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I just got that line today with Blackwall, about children not learning unless you shout at them, and I think he was being a bit sarcastic and cheeky with Blackwall about his teaching practices. I doubt that he actually thinks this is a valid teaching style himself. ^.^

 

Thought the same - I mean, it's a kinda odd comment for him IF he's not being at least a bit cheeky or sarcastic, considering that he's usually pretty calm and patient when he explains something to people (notable example being accepting Cole in Skyhold or when he lectures Sera about what to do with Red Jennies) and generally seems to really like when people ask him questions.

 

 

He does say it took him years to learn some things, the rift mage spells, for example. He also says it takes critical thinking to extract the grains of truth from any dream or memory in the fade, so it's not like the knowledge is there, ready-made for him. It could be dangerous, traveling to ancient ruins, risking possession by demons, sleeping near giant spiders... All in all, it seems research in the fade can be just as difficult and time consuming as in real life. (Edit: it also involves living like a hobo. Just like in real life. )

 

Solas does mention that sense and logic needs to be applied while extracting truth, but its no different to us trying to extract truth from evidence available to us. He even cited human history books as an example, and in another banter with Cassandra he says - and it's hard to not agree with him - that even experiences or memories of first-person witnesses or our own aren't reliable, due to their subjectivity.

 

Plus, even today, extracting knowledge or learning stuff may not necessarily be a 100% safe endeavor - all those archaeological/scientific expeditions to dangerous or unstable regions or places (we now even consider sending volunteers on a one-way trip on Mars), fighting to get to documents or books locked in restricted archives, being vulnerable to attacks from people who are very allergic to trying to change their understanding of history or the world... people were burned and tortured for making historical or scientific discoveries, after all.

 

Still, even if extracting memories is not *as* easy task as other means, how fantastic it would still be? To have a vault of (even imperfect) data to be examined when we need it... I mean, don't we love Internet for being somewhat similar?:D


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Glad to know I'm not the only one who really likes Disney's Atlantis :D Story aside, the design - with contribution from Mike Mignola himself - is STUNNING... and is pretty much responsible for cementing my love for dark-skinned, white-haired character designs ;D

 

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Me, too!

 

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Solas does mention that sense and logic needs to be applied while extracting truth, but its no different to us trying to extract truth from evidence available to us. He even cited human history books as an example, and in another banter with Cassandra he says - and it's hard to not agree with him - that even experiences or memories of first-person witnesses or our own aren't reliable, due to their subjectivity.

 

We seem to agree there's no such thing as absolute knowledge and certainty, here or in Thedas. Part of why I like this game - so much subjectivity. 

 

 

Plus, even today, extracting knowledge or learning stuff may not necessarily be a 100% safe endeavor - all those archaeological/scientific expeditions to dangerous or unstable regions or places (we now even consider sending volunteers on a one-way trip on Mars), fighting to get to documents or books locked in restricted archives, being vulnerable to attacks from people who are very allergic to trying to change their understanding of history or the world... people were burned and tortured for making historical or scientific discoveries, after all.

 

*looks around* Hmmm, where would I rather be at 2 am tonight? In lab with all the toxins, radioactive isotopes, and fly poop, or in the fade, surrouded by spirits and vulnerable to possession? Seems we're making the same point here too, in both cases there is some danger and there's also some common safety measures that would help avoid it. Being a fade scholar seems better only when playing the part from my couch where I can stop at any point and the repetitive grind required to learn something is glossed over for the purpose of story telling. 

 

 

Still, even if extracting memories is not *as* easy task as other means, how fantastic it would still be? To have a vault of (even imperfect) data to be examined when we need it... I mean, don't we love Internet for being somewhat similar? :D

 

I think it would be immensely powerful. One big problem with any psychological or sociological study seems to be that people lie, sometimes not even willingly, and you have to get them to volunteer to complete the test/survey in the first place. What if we could study human nature simply by going to the fade, gathering dreams and memories, and analyzing them. I'd love to be able to do something like that and it would indeed be fantastic... at first. Then, after doing it literally day and night for a long, long time it would seem common, and the technical issues would frustrate me. 


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My husband and I play very differently. He is beating the game on Nightmare with a warrior Cadash, because according to him they receive the best armor schematic in the game. I've played casual on all my four PTs and still ask him to do the more difficult battles for me if he's around. Yet last week he asked me, "By the way, what is darkspawn?" :D

This made me laugh... what is Darkspawn? Haha

 

It'd be a fun ability to have in real life, if only to go around annoying archaeologists and historians by pointing out what really happened at such-and-so place, or what someone famous really said during that event?

 

A DLC like this would be fun to play as well, maybe a human or elven character who journeys into the Fade to search for information on elven lore for the Inquisition... although knowing Weekes, he'd have our characters might accidentally ended up seeing the memory of something (or someone) we really shouldn't have, leading to getting trapped in a recurring nightmare that we never wake up from.

 

"Damnit, I wanted to be felicitated, not Felassan'd!"

 

:lol:

That would actually be a pretty fun DLC. o.o


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I think it would be immensely powerful. One big problem with any psychological or sociological study seems to be that people lie, sometimes not even willingly, and you have to get them to volunteer to complete the test/survey in the first place. What if we could study human nature simply by going to the fade, gathering dreams and memories, and analyzing them. I'd love to be able to do something like that and it would indeed be fantastic... at first. Then, after doing it literally day and night for a long, long time it would seem common, and the technical issues would frustrate me. 

 

Kinda reminds me of the game "Remember Me", where the whole point of the game was about memory, as well as how the examination or manipulation of it could influence or alter human behaviour. I always felt the concept of the game was great, even if the actual plot wasn't that original, because it really did go in depth into showcasing how someone's experiences shape who they are and if we chip them away, what is left?


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Kinda reminds me of the game "Remember Me", where the whole point of the game was about memory, as well as how the examination or manipulation of it could influence or alter human behaviour. I always felt the concept of the game was great, even if the actual plot wasn't that original, because it really did go in depth into showcasing how someone's experiences shape who they are and if we chip them away, what is left?

Man, I love Remember Me's concept and world, it's a pity it didn't turn out well but they made up for it with life is strange.

 

What pissed me off so hard was the story! I was hoping for some hardass shipping, but guess what? 

 

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Man, I love Remember Me's concept and world, it's a pity it didn't turn out well but they made up for it with life is strange.

 

What pissed me off so hard was the story! I was hoping for some hardass shipping, but guess what? 

 

Spoiler

 

first time I fell for a.... Edge had such a nice personality.. Then all he wanted was...

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Man, I love Remember Me's concept and world, it's a pity it didn't turn out well but they made up for it with life is strange.

 

What pissed me off so hard was the story! I was hoping for some hardass shipping, but guess what? 

 

Spoiler

I loved the memory remixing. I'm so sad they didn't have more of it. Also yes, Edge. It was like 'DROP DEAD FRED' all over again. *weeps*


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Spent most of the last three hours outfitting Solas, Varric, and Cassie. Could only manage two superb cleansing runes but whatever. I color coordinated their outfits so I can see them better in the dark. (White and Veil Quartz)

Then I finished up all the rest of the quests I could and all I have left is the Arbor Wilds. I took a half day on Tuesday and I am super prepared to spend the day trudging through the deep roads.

(I am excite.)
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I am excited too. Even though I can't play, I am looking forward to reading everyone's opinions and theories. :lol:


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Spent most of the last three hours outfitting Solas, Varric, and Cassie. Could only manage two superb cleansing runes but whatever. I color coordinated their outfits so I can see them better in the dark. (White and Veil Quartz)

Then I finished up all the rest of the quests I could and all I have left is the Arbor Wilds. I took a half day on Tuesday and I am super prepared to spend the day trudging through the deep roads.

(I am excite.)

 

If I hadn't just had a week off, I would take time on Tuesday.  Unfortunately I also raid in an MMO on Tues and Wed nights so the DLC will be taunting me until Thursday.



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Well I just pray my Internet won't fail me, being its unstable self -_-.... And that Polish Origin will update at the same time US one does.



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Well I just pray my Internet won't fail me, being its unstable self -_-.... And that Polish Origin will update at the same time US one does.


I'm gonna assume Xbox one will have it ready at like 9 pm Monday like they usually do really early. I can download and start on Tuesday after lunch.
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I hope I can level up enough on my current PT by then. I don't think I'll be able to finish the romance, so Solas will be snuggling claustrophobic Lavellan for comfort. Also getting further in DAO is out of the question. I'll be going around killing things thinking, "WTF, I don't understand anything." (Not that bad from RP standpoint, I guess, since Lavellan doesn't know much either."


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I'm gonna assume Xbox one will have it ready at like 9 pm Monday like they usually do really early. I can download and start on Tuesday after lunch.

 

Is that true for PS4 as well?



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Is that true for PS4 as well?


No, unfortunately. Sony tends to be a little slower, and honestly half the time I think XBone releases stuff early on accident.
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Well I just pray my Internet won't fail me, being its unstable self -_-.... And that Polish Origin will update at the same time US one does.

What time would that be in Europe? 6PM something like that? Can't remember for JoH, I wasn't home and my husband downloaded it for me but he forgot until 9PM when I called him.......



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Random Musings

 

My Surana and Mahariel named their Mabari hounds Fen'Harel. I can't be the only one who did this in DAO. I just wish we had an animal companion for DAI, so that I can name them Fen'Harel as well, and watch Solas' reaction.


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What time would that be in Europe? 6PM something like that? Can't remember for JoH, I wasn't home and my husband downloaded it for me but he forgot until 9PM when I called him.......

 

JoH was available mid-day here (US east coast) so I'm guessing same.



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I'm gonna assume Xbox one will have it ready at like 9 pm Monday like they usually do really early. I can download and start on Tuesday after lunch.

 

The only Xbone advantage.



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Art Thyme!

 

"what am i doing..." NSFW

 

Solas painting

 

Cadash x Solas

 

Edit: Fixed link for second pic. (Thanks CapricornSun! :))


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Art Thyme!

 

"what am i doing..." NSFW

 

 

Hot damn! I love this artist so much! :blush:

 

Solas painting

 

Just to correct the source, the original artist source link is http://ajnscribbles....g-to-learn-some  ;)

 

 

Anyway, more art.

 

Beautiful post-game tarot card of Lavellan by needapotion.

 

Another Disney-inspired Solavellan artwork, This time, based on Aladdin. ;)

 

Gorgeous artwork of Solas and Lavellan.

 

Part 3 of this comic. [Part 1 | Part 2] (NSFW for boobs)

 

Who's afraid of the big Dread Wolf? (NSFW for boobs.)

 

Mad Max: Fury Road crossover: Solas says goodbye to Lavellan.

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Keeping Secrets fanart: Solas wants to save Emma from Tranquility.

 

Nice artwork of Fen'Harel.

 

Solas is a tired grandpa.  ^_^

 

Serious, stoic Solas.

 

Adorable shirtless Solas.

 

The men of the Inquisition.


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Art Thyme!

 

"what am i doing..." NSFW

 

 

Edit: Fixed link for second pic. (Thanks CapricornSun! :))

-coughs- I uh... am... speechless.... I'll just.. need a small moment for myself..... if you know what I mean....


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-coughs- I uh... am... speechless.... I'll just.. need a small moment for myself..... if you know what I mean....

 

WHAT DOES CATHRINK MEAN SHE'S DOING??? OPEN SPOILER TO FIND OUT!

 

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That comic strip is truly stunning. It should be in color.