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[drosophila]

Only 5 sleeps till Tuesday as I tell my daughter..!

So soon? I've so much to play through on my current canon run I was also hoping to make some progress in DAO, all this talk about darkspawn broodmother and architects is very unclear to me.

[midnight tea]

Only 5 sleeps till Tuesday as I tell my daughter..! 

 

I just hope Europe will get to buy this DLC at the same time (or not that much later) that those across the ocean^^;

[Cee]

I just hope Europe will get to buy this DLC at the same time (or not that much later) than those across the ocean^^;

 

Yes, Tuesday release, except EU PS4 will get it Wednesday due to update schedules.

[S.W.]

You know, Solas and Vivienne's banters are one of my favorite banters in Inquisition.

 

I do wonder though, how would Vivienne would react when she finds out the Solas is an Elven God of Rebellion ?

 

Shock ? Surprise ? Admiration ? Would she suddenly cozy up to him ? I mean this is a woman who craves power after all.

 

Vivienne is such a down-to-earth woman that I kind of doubt she'd be able to believe it. I reckon that prior to the Temple of Mythal, she probably had no interest in the elven pantheon whatsoever, let alone any kind of belief that anything so fanciful could be real (in fairness, the Dalish do rewrite elvish history to sound much more like folk tales).

 

Given a significant amount of proof though, she'd be smart enough not to doubt it. I suspect she'd probably have a newfound respect for the man - although probably wonder why a supposed deity dresses down so much (literally and figuratively). Vivienne's a believer in striving for success and not apologising for your gains (although, Viv wasn't born with power and has to work hard to accomplish it, which is likely where that belief comes from - I'm not sure we can say the same of Solas, I can't see him being anything but nobleborn).

[Illyria]

Question: are the spoils DLCs worth it? I'm kinda tired of the regular armor and I want my inquis to look fabulous for the darkspawn later on.

 

I'd say yes.  It's nice to get some new armours.  But the Qunari ones are bugged on Qunari characters.

[Elessara]

I'd say yes.  It's nice to get some new armours.  But the Qunari ones are bugged on Qunari characters.

 

That's ... ironic?  Amusing at the very least.

 

But I agree, it's nice to see something different.

[coldwetn0se]

I admit to liking what I have now coined the "mudpuppy armor" (cuz it's mud armor, and looks good on Solas....wolf.....puppy...ummm. ), you can get in the Spoils of the Avvar. The other armor however, looks like one is tying their bedroll around their midsection (well, on males, at least - it's not so bad on females).

I am waiting on the qunari one, since I really did want it for the qunari PC's I have planned. And Bull. It's a no-go, if it doesn't get fixed for them. (though there is no denying that Sera can rock the mage wear, from the Spoils of Qunari )

[Cee]

  - I'm not sure we can say the same of Solas, I can't see him being anything but nobleborn).

 

Solas does tell tales of boyhood in a village, which may not be true, but it might be. Leliana's men did find that the village he mentioned was now an old ruin, so I'm inclined to believe there's some truth to the tale. That and his whole 'not gods' as most people understand the term. There's definitely much we don't know.

[Lord Gunsmith 90]

Hopefully will find out the truth about him in the thrid and most likely final DLC.

[Cee]

I admit to liking what I have now coined the "mudpuppy armor" (cuz it's mud armor, and looks good on Solas....wolf.....puppy...ummm. ), you can get in the Spoils of the Avvar. The other armor however, looks like one is tying their bedroll around their midsection (well, on males, at least - it's not so bad on females).

I am waiting on the qunari one, since I really did want it for the qunari PC's I have planned. And Bull. It's a no-go, if it doesn't get fixed for them. (though there is no denying that Sera can rock the mage wear, from the Spoils of Qunari )

 

Sera looks so good in the qunari armor.

 

Dorian, iMO, looks the best in that armor on the men's side of things.

[MoonDrummer]

I'm not sure we can say the same of Solas, I can't see him being anything but nobleborn).

I don't know, I see Solas' story as going from a commoner in that village he says he grew up in, eventually gets elevated for one reason or another, before he gets dissatisfied with the amount of change he can make and turning radical. 

 

Just headcanon of course.

[drosophila]

Vivienne is such a down-to-earth woman that I kind of doubt she'd be able to believe it. I reckon that prior to the Temple of Mythal, she probably had no interest in the elven pantheon whatsoever, let alone any kind of belief that anything so fanciful could be real (in fairness, the Dalish do rewrite elvish history to sound much more like folk tales).

 

Given a significant amount of proof though, she'd be smart enough not to doubt it. I suspect she'd probably have a newfound respect for the man - although probably wonder why a supposed deity dresses down so much (literally and figuratively). Vivienne's a believer in striving for success and not apologising for your gains (although, Viv wasn't born with power and has to work hard to accomplish it, which is likely where that belief comes from - I'm not sure we can say the same of Solas, I can't see him being anything but nobleborn).

 

I think she'd be more interested in his magic. It would matter to her that he's not an apostate but a highly trained mage from a culture with very powerful magic most of which has been lost. I reckon she would ask him a lot of questions but there would still be lots of bickering on theory and technique, and they would never agree on the proper way to cleanse a staff. (Am I the only one who enjoyed all the arguing about magical techniques between Solas, Dorian, and Vivienne? Those were so much alike of the kind of technical minutia people argue about in science all the time.)

 

As for the Godhood itself, I don't think it would have much impact on her. Vivienne's all about worldly things and as soon as she realizes that he would be of no use to her in the Game, she would treat him with the same courteous coldness she has demonstrated so far, minus any comments on him being an apostate nobody. 

 

If however he is doing something that goes against Thedas or the Inquisiton, she would take him seriously as a threat and deal with him with no hesitation. I imagine if the IQ is ever given a choice whether to kill Solas or not, her advice would be one of the msot pragmatic. "He used to be an ally, now he's an enemy, it's time to discard him."

 

I don't think Solas is nobleborn. He tells the IQ the whole story about being born in a small village, and he never lies directly, so this might be how he started out. Unless one of those theories that he is in a mortal body that is being posessed by Fen'Harel are true. 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

I believe Fen'Harel / Solas gets chosen and elevated to godhood due to Mythal.

 

In the beginning they only had Elgar'nan and Mythal. Both of them had sex and the resulting union created Falon'Din, Dirthamen and Andruil. Andruil took a lover, Ghilan'nain and elevated her to godhood.

 

From what we know, the children of Elgar'nan and Mythal all turned out to be bad eggs, each one causing one screwup after another. Perhaps due to this disappointment in her offspring, Mythal could have chosen Fen'Harel as a foster son of sorts or chose to mentor him and later elevated him.

 

This would explain Fen'Harel's relatively commoner-esque birthplace. That might also explain why Fen'Harel views Mythal as a mother-like figure as well as a friend. Because she actually was once.

[nikki-tikki]

I believe Fen'Harel / Solas gets chosen and elevated to godhood due to Mythal.

 

In the beginning they only had Elgar'nan and Mythal. Both of them had sex and the resulting union created Falon'Din, Dirthamen and Andruil. Andruil took a lover, Ghilan'nain and elevated her to godhood.

 

From what we know, the children of Elgar'nan and Mythal all turned out to be bad eggs, each one causing one screwup after another. Perhaps due to this disappointment in her offspring, Mythal could have chosen Fen'Harel as a foster son of sorts or chose to mentor him and later elevated him.

 

This would explain Fen'Harel's relatively commoner-esque birthplace. That might also explain why Fen'Harel views Mythal as a mother-like figure as well as a friend. Because she actually was once.

 

Except there is no actual proof that they are related by blood...

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Except there is no actual proof that they are related by blood...

 

From the Codex of Dirthamen: The twins Falon'Din and Dirthamen are the eldest children of Elgar'nan the All-Father and Mythal the Protector. The brothers were inseparable from the moment of their conception, known for their great love for each other. That is why we often speak of Falon'Din in one breath and Dirthamen the next, for they cannot bear to be apart, not even in our tales.

 

From the Codex of Andruil: Andruil is the Elven Goddess of the Hunt, known also as "blood and force" and the "great hunter." Some legends paint Andruil as a daughter of Elgar'nan and Mythal while others suggest she is a child of the earth.

 

This could easily be like the Norse Gods or Greek Gods or the Hindu Deities. After all, if we accept Fen'Harel's words as true, then the Elven "gods" are extremely powerful Elven dreamers / mages. They can have sex and reproduce. Notice the "from the moment of conception" part. I don't know of magic which can just create life out of nowhere to exist in Thedas. Which means biological reproduction serves to be the most likely chain that links them.

[mewliz]

i wish ther was solas dlc coming out

[Elessara]

From the Codex of Dirthamen: The twins Falon'Din and Dirthamen are the eldest children of Elgar'nan the All-Father and Mythal the Protector. The brothers were inseparable from the moment of their conception, known for their great love for each other. That is why we often speak of Falon'Din in one breath and Dirthamen the next, for they cannot bear to be apart, not even in our tales.

 

From the Codex of Andruil: Andruil is the Elven Goddess of the Hunt, known also as "blood and force" and the "great hunter." Some legends paint Andruil as a daughter of Elgar'nan and Mythal while others suggest she is a child of the earth.

 

This could easily be like the Norse Gods or Greek Gods or the Hindu Deities. After all, if we accept Fen'Harel's words as true, then the Elven "gods" are extremely powerful Elven dreamers / mages. They can have sex and reproduce. Notice the "from the moment of conception" part. I don't know of magic which can just create life out of nowhere to exist in Thedas. Which means biological reproduction serves to be the most likely chain that links them.

 

I would take those with a grain of salt though.  Not only are Codex entries not always correct as they are seen from an "in game" perspective but also those are from the Dalish tales of the elven gods, which may very well be wildly inaccurate.

[nikki-tikki]

From the Codex of Dirthamen: The twins Falon'Din and Dirthamen are the eldest children of Elgar'nan the All-Father and Mythal the Protector. The brothers were inseparable from the moment of their conception, known for their great love for each other. That is why we often speak of Falon'Din in one breath and Dirthamen the next, for they cannot bear to be apart, not even in our tales.

 

From the Codex of Andruil: Andruil is the Elven Goddess of the Hunt, known also as "blood and force" and the "great hunter." Some legends paint Andruil as a daughter of Elgar'nan and Mythal while others suggest she is a child of the earth.

 

This could easily be like the Norse Gods or Greek Gods or the Hindu Deities. After all, if we accept Fen'Harel's words as true, then the Elven "gods" are extremely powerful Elven dreamers / mages. They can have sex and reproduce. Notice the "from the moment of conception" part. I don't know of magic which can just create life out of nowhere to exist in Thedas. Which means biological reproduction serves to be the most likely chain that links them.

 

Yes. Let's believe the Dalish's take on history and the elven gods...cause they've been so right about everything else.

 

 

The fact that the Dalish were completely wrong about Fen'harel, and vallaslin, and they speak next to no actual elvish, these codex entries are most likely just as wrong as the ones about Andraste and the Chantry. Conception could have been their rise to godhood. I seriously doubt that everyone is related. Because it would definitely be some freaky Borgias ****...

[midnight tea]

Am I the only one who enjoyed all the arguing about magical techniques between Solas, Dorian, and Vivienne?

 

No, you're not the only one! I love it when they just casually discuss magic and techniques and especially when Solas and Vivienne tease one another about magical flubs

 

Vivienne: Te-hee! You've set your coat-tails on fire!

Solas: *turns red* Well, you've front-loaded your barrier!

 

I want more of this!

Also, it provides an interesting insight into their magical skills. Solas, apparently, is very good at healing and creating wards and barriers, while still may need to work on offensive spells, while Vivienne may be the opposite.

[S.W.]

Solas does tell tales of boyhood in a village, which may not be true, but it might be. Leliana's men did find that the village he mentioned was now an old ruin, so I'm inclined to believe there's some truth to the tale. That and his whole 'not gods' as most people understand the term. There's definitely much we don't know.

 

I think that's definitely true, although that doesn't necessarily discount him being noble - if the elven system is anything like the feudal system (which it might not be, of course!), he could be from the family of the small-time lord or baron who owns most of the land. I mean, you only have to look around all the old estates and castles lying around in rural England to know that nobles often lived in multiple different places, rural and urban. That he could have been brought up in a small village is very possible at the same time as being in the upper stratum of society.

 

Either way, I'm just hazarding a guess based on the fact that I reckon the pantheon was originally the top layer of some kind of hierarchy, which then somehow became known to be gods in their lifetime. I'm also guessing on Solas' confidence in his own opinion - compare him to Sera, who has a massive chip on her shoulder - likely means he wasn't a commoner. Confidence is one of the biggest tells of someone's background.

 

This could all be rubbish, of course - elven society may not have any kind of hierarchy or division between free citizens at all in the way southern Thedas currently does between rich/poor and landowners/peasants. I fully accept that. It's just a vague hunch on my part really

[drosophila]

Yes. Let's believe the Dalish's take on history and the elven gods...cause they've been so right about everything else.

 

 

The fact that the Dalish were completely wrong about Fen'harel, and vallaslin, and they speak next to no actual elvish, these codex entries are most likely just as wrong as the ones about Andraste and the Chantry. Conception could have been their rise to godhood. I seriously doubt that everyone is related. Because it would definitely be some freaky Borgias ****...

 

As an aside, I am very bothered by the idea of an immortal race that keeps reproducing. In several thousand years humans have crowded the Earth, and we have a finite lifespan while Earth seems larger than Thedas. A few accidental deaths would not be able to compensate for the huge population growth rate. There must've been a lot of war going on or children were extremely rare.

 

Although... This also means that Mythal and Elgar'nan by themselves could populate the entire Elvhenan with only their descendants in a few centuries. Mythal would literally be the all-mother.

[drosophila]

No, you're not the only one! I love it when they just casually discuss magic and techniques and especially when Solas and Vivienne tease one another about magical flubs

 

Vivienne: Te-hee! You've set your coat-tails on fire!

Solas: *turns red* Well, you've front-loaded your barrier!

 

I want more of this!

Also, it provides an interesting insight into their magical skills. Solas, apparently, is very good at healing and creating wards and barriers, while still may need to work on offensive spells, while Vivienne may be the opposite.

 

Oh, that coat-tail banter was my favorite! Also agree on Solas' abilities. We also know from Sera that he can be a bit slow with his magic on the field. I see him as a brilliant theoretician and a perfectionist who would take the extra time to cast the spell just the right way, which is generally not the best strategy when it comes to practical casting in combat. 

[drosophila]

I'm also guessing on Solas' confidence in his own opinion - compare him to Sera, who has a massive chip on her shoulder - likely means he wasn't a commoner. Confidence is one of the biggest tells of someone's background.

Not going to argue the rest, we really have no way to know, but IMO Sera is the one who is always so confident in her opinion, she comes across as hard-headed sometimes. Solas is much more open to alternate viewpoints than her and on a few small occasions admits to being proven wrong.

He does have an air of nobility about him, but it might be that all elvhen were classy like that in the past, we've only seen one other ancient elf, so there's very little to compare.

EDIT: Sorry for multiple back to back posts, I'm on the road and on my phone, so it's very hard to format everything properly.

[Uirebhiril]

Not going to argue the rest, we really have no way to know, but IMO Sera is the one who is always so confident in her opinion, she comes across as hard-headed sometimes. Solas is much more open to alternate viewpoints than her and on a few small occasions admits to being proven wrong.
 

 

I always felt Sera is that way because to be wrong is something too terrifying to consider for her. She has to be right and that's why she doesn't back down. Doing so would take her to uncomfortable places. Not for everything, obviously, but my experience with overly stubborn people is that they have to cling to their version of things or their whole world and identity will crumble around them. Thus she sometimes comes out with fists swinging and a strong refusal to believe what is right in front of her.

[S.W.]

Not going to argue the rest, we really have no way to know, but IMO Sera is the one who is always so confident in her opinion, she comes across as hard-headed sometimes. Solas is much more open to alternate viewpoints than her and on a few small occasions admits to being proven wrong.

He does have an air of nobility about him, but it might be that all elvhen were classy like that in the past, we've only seen one other ancient elf, so there's very little to compare.

EDIT: Sorry for multiple back to back posts, I'm on the road and on my phone, so it's very hard to format everything properly.

 

Eh, being stubborn isn't precisely the same as being confident. I'm thinking less of how flexible/inflexible they are and more their general demeanour. If anything, Sera's stubborn defiance of the norms expected of her and her refusal to be wrong is likely an indicator of insecurity on her part.

 

Also, what Uirebhril said, too.