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[Illyria]

Dammit, all these spoilers and I'm not reading them cause I'm so annoyed at the ONE mod that I use being utterly b*ggered by this DLC. I should really just get over it and go play the damn game that I bought, but I'm in one of those moods today where getting anything less than my way is making me a stubborn grump.

 

This is my current facial expression...

 

 

*joins you in the grump corner*

[drosophila]

It's...not great.  Like the lore is super interesting but seriously, you could watch some videos and get the same thing.  The DLC is actually a bit of a slog to get through and I found the story - aside from the lore dump - to be a bit 'meh'.  The companions don't say much that's revelatory.    I'm sort of happy that BW will possibly announce the one everyone has all been waiting for - hopefully - the final DLC that is POST GAME soon because this was just...disappointing.

 

Currently slogging through myself. Not done yet, but it seems my impression so far matches yours. I agree that a massive lore dump does not make a story, and I just wish there was more dialogue with the companions. 

 

Not that I haven't enjoyed playing it so far, it's a lot of fun, but hasn't quite moved me the way the main game did, or even JoH, for that matter. 

 

Things I really like, though:

 

Spoiler

I got back my stolen gear! Well, maybe not the gear itself, but I got all those dragon crafting materials in the first camp I set up. I headcanon it as reimbursement from Solas, since that's what I used to craft his armor  

[laurelinvanyar]

That final battle...

 

Well, it was an interesting DLC. I think I liked JoH more, but this one had its moments. The seamless dungeon thing seemed to work well too.

 

But but... WTH?

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I'm wondering the same thing as an above poster - was the primeval thaig some kind of titan thing too? What does this mean for red lyrium? Or for the supposed Andruil "hunting in the void" speculation? Arrgh. The end seemed so abrupt, and then you couldn't go back to explore or talk to Valta or anything. Who does the Inquisitor have to turn to so they can learn something around here??

 

So now there's that many more answers we'll have to hope for in whatever upcoming post-game DLC/future games.

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I'm wondering if "the Void" was just a blighted titan.

 

I feel like the writers have left too many plot threads running at once, and I'm not sure how they're going to be resolved. We have the Solas/elven gods plot, the Warden shenanigan plot, the potential other magisters running around, qunari invasion plot, and now

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Valta is just hanging out being weird.

 

Where are we going with all of this?

 

Solas probably needs his own post game DLC. But so do the wardens. And somehow your inquisitor needs to disappear if they intend to have a new protagonist for DA4. That seems like a lot of plot to cover for another 4-5 hours of gametime. 

[theacefes]

I haven't played the DLC yet but I read all the reveals and will get to it in my new playthrough (still need to play JoH)

 

I have a theory though and perhaps it's been posted before but it was recommended to me that it might not be a bad idea to post it here. Spoilers for Descent and DA:I below obviously.

 

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So a few things I think:

1) Titans, dwarven deities, and the Forgotten Ones are the same thing. Either that or titans are something created by the dwarven deities but I am leaning towards the former. 

 

2) Titans are the pieces of the earth...basically make up the crust/tectonic plates/etc, and lyrium is their blood. We find this out in Descent.

 

3) I think Arlathan was built on (or inside) one of these titans, perhaps a dead one - maybe as a trophy or just something that the ancient elves or Creators conquered. It's pretty obvious that the Creators had no love for the Forgotten Ones or their soulless servants (that's said somewhere) so let's assume these servants are just the dwarves before their link to the Fade was severed. Let's assume that back then, all dwarves were a bit like Sandal.

 

4) Somehow, something went wrong, or maybe it was on purpose, but the lyrium became corrupted, or perhaps the titan became corrupted, but red lyrium was created along with the blight (maybe blight first, then lyrium turns red?)

 

5) **** goes down, blight is spreading, and Arlathan is sealed away in the Fade behind the veil - yes this is implying that the Veil is an artificial construct. Arlathan = the Black City. With the titan sealed in the Fade now, perhaps this is what severed the link between the Fade and the dwarves. 

 

6) I'm not sure how dragons fit into this, but if the archdemons are dragon embodiments of old gods  that became corrupted, this might explain where the "call" comes from if it's a blighted version of the "song" that is associated with the Stone.

 

7) When the magisters entered the Black City, they were pretty much at ground zero for the blight, and so they were hit with it first. This could be why they became the first darkspawn. 

 

8) Keep in mind that all the elven ruins we've been to are mostly underground....if they're all built inside titans (access to lyrium), this might make sense.

 

9) We know Mythal is still hanging around and she's very interested in collecting OGB souls if the player chose to do the ritual. Fen Harel is also still hanging around as well and they seem to kind of be working together based on the epilogue but it's tough to tell. 

 

At first, I thought maybe the old gods and the Creators were the same thing and that maybe the big plot was Mythal working with Fen Harel to find and free the remaining gods before the Grey Wardens killed them all, but now I'm not so sure. If my above theory is true, then that would make the Creators the big bad of this, and the elves the ironic bad guys of the setting.

 

Apologies if this is all over the place with no Codex references. Hopefully some good lore experts can take a look at this!

[Cee]

Visiting this thread without having finished yet.

 

[Vorathrad]

Spoiler

Lyrium machine guns.

 

Great, just great, Bioware.

 

Am I the only one who doesn't find the lore dump... well, a lore dump?

 

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Of course there's the "big reveal" about the titans and lyrium being their blood, that I recalled reading about here. But I don't feel that those letters and diaries add that much.

 

I liked JoH much more and found the lore there much more interesting (well, it's true that I wanted to learn more about the Avvar so bad)

[Nightspirit]

That final battle...

 

Well, it was an interesting DLC. I think I liked JoH more, but this one had its moments. The seamless dungeon thing seemed to work well too.

 

But but... WTH?

Spoiler

I'm wondering the same thing as an above poster - was the primeval thaig some kind of titan thing too? What does this mean for red lyrium? Or for the supposed Andruil "hunting in the void" speculation? Arrgh. The end seemed so abrupt, and then you couldn't go back to explore or talk to Valta or anything. Who does the Inquisitor have to turn to so they can learn something around here??

 

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I got the vibe that the Inquisitor was not interested in learning from the way (s)he responded to what was happening. (S)he was just there to kick some butt and get the hell out. I found myself thinking "I don't like any of the dialogue options" quite a few times and have never felt this distanced from my Inquisitor before. I wish we had an option to be happy about Valta, tell her that this is all so interesting and cool and awesome and she should definitely stay there, if she wants, and gather more knowledge. And you know, share them.

[Uirebhiril]

Solas probably needs his own post game DLC. But so do the wardens. And somehow your inquisitor needs to disappear if they intend to have a new protagonist for DA4. That seems like a lot of plot to cover for another 4-5 hours of gametime. 

 

It's quite possible that what Solas is up to ties in to what else is going on, and we'll be able to wrap up some of the threads and leave the major ones for DA4.

 

But as for the Inquisitor disappearing - please no. I'm so tired of magical disappearing protagonist syndrome. Move the game to Tevinter or something, tell our new protagonist that the Inquisitor is busy doing some other stuff - if final DLC doesn't have us disbanding the Inquisition entirely or something - and not more bull**** where this important powerful person is suddenly gone. They don't have to do more than reference what our last characters are doing. If the next part of the story can be told by a new character, that's reason enough for it to not be the last one and people can shut up about it. Trying to make our old characters relevant through DAI was a disaster. Not because BioWare really screwed them up, but because it was just not necessary. As long as they wrap up some of the more outstanding plots and answer a few of the questions in DLC with the Inquisitor, I'll be glad to leave them behind and move on to a new person and know that Lavellan is busy Doing Stuff. It's not a hard concept.

[midnight tea]

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I'm wondering if "the Void" was just a blighted titan.

 

I feel like the writers have left too many plot threads running at once, and I'm not sure how they're going to be resolved. We have the Solas/elven gods plot, the Warden shenanigan plot, the potential other magisters running around, qunari invasion plot, and now

Spoiler

Valta is just hanging out being weird.

 

Where are we going with all of this?

 

Spoiler

Elves have Solas and Flemythal and whoever knows who else to work towards either saving them (or messing with them or whatever) or maybe save a piece of specific magic/memory/role that elves had... and I think Valta was maybe introduced for the same reason, but to uncover secrets of dwarves and help either recover their lost legacy or powers or something.

[laurelinvanyar]

It's quite possible that what Solas is up to ties in to what else is going on, and we'll be able to wrap up some of the threads and leave the major ones for DA4.

 

But as for the Inquisitor disappearing - please no. I'm so tired of magical disappearing protagonist syndrome. Move the game to Tevinter or something, tell our new protagonist that the Inquisitor is busy doing some other stuff - if final DLC doesn't have us disbanding the Inquisition entirely or something - and not more bull**** where this important powerful person is suddenly gone. They don't have to do more than reference what our last characters are doing. If the next part of the story can be told by a new character, that's reason enough for it to not be the last one and people can shut up about it. Trying to make our old characters relevant through DAI was a disaster. Not because BioWare really screwed them up, but because it was just not necessary. As long as they wrap up some of the more outstanding plots and answer a few of the questions in DLC with the Inquisitor, I'll be glad to leave them behind and move on to a new person and know that Lavellan is busy Doing Stuff. It's not a hard concept.

That's my main problem with the newest DLC. They're ADDING more plots instead of wrapping things up

[midnight tea]

It's quite possible that what Solas is up to ties in to what else is going on, and we'll be able to wrap up some of the threads and leave the major ones for DA4.

 

But as for the Inquisitor disappearing - please no. I'm so tired of magical disappearing protagonist syndrome. Move the game to Tevinter or something, tell our new protagonist that the Inquisitor is busy doing some other stuff

 

Isn't it what a living Warden is doing in DAI?

[midnight tea]

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I got the vibe that the Inquisitor was not interested in learning from the way (s)he responded to what was happening. (S)he was just there to kick some butt and get the hell out. I found myself thinking "I don't like any of the dialogue options" quite a few times and have never felt this distanced from my Inquisitor before. I wish we had an option to be happy about Valta, tell her that this is all so interesting and cool and awesome and she should definitely stay there, if she wants, and gather more knowledge. And you know, share them.

 

 

I'm not sure i'd call it "not interested" - I think it's more accurate to call it 'overwhelmed, together with all the things he/she is doing now. Like...

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how do you really approach the discovery and existence of Titans? Or what happens to Valta?

How would Orzammar react? How would the world react? What do we really know and how much can be revealed, without that leading to chaos?

 

Hell, I'm starting to understand why Solas is so secretive. Slip a fraction of what we're discovering in Inquisition and it will turn the world upside-down.

Spoiler

Heck, we just found a world that is kind of upside down! Is this Thedas' equivalent of us digging to China, only more magical?

[laurelinvanyar]

Spoiler

Elves have Solas and Flemythal and whoever knows who else to work towards either saving them (or messing with them or whatever) or maybe save a piece of specific magic/memory/role that elves had... and I think Valta was maybe introduced for the same reason, but to uncover secrets of dwarves and help either recover their lost legacy or powers or something.

which leads to...what? 

 

Spoiler

Lyrium machine guns.

 

Great, just great, Bioware.

 

Am I the only one who doesn't find the lore dump... well, a lore dump?

 

Spoiler

Of course there's the "big reveal" about the titans and lyrium being their blood, that I recalled reading about here. But I don't feel that those letters and diaries add that much.

 

I liked JoH much more and found the lore there much more interesting (well, it's true that I wanted to learn more about the Avvar so bad)

Haha, I think that's why Liz and I are pretty "meh" about the whole big reveal. We called it like 6 months ago lol. 

 

Also

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I'm glad I'm not the only one annoyed at the lyrium gun thing. Qunari having anachronistic cannons was bad enough. >:|

[Rabbitonfire]

- Just finish Descent DLC

 

- Remembered seeing all those lyrium is titan blood and layers under deep roads theories here back in January and February. 

 

-Well shit those tinfoal hatters were right.

[Uirebhiril]

Isn't it what a living Warden is doing in DAI?

 

Sure, but then it opens up the question of what they are doing, what it means, where will that plot go, how will it be resolved, and so on. I guess the problem with all of that started with the end of DA2 - Hawke and the Warden are both Disappeared, so then they had to come up with a reason why. They couldn't just leave Hawke on the run for one reason or the other, or the Warden ruling Ferelden or training Wardens or something. I suppose they could have some other thing in mind for them in upcoming games, but it just feels like a, "well gosh, what do we do with the old characters?" "I unno, just make something up" moment.

 

And if it means the Inquisitor disappears off into the ether at the end of DAI's run I will throw something. Short of maybe Lavellan going off with Solas in a sensible way, but I highly doubt that will be an option.

[Sable Rhapsody]

That's my main problem with the newest DLC. They're ADDING more plots instead of wrapping things up

 

They may be intending for some plot threads to fuel DA4.  Kind of like how we first meet Corypheus in Legacy, and apart from Hawke having the worst luck in the universe, his story has very little to do with Hawke's or the rest of DA2.

[Rabbitonfire]

-snip-

 

Also

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I'm glad I'm not the only one annoyed at the lyrium gun thing. Qunari having anachronistic cannons was bad enough. >:|

 

I TOLD YOU DWARVES WERE MAJESTIC WITH THEIR INDUSTRIALNESS BUT YOU DIDN'T CARE!

[Nightspirit]

I'm not sure i'd call it "not interested" - I think it's more accurate to call it 'overwhelmed, together with all the things he/she is doing now. Like...

Spoiler

how do you really approach the discovery and existence of Titans? Or what happens to Valta?

How would Orzammar react? How would the world react? What do we really know and how much can be revealed, without that leading to chaos?

 

Hell, I'm starting to understand why Solas is so secretive. Slip a fraction of what we're discovering in Inquisition and it will turn the world upside-down.

Spoiler

Heck, we just found a world that is kind of upside down! Is this Thedas' equivalent of us digging to China, only more magical?

 

Yes, of course. This is indeed very sensitive information and sceptical dialogue choices are very welcome. It's just.. not how I wanted to RP my quizzy.

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I felt like trying to lure Valta away and ask her to join the Inquisition would just leave those secrets undiscovered.... but I want to discover everything. But this is just how I personally feel about this.

[midnight tea]

Yes, of course. This is indeed very sensitive information and sceptical dialogue choices are very welcome. It's just.. not how I wanted to RP my quizzy.

Spoiler

I felt like trying to lure Valta away and ask her to join the Inquisition would just leave those secrets undiscovered.... but I want to discover everything. But this is just how I personally feel about this.

 

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Well, there's no way of telling what other things or secrets IQ would discover throughout their 'career'... In any case - look up some codexes that appear in after final fight. It appears that Valta is still in contact with Inquisition and informs her/him of some of her discoveries

[drosophila]

Visiting this thread without having finished yet.

My sentiments exactly I'm just doing my best not to rush through it just so I can click on all those spoiler tags tempting me. I need superb amulet of willpower.

[theacefes]

They'll still be there when you're done!

[Illyria]

They'll still be there when you're done!

 

Yes, but I want them now.

[Rabbitonfire]

For people who are lazy and just want to speed through, here is most of the codexes from the dlc and here is party banter.

[Avejajed]

They'll still be there when you're done!

Hey! Good to see you here! I told you they are a bunch of theorists here!

[theacefes]

Hey! Good to see you here! I told you they are a bunch of theorists here!

 

Thanks for the referral.