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[MoonDrummer]

I know this isn't a popular thing to say but I really wish they hadn't done last gen support in the first place.  I followed DAI right from the start and seeing what was dropped from the game due to technical limitations is kind of heartbreaking.  And given how much they were talking about this stuff in the last few months leading up to release it's clear that some was dropped at the very last moment.

They either shouldn't have made it last gen in the first place or seen it through to the end, imo.

[TimeGhost]

Do you know what Coles second card is based off of? I've searched but found nothing except that his first card is based on The Moon.

It's two of the Pages. Cups and pentacles if I'm not Mistaken. What's really cool is they leave the Queen and King Cards of the Suits (except for queen of cups, that's Viv) for your Inquisitor

[nikki-tikki]

Would also give cold, hard cash for a meeting between Solas and Fenris.

 

Solas:  "Then what I must tell you... the truth.  Your face. The vallaslin.  ....They are slave markings."

Fenris (*through gritted teeth*):  "Yeah.  Tell me something I don't know."

 

Wonder which way Fenris would go, given the option to remove them... 

 

Fenris' tattoos aren't vallaslin though. They're made of Lyrium etched into his skin. Not blood. So I doubt Solas would actually be able to remove them.

 

^{Sorry. Late reply.} 

[Illyria]

@Illyria - Yes.  It's not popular but I totally agree.  I will refer to the other RPG(The Most Holy Game - The Witcher 3) that came out "this year" and you can see what the new-gen can do for a game like this. It's heartbreaking.  They - Bioware- really had to limit themselves.  There wasn't even a unicorn sex-scene! WHAT IS UP WITH THAT?  In all seriousness, the biggest issue I had was that TW3 game world felt ALIVE. You would meet peasants on the road, the cities were BUSTLING.  The world was huge and beautiful.  Just thinking of what BW could have done and it hurts. it hurts. 

 

I know the intent was initially release BOTH on old-gen, but I wonder if TW3 cancelled so long because they just wanted to make it new gen when devkits started going out.  they delayed it like 2-3 years.  and the game SINGS. 

 

it's not that DAI is awful but it's really hitting the top end of what the old systems can do. further, you really see the difference from my PC to a PS3 or X-Box 360. 

 

that is not the only issue I have with dai.  my major beefs have actually nothing to do with the engine.  but that's another post.

 

The whole thing with DAI made me so glad that FO4 is current gen only.

 

They either shouldn't have made it last gen in the first place or seen it through to the end, imo.

 

Exactly.

 

Fenris' tattoos aren't vallaslin though. They're made of Lyrium etched into his skin. Not blood. So I doubt Solas would actually be able to remove them.

 

^{Sorry. Late reply.} 

 

Merrill does note how much like vallaslin they are, and it's thought that Danarius did them like that to mock elven culture.

[BoscoBread]

@Nikki - I wonder though if the spell and the process that the lyrium tattoos were put is similar to vallaslin?  like there is that whole instance in the last court when you find you're attacked by deranged elves with corrupted lyrium tattoos(red lyrium) of unknown design in the deep forest.  SPOOPY.

 

It's a different process by virture of the fact they were put on fenris against his will nad have a whole host of different meaning. whereas the dalish it's cultural and religious. so yeah...they are very much NOT the same.

[nikki-tikki]

Merrill does note how much like vallaslin they are, and it's thought that Danarius did them like that to mock elven culture.

 

Except his tattoos give him multiple abilities and he can phase through objects. Also according to the Wiki he is connected to the Fade somehow. Vallaslins don't do that. Tevinter has always mocked Elven culture. Even without knowing it. Hence half of Dorian/Solas banters. 

 

@Nikki - I wonder though if the spell and the process that the lyrium tattoos were put is similar to vallaslin?  like there is that whole instance in the last court when you find you're attacked by deranged elves with corrupted lyrium tattoos(red lyrium) of unknown design in the deep forest.  SPOOPY.

 

It's a different process by virture of the fact they were put on fenris against his will nad have a whole host of different meaning. whereas the dalish it's cultural and religious. so yeah...they are very much NOT the same.

 

Yeah i'm excited to see the crazy lyrium elves again. I would play The Last Court again but it takes too long. Even though I got some free stuff for it. 

[Ulv Elskeren]

Fenris' tattoos aren't vallaslin though. They're made of Lyrium etched into his skin. Not blood. So I doubt Solas would actually be able to remove them.

 

^{Sorry. Late reply.} 

 

True, though the lyrium = blood of the (literal primordial deity) Earth theory is always kicking around in the back of my mind.  I do suspect there was a point in elvish history where vallaslin may have been a way for the Gods to share power, at a price, with their followers.  Essentially runes, but drawn in blood and flesh.  

 

Still a totally valid point about the limitations of Solas' power, though.   Would be interesting to know whether the same spell would work on Fenris- whether there's anything inherently magic at all about modern vallaslin, or whether he's just casting "remove ink".       If not, I almost hope the Dalish have forgotten key aspects of the process.  Would be far worse for Falon'Din to show up again and be able to exert geas-level control over a significant chunk of the elven population...  

[drosophila]

I do suspect there was a point in elvish history where vallaslin may have been a way for the Gods to share power, at a price, to their followers.  Essentially runes, but drawn in blood and flesh.  

 

That's what I think, either power was shared, or it was purely a binding rune.

[Ulv Elskeren]

@Nikki - I wonder though if the spell and the process that the lyrium tattoos were put is similar to vallaslin?  like there is that whole instance in the last court when you find you're attacked by deranged elves with corrupted lyrium tattoos(red lyrium) of unknown design in the deep forest.  SPOOPY.

 

It's a different process by virture of the fact they were put on fenris against his will nad have a whole host of different meaning. whereas the dalish it's cultural and religious. so yeah...they are very much NOT the same.

 

WHAAAAT!!  I need to play Last Court again- that never happened to me.  Tied to Twilight, I assume?  Any idea what triggers the event?

 

(As an aside, I think it's established that although he doesn't remember, Fenris accepted the lyrium runes willingly.  I could swear I remember something vague about actually fighting others for the "privilege".  Of course, if his markings did end up being vallaslin of the Earth, that would beg the question of how his master could possibly have acquired such ancient lore.. which would be really hard to explain.)

[drosophila]

(As an aside, I think it's established that although he doesn't remember, Fenris accepted the lyrium runes willingly.  I could swear I remember something vague about him actually fighting for the "privilege".  Of course, if his markings did end up being vallaslin of the Earth, that would beg the question of how his master could possibly have acquired such ancient lore.. which would be really hard to explain.)

 

Yes, if you spare his sister you learn he fought for the privilege and used the boon to free her. 

[BoscoBread]

@Ulv - I don't remember _ I think my character was in the deep forest on a hunt. I can't copy and past into the forum - my IE update at work stops that. But it's on the wiki. 

 

Ummm...I don't know what vallaslin of the earth means, do you have a link to a codex.  but yeah you are right, I forgot fenris agrees to them as a boon but it's not like he wasn't under duress. I mean agreeing them to free  your family is different than mediating and agreeing to them as part of a community culture thing like the dalish - when you become an adult.  context is important here. 

[Cee]

So, the DA accounts shared this. https://twitter.com/...29815270801408 (Naturally lots of people are answering Blackwall, and I agree).

 

Given his still unclear Warden response, what do you think Solas' reaction would be if he were somehow to undergo the Joining under some circumstance?

 

We have already been able to see what red lyrium would do to him and of course there are the multiple blighted gods hints.

[The Oracle]

So, the DA accounts shared this. https://twitter.com/...29815270801408 (Naturally lots of people are answering Blackwall, and I agree).

 

Given his still unclear Warden response, what do you think Solas' reaction would be if he were somehow to undergo the Joining under some circumstance?

 

We have already been able to see what red lyrium would do to him and of course there are the multiple blighted gods hints.

 

Well, with his knowledge, he'd be bloody handy to have joined to the Warden's cause. Of course, with his knowledge, he'd probably also know a way to undo the effects of the joining. He's also not one to be forced into joining an order by some half understood ritual that corrupts your body and slowly kills you while blindly following orders. So to summarise, I don't think he's be long with the Wardens.

[Jewlie Ghoulie]

Out of curiousity, How would you as Solas fans (those who romance him and do not) feel if there was no involvement of a Post game dlc for closure? I'm curious!

[drosophila]

So, the DA accounts shared this. https://twitter.com/...29815270801408 (Naturally lots of people are answering Blackwall, and I agree).

 

Given his still unclear Warden response, what do you think Solas' reaction would be if he were somehow to undergo the Joining under some circumstance?

 

We have already been able to see what red lyrium would do to him and of course there are the multiple blighted gods hints.

 

I think he would firmly refuse, "No. Do not ask me again." If you try to force him, he will flee. 

[ChuChu]

I remember reading - might have been devs on Twitter -- answer in response to being asked about hair options and being told no.

 

Best bet here is mods if you play on PC.
 

 

Oh yeah, as it is now? Definitely no hair enhancements. But if in future they aren't limiting themselves technologically, I don't know what they are capable of doing. Maybe an Inquisitor can finally let her hair down! ;P

True, though the lyrium = blood of the (literal primordial deity) Earth theory is always kicking around in the back of my mind.  I do suspect there was a point in elvish history where vallaslin may have been a way for the Gods to share power, at a price, with their followers.  Essentially runes, but drawn in blood and flesh.  

 

Still a totally valid point about the limitations of Solas' power, though.   Would be interesting to know whether the same spell would work on Fenris- whether there's anything inherently magic at all about modern vallaslin, or whether he's just casting "remove ink".       If not, I almost hope the Dalish have forgotten key aspects of the process.  Would be far worse for Falon'Din to show up again and be able to exert geas-level control over a significant chunk of the elven population...  

That kind of sent a chill down my spine, the idea of an elven army enslaved because they didn't know what they were putting on their faces. I mean, Dalish are few and far between so I don't think it'd be a real threat. But I could be wrong. Wars are not always won with brute strength.

[drosophila]

That kind of send a chill down my spine, the idea of an elven army enslaved because they didn't know what they were putting on their faces. I mean, Dalish are few and far between so I don't think it'd be a real threat. But I could be wrong. Wars are not always won with brute strength.

 

What would make it even worse is if the pantheon are still at war with each other. Imagine someone with Falon'Din vallaslin being forced to kill their loved ones who wear Mythal vallaslin. 

[Cee]

I think he would firmly refuse, "No. Do not ask me again." If you try to force him, he will flee. 

 

This is a hypothetical situation, so let's say it happens. Like, what if it was this or die and he still has his goals/cause to complete. Under most circumstances, i think he would just rather die but ...hypothetically.

[Cee]

What would make it even worse is if the pantheon are still at war with each other. Imagine someone with Falon'Din vallaslin being forced to kill their loved ones who wear Mythal vallaslin. 

 

It would be a pretty cruel thing to inflict on a Lavellan who kept hers though. Unless protected by some plot armor Anchor protection, I don't see that happening. I think the vallaslin-keeping Solasmancers might hate that and feel like their choice is invalidated.

[Niamaduir]

Out of curiousity, How would you as Solas fans (those who romance him and do not) feel if there was no involvement of a Post game dlc for closure? I'm curious!

 

I think it would depend on what you mean by "no closure." If it means that we do not see Solas at all until the next game, I would be disappointed, especially since the end of the game implies that the Inquisition is looking for him, even if its something of a fruitless task at this point. If you mean that we get no special scene with Solas, again I would be disappointed. We get precious little interaction with Solas in terms of the romance, it would be nice to have something more than Crestwood as the last time my Quizzy had an intimate conversation with Solas. I don't even want a sex scene, as I enjoy the fact that they left how sexual your relationship is ambiguous and open to fan interpretation, but another kiss would be nice. If you mean that there is no dialogue referencing the type of relationship you had with Solas in any of its forms, they I would be both disappointed and a bit angry, as that would seem as lazy writing on Bioware's part. 

[Uirebhiril]

Out of curiousity, How would you as Solas fans (those who romance him and do not) feel if there was no involvement of a Post game dlc for closure? I'm curious!

 

I'd be a little irritated. I don't expect (or want!) all the answers to come in DLC, but I'd like enough for my character to have some understanding and closure after everything, and for me as the player to have something new to speculate on and look forward to in the next game. I think it's mostly that it didn't feel as if the Inquisitor's story was over just because we defeated Corypheus, and with Solas having been a part of that story from the beginning it would just feel unfinished without something there involving him.

 

But I guess I should just wait and see what comes. Any day now, I'm sure...

[drosophila]

This is a hypothetical situation, so let's say it happens. Like, what if it was this or die and he still has his goals/cause to complete. Under most circumstances, i think he would just rather die but ...hypothetically.

 

OK, then, I enjoy assumptions.     So let's also assume he doesn't know a way to reverse the joining and he's locked in. We really don't know what the Blight is all about, so it's hard to say what the effect would be on him. I can think of some scenarios:

 

1. He is corrupted into an archdemon. Part of him despises who he has become, but his mission is still The Most Important Thing, the sole focus of his existence. So being the trickster he is, he decides to make the most of the situation and rallies the darkspawn behind him to fulfill his goals. This marks the beginning of The Sixth Blight and the Grey Wardens are called to fight. It all ends in an epic standoff between Solas and the Hero of Ferelden. Unless you chose the Ultimate Sacrifice, in which case the standoff is between Solas and the Inquisitor.

 

2. He becomes a regular Grey Warden. This means he has lost his immortality and feels pressed for time to complete his mission. Using his ample knowledge and cunning, he quickly rises through the Grey Warden ranks, and rallies the Wardens behind him towards his ultimate goal. The Inquisition is called to stop him and it all ends in an epic standoff between Solas and The  Inquisitor. 

 

Uh, 'tis all I can think of in between experiments. 

[drosophila]

It would be a pretty cruel thing to inflict on a Lavellan who kept hers though. Unless protected by some plot armor Anchor protection, I don't see that happening. I think the vallaslin-keeping Solasmancers might hate that and feel like their choice is invalidated.

 

Haven't we established already that BioWare has no problem being cruel to Lavellans? 

 

My Lavellan kept hers and I would be interested in watching her being forced to assist Dirthamen, all resources of the Inquisition included. She is also bound by Mythal and carries the Anchor, probably belonging to the Dread Wolf, so it will be a total mess if these three don't play well with each other  

 

I don't see it happing in game, though, mainly because there are too many different vallaslin choices, along with the choice to remove it or not. It will involve too many alternative scenarios. 

[The Oracle]

The fact that Vallaslin is called blood writing and given how blood seems to be a direct link to magic or the Fade, I wouldn't be surprised if it was originally a way for Nobles to control their slaves as a branch of blood magic. Whether or not the ritual the Dalish now use has any real semblance to the practices of the past, or holds any innate power, is definitely something to ponder on.

[S.W.]

Out of curiousity, How would you as Solas fans (those who romance him and do not) feel if there was no involvement of a Post game dlc for closure? I'm curious!

 

I'm actually of two minds about this.

 

One of the things I really don't like about the Mass Effect DLC is how pretty important plot points are removed the narrative and instead relegated to DLC. In fact, in my opinion, the DLC is consistently more interesting and involving for the latter two ME games than the actual main storyline. This leads to characters and ideas which weren't properly introduced in the main narrative suddenly becoming key figures in a sequel, and the overall effect being confusing. This was seen in DA:I too, as Cory was a DLC villain, and it felt like they were recyling an old idea or were unsure about establishing a theme. I sometimes feel involving DLC too much story-wise cheapens the actual main story. Like, if it's crucial to the plot - why exclude it? I wonder if BioWare is using DLC as a method of including plot-relevant information which didn't make the deadline - if that's the case, they have a larger scheduling problem to sort out.

 

So I'm nervous if we see Solas reappear in DLC, for that reason. I'm also doubtful that I'll get the options I'll want - my Lavellan, if offered the choice, would jump at the chance to join Solas on his save-the-ancient-elves campaign, but I reckon that'll interfere with the story, so really I wouldn't get any proper closure.