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[Delphine]

i wish ther was solas dlc coming out

 

Don't we all? We've been waiting for so long~

[BoscoBread]

@Uirebhiril - Yes.  That's how I always viewed Sera and why I was more willing to sort of forgive THAT. She is truly afraid of what it means if she is wrong and I think a part of her knows she is.  She's scared.  She thinks things simple. She believes in what she sees and what she can kill.  When something is bigger than her.  Needs a complicated answer...she gets scared.  I understand that.  Now she does need to grow up but I pitied her a bit.

 

Regarding the Falon'Din/Dirthamen - I always viewed Mythal as the mother FIGURE. The mother of the pantheon. Her and Elgarnan bringing them together.   The ones that referred to her children...they may have been the first that she "rose up" to god-hood. Brought into the fold.  But I don't think she bore children...at least not any in the pantheon.  She is often depicted with her 4 "children"; June, Sylaise, Dirthamen/Falon'Din.  There is a huge question of whether June is even an elf.  June is often depicted with an anvil and hammer - which is not an elven tool. That's dwarven. And his mythology indicates that he created himself. I think he was like a proto-paragon.  This is all speculation but I think there is a lot of doubt of the pantheon was an actual blood family enough where I say...no.  

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Oh, that coat-tail banter was my favorite! Also agree on Solas' abilities. We also know from Sera that he can be a bit slow with his magic on the field. I see him as a brilliant theoretician and a perfectionist who would take the extra time to cast the spell just the right way, which is generally not the best strategy when it comes to practical casting in combat. 

 

You can see this reflected in his general magical skills as well as magical specialization. For starters, most mages do not typically take the time to study the Fade or its beings extensively. Most are content with fire,ice and lightning.

 

What's more, if you look at the Rift Mage skill tree, you will notice that it has a higher skill cap than Knight Enchanter. By this I mean you need more skill points to get the most out of the Rift Mage tree than you do with the Knight Enchanter. Solas even says that he spent years to learn the specialization and we, the Inquisitor can get a crash course of it due to the Mark, which comes from Solas' orb. However, a highly skilled Rift Mage can decimate large areas very quickly without running out of mana while the Knight Enchanter have to deal with enemies on an individual basis or a small group.

 

Lastly is the non combat magical spells that Solas display in game. Notice that he is the mage companion that uses the most amount of non combat magical spells in cutscenes. When he helps Cole in his personal quest, in his own personal quest, removing Lavellan's vallaslin, lighting the blue fire after Haven's destruction, absorbing Flemeth's power, making Cole forget about him, etc. Very few other mage even do any non-combat magical spells. Vivienne does it once in the dinner party where we meet her and Dorian does it twice when dealing with Alexius' time magic amulet.

 

So yes, Solas is a bit slow when it comes to combat magic. However, when it comes to magic as a whole, he is far superior to the other mages we have on the Inquisition team. He simply knows a lot more.

 

If we used the DAO spell systems, I am sure Solas' spell list will come from Entropy, Spirit and Arcane, instead of Primal.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

@Uirebhiril - Yes.  That's how I always viewed Sera and why I was more willing to sort of forgive THAT. She is truly afraid of what it means if she is wrong and I think a part of her knows she is.  She's scared.  She thinks things simple. She believes in what she sees and what she can kill.  When something is bigger than her.  Needs a complicated answer...she gets scared.  I understand that.  Now she does need to grow up but I pitied her a bit.

 

Regarding the Falon'Din/Dirthamen - I always viewed Mythal as the mother FIGURE. The mother of the pantheon. Her and Elgarnan bringing them together.   The ones that referred to her children...they may have been the first that she "rose up" to god-hood. Brought into the fold.  But I don't think she bore children...at least not any in the pantheon.  She is often depicted with her 4 "children"; June, Sylaise, Dirthamen/Falon'Din.  There is a huge question of whether June is even an elf.  June is often depicted with an anvil and hammer - which is not an elven tool. That's dwarven. And his mythology indicates that he created himself. I think he was like a proto-paragon.  This is all speculation but I think there is a lot of doubt of the pantheon was an actual blood family enough where I say...no.  

 

You might be right with the non-biological Elven god hypothesis. However, I stand by the idea that Mythal took in Fen'Harel after being disappointed in her other charges turning out to be rotten.

[Avejajed]

Don't we all? We've been waiting for so long~

 

Not me. Stupid Solas! I hate him.

[Elessara]

Not me. Stupid Solas! I hate him.

 

These words, they cut me so deeply.  My world is shattered.  My life is ruined.  WHY AVE, WHY?!

 

Yes, this is sarcasm.

[Ulv Elskeren]

You've just painted a target on your back for me to throw all of the lore things that occur to me for you to explain them. 

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 I don't have anything resembling a coherent theory!   Just increasingly insane fragments, courtesy of the DLC drought.       

 

You make some interesting points, though.  It's a stretch, but possible that the power of red lyrium in Kirkwall could be a consequence of how very, very thin the veil was there.  The thinner the veil, to more easily lyrium (and red lyrium) can warp reality around itself.   I also think the red stuff may have a particulary dramatic effect on dwarves relative to other sentient life.  Humans can detect that it 'sings' differently and ingesting it makes them undeniably crazy, but if Bartrand is any indication, dwarves risk becoming obsessed- almost compelled to seek it out once they've been exposed.   Varric's relatively mild reaction (though he's still able to hear it at times Hawke can't) makes me wonder whether the compulsion might be linked to Stone sense.  Unlike Bertrand, he was born on the surface and so never spent any significant time in Orzammar, never mind the Deep Roads. 

 

Dagna worries me a bit, on that front.  I trust her with my life, but her insistence that she "needs to see" in the late game starts to feel a bit... obsessive.  Plus the doodles of fire and flowers.      So many red flags.

 

Anyway, I think I've changed my mind about the elfiness of the underground forest shot.  It seems to be the same place as the lyrium golem encounter, which has a distinctly dwarven aesthetic up close:

 

Spoiler

 

 Since I might as well wrap this up with insanity, I'm just going to throw out here that the older the dwarven architecture we encounter gets, the more it starts looking like technology to me.  Add in that the Blood of the Earth may be a liquid metal, that dragon bone is referred to as a "metal" in one of the codices, and Gatsi's suggestion that the Hundred Pillars are made of a very hard unknown composite, and I go right off the deep end with ME connections.  

[Bayonet Hipshot]

*snip*

 

That is one of the reasons I am very excited about this DLC. We have had our fill with magic spellcasting. Give us techno-magic !

[midnight tea]

That is one of the reasons I am very excited about this DLC. We have had our fill with magic spellcasting. Give us techno-magic !

 

.... Just please, BW, don't make it so we find out that elves are actually aliens (they already kinda look alien-ish though >.>'''). I'm not really sure how I'd feel about an idea that they might've arrived on Thedas in spaceships

[Elessara]

That is one of the reasons I am very excited about this DLC. We have had our fill with magic spellcasting. Give us techno-magic !

 

Eh, tbh I would prefer it if they kept Thedas low technology.  Things start to get weird (to me) when they add in technology and magic together.  Also, magic and technology tend to do similar things (or attempt to produce similar effects), thus making one or the other redundant.

[Avejajed]

These words, they cut me so deeply.  My world is shattered.  My life is ruined.  WHY AVE, WHY?!

 

Yes, this is sarcasm.

 

[Caddius]

Curious, does anyone think that the one who returns in Sandals prophecy is actually Solas, others have said its the inquisitor, but mines a lady and she hasn't returned from anywhere, whereas Solas - aka Fen'harel has awoken from sleep. Dying to see a dlc about pre-history of Ancient Elven society before and after civil war. Solas is the best villain to date in dragon age universe.

 

Curious, does anyone think that the one who returns in Sandals prophecy is actually Solas, others have said its the inquisitor, but mines a lady and she hasn't returned from anywhere, whereas Solas - aka Fen'harel has awoken from sleep. Dying to see a dlc about pre-history of Ancient Elven society before and after civil war. Solas is the best villain to date in dragon age universe.

I don't consider Solas a villain. Not even much of an antagonist at this point.

I do, however, think he's one of the standing candidates for 'when he rises, everyone will see'.

[Elessara]

I don't consider Solas a villain. Not even much of an antagonist at this point.

I do, however, think he's one of the standing candidates for 'when he rises, everyone will see'.

 

I'm also curious about THIS bit:  "One day the magic will come back - all of it. Everyone will be just like they were."

 

All the magic will come back?  Everyone will be just like they were?  WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?!

[Avejajed]

I'm also curious about THIS bit:  "One day the magic will come back - all of it. Everyone will be just like they were."

 

All the magic will come back?  Everyone will be just like they were?  WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?!

 

YEAH WE ARE GONNA LET THE WEIRD LYRIUM OUT AND FIND OUT ALL ABOUT THE TITANS AND HOW THEY ARE CONNECTED TO THE ELVISH OLD GODS AND OH MY GOD AOSKJFDSA:DLFKJASLFKJ.

 

Well maybe not, but still. Hype.

[LadyKarrakaz]

I'm also curious about THIS bit:  "One day the magic will come back - all of it. Everyone will be just like they were."

 

All the magic will come back?  Everyone will be just like they were?  WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?!

Like before the veil was created. Everything was magic.

[Sabriel.]

Eh, tbh I would prefer it if they kept Thedas low technology.  Things start to get weird (to me) when they add in technology and magic together.  Also, magic and technology tend to do similar things (or attempt to produce similar effects), thus making one or the other redundant.

Me too! I had a kneejerk "No!" reaction just talking to the surgeon and hearing that you don't need magic but science, and such. Then she mentioned a "balance of the humors" and I felt better because oh, we're still there, are we.

 

I'm weird and want my science in Mass Effect things and magic in my Dragon Age ones. One reason I'm looking forward to Solas bringing all the sexy magic back or whatever.

[midnight tea]

Me too! I had a kneejerk "No!" reaction just talking to the surgeon and hearing that you don't need magic but science, and such. Then she mentioned a "balance of the humors" and I felt better because oh, we're still there, are we.

 

I'm weird and want my science in Mass Effect things and magic in my Dragon Age ones. One reason I'm looking forward to Solas bringing all the sexy magic back or whatever.

 

I think what the surgeon meant by "balance of humors" is not any sort of weird non-scientific concept, but something akin to good mental health.

 

And, to be FAIR, science in Thedas would involve magic and magical studies - if magic is part of the world and it can be tested, then it is part of science. In fact, mages are oftentimes portrayed as fantasy world's equivalents of scientists.

[Caddius]

I think what the surgeon meant by "balance of humors" is not any sort of weird non-scientific concept, but something akin to good mental health.

 

And, to be FAIR, science in Thedas would involve magic and magical studies - if magic is part of the world and it can be tested, then it is part of science. In fact, mages are oftentimes portrayed as fantasy world's equivalents of scientists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humorism

Good physical health, too. 

I'm not sure if I'd call it baby science or non-scientific.

[Uirebhiril]

I think what the surgeon meant by "balance of humors" is not any sort of weird non-scientific concept, but something akin to good mental health.

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humorism

 

It did sound exactly as it sounded.

 

Damn! Ninja'd by the same source. Curse you, Caddius!

[The Oracle]

Oh, I just figured that with the humors, she meant the whole, Black bile, yellow bile, blood and (forget the last one) and how they all have to be "balanced" in the body. each is meant to be linked to an element, like earth and air and water (again, this is going by my memory of reading about this years ago). In the end up, most people would be worse off for treatment than better, with people regularly being bled to keep the "excess" blood in balance. Or worse, trepanning, to ease headaches.

 

"Oh, your head hurts? Here, let me drill a hole in it. That'll make things better."

 

I remember reading that people who suffered from migranes back then, would often have several holes in their heads from "treatment". That they survived it though, is even more impressive.

 

[EDIT] Oh, links above more helpful ^.^ And I was missing phlegm. Oh how could I overlook that lovely excretion?

[Elessara]

Oh, I just figured that with the humors, she meant the whole, Black bile, yellow bile, blood ad (forget the last one) and how they all have to be "balanced" in the body. each is meant to be linked to an element, like earth and air and water (again, this is going by my memory of reading about this years ago). In the end up, most people would be worse off for treatment than better, with people regularly being bled to keep the "excess" blood in balance. Or worse, trepanning, to ease headaches.

 

"Oh, your head hurts? Here, let me drill a hole in it. That'll make things better."

 

I remember reading that people who suffered from migranes back then, would often have several holes in their heads from "treatment". That they survived it though, is even more impressive.

 

[EDIT] Oh, links above more helpful ^.^

 

Personally I would be like ... No nonono I don't have a headache.  I'm just ... squinting.  My eyes are watery.  Also could you not talk so loudly?  No headache, honest!

[The Oracle]

Personally I would be like ... No nonono I don't have a headache.  I'm just ... squinting.  My eyes are watery.  Also could you not talk so loudly?  No headache, honest!

 

Hahaha, yup. I was actually like that with aspirin because my mum always bought the uncoated stuff and I'd end up choking on the vile taste of them. Think I'd have swallowed down aspirin like candy if the alternative was someone coming at your head with a rusty drill bit. I'd like to think my Quizzy took one look at a healer bleeding an already sick man and quickly punted her out of the gates or on to guard duty. 

[midnight tea]

What I meant is that this whole humor-thing appears to be more or a scientific (or proto-scientific approach) compared to other methods. Just like alchemy, which eventually transformed into chemistry.

 

 

Personally I would be like ... No nonono I don't have a headache.  I'm just ... squinting.  My eyes are watery.  Also could you not talk so loudly?  No headache, honest!

 

I did hear that one of medieval treatments for problems with head was cutting the skull open, removing the brain, washing it and stuffing it back in (not related to humorism, just something I've heard).

 

I'm not sure about success rate of such procedure >.>'''....

[Sabriel.]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humorism

Good physical health, too. 

I'm not sure if I'd call it baby science or non-scientific.

Yep, that's what she was referring to! Baby science indeed. You're on the right track, but aren't quite there yet....

 

It's a good point about magic being an observable, testable force in Thedas though. Still, I stubbornly hope it stays pretty medieval.

[Caddius]

Apparently trepanning, especially the type practiced in Ancient Peru, was surprisingly successful in cases where excessive blood and swelling in the noggin was actually the problem. Provided you had surgeons who had a few generations to practice, they'd remove a bit of the skull but leave the brain untouched. It's interesting. Some really horrible results sometimes, but hey. *shrug*

I haven't heard of taking out and washing the brain and them surviving. Brings a whole new meaning to having a 'dirty mind'.