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[Sah291]

They said what they thought, I was simply responding with what I think.
 
I can totally see why someone would see it as something quick, and ultimately not very meaningful (or very meaningful but also very impermanent).  I mean he pretty obviously goes in knowing it's a bad idea.  So that opinion makes sense and is a totally realistic take on the situation.
 
To me though, I see more along the lines of "Solas wanted this to last but it absolutely couldn't."  And that also makes sense.

Hmm, I agree. For me I think it is both. It is like a brief passionate affair in the sense that it was fleeting in the end and didn't work out. But not necessarily in the sense that it wasn't serious or meaningful. Which seems very bittersweet for Solas, the more I think about it, because I don't get the impression he does "fleeting" very well...at least not for things he loves or is attached to. The fact that he refuses to call it a "dalliance" and was ready to give up everything to stay, implies he was pretty serious...except there is something he's already promised himself for and he'll never forgive himself if he stays, so he has no choice. My headcanon is that Lavellan is probably a little more casual about it, just because she doesn't fully know who is or who/what he is to her.

[Elessara]

Uh, but now I realize I picked up the rift mage specialization. Does that mean Lavellan had to give up chocolate? Your Teacher left that part out!

 

On a side note, when I first played as a mage, saw the mage trainers and then saw Your Teacher, I thought, "Hah, nice bug!".  Aaaand then I talked to her and realised oh, not a bug she's just nuts.   =x

[Cee]

On a side note, when I first played as a mage, saw the mage trainers and then saw Your Teacher, I thought, "Hah, nice bug!".  Aaaand then I talked to her and realised oh, not a bug she's just nuts.   =x

 

At least she survived.

 

Training to be a Rift Mage is um, precarious.

[Vorathrad]

Hmm, I agree. For me I think it is both. It is like a brief passionate affair in the sense that it was fleeting in the end and didn't work out. But not necessarily in the sense that it wasn't serious or meaningful. Which seems very bittersweet for Solas, the more I think about it, because I don't get the impression he does "fleeting" very well...at least not for things he loves or is attached to. The fact that he refuses to call it a "dalliance" and was ready to give up everything to stay, implies he was pretty serious...except there is something he's already promised himself for and he'll never forgive himself if he stays, so he has no choice. My headcanon is that Lavellan is probably a little more casual about it, just because she doesn't fully know who is or who/what he is to her.

For me it is both, too. A relationship being doomed to end sooner than later doesn't mean it isn't meaningful, or deep. There are couples that love each other dearly but can't make it work for a number of reasons, it happens IRL too; it's even these doomed relationships the ones that burn your soul to the core, in a Heathcliff-Catherine kind of way (sorry for those who don't like Wuthering Heights , I love it so it comes first to mind but there are countless examples)

In the case of Solavellan, I find them more and more in this category. They loved each other very deeply but at the same time, deep down they knew it couldn't last. Solas certainly wanted to believe it could, and at some point I think he even did. Same for Lavellan. But in the end (in Crestwood), he realizes that he can't just go on denying the fact that he can't cast his mission aside. Lavellan at that point (any Inquisitor, really) must have realized that there is much more to Solas than meets the eye, that he has his own agenda and it will make him leave after the final battle against Corypheus. I RP the breakup as my Lavellan being all "let's keep it a little longer", but I see how it can have been a very passionate yet passing relationship.

I will be more than happy if Bioware gives us the unlikely happy ending, but things as they are, I like thinking about Solavellan as them wanting to keep their relationship in spite of reality.

[midnight tea]

For me it is both, too. A relationship being doomed to end sooner than later doesn't mean it isn't meaningful, or deep. There are couples that love each other dearly but can't make it work for a number of reasons, it happens IRL too; it's even these doomed relationships the ones that burn your soul to the core, in a Heathcliff-Catherine kind of way (sorry for those who don't like Wuthering Heights , I love it so it comes first to mind but there are countless examples)

In the case of Solavellan, I find them more and more in this category. They loved each other very deeply but at the same time, deep down they knew it couldn't last. Solas certainly wanted to believe it could, and at some point I think he even did. Same for Lavellan. But in the end (in Crestwood), he realizes that he can't just go on denying the fact that he can't cast his mission aside. Lavellan at that point (any Inquisitor, really) must have realized that there is much more to Solas than meets the eye, that he has his own agenda and it will make him leave after the final battle against Corypheus. I RP the breakup as my Lavellan being all "let's keep it a little longer", but I see how it can have been a very passionate yet passing relationship.

I will be more than happy if Bioware gives us the unlikely happy ending, but things as they are, I like thinking about Solavellan as them wanting to keep their relationship in spite of reality.

 

 

Same for mine - it was a game of "let's blissfully pretend a little longer" and each of them fearfully awaiting the moment when another will say that it's time to end this.

[Sah291]

Same for mine - it was a game of "let's blissfully pretend a little longer" and each of them fearfully awaiting the moment when another will say that it's time to end this.

That seems fitting, and seems to be a subtext/theme in some (most?) of the other romances as well.

[midnight tea]

That seems fitting, and seems to be a subtext/theme in some (most?) of the other romances as well.

 

It's probably natural considering the whole situation - toying with unknown forces, leading the rising new power and (apparently) being designated to do great things and stopping the worst baddies... or die trying

[Vorathrad]

That seems fitting, and seems to be a subtext/theme in some (most?) of the other romances as well.

Definitely. It isn't certain that the IQ will be able to defeat Corypheus and even if he/she does what will happen with the Inquisition. So until after the last battle all romances have that feeling of "this will last until Corypheus wins".

[Sah291]

It's probably natural considering the whole situation - toying with unknown forces, leading the rising new power and (apparently) being designated to do great things and stopping the worst baddies... or die trying

Indeed...the world is ending and all. I just noticed a lot of them have lines implying they think being with the Quizzy is too good to be true, or that they don't deserve them, etc. When you break up with Cass, she says something like she should have known it was too good to be true, and "let's pretend a little longer". Dorian talks about how it will be harder to walk away later, and his whole fear of hoping for more and it being dangerous. Blackwall is really obvious about it and actually gives approval when you break it off in one scene. Cullen talks about how he won't want to walk away.

It's why I don't imagine my Quizzy easily moving on to anyone else. I would think her job would make it more difficult over time to get close to someone.

[Cee]

My headcanon is different. There were reservations at first on Solas' part but although she always knew there was a certain degree more, they both fell deeply and got caught up and felt like it was serious. There was always a looming danger and for my Lavellan, she got wrapped up in the duty and demands put upon her, but did not doubt that once this was all taken care of they would talk and figure things out and go on together. There was no sense of inevitable end or even an end at all. Would things change after Corypheus was dead? Probably? She suspected he had some duty given his concerns with the orb, but she felt it would be something they would discuss and work out once the big looming threat was gone.

 

At Crestwood, she felt like this was another step in the new start she was beginning to see over the horizon, the life after all of this. She felt like she would go back to her people, not alone, and impart some of the knowledge she now has, including about the vallaslin, which she agreed to let go of....until he ended things.

 

Even then she still hoped they would talk since he said that thing about all will be made clear and there was still some pain and confusion.

[midnight tea]

My headcanon is different. There were reservations at first on Solas' part but although she always knew there was a certain degree more, they both fell deeply and got caught up and felt like it was serious. There was always a looming danger and for my Lavellan, she got wrapped up in the duty and demands put upon her, but did not doubt that once this was all taken care of they would talk and figure things out and go on together. There was no sense of inevitable end or even an end at all. Would things change after Corypheus was dead? Probably? She suspected he had some duty given his concerns with the orb, but she felt it would be something they would discuss.

 

At Crestwood, she felt like this was another step in the new start she was beginning to see over the horizon, the life after all of this. She felt like she would go back to her people, not alone, and impart some of the knowledge she now has, including about the vallaslin, which she agreed to let go of....until he ended things.

 

Even then she still hoped they would talk since he said that thing about all will be made clear and there was still some pain and confusion.

 

It's not like there's no pain and confusion as well as lingering hope that things will get fixed yet and they'll have a chance to continue this, but I think - in my Lavellan's case at least - the pain stemmed more from the fact that he chose to dump her right at that moment, seconds after he actually gave her hope that he indeed intends to fully commit to that relationship. Well that, and that he broke up with her when she (arguably) needed him the most, right before the final confrontation with Cory ... and, let's face it, he's the only LI that does that

 

Others are kind of "I can't think of losing you!" or "Don't you die out there!". And Solas? "Let's not talk about this now, there are more important things"... Frikking OUCH! 

 

That, I think, is actually more hurtful moment than the breakup scene itself, because at least during that scene, you can see he's torn apart.... while the next morning (or whenever Lavellan chooses to speak with him) he kinda looks like he's mostly over it already.

[Joe25]

Solas and Quiz at the Winter Palace.

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[Cee]

It's not like there's no pain and confusion as well as lingering hope that things will get fixed yet and they'll have a chance to continue this, but I think - in my Lavellan's case at least - the pain stemmed more from the fact that he chose to dump with her right at that moment, seconds after he actually gave her hope that he indeed intends to fully commit to that relationship. Well that, and that he broke up with her when she (arguably) needed him the most, right before the final confrontation with Cory ... and, let's face it, he's the only LI that does that

 

Others are kind of "I can't think of losing you!" or "Don't you die out there!". And Solas? "Let's not talk about this now, there are more important things"... Frikking OUCH! 

 

That, I think, is actually more hurtful moment than the breakup scene itself, because at least during that scene, you can see he's torn apart.... while the next morning (or whenever Lavellan chooses to speak with him) he kinda looks like he's mostly over it already.

 

I've been through a breakup where I got frozen out. It is so painful.

 

I see it as Solas had to put her at a distance in order to not get pulled back in himself. Think about what he says while breaking up - he says he has distracted her but it's him who suddenly realized that his happiness clashes with what he perceives as his duty. He's distracted. He has to make a firm decision and stick with it, even if he knows it will hurt her or make her angry. He's willing to absorb that pain and in order to do so, he goes into 'wall' mode. But every time, she has pulled him in. After breaking up he waves her away. He won't even let her touch him. He'd get pulled in again.

[R2s Muse]

I also played it just before end game, and it was after the cave date. 
You will get the usual party banter. I had cass comment on my lack of tats twice...shut up cass it hurts V_V 
Other than that, there will be a moment where they are talking about elven gods. and if you click the right things they say ah I forgot about fen'harel. And Solas mumbles: most people usually do. 

 

 

I've played JoH both before wyvern cave and after Cory fight. Besides what jeniva posted, Solas makes a few other comments. It will be blatantly obvious which quests/npc interactions he will join in conversation with (usually). I would say that all of it is not romance related but... there is a part or two that could add some nuance in a relatable way.

IMHO, I recommend playing JoH before the third romance scene.

Ah, thanks so much for your perspectives. It definitely seemed like Solas would have a lot to say about so much of the spirits-as-gods discussions that happen in JoH, so I was hoping he'd chime in. Then, of course, I'm hoping there's at least some inkling of our relationship in there somewhere. I think I have to back up significantly (esp if I roll back to before he dumped me) and maybe build up my IQ so I don't die playing the DLC so early, so I wanted to put some planning into it first! 

[Sah291]

That, I think, is actually more hurtful moment than the breakup scene itself, because at least during that scene, you can see he's torn apart.... while the next morning (or whenever Lavellan chooses to speak with him) he kinda looks like he's mostly over it already.

Heh, I doubt it. Most characters get over it unrealistically fast when you breakup with them. We probably have Anders and his +rivalry to thank for that, lol. But it's pretty typical.

Anyway the whole theme with LIs having doubts about being with the Quizzy initially made me wonder just how far they planned to take the Andraste paralells. How painful would it be to have your LI be the one to sell you out Maferath style, in order to save the Inquisition or something. They subverted my expectations when the Quizzy lived of course. But those ending balcony scene's with the LIs all kind of haunt me for some reason. Except for the Solasmance one, where I actually think solo Lavellan looks pretty badass.

[midnight tea]

Heh, I doubt it. Most characters get over it unrealistically fast when you breakup with them. We probably have Anders and his +rivalry to thank for that, lol. But it's pretty typical.

 

Not really sure we can describe Solavellan romance as very typical though^^; Not with "Come, I shall take you to a very romantic place, tell you how important you are to me, fawn over how perfect/beautiful you are.... on a second thought, you know what? We can't be together. No, I will not explain why. Sorry!"

 

Talk about emotional whiplash  If it happened to me I'd probably just stand there for good few hours, wondering what the hell just happened.

 

those ending balcony scene's with the LIs all kind of haunt me for some reason.

 

Heh, no kidding. The very first thought I have after witnessing a romance with a 'happy ending' is "Why do I have a feeling that this will end horribly for those two  ?"

[Giton]

Speaking of the headcanons that mean a lot to me and deserve respect, those of our Lavellans just before and after the break-up are vital. In fact, I made a comic.

Click the spoiler for

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What dreams are made: Cory-bear in a Panda suit pinning down the Inquisitor and speaking about binding things (to his will . . . NO INNUENDO HERE!)

 

So beautiful.

[R2s Muse]

Not really sure we can describe Solavellan romance as very typical though^^; Not with "Come, I shall take you to a very romantic place, tell you how important you are to me, fawn over how perfect/beautiful you are.... on a second thought, you know what? We can't be together. No, I will not explain why. Sorry!"
 
Talk about emotional whiplash  If it happened to me I'd probably just stand there for good few hours, wondering what the hell just happened.

It's funny that you say this, because this has become my new way of summing up the scene.
 

[Sah291]

It's funny that you say this, because this has become my new way of summing up the scene.
 

Whiplash indeed.

I just meant, whatever Solas is thinking post breakup is largely headcanon at this point, since it is so vague. The explanation that he is cutting himself off cold to avoid getting sucked back in makes a lot of sense. Or could be the devs just didn't have time to throw more banter in. Or they didn't want to because it might reveal too much, etc.

[Cee]

It's funny that you say this, because this has become my new way of summing up the scene.
 

 

 

I think this was all of us.

[Ulv Elskeren]

Solas and Quiz at the Winter Palace.

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I wanted this!

 

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If you're going to make a fetish out of the age/power difference, might as well go all the way.   Part of me is still kind of hoping Falon'Din turns out to be Goblin King fabulous.     He's got the whole dangerous bad boy + owl symbolism thing in the bag already.

[R2s Muse]

I wanted this!

 

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If you're going to make a fetish out of the age/power difference, might as well go all the way.   Part of me is still kind of hoping Falon'Din turns out to be Goblin King fabulous.     He's got the whole dangerous bad boy + owl symbolism thing in the bag already.

So much this.

[midnight tea]

If you're going to make a fetish out of the age/power difference, might as well go all the way.   Part of me is still kind of hoping Falon'Din turns out to be Goblin King fabulous.     He's got the whole dangerous bad boy + owl symbolism thing in the bag already.

 

.... Yes, because 'wolfish' God of Rebellion and a fabled trickster who apparently locked away all the gods isn't enough? ;D So greedy!

[drosophila]

.... Yes, because 'wolfish' God of Rebellion and a fabled trickster who apparently locked away all the gods isn't enough? ;D So greedy!

Well, Andraste still has one up on Lavellan by being Bride of the Maker. And second best is just not good enough

EDIT: The main romance in DA4 should be between a Dalish and the Maker. Let's displace that flimsy human prophet. Elven glory!

[Giton]

.... Yes, because 'wolfish' God of Rebellion and a fabled trickster who apparently locked away all the gods isn't enough? ;D So greedy!

Falon'Din and Dirthamen are a package deal. So, basically, two dark, beautiful, androgynous, seductive gods. Yes, I would trade in the canine model, stat.