

 

What kept me from drinking from the Well when I did my play through it was actually what Cole says that made my Lavellan be like "Nope, nope,nope". Cole says something about having a lot of voices in your head and that you won't like them. Up until that point, I can actually see her about to step into the Well, Cole saying "Hey, you're about to sell off your mind space to voices you won't like" and my Lavellan just stopping and turning to Morrigan and saying "have at it yo".

[MayriyaNoori]

So, I hate to post twice in a row, but oh wellz.

 

See.....outside of playing video games I enjoy knitting. And this morning I looked over at my yarn stash and realized I am in the possession of yarn that is just about the exact color of Solas' sweater. When I looked closer...turns out I have about a sweaters amount of this yarn. I believe I may just have to attempt knitting up a sweater.....to look like Solas' sweater. The amount of effort and time this endeavor will take will hands down make it the geekiest thing I have ever done in my life.

 

Note, I am well aware that if you really look at the sweater, the fabric of it is actually woven and not knit....but there are knit stitches that can look like that.

 

Also, if anyone here actually knows of a Solas sweater knitting pattern out there....that would make my life much easier because now I won't be able to let that yarn become anything else but a Solas sweater......so yeah.

[Rabbitonfire]

 

I've been having solas feels after finally playing jaws of hakkon.

[ChuChu]

I'm pretty sure I heard somewhere that the whole "I begged you not to drink" issue was a writing mistake. Like he was actually supposed to beg you at the Well but didn't.

^ correct. I think PW said he wrote the part in the rotunda but someone else did the well bit in the Temple.

[Elda]

Makes me wonder what Weekes had in mind when he wrote those lines.

He could have mentioned the geas himself. He is a mage so it wouldn't have been weird to add his own perspective. Alternatively, he could have at least warned Quiz about dealing with ancient magic that (as far as anyone else knows) is unknown and potentially dangerous. Not to mention, it's unlikely anyone can just make another anchor if things go awry.

[Cee]

Exactly, and mine trusted Solas, and he discouraged her. And she still had duties to fulfill and Corypheus to defeat, so even the chance of binding herself into some form of servitude, even for all of that knowledge, it was an irresponsible choice, so Morrigan drank in my canon.

 

My mage will do it, being of an attitude that this is her heritage after all, and being a First, she's well-suited and can help share whatever she learns.

[drosophila]

Well, first interesting thought for me is how would Solas actually plead for the Inquisitor to not drink, because he obviously  can't say to much without the question of "How do you know so much about this Well business?" coming up and then "Ahh, the Fade...." and then Quizzy being like "Wait, you've dreamt here before? How did you sneak in here and sleep"

 

He could've said what he said when he was mad in the rotunda: "You'll be giving yourself to the service of an ancient elven god. You will be Mythal's creature, anything you do, whether you know it or not, will be for her." Those words did sound ominous the first time I heard them. As for incriminating himself, "I've seen such bindings during my wanderings in the Fade" is vague enough for explanation. 

 

 

Well, there's one thing to consider, and not just in a sense of Lavellan fearing becoming a slave - she's the Inquisitor. Aside form all the political power IQ managed to get (that depends on individual playthrough, obviously), she holds power either never seen on this world or rarely seen: the Anchor. The thing not only opens and closes ways to Fade itself, but is vaguely hinted at being able to give people access even to the Golden/Black city. 

 

She has to be wary of anything that could take control of her, be it people she grows too attached to or ancient, supposedly killed gods.

 

One thing I often wonder is what happens to that power once Cory is defeated. The Anchor still works (since she can still go around and close minor rifts), but there is no need for it anymore, so it becomes a threat that the magic-wary Thedas society would be far too uncomfortable with. The IQ's situation would be especially precarious if she's a mage/elf/dwarf/Quinari. I imagine there would be factions in Thedas working to bring her down, saying she's someone too dangerous to not be controlled, almost as soon as the Breach is closed. 

[midnight tea]

See.....outside of playing video games I enjoy knitting. And this morning I looked over at my yarn stash and realized I am in the possession of yarn that is just about the exact color of Solas' sweater. When I looked closer...turns out I have about a sweaters amount of this yarn. I believe I may just have to attempt knitting up a sweater.....to look like Solas' sweater. The amount of effort and time this endeavor will take will hands down make it the geekiest thing I have ever done in my life.

 

Note, I am well aware that if you really look at the sweater, the fabric of it is actually woven and not knit....but there are knit stitches that can look like that.

 

Also, if anyone here actually knows of a Solas sweater knitting pattern out there....that would make my life much easier because now I won't be able to let that yarn become anything else but a Solas sweater......so yeah.

 

Yah, no kidding... my mom's hobby is knitting and she's absolute pro in, I've spent years helping her pick wools, patterns or designs, so the first thing I thought when I saw Solas' tunic is "that's a sweater :P".

 

Anyway - not sure if I'd find anything in my mom's books when I get near them, but I may try.

[drosophila]

 

My mage will do it, being of an attitude that this is her heritage after all, and being a First, she's well-suited and can help share whatever she learns.

 

This is my reasoning when I let my Lavellan drink. There are many things she wants to change in the world, and the knowledge the Well offers would be extremely useful. Also, she's a risk taker.

[midnight tea]

One thing I often wonder is what happens to that power once Cory is defeated. The Anchor still works (since she can still go around and close minor rifts), but there is no need for it anymore, so it becomes a threat that the magic-wary Thedas society would be far too uncomfortable with. The IQ's situation would be especially precarious if she's a mage/elf/dwarf/Quinari. I imagine there would be factions in Thedas working to bring her down, saying she's someone too dangerous to not be controlled, almost as soon as the Breach is closed. 

 

Well, even Morrigan warns Inquisitor to watch the heights they reach, as there will be many people who'd try and knock him/her down. I assume they'd use any excuse to do it - unique "gift from Andraste/Maker" included.

 

In any case, I suppose we'd have to wait and see what will happen in upcoming (or future) DLC the events of which will happen after the Breach and whether they'd address this.

There's a leaked survey and while I am not entirely convinced that it's 100% legit OR that it states things that will all happen, but it does mention that the Anchor suddenly explodes with Fadey power. What it may mean I'm not sure - is the Anchor growing unstable without the thing that created it? Or more sensitive the more powerful Inquisitor becomes? Is the power stored in the Orb looking to go back to it, but finds only Inquisitor? Is there something that happened in the Fade? Was this caused by you know who?

 

And that made me wonder... what if Solas left in a hurry in order to find the solution to preserve, well, if not for Inquisitor, then the Anchor itself? What if he needs FleMythal's power for that?

 

Ooooo.... what if we meet him, and the entire way to some place we think he's going to kill us to extract the Anchor or something, only for him to turn in crucial moment and say "You'll have to kill me an absorb this power in order to save yourself. Now."?

[Illyria]

Well, given that The Sun (British junk tabloid newspaper) has posted a "story" of the British Queen doing a Nazi salute as a child, (incidentally it was taken before WW2 had begun). Supposedly this is news in Britain.

 

I'm not even too sure how this counts as 'news'.  It's not like Edward VIII being a Nazi sympathiser was unknown until this moment.  It's something that's been discussed since he was alive.

 

But then, it's the Sun.

 

Anyway: Solas' butt.

[drosophila]

 

 

Actually I may or may not have started a sublist within my Solavellan playlist that is entirely comprised of classy music that played for dancing at the Winter Palace.

 

I think this is a point of realizing you have a problem.

 

 

You are so not alone in this! I have several themes within my Solavellan playlist with a few songs in each theme that I would listen to on repeat depending on my mood:

• Solavellan happy times list. I literally put the song I danced to on my wedding in this, because it creates the feeling of a calm, timeless moment, yet it makes you aware of the merciless passing of time.
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• Lavellan heartbreak list. 
• Solas and Lavellan have arguments and she pushes him too far list.
• Solas rebellion list. I've been on the lookout for epic songs invoking images of battles and sacrifice. Also some really angsty Evanescence songs about being unhappy with the establishment that I should really have more shame to admit I listen to. 

And now I'm going to go assemble the dance in the Winter Palace list. Thanks for the idea!

[Cee]

This is my reasoning when I let my Lavellan drink. There are many things she wants to change in the world, and the knowledge the Well offers would be extremely useful. Also, she's a risk taker.

 

For both my Lavellans, duty is very important to them but their experiences shape them in different ways such that in this decision, "duty" means different things. We don't know what any potential consequences are yet, though Morrigan tied to her mother was fitting and amusingly worth seeing at least once. Still, both decisions can definitely be rationalized depending how you see your characters.

[midnight tea]

For both my Lavellans, duty is very important to them but their experiences shape them in different ways such that in this decision, "duty" means different things. We don't know what any potential consequences are yet, though Morrigan tied to her mother was fitting and amusingly worth seeing at least once. Still, both decisions can definitely be rationalized depending how you see your characters.

 

The irony is just too delicious, I agree.

 

THOUGH... I can't help and agree with Morrigan (when she's musing about what happened in the Fade) that it seems like Mythal might have orchestrated the whole thing (finding and going to her temple that is). Which brings many interesting questions...

[drosophila]

Ooooo.... what if we meet him, and the entire way to some place we think he's going to kill us to extract the Anchor or something, only for him to turn in crucial moment and say "You'll have to kill me an absorb this power in order to save yourself. Now."?

 

Oh, my feet turn to marmalade from the feels of this! But would he have to abandon his mission, then?

 

"Not happening, Solas. Rack that ancient brain of yours and come up with another way. Or give me some ancient elven booty while we still have time."

[drosophila]

Still, both decisions can definitely be rationalized depending how you see your characters.

 

Oh, absolutely. The way I think of almost every choice in this game is: "What would this character do? What does this say about her? Is this likely to lead to the kind of story I want to tell? How can I complement the story with something from my imagination?" I don't think of any chocie as right or wrong.

 

Some choices, like the Well, might have dire consequences, but I let Lavellan make them anyway, thinking, "This is a mistake I want her to make, because it fits her weaknesses, and I want to watch her pay the price and learn from it later."

[midnight tea]

Oh, my feet turn to marmalade from the feels of this! But would he have to abandon his mission, then?

 

Maybe a change of plans will occur Or maybe the place Solas will orchestrate it in a way that his death will also lead to him accomplishing his mission?

 

.....ooooor - his last words will be "Good, now, see that ancient dragony statue here? It will com to life soon and try and destroy you. Kill it for me and... good luck.... x_x"

 

Inquisitor: "Solas, you insufferable TROLL!"

 

 

 

"Not happening, Solas. Rack that ancient brain of yours and come up with another way. Or give me some ancient elven booty while we still have time."

 

"Wut? Now o_O? I knew you're horny, but goddamnit girl!"

[Elda]

Interesting thought about Quiz and the anchor: While the anchor's original intent is a bit blurry, it's current use isn't necessarily gone. There are rifts out as far as the Free Marches that won't close themselves, constantly endangering people and spirits alike. Unless there was some why to close all the rifts without visiting each one, Quiz will have a job to do. He/she would have to travel to all of those locations which starts to parallel to the way Ameridan went out hunting beasties before disappearing.

This is a thought I've been having a lot lately. Particularly when contemplating what a Solas oriented DLC might be like. Or at least how it might end....