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Oh hey! More art. :P

 

Some lovely Solavellan kiss meme art. (Slightly NSFW)

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Solavellan reunion based on How to Train Your Dragon 2. :crying: <3

 

Solas and Lavellan about to kiss.

 

Who got the best booty? (NSFW for nudity and butts) :lol:

 

Doodle of Cassandra, Varric, and Solas.

 

Sera plays a trick on Solas. :P


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*sniffles* You're as beautiful as the day I lost you. :crying:



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In the previous 2 Dragon Age games, Elves were shorter than Humans. This was very apparent in Dragon Age Origins.

 

However in Inquisition, it appears Elves and Humans are both about the same height with the only different being how slim they are ?

 

I thought I must be seeing things so I checked the Dragon Age wiki and saw this: A humanoid race, elves are typically shorter than humans (though this has been mitigated slightly since Dragon Age: Origins) and have a slender, lithe build and pointed ears.

 

Here is a shot of the male Elf Inquisitor being taller than Cassandra. In previous games the male Elf was shorter than Morrigan and Leliana.

 

 

So was this retcon intentional or what ?

 

Probably due to the fact that the game was made with a human Inky in mind and some cutscenes were adapted for the other races better than others.


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Probably due to the fact that the game was made with a human Inky in mind and some cutscenes were adapted for the other races better than others.

 

This, and then taking into account the heights are slightly inconsistent in different scenes anyway in the finished product.



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In the previous 2 Dragon Age games, Elves were shorter than Humans. This was very apparent in Dragon Age Origins.

 

However in Inquisition, it appears Elves and Humans are both about the same height with the only different being how slim they are ?

 

I thought I must be seeing things so I checked the Dragon Age wiki and saw this: A humanoid race, elves are typically shorter than humans (though this has been mitigated slightly since Dragon Age: Origins) and have a slender, lithe build and pointed ears.

 

Here is a shot of the male Elf Inquisitor being taller than Cassandra. In previous games the male Elf was shorter than Morrigan and Leliana.

 

 

So was this retcon intentional or what ?

 

No, I think it may simply be some sort of um, bug? Maybe some Frostbite issue. People can change heights from cutscene to cutscene or when we approach them - I think some of it depends on the terrain.

 

I still can't get over how short Cullen is in Winter Palace - even if everywhere else he's taller than my female (human or elf) Quizzys.



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In non-DLC news, I finally noticed that the 'Thelm Golden-Handed' Codex entry is right next to the drawing of a giant green bear (Dirthamen's symbol being the bear, yes?) and what's probably Ghilan'nain.  :lol: I can be a bit slow.

 

Did you also notice Dirthamen's statue above it?



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Did you also notice Dirthamen's statue above it?

Er, yes, definitely... :ph34r:

:lol:

*coughchangingthesubjectcough*

Anyone else notice how the Elven Glyphs in the Exalted Plains mention the Hawk and Hare chasing the Sun? I can almost see the stories of Andruil hunting in the Abyss-

Oh. Isn't the area below the Deep Roads referred to as an Abyss? And Andruil hunted 'The Forgotten Ones, wicked things that thrive in the abyss,". But from Geldauran's Codex, it seems like the Forgotten Ones were just a group that wanted to become gods like the Creators and were rejected by the Creators. So they retreated to build up their strength. I could see Andruil hunting some Forgotten Ones that sought refuge underground, and while hunting them she became infected by a blighted Titan. None of this explains where the Blight comes from in the first place, of course. That, or Andruil wasn't hunting Forgotten Ones, she was hunting forgotten ones, the Titans themselves.  :lol: Presumably she brought a pick-ax.


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So I was catching up on the thread and I'm surprised that so many take the Fen'Harel and Andruil story as fact instead of a fable. Which is interesting, since most take the story of Fen'Harel and the Slow Arrow to be a symbolical fable but don't take it literal.

 

I'm more of the impression that the story with Andruil is also a fable. If we are of the impression that Solas freed the common elves from the gods tyranny or something similar (which seems to be the case) then I'm sure a lot of fables turned up about him outsmarting both the gods and the forgotten ones, and the story with Andruil is a prime example (as is the Slow Arrow).

 

Of course it could be a literal 100% true story, but to me it seems like a fable.

 

Also, on the topic of Fen'Harel's (or Solas') past lovers, I doubt he was involved with any of the Elvhen Pantheon themselves. He doesn't seem to have a very nice opinion about any of them, except Mythal.

 

 

While I don't think it's been confirmed he did say this..
It's rumored that they will be revealing DLC at PAX Prime, but its not confirmed.

 

Oh, it's been confirmed that there will be a content announcement at PAX Prime:

 

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No, I think it may simply be some sort of um, bug? Maybe some Frostbite issue. People can change heights from cutscene to cutscene or when we approach them - I think some of it depends on the terrain.

 

The models float and/or sink into the floor in some cutscenes to make heights work.  It happens with Dorian and Adaar so their heads can be the same height in the first kiss, which is hilarious to me.  Dorian has to stand on a stack of boxes or books to get his smooches  :wub:



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A thought just occurred to me. 

 

You know when the Inquisitor & co are in the Fade in Adamant where they meet Divine Justinia (sort of) and she tells the Inquisitor to recover his/her memories ?

 

The second to last memory, the one where the Inquisitor enters the room where Justinia was about to be sacrificed, Corypheus gets distracted, Justinia swats the Orb out of his hand, the Inquisitor holds it in their left hand...

 

That was what caused the explosion...Which caused the Breach and caused Justinia and the Inquisitor to be thrown into the Fade directly....

 

It does mean that the explosion that wiped out the Conclave and caused the subsequent Breach and Rifts everywhere...is our Inquisitor's fault for not being able to control the Orb in the beginning, isn't it ?

 

I think it's a shame that there was no choice of a a shocked "so it was my fault after all" reaction, because that's what my Inquisitor felt in that moment. Kind of irrational, but since she touched it when it went off ... knowing that would easily shake you up, I think.


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So Heidrun Thaig has statues similar to the Claws of Dumat and the suspiciously elfy statues in the Crestwood outpost, which I definitely noticed myself and not by reading the Heidrun wiki entry just now.  ;)

I don't even know, people.  :wacko: I'm lost.



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Hey, Caddius, did you also happen to take a closer look at the Song of Elgar'nan you find at the Temple of Mythal? Now that we can confirm Titans to be a thing, how do you suppose this ties into the "hunting the Pillars of the Earth" bit of a different codex? Forgotten Ones, Titans, the possible sheltering of Forgotten Ones by Titans.. This is just like that one time everyone thought elves caused everything. :P

 

Elgar'nan, Wrath and Thunder,
Give us glory.
Give us victory, over the Earth that shakes our cities.
Strike the usurpers with your lightning.
Burn the ground under your gaze.
Bring Winged Death against those who throw down our work.

Elgar'nan, help us tame the land.


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A thought just occurred to me. 

 

You know when the Inquisitor & co are in the Fade in Adamant where they meet Divine Justinia (sort of) and she tells the Inquisitor to recover his/her memories ?

 

The second to last memory, the one where the Inquisitor enters the room where Justinia was about to be sacrificed, Corypheus gets distracted, Justinia swats the Orb out of his hand, the Inquisitor holds it in their left hand...

 

That was what caused the explosion...Which caused the Breach and caused Justinia and the Inquisitor to be thrown into the Fade directly....

 

It does mean that the explosion that wiped out the Conclave and caused the subsequent Breach and Rifts everywhere...is our Inquisitor's fault for not being able to control the Orb in the beginning, isn't it ?

 

I think it's a shame that there was no choice of a a shocked "so it was my fault after all" reaction, because that's what my Inquisitor felt in that moment. Kind of irrational, but since she touched it when it went off ... knowing that would easily shake you up, I think.

 

I've headcanoned that reaction myself. I guess since they're in the middle of fighting demons and trying to escape the fade, there's not much time for inky to actually express their guilt, but they might secretly blame themselves later.

 

But objectively, is it really the Inquisitor's fault? What Cory was about to do might have caused the Breach anyway. And even if it didn't, wouldn't Cory succeeding in his plan cause bigger problems than fade rifts? It's still lucky that the Inquisitor stumbled upon the ritual, in the case of a good Inquisitor at least. 



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Hey, Caddius, did you also happen to take a closer look at the Song of Elgar'nan you find at the Temple of Mythal? Now that we can confirm Titans to be a thing, how do you suppose this ties into the "hunting the Pillars of the Earth" bit of a different codex? Forgotten Ones, Titans, the possible sheltering of Forgotten Ones by Titans.. This is just like that one time everyone thought elves caused everything. :P

 

Elgar'nan, Wrath and Thunder,
Give us glory.
Give us victory, over the Earth that shakes our cities.
Strike the usurpers with your lightning.
Burn the ground under your gaze.
Bring Winged Death against those who throw down our work.

Elgar'nan, help us tame the land.

 

I shall deconstruct the song for you.

 

Line 1: Elgar'nan is the master of skies and of weather. This could imply that Elgar'nan's skill in primal magics as well as possible control over high dragons.

 

Line 2: Those who worship Elgar'nan wish to gain power from him.

 

Line 3: Implying that the Titans are stirring up and causing trouble; hence, the prayer to Elgar'nan.

 

Line 4: More evidence of Elgar'nan's mastery and power of primal magics. This could also be a reference to Elgar'nan as a Zeus-like figure.

 

Line 5: Elgar'nan is also gifted in elemental magics, hence the word "burn". It could also be a reference to hurting the Titans with magical fire.

 

Line 6: Winged Death here either refers to High Dragons or to Griffons or perhaps both. "Throw down their work" could be references to earthquakes that sink the livelihood of Elves in the ground.

 

Line 7: Implication that the land is unstable, experiences of possible earthquakes due to Titans; hence, the request to Elgar'nan to tame the Titans, most likely by killing it.

 

This song is one that is, in my opinion, entirely devoted to the ancient Elves having trouble with Titans (perhaps they upsetted the balance of the Fade forces ?) and imploring Elgar'nan for help. Whether Elgar'nan responded or not is another question entirely.


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I'm going to go with yes, the meaning of the song specifically is very easy to connect to involving Titans, but it muddies the overall relationship elves had with the dwarves. There's no direct lore that contradicts the idea that elves and dwarves were friendly with each other, and yet when it comes to Titans specifically, there seems to have been some serious animosity. The ancestors of House Cadesh sheltered many elves after the fall of Arlathan, and before that the elves had eluvians in thaigs, traded freely, and some theories paint June as a possible dwarf.

 

How does that kind of relationship (post-Titan separation for most dwarves?) survive when the Titans presumably held dominion over dwarves, or sheltered them, or gave them an original purpose, or any number of things that used to tie them together?

Did hunting the Pillars of the Earth release their soulless workers from a compulsion Titans hold/held over dwarves? 


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I'm going to go with yes, the meaning of the song specifically is very easy to connect to involving Titans, but it muddies the overall relationship elves had with the dwarves. There's no direct lore that contradicts the idea that elves and dwarves were friendly with each other, and yet when it comes to Titans specifically, there seems to have been some serious animosity. The ancestors of House Cadesh sheltered many elves after the fall of Arlathan, and before that the elves had eluvians in thaigs, traded freely, and some theories paint June as a possible dwarf.

 

How does that kind of relationship (post-Titan separation for most dwarves?) survive when the Titans presumably held dominion over dwarves, or sheltered them, or gave them an original purpose, or any number of things that used to tie them together?

Did hunting the Pillars of the Earth release their soulless workers from a compulsion Titans hold/held over dwarves? 

 

I am of the opinion that not all the Dwarves liked the idea of being enslaved or being part of a hive mind collective under the Titan.

 

We can actually observe a somewhat similar form of disagreement between modern day Theodosian dwarves in the form of two main dwarven factions: underground dwarves versus surface dwarves. They do not actually fight with one another but they have a fundamentally different way of going about and doing things.

 

I believe in ancient times, there were two main dwarven factions: Pro Titan and Anti Titan. The Pro Titan would be the ones like Shaper Valta who like being part of the Titan's hive mind whereas the Anti Titan would be the ones like Varric Tethras who like being free to live his life on his own terms. Perhaps there was a war between these two factions that the ancient Elves got involved with somehow ?

 

On another note, do anyone still remember Flemeth's words ? "For a reckoning that will shake the very heavens." Shake. In fact if you hear her dialogue she emphasizes the word 'shake'. What could possibly shake the heavens other than the Titans ?


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So I'm listening to companion's comments on locations, and there's so many wonderful comments I never got in-game. I just heard this gem from Solas about the Western Approach:

 

"This is when I appreciate learning the magic to prevent sunburn on a bald head."

 

Maybe I never got it because I always equip him with an elven cowl?


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I shall deconstruct the song for you.

 

Line 1: Elgar'nan is the master of skies and of weather. This could imply that Elgar'nan's skill in primal magics as well as possible control over high dragons.

 

Line 2: Those who worship Elgar'nan wish to gain power from him.

 

Line 3: Implying that the Titans are stirring up and causing trouble; hence, the prayer to Elgar'nan.

 

Line 4: More evidence of Elgar'nan's mastery and power of primal magics. This could also be a reference to Elgar'nan as a Zeus-like figure.

 

Line 5: Elgar'nan is also gifted in elemental magics, hence the word "burn". It could also be a reference to hurting the Titans with magical fire.

 

Line 6: Winged Death here either refers to High Dragons or to Griffons or perhaps both. "Throw down their work" could be references to earthquakes that sink the livelihood of Elves in the ground.

 

Line 7: Implication that the land is unstable, experiences of possible earthquakes due to Titans; hence, the request to Elgar'nan to tame the Titans, most likely by killing it.

 

This song is one that is, in my opinion, entirely devoted to the ancient Elves having trouble with Titans (perhaps they upsetted the balance of the Fade forces ?) and imploring Elgar'nan for help. Whether Elgar'nan responded or not is another question entirely.

Don't forget that Elgar'nan probably had the power to turn into a dragon as well, as the codex for the "Sinner" suggests that that form was reserved for the Creators and their chosen in ancient Elvhenan. Mythal is already known to take such a form, and Elgar'nan Falon'din and Sylaise's codex entries all suggest that they took the form of dragons sometimes - having wings, fiery breath, etc.


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So I'm listening to companion's comments on locations, and there's so many wonderful comments I never got in-game. I just heard this gem from Solas about the Western Approach:

 

"This is when I appreciate learning the magic to prevent sunburn on a bald head."

 

Maybe I never got it because I always equip him with an elven cowl?

I wonder just how much health and beauty magic Solas knows that he never shares - if he can keep a sunburn off, he can probably regulate his body temperature too, which is why he doesn't get frostbite without shoes, probably knows a spell to stop his hair from growing; maybe something to keep the mud off, and keep his clothes from getting wet in the rain.


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So I'm listening to companion's comments on locations, and there's so many wonderful comments I never got in-game. I just heard this gem from Solas about the Western Approach:

 

"This is when I appreciate learning the magic to prevent sunburn on a bald head."

 

Maybe I never got it because I always equip him with an elven cowl?

 

I always thought Solas absorbed sunlight and sun's radiation through his bald head, like how a Kryptonian would absorb a sun's radiation, to gain moar powah. :P

 

Don't forget that Elgar'nan probably had the power to turn into a dragon as well, as the codex for the "Sinner" suggests that that form was reserved for the Creators and their chosen in ancient Elvhenan. Mythal is already known to take such a form, and Elgar'nan Falon'din and Sylaise's codex entries all suggest that they took the form of dragons sometimes - having wings, fiery breath, etc.

 

Yes, I forgot about that. Does this mean that Solas can transform into a High Dragon ?
 

I wonder just how much health and beauty magic Solas knows that he never shares - if he can keep a sunburn off, he can probably regulate his body temperature too, which is why he doesn't get frostbite without shoes, probably knows a spell to stop his hair from growing; maybe something to keep the mud off, and keep his clothes from getting wet in the rain.

 

He also probably knows magics to enhance his virility and the potency of his...equipment...Probably why even Andruil went gaga for him...


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I always thought Solas absorbed sunlight and sun's radiation through his bald head, like how a Kryptonian would absorb a sun's radiation, to gain moar powah. :P

 

 

 

Yes, I forgot about that. Does this mean that Solas can transform into a High Dragon ?

 

I'm pretty sure if he wanted to, he could have learned, but his thing is wolves, he is the Dread Wolf because that is his totem animal for whatever reason. Even his mosaic in Mythal's temple showed him in the form of a wolf, not in elf form which suggests he may have gone among the elves in that form frequently, and stood out because of it. (Some have taken his form in the mural to imply that his natural form is actually a wolf, but I know a lot of fans especially people who romanced him feel very conflicted or reject that theory out of hand. In the codex he is said to be kin to the Creators, so I think he pretty much has to be an actual elf - unless it means kin in the spiritual sense.).


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I'm pretty sure if he wanted to, he could have learned, but his thing is wolves, he is the Dread Wolf because that is his totem animal for whatever reason. Even his mosaic in Mythal's temple showed him in the form of a wolf, not in elf form which suggests he may have gone among the elves in that form frequently, and stood out because of it. (Some have taken his form in the mural to imply that his natural form is actually a wolf, but I know a lot of fans especially people who romanced him feel very conflicted or reject that theory out of hand. In the codex he is said to be kin to the Creators, so I think he pretty much has to be an actual elf.).

 

Silly question, but if Solas' form is Wolves and he is the Dread Wolf, does he have any relations whatsoever to werewolves ? Idk, would one become a werewolf if bitten by Fen'Harel in his wolf form ? Is he in any way related to or could know about Witherfang which is a powerful spirit that transforms into a great wolf.



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Silly question, but if Solas' form is Wolves and he is the Dread Wolf, does he have any relations whatsoever to werewolves ? Idk, would one become a werewolf if bitten by Fen'Harel in his wolf form ? Is he in any way related to or could know about Witherfang which is a powerful spirit that transforms into a great wolf.

 

I don't think the Dalish have werewolf legends in the same way that Fereldens do (Dane and the Wolf, etc.)  The werewolf stuff in DA:O affects the Dalish, but that's the product of Zathrian's meddling with the Lady of the Forest/Witherfang.  And for lack of a better way of putting it, the "wolf-ish" characteristics that get emphasized in stories of Fen'Harel are his intelligence, resourcefulness, and ruthlessness, not the more bestial nature that figures into the werewolf curse.


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Silly question, but if Solas' form is Wolves and he is the Dread Wolf, does he have any relations whatsoever to werewolves ? Idk, would one become a werewolf if bitten by Fen'Harel in his wolf form ? Is he in any way related to or could know about Witherfang which is a powerful spirit that transforms into a great wolf.

I don't think there has been any lore that suggests he had anything to do with what Zathrian did in the Brecillian forest with Witherfang/the Lady of the Forest. The curse itself was induced by a spirit at Zathrian's behest, but I'm pretty sure that was Witherfang's own power not Fen'Harel's. Solas would dislike any kind of spell or curse that transformed people into something they were not against their will.