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[Avejajed]

I've been spending too much time arguing in another thread but I'm done with it now and I want to theorize instead.

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Okay, titans.

Questions I have. Is there just one or multiple? Where does one start and another end? Is it a "pocket" of energy scattered around the world?

Dwarves are the severed arm of a once great hero.

Dwarves used to be connected to the Lyrium, (some? all?), and then the dwarves were severed from it, so...who severed it? Why? Was it an accident? A third party? If the shaperate got rid of the memories on the titans on purpose it would suggest the dwarves themselves did it. Was June involved? Maybe trying to use too much of the lyrium in ways that the titans didn't approve of?

Or was it the elves? Taking the lyrium for themselves? Or the old gods?

Or maybe it was the forgotten ones? Maybe they were dwarves once? I don't know. So many questions.

[laurelinvanyar]

I've been spending too much time arguing in another thread but I'm done with it now and I want to theorize instead.

Spoiler

Okay, titans.

Questions I have. Is there just one or multiple? Where does one start and another end? Is it a "pocket" of energy scattered around the world?

Dwarves are the severed arm of a once great hero.

Dwarves used to be connected to the Lyrium, (some? all?), and then the dwarves were severed from it, so...who severed it? Why? Was it an accident? A third party? If the shaperate got rid of the memories on the titans on purpose it would suggest the dwarves themselves did it. Was June involved? Maybe trying to use too much of the lyrium in ways that the titans didn't approve of?

Or was it the elves? Taking the lyrium for themselves? Or the old gods?

Or maybe it was the forgotten ones? Maybe they were dwarves once? I don't know. So many questions.

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Multiple titans. The Primeval Thaig was a blighted titan.

[Alyka]

Another speculation

 

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In The Wellspring codex, it talks about a thaig that fell down through the earth and up into the sky. Could that be the 'Golden City'? Or, what if Arlathan is the Golden City but that thaig (since it fell to the other side of world) is the Black City and/or possibly The Void? Maybe the gold rings on the wall in Din'an Hanin represents both sides of the world or the separation of those cities/places?

[Dr. Doctor]

How about some art?


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[S.W.]

Just finished Descent. MASSIVE POST SORRY-NOT-SORRY.

 

Playing DA:I after spending the last month pretty much only playing ME makes me remember how ghastly DA:I's combat system is. Clunky PC controls (urgh, holding 'r'), limited tactics, tactical cam where I can't see anything, no option to 'select whole party and make them move here to dodge incoming attack', enemies with lots of health where you just grind them to death. No wonder I never completed my second playthrough, it's soooo baaaaddd uuuugggghhh

 

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meh. mostly enjoyable, but that was a disappointing end.

 

It got vastly less enjoyable after Renn died - until that point, this shoe-string plot was carried alongby the lore dumping and the really sweet, really fun dynamic between Renn and Valta, and the challenge of the darkspawn fights (who are always fun enemies). It gets rapidly less interesting in the Uncharted Abyss. 

 

I'm kind of annoyed you never got to actually talk to anyone or hear even a word from the sha brytol or the guardian. The only tidbits we get about this whole society are from Valta's limited translations of bits and pieces of memories - which serve as warnings. Especially given that we spend the whole dlc humouring Valta's hunches and speculation, I'd hoped for some revelations which don't come out of her mouth.

 

I liked Valta well enough, just I wish there was a murder-knife option for Valta at the very end. Not because I'd take it - my particular quizzy I used definitely wouldn't - but because given how a) she just attacked you with MAGIC she absorbed power from the guardian that was also just attacking you c) you leaving her alone inside a titan that previously was hostile to you seems incredibly irresponsible and dangerous and the fact that she's ok with that is worrying, means that I reckon a less trusting, more ruthless, more suspicious quizzy might refuse to leave her there, resulting in a fight.

 

The fact that I can't murder-knife her worries me. I'd be unsurprised if Valta and the Titans turn up in DA4. If so, BW, please stop setting up crucial plot information in your DLC. DLC should serve to wrap up loose end and explore areas that have had limited exposition so far.

 

Also, a question: why haven't the darkspawn explored this area of the deep roads? From what I can tell, the darkspawn give no cares about who's inhabiting the area. It may be that Titans are a) great at hiding and defending themselves, in fact the sha brytol may be a defence mechanism against them, and may also partially contribute to the meaning of 'purity' in the memories, and that this has already happened, and explains the existence of red lyrium, i.e. what happens when a titan is tainted. The old thaig and the red lyrium idol in DA2 may have only been corrupted recently. It may have not always started out that way.

 

Of course, if the taint pre-dates the blights and darkspawn (which it possibly could, because elves), then this isn't the case.

 

[snip]

 

Am I the only one who doesn't find the lore dump... well, a lore dump?

 

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Of course there's the "big reveal" about the titans and lyrium being their blood, that I recalled reading about here. But I don't feel that those letters and diaries add that much.

 

I liked JoH much more and found the lore there much more interesting (well, it's true that I wanted to learn more about the Avvar so bad)

 

No, I agree. I liked JoH more because you get to explore lots of different areas and bits and pieces. I liked the fact that you were able to explore another settlement and get a feel for what Avaar culture was like, both in legend and in person, rather than like the rest of the game, where it was just pretty, but mostly empty space with a handful enemies, resources, and collectibles (with the occasional cool ruin, of course).

 

This DLC had a "big reveal", but beyond that, the lore was pretty thin.

 

It's quite possible that what Solas is up to ties in to what else is going on, and we'll be able to wrap up some of the threads and leave the major ones for DA4.

 

But as for the Inquisitor disappearing - please no. I'm so tired of magical disappearing protagonist syndrome. Move the game to Tevinter or something, tell our new protagonist that the Inquisitor is busy doing some other stuff - if final DLC doesn't have us disbanding the Inquisition entirely or something - and not more bull**** where this important powerful person is suddenly gone. They don't have to do more than reference what our last characters are doing. If the next part of the story can be told by a new character, that's reason enough for it to not be the last one and people can shut up about it. Trying to make our old characters relevant through DAI was a disaster. Not because BioWare really screwed them up, but because it was just not necessary. As long as they wrap up some of the more outstanding plots and answer a few of the questions in DLC with the Inquisitor, I'll be glad to leave them behind and move on to a new person and know that Lavellan is busy Doing Stuff. It's not a hard concept.

 

Agreed! I also think given the size of the Inquisition and the fact that it's basically turned into a new political power, I reckon our quizzy will likely be busy running rings about politicians and it'll be quite easy to say 'she's still there, but she's got her own problems'. It'll beeven easier if we move to Tevinter - Inquisition presence north of the border, given the fervent southern Andranstianism of the organisation, could potentially be viewed as a potential attack. Especially if you sided with the Templars.

 

I hope we move onto something more small-scale/underground which the Inquisition can't deal with because of a) geography, and wouldn't be politically wise of them.

 

That's my main problem with the newest DLC. They're ADDING more plots instead of wrapping things up

 

YEP THIS.

 

You know, I'm still hoping for a DLC in Val-Royeaux. Not the skeleton city that we got shown, but a fully fleshed out map with different districts, layers, rich areas and poor areas, slums, sewers, docks, etc. I'd like to fight in dark alleys or crowded marketplaces where you need to avoid dragging innocent people into the fray if you can. I kind of want to explore Orlais a little more before we leave it behind forever.

[Alyka]

To be honest, I also enjoyed JoH more than The Descent. And it's not because I dislike dwarves or the deep roads (because I do like them), it's just that I felt the content was lacking in The Descent. It took me 6 hours to complete TD whereas it took me 12-16 hours for JOH. I know BW/EA has to make money and I would like to support them in continuing with the future of DA, but $15 for 6 hrs of gameplay? I don't know...

[midnight tea]

(replays Descent)

 

Huh... I didn't notice that before!

 

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In a chamber where we defeat the strange Ancient Horror on 5th level there's a toppled, decapitated statue of Mythal.

 

 

I didn't expect to find that there 

[Ulv Elskeren]

(replays Descent)

 

Huh... I didn't notice that before!

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I didn't expect to find that there 

 

I noticed that too.  

 

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 And in the same 'shrine' room:

 

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A Merrill-style eluvian frame?

 

and

 

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Elvhen (Sylaise branded?) pillar, like those found in the Exalted Plains. And though I didn't get a screenshot, there was a stone inuksuk next to the pillar that I thought was June's.  No idea what it all means yet, though.     Elvish stuff everywhere, but the sacrificial altar is almost definitely Tevinter...

[midnight tea]

 

To be honest, I also enjoyed JoH more than The Descent. And it's not because I dislike dwarves or the deep roads (because I do like them), it's just that I felt the content was lacking in The Descent. It took me 6 hours to complete TD whereas it took me 12-16 hours for JOH. I know BW/EA has to make money and I would like to support them in continuing with the future of DA, but $15 for 6 hrs of gameplay? I don't know...

 

Personally, I enjoyed both - for different reasons, as those are very different DLCs. I don't find the combat as jarring as some, so I didn't find the crawl tedious - in fact, I quite liked the increased and tougher feel of enemies; since I played with characters and teams that are pretty much fully specced and clad in best gear in the game, so at least cutting through darkspawn wasn't laughably simple, even on Nightmare xD

 

I also did a 'tighter' run of both JoH and doing a second run on Descent and I find that they both take about the same time, once I roughly know what to do. JoH may appear bigger, simply because there's more free roaming compared to more linear/labyrinthian as well as abandoned feel of Descent (in both cases however I highly appreciate the vertical, layered feeling of both areas, with all the lovable nooks and crannies to explore)

 

I also don't think there's less lore than in JoH, it's simply approached differently. Since there's less NPCs we can hear or talk stuff about, aside from our temporary dwarf companions, Descent attempts to convey some stuff through visual storytelling and clues peppered throughout. If I were you, I'd pay more attention to texts that appear when we open Segrummar door, the shrine where we find Arcane Horror and notes we find from dwarves from Cal'dahash.

 

I also don't think JoH left me with less unanswered questions or didn't muddle things as much with what it revealed.

 

I mean... aside from other questions I have, WHAT ABOUT THAT HUMONGOUS TREE sprouting from right where we find Hakkon!?

(and what about that GIGANTIC crater right next to it, where we see all of its gigantic roots!?)

 

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(we find humongous tree - with its giant roots spread all throughout Arbor Wilds - growing directly from Temple Of Mytal as well)

 

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[Ulv Elskeren]

I also don't think JoH left me with less unanswered questions or didn't muddle things as much with what it revealed.

 

I mean... aside from other questions I have, WHAT ABOUT THAT HUMONGOUS TREE sprouting from right where we find Hakkon!?

(and what about that GIGANTIC crater right next to it, where we see all of its gigantic roots!?)

 

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(we find humongous tree - with its giant roots spread all throughout Arbor Wilds - growing directly from Temple Of Mytal as well)

 

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There's some theorizing on that tree over here, about halfway through the post.  I'm not sure if I'm convinced, but it's an interesting possibility...

[laurelinvanyar]

snippity doo dah

 

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meh. mostly enjoyable, but that was a disappointing end.

 

It got vastly less enjoyable after Renn died - until that point, this shoe-string plot was carried alongby the lore dumping and the really sweet, really fun dynamic between Renn and Valta, and the challenge of the darkspawn fights (who are always fun enemies). It gets rapidly less interesting in the Uncharted Abyss. 

 

I'm kind of annoyed you never got to actually talk to anyone or hear even a word from the sha brytol or the guardian. The only tidbits we get about this whole society are from Valta's limited translations of bits and pieces of memories - which serve as warnings. Especially given that we spend the whole dlc humouring Valta's hunches and speculation, I'd hoped for some revelations which don't come out of her mouth.

 

I liked Valta well enough, just I wish there was a murder-knife option for Valta at the very end. Not because I'd take it - my particular quizzy I used definitely wouldn't - but because given how a) she just attacked you with MAGIC she absorbed power from the guardian that was also just attacking you c) you leaving her alone inside a titan that previously was hostile to you seems incredibly irresponsible and dangerous and the fact that she's ok with that is worrying, means that I reckon a less trusting, more ruthless, more suspicious quizzy might refuse to leave her there, resulting in a fight.

 

The fact that I can't murder-knife her worries me. I'd be unsurprised if Valta and the Titans turn up in DA4. If so, BW, please stop setting up crucial plot information in your DLC. DLC should serve to wrap up loose end and explore areas that have had limited exposition so far.

 

Also, a question: why haven't the darkspawn explored this area of the deep roads? From what I can tell, the darkspawn give no cares about who's inhabiting the area. It may be that Titans are a) great at hiding and defending themselves, in fact the sha brytol may be a defence mechanism against them, and may also partially contribute to the meaning of 'purity' in the memories, and that this has already happened, and explains the existence of red lyrium, i.e. what happens when a titan is tainted. The old thaig and the red lyrium idol in DA2 may have only been corrupted recently. It may have not always started out that way.

 

Of course, if the taint pre-dates the blights and darkspawn (which it possibly could, because elves), then this isn't the case.

 

 

No, I agree. I liked JoH more because you get to explore lots of different areas and bits and pieces. I liked the fact that you were able to explore another settlement and get a feel for what Avaar culture was like, both in legend and in person, rather than like the rest of the game, where it was just pretty, but mostly empty space with a handful enemies, resources, and collectibles (with the occasional cool ruin, of course).

 

This DLC had a "big reveal", but beyond that, the lore was pretty thin.

 

 

Agreed! I also think given the size of the Inquisition and the fact that it's basically turned into a new political power, I reckon our quizzy will likely be busy running rings about politicians and it'll be quite easy to say 'she's still there, but she's got her own problems'. It'll beeven easier if we move to Tevinter - Inquisition presence north of the border, given the fervent southern Andranstianism of the organisation, could potentially be viewed as a potential attack. Especially if you sided with the Templars.

 

I hope we move onto something more small-scale/underground which the Inquisition can't deal with because of a) geography, and wouldn't be politically wise of them.

 

 

YEP THIS.

 

You know, I'm still hoping for a DLC in Val-Royeaux. Not the skeleton city that we got shown, but a fully fleshed out map with different districts, layers, rich areas and poor areas, slums, sewers, docks, etc. I'd like to fight in dark alleys or crowded marketplaces where you need to avoid dragging innocent people into the fray if you can. I kind of want to explore Orlais a little more before we leave it behind forever.

^Pretty much all this. Also, Val Royeaux... The concept art looked so great, with this gilded city and its seedy underbelly. I wanted to see the grand cathedral and I ESPECIALLY wanted to see the Val Royeaux alienage, which is supposed to be the biggest alienage in thedas. 

 

I noticed that too.  

 

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 And in the same 'shrine' room:

 

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A Merrill-style eluvian frame?

 

and

 

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Elvhen (Sylaise branded?) pillar, like those found in the Exalted Plains. And though I didn't get a screenshot, there was a stone inuksuk next to the pillar that I thought was June's.  No idea what it all means yet, though.     Elvish stuff everywhere, but the sacrificial altar is almost definitely Tevinter...

The rune in the 3rd pic is one that is generally used where blood magic/sacrifice takes place. 

[theacefes]

Another speculation

 

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In The Wellspring codex, it talks about a thaig that fell down through the earth and up into the sky. Could that be the 'Golden City'? Or, what if Arlathan is the Golden City but that thaig (since it fell to the other side of world) is the Black City and/or possibly The Void? Maybe the gold rings on the wall in Din'an Hanin represents both sides of the world or the separation of those cities/places?

 

Yeah that's pretty much my guess too.

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I think elven cities were all underground/are all underground and that The Golden City/Black City/Arlathan are all the same place.

 

Of course it was empty when Corypheus showed up - everyone was dead/gone

 

I've been spending too much time arguing in another thread but I'm done with it now and I want to theorize instead.

Spoiler

Okay, titans.

Questions I have. Is there just one or multiple? Where does one start and another end? Is it a "pocket" of energy scattered around the world?

Dwarves are the severed arm of a once great hero.

Dwarves used to be connected to the Lyrium, (some? all?), and then the dwarves were severed from it, so...who severed it? Why? Was it an accident? A third party? If the shaperate got rid of the memories on the titans on purpose it would suggest the dwarves themselves did it. Was June involved? Maybe trying to use too much of the lyrium in ways that the titans didn't approve of?

Or was it the elves? Taking the lyrium for themselves? Or the old gods?

Or maybe it was the forgotten ones? Maybe they were dwarves once? I don't know. So many questions.

 

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What if everyone was friends, someone screwed up (ie: made the blight or something), and the dwarves severed the connection to save themselves from whatever cataclysm that happened?

 

There's another theory floating around that the Creators and the Old Gods are the same thing, and this whole saga is about Mythal trying to find all of the gods before they are killed by Grey Wardens via Blights. I kind of liked that theory as well - seems very Bioware-y.

.

[Twilight_Princess]

After playing the new DLC and reading the new info, I can't be the only one who thought

 

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Lizard-man companion for DA4! Maybe it's because I love Krogans and Turians so much but how awesome would it be to have a reptile warrior in the team! I mean check out that painting from the Emerald Graves

 

 

 

 

He could be the first one of his kind to make it to the surface and because no one has seen anything like him before, he has to cover himself up while he's traveling with you. And no I don't mean making him wear a trench coat XD

 

 

It would certainly be something different!

 

 

I'm enjoying the Descent but like others said have already, more party interaction would have been nice. There were several moments where you made camp in the tunnels, that would have been a perfect time to implement it.  Even if you were just commenting on what you've seen so far.

[drosophila]

Done. That made no sense. 

 

Well, at least I can read all the spoiler tags now. 

 

Also,

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I hate you, Guardian! I hate you! May the Dread Wolf take you!

[Dr. Doctor]

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The tin-foil hat theory I have is that the Forgotten Ones are the Titans. I will admit that the whole "erased from the Shaperate" thing makes it seem convenient.

Based off of the codex entries from the Well of Sorrows and that incursions into the Fade (the Breach) awakened a Titan, it's possible that the Elven Pantheon tracked down the Blighted Titans, subdued them, and trapped their sleeping minds in the Black City. When the Magisters tried to enter the city, they broke the seal an unleashed the Darkspawn.

[Avejajed]

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The tin-foil hat theory I have is that the Forgotten Ones are the Titans. I will admit that the whole "erased from the Shaperate" thing makes it seem convenient.

Based off of the codex entries from the Well of Sorrows and that incursions into the Fade (the Breach) awakened a Titan, it's possible that the Elven Pantheon tracked down the Blighted Titans, subdued them, and trapped their sleeping minds in the Black City. When the Magisters tried to enter the city, they broke the seal an unleashed the Darkspawn.

I wish wasn't so lazy, or I would try to pull up the theory I posted about the

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forgotten ones being the titans.

[midnight tea]

There's some theorizing on that tree over here, about halfway through the post.  I'm not sure if I'm convinced, but it's an interesting possibility...

 

The obvious reference to Norse mythology and tree symbolism - I agree. In fact, I think so far I'd treat this whole thing as more symbolic, than literal.

 

But I don't buy the "Tree of Peace" thing though, simply because (in case of Skyhold's prop) it was supposed to thoroughly symbolic - or rather, ironic, considering that the 'Tree of Peace' now serves as WAR table ;P (add to that the fact that the tree War Table had been made of is nowhere near as big, plus its base is built from its roots, which is a thing of FB tree that actually survived and let it grow back)

 

And while I think there might be something to say about Mythal being a 'bridge' of some sort, or someone who worked to create the world as thedosians know it, I don't think the trees were dedicated specifically to her. I think this is an elf thing - like, in general. There are more mentions of trees (Andruil had a "Way Of Three Trees") and we see in Emerald Graves that elves can indeed grow trees of enormous sizes (even if they're not as enormous as they were in ancient times), including the giant, ominous dead tree we find next to dragons' lair.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if every important location had such tree - or at least, that every deity had a tree dedicated to them... who knows, maybe even more? It could also explain what Solas meant by describing Arlathan as "crystal spires twining through the branches, palaces floating in the sky" - elves basically lived in/around those giant trees!

 

The fact that the Frostback Basin tree has been cut, yet managed to grow back is definitely interesting - aside from obvious question as to what made it grow back, question as to why it was cut is prooooobably (?) easier to speculate about. Personally, I think it may have had something to do with either fall of Elvhen empire or a fall of the particular deity/whatever that resided in FB a long time ago (and I don't necessarily think it might've belonged to any known elvhen god). We know that before people from Tevinter built Razikale's temple/shrine, there was a cave that Avvar considered sacred.

 

Anyway... wanna hear my wacky theory? (more like half-hypothesis, because it isn't really refined):

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I think trees indeed symbolize either peace or alliance of some sort - between sky and earth. This is the usual symbolism of trees after all, and I don't think BW has to go far to make it more complicated than that, as the concept itself is so elegant, the tree stood as symbol of world structure across many cultures. Its branches reached the sky/heavens, while its roots reached deep into the ground (and I think it's interesting that we find the 'sky' underneath the earth), 'marrying' both realms.

 

In case of Thedas, the 'sky' (as well as air) might have connection with the Fade, as the game oftentimes alludes that there's a profound (at least symbolic) connection to sky and heavenly things - while the rock/stone might be the domain of Titans/Stone, as well as a primordial 'foundation' from which Thedas was built from... or the 'ground' may indeed symbolize Thedas/real world itself, and the 'alliance' between both sky and earth helped life to emerge and thrive.

 

In any case... I know there's so little to no no basis for it in the game, but can't help but to think of Titans as basically ginormous, draconic entities...

It doesn't help that texts we find in Bastion of the Pure mention that there were people there have scales... and we do know that to survive, Sha-Brytol have been drinking Titan's blood to sustain themselves, and it had an effect on them too.

And we do know that Reavers and those who drink the blood of dragons can go through mutations, including growing scales! (I wonder if this happens to people/beings who are not 'pure' enough?, as it's explained that Sha-Brytol may protect and live with the Titan, but they don't really understand it, nor the Titan needs them to protect itself). It may also put an interesting spin on what Yavana said about "the blood of the dragons being the blood of the world".

 

Maybe there were initially two (or more) types of super-powerful entities who worked together to create real world? Than stuff went awry - maybe because somebody had different ideas, or because mistakes were made, or maybe because the side-effect of that was making those entities vulnerable to something? Or maybe the Blight is a side-effect of creating the world, IF it isn't actually something that is some sort of corrupted Titan/Titan-like entity itself??

 

In that case, the more I think about it, the more I think that Jaws of Hakkon and Descent may present 'two sides of the coin' - JoH presents and reveals us some things about spirits/Fade'y stuff, and symbolically reaches high towards the sky (especially with the final scene of dragon spirit returning to the Fade by flying up to heavens), while Descent presents us 'the other side' (well... pretty much literally, judging from inverted sky!)

[drosophila]

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In case of Thedas, the 'sky' (as well as air) might have connection with the Fade, as the game oftentimes alludes that there's a profound (at least symbolic) connection to sky and heavenly things - while the rock/stone might be the domain of Titans/Stone, as well as a primordial 'foundation' from which Thedas was built from... or the 'ground' may indeed symbolize Thedas/real world itself, and the 'alliance' between both sky and earth helped life to emerge and thrive.

 

So here is my crazy take on this. 

 

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In the Very Beginning, there was the void and the fade. Then titans were created within the fade. Maybe the Maker made them, who knows. I think titans were these giant stone humanoids (or draconoids, ot whatever other shape) that were alive and moving within the fade. Then something happened, perhaps the creation of the veil, that caused the titans to all fall asleep, and that's how the "earth" was formed, on the surface of titans that went still. In the same way, the air and sky were formed where the fade used be. The first dwarves spawned from the sleeping titan's bodies and have some magical link to the titans. Similarly, the first elves were formed from the fade and their domain was the air (maybe they lived in crystal spires high in the sky like Solas said). The link of the first dwarves with the titans and the link of the first elves with the fade was very strong, but something happened to weaken it, and in the process, elves and dwarves were weakened themselves. 

 

So there are two parallel opposites, dwarves-titans-earth and elves-fade-sky. 

 

Then about lyrium being titan blood: Just like animal blood is similar to sea water, since we all came from the sea, titan blood is similar to the fade. It is basically liquid fade, which is why it can be used to fuel magic. 

 

[Uirebhiril]

Finally got the last mug and last three gears, so I am officially done with Descent. Now the long wait for the next DLC...

 

And for those wondering if/how they would have shards in the Deep Roads... gears. They're ******* gears. Some of which no person in their right mind would ever find because they are located in truly absurd places. When they have to put supply caches nearby, and not because of combat, that tells you something.

[midnight tea]

Finally got the last mug and last three gears, so I am officially done with Descent. Now the long wait for the next DLC...

 

And for those wondering if/how they would have shards in the Deep Roads... gears. They're ******* gears. Some of which no person in their right mind would ever find because they are located in truly absurd places. When they have to put supply caches nearby, and not because of combat, that tells you something.

 

Hahaha, I was wondering if someone would make a connection between the two

 

Personally... I don't mind. Really! In fact, the more outrageous place the better. I like this kind of puzzles, where the terrain itself becomes the puzzle, and I have to wonder how to get that thing  - or that I have to look into every nook and cranny to find these

[CapricornSun]

Art post time.

 

Breaking canon.

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Source: http://freyleif.tumb...-breaking-canon

 

 

Gorgeous Solavellan sketch.

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Source: http://kimberly-park...apostasy-of-her

 

 

Pretty art of Solas and Lavellan behind some foliage.

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Source: http://ohloveology.t...so-ill-be-brave

 

 

Relax my beloved.

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Source: http://ladytheirinsb...-me-dont-shed-a

 

 

Let's play with the fire, that runs in our veins.

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Source: http://juledraws.tum...ns-in-our-veins

 

 

A dance.

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Source: http://ancaxbre.tumb...solavellan-hell

 

 

Solas doodle.

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Source: http://bomberbees.tu...s-lately-have-a

 

 

He's beauty. He's grace. He's doomed the elven race.

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Source: http://ralione.tumbl...-the-elven-race

 

 

Fen'Harel.

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Source: http://obsessivedino...nce-of-solas-we

 

 

Fen'Harel sketch.

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Source: http://thesnowmage.t...ient-elvhen-god

 

 

Solas D&D miniature made in HeroForge

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Source: http://schrodanger.t...re-in-heroforge

 

 

Cute Solas.

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Source: http://tremblefox.tu...e-me-cute-solas

 

 

Modern AU Solas and Blackwall.

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Source: http://tremblefox.tu...his-guy-talking

 

 

Deep Roads dream team.

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Source: http://esuerc.tumblr...oads-dream-team

 

 

And finally...

 

"Do the Dalish even lift?" 

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Source: http://weyrbound.tum...e-spoils-of-the

 

[Vorathrad]

Art post time.

 

Breaking canon.

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Source: http://freyleif.tumb...-breaking-canon

 

 

I've wondered about this many times... whether in headcanon the voices will end up telling Lavellan who Solas is, or if they would confirm in case Solas confessed and Lavellan was sceptic (I doubt they'll include that ingame, but a girl can dream)

 

And finally...

 

"Do the Dalish even lift?"  

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Source: http://weyrbound.tum...e-spoils-of-the

 

 

And now I have images in my head of Dalish warriors lifting halla 

[ilikesocks]

Yeah I agree, I enjoyed it more than JoH, but that's not saying much lol.
 
Not worth 12 quid imo.

I'm so glad you guys post your opinions because this is what I wanted to read, whether good or bad. I haven't even bought JoH yet or TD. I'm waiting for the big one to be released and I know I'll eventually buy all of the dlc but for now I can spend my money (very tight budget living paycheck to paycheck) on food and not worry about playing these dlc immediately because it doesn't have the Solas goods. Thanks guys! Keep your opinions coming and share any relevant Solas bits. We lurkers appreciate it!

[Vorathrad]

I'm so glad you guys post your opinions because this is what I wanted to read, whether good or bad. I haven't even bought JoH yet or TD. I'm waiting for the big one to be released and I know I'll eventually buy all of the dlc but for now I can spend my money (very tight budget living paycheck to paycheck) on food and not worry about playing these dlc immediately because it doesn't have the Solas goods. Thanks guys! Keep your opinions coming and share any relevant Solas bits. We lurkers appreciate it!

 

Sorry that you are in that situation... at least be assured that you are not missing any super quality content, DLCs until now are nice but you can wait to get them (I wish I had) In fact that's what I'll do with the next DLC, I'll wait to hear what people make of it.

 

Re: the content presentation, to me it wasn't different, it was lacking. If I'm playing a RPG, I want to have conversations and meaningful interactions with characters, not walk for minutes in silence until I stumble upon an old letter (or not) Codexes are nice for additional info and visual clues for theorycrafting, but not to convey the bulk of what is being told. I find what they did a way of making content cheaper and faster, not to tell things in a different way (sorry if I sound bitter, I was very excited to play the DLC, bought it as soon as it showed up in the PS4 store, and ended up very disappointed)

[The Oracle]

They have been leaning towards using Codex's to tell the story more in Inquisition. Take for example, the killing of Tranquil to make the Ocularium (sp?). That was revealed behind a locked door via a codex. Going by the number of skulls out and about and in that room, hundreds of Tranquil must have been mass slaughtered. I feel that this reveal was done very little justice by being squirreled away in a corner. Think about how much more compelling/horrifying it would have been to have found out instead by catching some Venatori during the act and saving the Tranquil about to be sacrificed. Then him telling you about what they've been doing and leading you to a place where other Tranquil are being held like pigs for the slaughter. Then deciding what their fate will be.

 

That's what's really missing. In DAO and DA2 this would have been a proper quest, raising interesting points about the treatment of Tranquil and the merits of reversal. Instead it's a bit of a nothing.