I think it was as well. There's enough hints dropped by him it wasn't a person. It was people. A group.
Maybe the people he freed realized that they were worse than before and turned on him? That would be one hell of a backfire (and another hell of a betrayal)
Re: Cheat Engine and Descent, I wouldn't mess with the banter trigger, even if you updated to the patch 9 compatible table. There's less than 10 minutes of companion dialogue in the whole thing, and aside from the two companions, it's basically all scripted. Of the companions I took, only Cole said anything really interesting and that's pretty much a given at anytime within the game.
That being said, the updated banter trigger DOES work in the base game.
Maybe the people he freed realized that they were worse than before and turned on him? That would be one hell of a backfire (and another hell of a betrayal)
Oh, I actually think that happened (He does say that there are a few regrets sharper than watching fools squander what he sacrificed to achieve), but likely separate from the initial betrayal.
Oh, I actually think that happened (He does say that there are a few regrets sharper than watching fools squander what he sacrificed to achieve), but likely separate from the initial betrayal.
So maybe betrayal -> rebellion -> well we were not so bad before -> we fight against each other -> whose idea was this again? Fen Harel's -> KILL HIM WITH FIRE!
So maybe betrayal -> rebellion -> well we were not so bad before -> we fight against each other -> whose idea was this again? Fen Harel's -> KILL HIM WITH FIRE!
Perhaps?
Or maybe: things are bad -> rebellion -> things are going relatively well -> 'you know what, Fen'Harel? We have different ideas!' -> betrayal -> things go wrong -> desperation forces Fen'Harel to do something drastic -> that move has its consequences and things get worse -> whose idea was this rebellion anyway? Fen'Harel's -> KILL HIM WITH FIRE!
One thing that astonishes me about Fen'Harel's plans is this apparent desire of his to free his fellow Elven deities.
I don't know but that seems foolish. Firstly, if Fen'Harel's portrayal of them is correct, then the ancient Elven deities are an extreme version of the Lannisters and Littlefinger from Game of Thrones. They are cruel, vain, greedy, etc and that was during their peak. What do you think these deities will feel now when they awaken ?
Wouldn't they get really very angry and kill Fen'Harel ? Wouldn't they be very angry at the state of the world, like Corypheus did and wage a massive war ? Wouldn't they be then subsequently destroyed (because if Elven gods decided to go to war, you can be sure that Humans, Qunari and Dwarves will ally with each other), resulting in the total annihilation of Elven culture ?
Personally, the best way forward is for the Elves to live in seclusion, in remote corners, slowly rebuilding themselves up first before attempting anything else. That would be the most logical thing to do. Nevertheless, I get the idea that ancient Elven gods are not very logical or sensible.
One thing that astonishes me about Fen'Harel's plans is this apparent desire of his to free his fellow Elven deities.
I don't know but that seems foolish. Firstly, if Fen'Harel's portrayal of them is correct, then the ancient Elven deities are an extreme version of the Lannisters and Littlefinger from Game of Thrones. They are cruel, vain, greedy, etc and that was during their peak. What do you think these deities will feel now when they awaken ?
Wouldn't they get really very angry and kill Fen'Harel ? Wouldn't they be very angry at the state of the world, like Corypheus did and wage a massive war ? Wouldn't they be then subsequently destroyed (because if Elven gods decided to go to war, you can be sure that Humans, Qunari and Dwarves will ally with each other), resulting in the total annihilation of Elven culture ?
Well, that's assuming that anything in the lore is actually correct, while we have good enough to believe that large chunks of it aren't. I mean, if you choose to believe that Abelas tells the truth, then Fen'Harel had nothing to do with Mythal's murder - and ancient elven lore neither mentions Dread Wolf's lack of involvement or the fact that Mythal was, in fact, slain.
Then there's also a possibility that, no matter how bad gods are, they hold the key to saving the world, or elves, or whatever there is Solas thinks it's worth saving. Might as well just be like in case of bad Quizzy - not really someone you want to lead Inquisition or maybe even alive, but him/her having the Anchor may be the key of solving a particularly dire problem.
And there's yet another possibility - that Solas doesn't plan to release the gods, but someone else altogether (or maybe not all of them).
Personally, the best way forward is for the Elves to live in seclusion, in remote corners, slowly rebuilding themselves up first before attempting anything else. That would be the most logical thing to do. Nevertheless, I get the idea that ancient Elven gods are not very logical or sensible.
Um, Solas does hint to Abelas that there indeed exist elvhen colonies somewhere. Question is whether they've tried to rebuild their life, but failed, due to lacking something crucial, or perhaps realizing that they can't do it on their own. Who knows?
I don't know but that seems foolish. Firstly, if Fen'Harel's portrayal of them is correct, then the ancient Elven deities are an extreme version of the Lannisters and Littlefinger from Game of Thrones. They are cruel, vain, greedy, etc and that was during their peak. What do you think these deities will feel now when they awaken ?
Then there's also a possibility that, no matter how bad gods are, they hold the key to saving the world, or elves, or whatever there is Solas thinks it's worth saving. Might as well just be like in case of bad Quizzy - not really someone you want to lead Inquisition or maybe even alive, but him/her having the Anchor may be the key of solving a particularly dire problem.
It might not be the people he wants to release, but their only their power. He could have extracted their godly essence (whatever that actually means) and stored it somewhere for safekeeping. Maybe he plans to absorb the powers of all gods into himself (thus he will be the only god remaining, walking this "path of solitude" he tells Cole about). Maybe he plans to bestow them to somebody else, perhaps surviving elves in the colony who are finally ready to handle this power.
Perhaps?
Or maybe: things are bad -> rebellion -> things are going relatively well -> 'you know what, Fen'Harel? We have different ideas!' -> betrayal -> things go wrong -> desperation forces Fen'Harel to do something drastic -> that move has its consequences and things get worse -> whose idea was this rebellion anyway? Fen'Harel's -> KILL HIM WITH FIRE!
That sounds about right 
One thing that astonishes me about Fen'Harel's plans is this apparent desire of his to free his fellow Elven deities.
I'm not so sure that's actually his plan; speculation on this thread has made that more or less an established belief.But I'm not so sure. Freeing the pantheon may be just a part of his plan or it can be something else entirely.
I think it was as well. There's enough hints dropped by him it wasn't a person. It was people. A group.
He certainly distrusts the intent of organizations. Or at least, that their purpose can remain uncorrupted over time. However, his response to the Inquisitor's "I trust my friends" line is pretty pointedly singular... and female.
"I know that mistake well enough to carve the angles of her face from memory."
Hey guys, when's the best time to play The Descent? I'm still chiseling through my main playthrough (my third attempt at it, damn my ineptitude!) and I'm wondering when's best... More specifically, is there any juicy Solas dialogue to look forward to?
I remember hearing banter doesn't trigger until after the main story, which would mean no lines for Solas if done beforehand. Anyone confirm?
Hey guys, when's the best time to play The Descent? I'm still chiseling through my main playthrough (my third attempt at it, damn my ineptitude!) and I'm wondering when's best... More specifically, is there any juicy Solas dialogue to look forward to?
I remember hearing banter doesn't trigger until after the main story, which would mean no lines for Solas if done beforehand. Anyone confirm?
Solas has a handful of small lines, but nothing particularly interesting. He was definitely chattier in Jaws of Hakkon.
Personally, I prefer it post-endgame. I'd recommend being around level 20-ish when you play it, and IMO some of quizzy's dialogue and tone makes more sense if s/he's already seen and done a lot.
Hey guys, when's the best time to play The Descent? I'm still chiseling through my main playthrough (my third attempt at it, damn my ineptitude!) and I'm wondering when's best... More specifically, is there any juicy Solas dialogue to look forward to?
I remember hearing banter doesn't trigger until after the main story, which would mean no lines for Solas if done beforehand. Anyone confirm?
You can trigger it as soon as you get to Skyhold, as far as I know.
Thanks for the response!
That said, if there's nothing particularly gripping from our Solas I'll do The Descent post-game too.
Any news on if this'll be the last story-based DLC?
Art Break
Solas and Lavellan
http://duck-doodles....ellan-554170301
Solas casting 1
http://ptilou76.devi...Solas-554128071
Solas casting 2
http://rotten-jelly-...Solas-554146166
Male Lavellan and The Dread Wolf
http://sumenya.devia...revas-554177865
HAHAHA that fanart is beautiful! I already headcanon my Lavellan and Solas annoy Sera by saying they're her "elfy parents" XDDD
Heyyy!!! I made a new Solas video (haven't since January/February). I was feeling inspired, haha. Enjoy 
While I don't think it's been confirmed he did say this..Thanks for the response!
Spoiler
That said, if there's nothing particularly gripping from our Solas I'll do The Descent post-game too.
Any news on if this'll be the last story-based DLC?
Speaking of organisations and corruption and Solas' strongly disapproving, /Decent DLC small spoiler/
In other news I completed ME3 for the third time today. Still can't get over those endings 
In recent twitch stream Mike Laidlaw also mentioned that they're veeeery aware what people want, as well as confirmed Bioware's presence at Pax AND that they're preparing something for it.
....I'm still highly skeptical whether this announcement will be about SP DLC... I mean - almost right after releasing Descent? Even if most of it was done in Austin?
Can't help, but to think that whatever they're going to announce, it's not going to live up to the hype... on the other hand what could it be? MP DLC? I have doubts they'd have a 'worldwide announcement' for it on Pax though, therefore... I'm stumped 
I've been out of the loop for a long time. Any news on Solas and post-ending Solas stuff?
MEHEM saved that game experience for me.
Does MEHEM have the option to punch the Catalyst though? Because that's what I want, honestly. I can deal with dying heroically to save the world, I think, just not with a patronising AI and rubbish game mechanics.
Does MEHEM have the option to punch the Catalyst though? Because that's what I want, honestly. I can deal with dying heroically to save the world, I think, just not with a patronising AI and rubbish game mechanics.
I don't believe so. IIRC, MEHEM gets rid of the Catalyst entirely. In the vanilla ending, you can shoot the Catalyst as much as you want. Don't try it in Extended Cut, though!!! XD
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