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[nikki-tikki]

I feel like this is as good a time as any to bring back RogueBait's drawing of  Gatt

 

 

Beautiful.

[BoscoBread]

AHAHA. That is an A+ accurate drawing.

[laurelinvanyar]

Dear Solas Thread,

For old times sake, can I haz super science theories again on Titans, stone, lyrium, etc. Because that giant effing profane looks interesting.

Love,
Avejibijab

The memories, runecrafting, and possibly titans:

http://forum.bioware...ead/?p=18729944

 

On the Stone and Gangue:

http://forum.bioware...ead/?p=18730336

 

Kal Sharok Dwarves:

http://forum.bioware...ead/?p=18730079

[Rabbitonfire]

...huh?  The Carta dwarves weren't blighted, were they?  They were swayed by the song of red lyrium, from what I remember- the element Corypheus does have control over.  

 

Backing up a bit, it kind of looks like this to me: we have silver lyrium (the pure blood of the Earth = Potential), blue lyrium (the original Song of Creation = Order), red lyrium (the Sundered Song = Chaos) and green lyrium (something, something, ME3 Synthesis, Veil, Balance, blah blah).  In that light, blighted entities using blue lyrium would be... weird.  And hard to explain.

 

Re: the Architect, it's not a matter of intent.  In DA:tC, he's barely able to keep other darkspawn from actively attacking him, never mind being able to control them en masse.

 

Where the heck did you find this silver lyrium? Lyrium can be seen assembled into silver armor and accessories but not silver lyrium.

[Aren]

No offense,but after all the troubles that Solas caused these are the things that i wish to do on him

Solas Ultimate punishment

[Avejajed]

I am like 99.9999999 percent sure those guys in armor with blue lyrium are Kal Sharok dwarves.

[Rabbitonfire]

I am like 99.9999999 percent sure those guys in armor with blue lyrium are Kal Sharok dwarves.

If they are I'm going to be so hyped. And yeah, the armor is too ornate to be darkspawn if anyone assume that they were.

[nikki-tikki]

If they are I'm going to be so hyped. And yeah, the armor is too ornate to be darkspawn if anyone assume that they were.

 

And they were all dwarves. 

[Ulv Elskeren]

Where the heck did you find this silver lyrium? Lyrium can be seen assembled into silver armor and accessories but not silver lyrium.

 

As far as I can tell, the purest form of the stuff seems to be a silver liquid, though it may be the same as 'inactive' blue lyrium.   (And as a side note, it seems to map very strongly, in form and effect, with real-world mercury- aka "quicksilver".)  References are sprinkled around in various places, from the Chant of Light to Fenris' tattoos. 

 

"Lyrium is the king of metals. Beneath our feet, it sings. When properly refined, it is a smooth, slightly iridescent, silvery liquid."

-Codex, Lyrium

 

"A hundred chosen acolytes brought lyrium

Enough to drown a city in chiming silver"

-Chant of Light, Silence 2:2

 

The possible correlation with mercury is most obvious in its effect on those who handle it, with lyrium poisoning mirroring many of the effects of mercury poisoning.  There's also a suggestive parallel in the medical problems of those exposed as an occupational hazard.  "Lyrium-touched" dwarves seem to share quite a bit in common with real-world Mad Hatter disease: the memory problems, the irrational mood swings, and so on.

 

This parallel is extended by what we find following the Calpernia route in game- specifically, the use of mercury in developing the earliest real-world computer memory storage devices.  This may be the critical connection explaining how lyrium in various forms (from the Shaperate wall to elvhen runes to the crystal devices we find following her path) serve to "hold" data, or memories, within.   Our meeting with Erasthenes underscores the idea, as when we first find him he's muttering to himself:  "The light. Light the... the burner. Add a teaspoon of cinnabar..."  a direct reference to how mercury was extracted in the middle ages: crushed cinnabar ore heated in rotary furnaces.

 

On the other hand though, Fenris' tattoos seem to be silver when inactive, but (I think?) they flare blue when activated.       Stop me if that's not right.   It doesn't fit as nicely into the prismatic theory I touched on earlier, but it's entirely possible that silver and blue lyrium are essentially the same thing- the difference being a matter of purity or mana activation.

[Elessara]

As far as I can tell, the purest form of the stuff seems to be a silver liquid, though it may be the same as 'inactive' blue lyrium.   (And as a side note, it seems to map very strongly, in form and effect, with real-world mercury- aka "quicksilver".)  References are sprinkled around in various places, from the Chant of Light to Fenris' tattoos. 

 

"Lyrium is the king of metals. Beneath our feet, it sings. When properly refined, it is a smooth, slightly iridescent, silvery liquid."

-Codex, Lyrium

 

"A hundred chosen acolytes brought lyrium

Enough to drown a city in chiming silver"

-Chant of Light, Silence 2:2

 

The possible correlation with mercury is most obvious in its effect on those who handle it, with lyrium poisoning mirroring many of the effects of mercury poisoning.  There's also a suggestive parallel in the medical problems of those exposed as an occupational hazard.  "Lyrium-touched" dwarves seem to share quite a bit in common with real-world Mad Hatter disease: the memory problems, the irrational mood swings, and so on.

 

This parallel is extended by what we find following the Calpernia route in game- specifically, the critical use of mercury in developing the earliest real-world computer memory storage devices.  This may be the critical connection explaining how lyrium in various forms (from the Shaperate wall to elvhen runes to the crystal devices we find following her path) serve to "hold" data, or memories, within.   Our meeting with Erasthenes underscores the idea, as when we first find him he's muttering to himself:  "The light. Light the... the burner. Add a teaspoon of cinnabar..."  a direct reference to how mercury was extracted in the middle ages: crushed cinnabar ore heated in rotary furnaces.

 

On the other hand though, Fenris' tattoos seem to be silver when inactive, but (I think?) they flare blue when activated.       Stop me if that's not right.   It doesn't fit as nicely into the prismatic theory I touched on earlier, but it's entirely possible that silver and blue lyrium are essentially the same thing- the difference being a matter of purity or mana activation.

 

Interesting!  Although, my gut feeling is that silver and blue lyrium are supposed to be the same thing.  I'm not sure there's intended to be a ton of different colours of lyrium which is why the red lyrium was such a big thing.  But I haven't done any actual research into the lore on this subject, it's just a feeling I have.  So I could be completely wrong.

[Avejajed]

I'm on my phone so can't easily go back and check but was there one ounce of red lyrium anywhere in those pictures or the releases trailer? Because I see only blue.

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Ulv Elskeren]

I'm on my phone so can't easily go back and check but was there one ounce of red lyrium anywhere in those pictures or the releases trailer? Because I see only blue.

 

Not a scrap, as far as I could see.  I thought the stuff in the background here might be a bit at first, but on second look I think it's just an odd mineral formation with warm/lava lighting.

[Avejajed]

Well that seems odd to me, because really one of the major issues in dragon age is the danger of the red lyrium. I wonder if we just aren't seeing it in the images we've been given on account of too spoilery.

[Elessara]

Well that seems odd to me, because really one of the major issues in dragon age is the danger of the red lyrium. I wonder if we just aren't seeing it in the images we've been given on account of too spoilery.

 

I think part of the problem of red lyrium is how (and how quickly) it can spread.  Perhaps it just hasn't spread to where we'll go in the dlc?  I don't know, really but even if it's not in the dlc I'm fairly sure it'll still be an issue in future games.  I would be annoyed if it wasn't.

[laurelinvanyar]

As far as I can tell, the purest form of the stuff seems to be a silver liquid, though it may be the same as 'inactive' blue lyrium.   (And as a side note, it seems to map very strongly, in form and effect, with real-world mercury- aka "quicksilver".)  References are sprinkled around in various places, from the Chant of Light to Fenris' tattoos. 

 

"Lyrium is the king of metals. Beneath our feet, it sings. When properly refined, it is a smooth, slightly iridescent, silvery liquid."

-Codex, Lyrium

 

"A hundred chosen acolytes brought lyrium

Enough to drown a city in chiming silver"

-Chant of Light, Silence 2:2

 

The possible correlation with mercury is most obvious in its effect on those who handle it, with lyrium poisoning mirroring many of the effects of mercury poisoning.  There's also a suggestive parallel in the medical problems of those exposed as an occupational hazard.  "Lyrium-touched" dwarves seem to share quite a bit in common with real-world Mad Hatter disease: the memory problems, the irrational mood swings, and so on.

 

This parallel is extended by what we find following the Calpernia route in game- specifically, the critical use of mercury in developing the earliest real-world computer memory storage devices.  This may be the critical connection explaining how lyrium in various forms (from the Shaperate wall to elvhen runes to the crystal devices we find following her path) serve to "hold" data, or memories, within.   Our meeting with Erasthenes underscores the idea, as when we first find him he's muttering to himself:  "The light. Light the... the burner. Add a teaspoon of cinnabar..."  a direct reference to how mercury was extracted in the middle ages: crushed cinnabar ore heated in rotary furnaces.

 

On the other hand though, Fenris' tattoos seem to be silver when inactive, but (I think?) they flare blue when activated.       Stop me if that's not right.   It doesn't fit as nicely into the prismatic theory I touched on earlier, but it's entirely possible that silver and blue lyrium are essentially the same thing- the difference being a matter of purity or mana activation.

You've clearly thought about this a lot. I'd really like to agree with you on this because I have a similar mindset, I think. I'd like to think that there is a reasonable explanation for all this beauteous lore, and that I can make real-life connections. I'd like to think the devs took the time to research while world building and tried to keep Thedas fairly scientifically accurate, or at least logical. 

 

Unfortunately, I don't think the writers have thought about what lyrium actually is as deeply as you have. The symptoms of lyrium withdrawal are...whatever they write it to be. So while lyrium and mercury can have similar side effects, there's really no way to say if it's a true correlation or not. 

 

Thank you for clarifying what you mean by "silver lyrium". In the future I would be careful making that reference without letting people know about your underlying theory, though. 

[midnight tea]

Well that seems odd to me, because really one of the major issues in dragon age is the danger of the red lyrium. I wonder if we just aren't seeing it in the images we've been given on account of too spoilery.

 

Maybe the team is so deep underground that the corrupting influence of Corypheus doesn't reach that far. Or maybe there's something that protects (in some way) that lyrium from Blight's corrupting influence, at least to a degree.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Interesting!  Although, my gut feeling is that silver and blue lyrium are supposed to be the same thing.  I'm not sure there's intended to be a ton of different colours of lyrium which is why the red lyrium was such a big thing.  But I haven't done any actual research into the lore on this subject, it's just a feeling I have.  So I could be completely wrong.

 

As long as they don't go the kryptonite route with lyrium, I'll be happy 

[S.W.]

[snips]

 

My team for this dungeon will be Solas, Cole, Blackwall and Lavellan.

 

As for the rest, Varric will complain too much about being in the Deep Roads again. Dorian complains if he is not in a tavern or a library. Iron Bull might be cool with Dwarves, because Mayhem so he can be a potential backup. Sera doesn't like the Deep Roads either. I don't know how Cassandra feels about the Deep Roads but I doubt she likes the place.

 

So Blackwall, Solas, Cole & Lavellan.

 

That's my favourite thing about Dorian. Man after my own heart

 

In terms of teams, I'm likely to play this post-game. I played Hakkon pre-final battle, as the last thing my Lavellan did, taking Cole, Solas, and Cass with her. I think I managed to trigger literally all their dialogue, including awkward break-up conversations twice - my Lavellan was trying to be "mature" about the whole thing and bring Cole + Solas as if to prove she could handle this break-up to herself. The effect was - well, sort of as I intended, heart-breaking, especially after I found out about Ameridan and Telana, boyyyy.

 

I think storywise I reckon I'll tackle this one without Solas for that reason. Likely she'll take the most level-headed teammates as a direct contrast to that playthrough - so Iron Bull, Varric, and Cassandra/Blackwall, depending on whether I think the failed grey warden will have something interesting to say about the deep roads, or whether Cassandra might have any interesting interactions with Varric. 

[Ulv Elskeren]

Maybe the team is so deep underground that the corrupting influence of Corypheus doesn't reach that far. Or maybe there's something that protects (in some way) that lyrium from Blight's corrupting influence, at least to a degree.

 

In Last Flight, we find out that blight can be drawn from (embryonic?) living tissue by another being taking the corruption into themselves.  It's possible that the source of the Kal-Sharok dwarves' taint is exactly that: sacrificing themselves to keep the Stone pure.  No blight, no red lyrium.

[laurelinvanyar]

Maybe the team is so deep underground that the corrupting influence of Corypheus doesn't reach that far. Or maybe there's something that protects (in some way) that lyrium from Blight's corrupting influence, at least to a degree.

I don't think red lyrium is made just by "Well you have darkspawn and you have lyrium and boom!" taint happens. Otherwise all the lyrium in the deep roads would all have been turned red by now. Imshael needs certain temperature conditions and plenty of bodies to make it grow. 

[Renmiri1]

:| IDK. no smut allowed here anymore.

 

but under the table...who would you like. 

WHAT ?????

 

when did that happen O.o

[MoonDrummer]

WHAT ?????

 

when did that happen O.o

When the fire nation attacked.

[midnight tea]

I don't think red lyrium is made just by "Well you have darkspawn and you have lyrium and boom!" taint happens. Otherwise all the lyrium in the deep roads would all have been turned red by now. Imshael needs certain temperature conditions and plenty of bodies to make it grow. 

 

Um, this is why I said "corrupting influence of Corypheus" - typical darkspawn don't seem to have an ability to corrupt lyrium into red one. Corypheus? Oh yes.

[laurelinvanyar]

Um, this is why I said "corrupting influence of Corypheus" - typical darkspawn don't seem to have an ability to corrupt lyrium into red one. Corypheus? Oh yes.

Oh I saw But there are plenty of not-so-deep roads that are still uncorrupted.