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Solas would dislike any kind of spell or curse that transformed people into something they were not against their will.

 

Especially since in doing so, Zathrian forced a Fade spirit into the physical body of a wolf.  I think that would horrify Solas, even if the Lady of the Forest did eventually make her peace with what had happened.  She seems like one of the rare "good" spirits that Solas really values.

 

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I wonder just how much health and beauty magic Solas knows that he never shares - if he can keep a sunburn off, he can probably regulate his body temperature too, which is why he doesn't get frostbite without shoes, probably knows a spell to stop his hair from growing; maybe something to keep the mud off, and keep his clothes from getting wet in the rain.

 

Back in his day magic was probably the natural way everyone dealed with chores and personal grooming. Casting a controlled lightning spell to zap unwanted hairs off your body was as mundane as shaving, and casting a thin barrier over your head was as commonplace as applying sunscreen. 

 

I noticed most companions would complain about the temperatures in different regions - the cold in the Emprise, the dry heat in the Western Approach, the dry cold in the Hissing Wastes. Solas never complains. You could say he's stoic, but maybe he does know a spell to control his body's temperature. Humans have brown fat that can burn calories to give off heat, but it's largely inactive in adults. Maybe Solas has magic to regulate it at will?
 

He does complain about dry desert air getting in his throat, and says he nearly died from lack of water when he travelled in the desert in the past, so that's one limit of how much he could do. In the Fallow Mire he says, "We may want to launder our clothes later. Or burn them.", so I don't think he can get the mud off his clothes magically. 


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Clarifying here that Witherfang is technically an abomination, not just a spirit. Zathrian bound a spirit into the body of a wolf and did some blood magic on top of it. Ancient elves and their gods might have been very close magically to spirits, but I don't believe getting bitten by one in either their humanoid or shapeshifted form can pass along a curse like Zathrian's spell could.

 

If that were the case, some Lavellans would be in a bit of a pickle, depending on how they headcanon Solas' bedroom habits. Teeth would be dangerous, indeed. :P


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I just noticed something while playing along DAI's main quest.

 

The Temple of Mythal's questline is called "What Pride Had Wrought".

 

Initially I thought this was just an interesting name for that particular quest.

 

However, "Solas" means "Pride" in Elven.

 

"What Solas Had Wrought".

 

Or it could mean that the Ancient Elves in their pride brought this on themselves.

 

Talk about perspectives...



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Back in his day magic was probably the natural way everyone dealed with chores and personal grooming. Casting a controlled lightning spell to zap unwanted hairs off your body was as mundane as shaving, and casting a thin barrier over your head was as commonplace as applying sunscreen. 

 

I noticed most companions would complain about the temperatures in different regions - the cold in the Emprise, the dry heat in the Western Approach, the dry cold in the Hissing Wastes. Solas never complains. You could say he's stoic, but maybe he does know a spell to control his body's temperature. Humans have brown fat that can burn calories to give off heat, but it's largely inactive in adults. Maybe Solas has magic to regulate it at will?
 

He does complain about dry desert air getting in his throat, and says he nearly died from lack of water when he travelled in the desert in the past, so that's one limit of how much he could do. In the Fallow Mire he says, "We may want to launder our clothes later. Or burn them.", so I don't think he can get the mud off his clothes magically. 

I think the Fallow Mire is just so disgusting even magic can't hold it all back. :lol:

 


He also probably knows magics to enhance his virility and the potency of his...equipment...Probably why even Andruil went gaga for him...

In my mind those would probably the sort of spells that everyone knew, so common it wasn't really even a thing.

 

I don't believe Andruil wanted him in her bed as a lover - she was so angry with him she wanted to dominate and degrade him by making him a sex slave, raping him any time she wanted for a year (since it's a Dalish legend perhaps the encounter never even happened, but it's colorful enough to suggest it was part of something bigger that did). Slavery in Elvhenan (which it appears includes having bed slaves) is something that Fen'Harel actively fights against, and was in conflict with the other Creators for trying to end in their time.


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If that were the case, some Lavellans would be in a bit of a pickle, depending on how they headcanon Solas' bedroom habits. Teeth would be dangerous, indeed. :P

 

Lavellan's already (potentially) a mage, the Herald, and the bearer of the Well of Sorrows.  Might as well add werewolf to the mix  :P



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Back in his day magic was probably the natural way everyone dealed with chores and personal grooming. Casting a controlled lightning spell to zap unwanted hairs off your body was as mundane as shaving, and casting a thin barrier over your head was as commonplace as applying sunscreen. 

 

I noticed most companions would complain about the temperatures in different regions - the cold in the Emprise, the dry heat in the Western Approach, the dry cold in the Hissing Wastes. Solas never complains.

 

He does, actually. He notices that it's quite cold in Emprise do Lion, and if you take him on Hissing Wates, he'll keep coughing and complaining that the air strips the throat. LOL, in fact with my banter toggle, he was complaining so much at one point, I was like 'oy, are you alright or are you about to get pneumonia?' :D

With that said, I wouldn't be surprised if either ancient elves or Dreamers or old elvhen gods managed to regulate or influence their physical forms, in a similar way Cole does. Cole doesn't eat... yet he bleeds. It's all very confusing, but it shows that beings that are closely connected with Fade can be more... fluid, I guess. Which probably also means that their form is also fluid, hence probably a lot of ancient elves were shapeshifters.


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Q. If you could change the forums in any way, to make it a more positive environment that Dev's would want to frequent and a more positive environment for everyone in general, what would you change? What rules would you update or enforce? How would you like to see the moderation system changed?

 

I've been thinking about this recently a fair bit. I've noticed the devs used to hang out more often, but nowadays tend to make themselves scarce. But I think it's a difficult question unless you can source the root of the problem.

 

Do they feel the forums aren't representative of all of their players - like, BSN has come to represent a distinctive minority of 'BioWare fans', but aren't necessarily typical? Maybe they want to attract a different audience or reach out to different parts of the fanbase (on twitter, on tumblr, etc.). Or maybe it's a case of general exhaustion - that fan interaction tires them out, and isn't that productive. I kind of wonder what aspects of the community make them feel like that - like, I know the parts of the tumblr community can be pretty narrow-minded toxic environments which don't accept criticism (this is probably an over-exaggeration - it's what I've heard, not experienced, since I'm the fandom on tumblr).

 

I know in my own experience - I don't want to be controversial by saying this, but I might as well be honest - but the main thing that's made me uncomfortable on this forum are some of the male gamers who believe they're be persecuted by feminists and think video games are being ruined by social justice movements. It's nasty. It's why I've never really strayed far from this thread, which is pretty nice and chill and more pre-occupied with lore discussion and fanart than politics. That's just me though, but I wonder if it's that attitude which is a factor? or whether it's to do with some users who seem to complain about the same issue again and again and again, because those are annoying too. Or whether it's just a shift in policy since all the controversy about the ME ending (and DA2, to a lesser extent). I'd kind of hate to work for Bioware in 2012, and I feel a bit sorry for the devs in all honesty.

 

As some context, I used to moderate a fan forum in my teens - don't ask, it's all slightly embarrassing in retrospect - and from that experience, I think this place could do with some dedicated fans who could be trusted as mods. Recruiting users can be risky (I've seen all kinds of controversy about bad admins/mods), but I think having moderators who are in touch with the community mean that they're more active and do their job better. Tighter moderation could help a lot - I'd like to see flaming curtailed in serious discussion, and I think some threads which are troll threads could be locked pretty early on. Although, this forum seems a bit gargantuan - there are threads thousands of pages long, it'd be difficult to sift through that (which makes me think there should be a page limit on threads - that you'd restart every 300 pages or so, just to make it easier to keep tabs).

 

Then again I've only been part of this community for a short time, so that's really just a guess on my part.


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Silly question, but if Solas' form is Wolves and he is the Dread Wolf, does he have any relations whatsoever to werewolves ? Idk, would one become a werewolf if bitten by Fen'Harel in his wolf form ? Is he in any way related to or could know about Witherfang which is a powerful spirit that transforms into a great wolf.

 

It's not a silly question, it's a good one.  :)

 

On thinking about it, I don't think he would. At least, not any more than any other spirits or wolves, unless it happened to be a spirit or wolf he knows personally.

 

In this world, werewolves are created when a demon possesses a wolf (much like when a possesses a mage) and/or by summoning a spirit and binding it to a wolf, which drives both of them mad and makes the spirit into a demon and the wolf rapid. I don't think Solas would want to hurt a spirit by summoning it against its will, or hurt both it and the wolf both by binding them to each other.

 

I think he might have nothing but pity for a werewolf, the same way he has nothing but pity for spirits driven mad by being pulled through the Breach, or being summoned against their will and/or corrupted from their original nature by ignorant mages.

 

Unless he happened to cross paths with the Lady of the Forest or Witherfang or members of her pack in the Fade, before or after Zathrien's curse, I don't see where he would have any special connection to them.

 

As for whether he ever bit anyone in his wolf form and made a werewolf, or whether he even has a wolf form? *shrug* I don't know. Maybe he was the first werewolf ever, or the most powerful or high-functioning one.



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As for whether he ever bit anyone in his wolf form and made a werewolf, or whether he even has a wolf form? *shrug* I don't know. Maybe he was the first werewolf ever, or the most powerful or high-functioning one.

 

The werewolf curse appears to be involuntary, though, and the shapeshifting we've seen so far from Flemythal and her daughters (and perhaps the Warden) is completely voluntary.  They have the animal's senses and some of their instincts, but the mage is still in complete control of the new form.  If he does have a wolf form, Solas IMO is probably more like a shapeshifter.



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Back in his day magic was probably the natural way everyone dealed with chores and personal grooming. Casting a controlled lightning spell to zap unwanted hairs off your body was as mundane as shaving, and casting a thin barrier over your head was as commonplace as applying sunscreen. 

 

I noticed most companions would complain about the temperatures in different regions - the cold in the Emprise, the dry heat in the Western Approach, the dry cold in the Hissing Wastes. Solas never complains. You could say he's stoic, but maybe he does know a spell to control his body's temperature. Humans have brown fat that can burn calories to give off heat, but it's largely inactive in adults. Maybe Solas has magic to regulate it at will?

 

The Ancient Elves also had the Arcane Warrior class, which allowed them to channel their magic inward and make their weapons and bodies stronger from within, rather than just shooting magic from their hands (like creating ice blasts and fireballs and other things).

 

Maybe they had other ways of turning their magic inward? Like regulating internal body temperature to deal with different environments, like you said.

 

I wouldn't be surprised.  :)


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The werewolf curse appears to be involuntary, though, and the shapeshifting we've seen so far from Flemythal and her daughters (and perhaps the Warden) is completely voluntary.  They have the animal's senses and some of their instincts, but the mage is still in complete control of the new form.  If he does have a wolf form, Solas IMO is probably more like a shapeshifter.

 

And then there's that whole thing from Jaws of Hakkon about Ameridan vs. the Fell Wolf.  Which sounded a lot like a form the Dread Wolf might take, but we have no evidence as to whether or not it was him, one way or the other.



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The Ancient Elves also had the Arcane Warrior class, which allowed them to channel their magic inward and make their weapons and bodies stronger from within, rather than just shooting magic from their hands (like creating ice blasts and fireballs and other things).

 

Maybe they had other ways of turning their magic inward? Like regulating internal body temperature to deal with different environments, like you said.

 

I wouldn't be surprised.  :)

 

I seem to remember from somewhere that the elves of Thedas are supposed to be highly adaptable.  It might mean that, generally speaking, elves aren't bothered as much by extremes in temperature, even though other aspects of the environment (muck, sharp stones, dry, dusty air, etc) might still be problematic.  It would also explain why the devs decided Dalish should run around without shoes (but what about the Dalish boots from Origins??????).    How Solas avoids severe foot injury is beyond me...

 

Hm.  Another thought I have had, since playing The Descent and Jaws of Hakkon:

 

The dwarves are "children of the Stone," which may or may not be the Titans.

The humans are "children of the Maker," though whether you believe the Maker exists in the context of Thedas is subjective.

 

Now... humans are kind of jacks of all trade, and dwarves definitely have an affinity with earthy things and stone.

 

Elves, on the other hand... their affinity is with the Fade.  So, if we were to go out on a limb and assume that the Maker is real (whatever the Maker might turn out to be) and the dwarves were created by the Stone, then it seems most likely that the elves were created either from the Fade or from something in it.  I still think the first elves (possibly the Creators, minus Ghilan'ain) could have been spirits who became "real."  But if not... what would their creation myth be?  Who or what was the intelligence behind the elves?  So far, everyone else has such a story, except qunari.

 

And as for qunari... I suspect that they might be the first race, not the elves.  And then the elves enslaved them.  Wait, what? you ask... but those supposedly Tevinter and ancient elven bridges in the Emprise both feature qunari ladies.  There's a similar statue somewhere (and it's HUGE) in the Hissing Wastes.  Maybe more than one.  Why would Tevinters sculpt massive statues of qunari beauties?  And it does appear that they predate Tevinter in some cases.  If I'm right, then the qunari haven't changed tremendously in appearance, but clearly something has changed about them--Kieran notices.  Maybe they're really altered elves.  Maybe they are something else entirely.  Hard to say.

 

Regarding the Scaled Ones:  Did the Avvar conspiracy theorist from Jaws of Hakkon not also write something about lizard people?  He also babbled about moon men.  Maybe we shouldn't be so quick to entirely write him off.  This is Thedas we're talking about, after all.  And there are those paintings scattered around the Emerald Graves that depict lizard-men, too (though they look less human than what the dwarf in the codex entries of Descent described).

 

And speaking of other races... what are the Fex exactly and will we ever see them in-game?  Maybe they'd have some bearing on all of this...

 

If only Solas were more willing to stick around and tell the truth about who he is.  Then maybe we could answer some of these things.  Not all of them, of course.  But some.


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He does, actually. He notices that it's quite cold in Emprise do Lion, and if you take him on Hissing Wates, he'll keep coughing and complaining that the air strips the throat. LOL, in fact with my banter toggle, he was complaining so much at one point, I was like 'oy, are you alright or are you about to get pneumonia?' :D

With that said, I wouldn't be surprised if either ancient elves or Dreamers or old elvhen gods managed to regulate or influence their physical forms, in a similar way Cole does. Cole doesn't eat... yet he bleeds. It's all very confusing, but it shows that beings that are closely connected with Fade can be more... fluid, I guess. Which probably also means that their form is also fluid, hence probably a lot of ancient elves were shapeshifters.


Noted the comment about his dry throat in my post, missed him complaining about the cold. He still must be able to do something about those bare feet of his, though. (I love how if you upgrade his armor with legs, what you get is fancier foot wraps, but still with bare toes :) Maybe he prefers that, because it allows him to move more silently on hard terrain? Or it's better for climbing?).

I don't know if fluidity is because of having more of a connection to the fade, or just having the knowledge and ability to take a different shape, either through magic or being a spirit. I mean, their bodies themselves are not more fluid or nothing unusual, they just have enough knowledge and "indomitable focus" to cast the shapeshifting spell.

Come to think of it, there's something more confusing to me about Cole's shape: If spirits can form a physical body the way he does, why would they ever need to possess anyone? Why not just make yourself a body instead? Imshael also looked human, Wisdom looked almost human. I guess it could depend on how powerful a spirit is...
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Come to think of it, there's something more confusing to me about Cole's shape: If spirits can form a physical body the way he does, why would they ever need to possess anyone? Why not just make yourself a body instead? Imshael also looked human, Wisdom looked almost human. I guess it could depend on how powerful a spirit is...

 

That, and how much the spirit can comprehend the mortal world.  Imshael seems to have a very good grasp of mortal thought and psychology, hence the more human-looking form.  Same with Cole (relatively speaking) and Wisdom.  The codex entries on shades emphasize how confusing the mortal realm is for most spirits; the stronger ones that can't find physical bodies to possess siphon energy from living creatures, eventually gaining enough power to make themselves a body.  But because they are not familiar with the physical world, they create "bodies" that look amorphous or monstrous.


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Cole has something to say about the stars too:

Cole: Look at all the stars. They are so far away. Some of them are gone.

Solas: Vast but still. Does it bother you, how different it looks than the sky in the Fade?

Cole: At first, I didn't remember. Now I just want to forget.

 

Does that mean stars are closer in the fade? Are some strangely missing (assuming he's not referencing still being able to see the light of dead stars)? Are they not still?

 

Many thoughts.. :pinched:.

 

Maybe it's just my brain being too science oriented, but I took Cole's comments as sort of out of character/out of world knowledge of astronomy. So, yeah, I did assume he meant still being able to see the light of dead stars. It kinda goes along with Weekes referencing movie plots and such with Cole/Solas banter. I thought it was a rather clever/pretty line.

 

If time doesn't pass in the Fade as we normally experience it, perhaps there one can see stars go dark as they die. The night sky would be in a constant state of flux...stars dying and being born. In comparison our night sky would be still and unchanging.

 

Then again to shemlen nothing in the natural world seems to change since astrological and geological change comes so slowly. No one lives long enough to notice the change. Maybe that's related too. Spirits in the fade (as well as elven gods) would be long lived and see the change.


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Art time

 

Solas Lines and Colored

http://celestriansta...ative-554436159

 

Solas and Lavellan's dance at Halamshiral

http://ancaxbre.devi...dance-554432789

 

The Wolf and the Wild Hart

http://ancaxbre.devi...-hart-554414389

 

Come Back

http://ancaxbre.devi...-back-554403216

 

Solas collecting bees

http://ellen888.devi...-bees-554403698

 

The memory of young qunari who hid sugar in the bread dough as a little sign of rebellion.

http://ancaxbre.devi...-fade-554399620

 

Solas and Lavellan Sketches NSFW adult themes :-P

http://pre05.deviant...row-d961lxc.jpg

Source - http://morrigaincrow...hings-554348352

 

Solas and Lavellan digital art

http://madamgoth.dev...rting-554279722

 

And just because I like it...

Anders Meets Cole

http://liannimal.dev...-Cole-554350584


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Maybe it's just my brain being too science oriented, but I took Cole's comments as sort of out of character/out of world knowledge of astronomy. So, yeah, I did assume he meant still being able to see the light of dead stars. It kinda goes along with Weekes referencing movie plots and such with Cole/Solas banter. I thought it was a rather clever/pretty line.

 

Well, if Cole is able to assess that some of the light reaching their planet now is emanating from a star that is long dead, it means that some part of him can basically cross what can be billions of light years across their universe in what seems to be a mater of seconds. That's... kind of unnerving  :huh:


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Come to think of it, there's something more confusing to me about Cole's shape: If spirits can form a physical body the way he does, why would they ever need to possess anyone? Why not just make yourself a body instead? Imshael also looked human, Wisdom looked almost human. I guess it could depend on how powerful a spirit is...

 

Well, Solas himself noted that Cole is unique. I think it stems from the fact that he has quite a developed personality (a rarity among spirits, it seems) as well as willingness to cross the Veil - that might've been somewhat accidental, as Cole basically really wanted to help real Cole, yet it seems that this impulse was what basically 'created' him.


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I've been thinking about this recently a fair bit. I've noticed the devs used to hang out more often, but nowadays tend to make themselves scarce. But I think it's a difficult question unless you can source the root of the problem.

Do they feel the forums aren't representative of all of their players - like, BSN has come to represent a distinctive minority of 'BioWare fans', but aren't necessarily typical? Maybe they want to attract a different audience or reach out to different parts of the fanbase (on twitter, on tumblr, etc.). Or maybe it's a case of general exhaustion - that fan interaction tires them out, and isn't that productive. I kind of wonder what aspects of the community make them feel like that - like, I know the parts of the tumblr community can be pretty narrow-minded toxic environments which don't accept criticism (this is probably an over-exaggeration - it's what I've heard, not experienced, since I'm the fandom on tumblr).

I know in my own experience - I don't want to be controversial by saying this, but I might as well be honest - but the main thing that's made me uncomfortable on this forum are some of the male gamers who believe they're be persecuted by feminists and think video games are being ruined by social justice movements. It's nasty. It's why I've never really strayed far from this thread, which is pretty nice and chill and more pre-occupied with lore discussion and fanart than politics. That's just me though, but I wonder if it's that attitude which is a factor? or whether it's to do with some users who seem to complain about the same issue again and again and again, because those are annoying too. Or whether it's just a shift in policy since all the controversy about the ME ending (and DA2, to a lesser extent). I'd kind of hate to work for Bioware in 2012, and I feel a bit sorry for the devs in all honesty.

As some context, I used to moderate a fan forum in my teens - don't ask, it's all slightly embarrassing in retrospect - and from that experience, I think this place could do with some dedicated fans who could be trusted as mods. Recruiting users can be risky (I've seen all kinds of controversy about bad admins/mods), but I think having moderators who are in touch with the community mean that they're more active and do their job better. Tighter moderation could help a lot - I'd like to see flaming curtailed in serious discussion, and I think some threads which are troll threads could be locked pretty early on. Although, this forum seems a bit gargantuan - there are threads thousands of pages long, it'd be difficult to sift through that (which makes me think there should be a page limit on threads - that you'd restart every 300 pages or so, just to make it easier to keep tabs).

Then again I've only been part of this community for a short time, so that's really just a guess on my part.


Thank you for taking the time to respond. Would it be okay if I sent you a private message? I would love to continue the conversation but don't want to derail the thread too much.

I think several people are interested in seeing what joining forces to improve the community would accomplish. There are many people who believe the same as you, maybe one or two of your points, maybe all. I think interested parties should open a discussion on it.
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Maybe it's just my brain being too science oriented, but I took Cole's comments as sort of out of character/out of world knowledge of astronomy. So, yeah, I did assume he meant still being able to see the light of dead stars. It kinda goes along with Weekes referencing movie plots and such with Cole/Solas banter. I thought it was a rather clever/pretty line.

  

It also suggests the Thedas universe is somewhat similar astronomically to ours. 

 

 

The night sky would be in a constant state of flux...stars dying and being born. In comparison our night sky would be still and unchanging.

 

That would mean that the time it takes a star to be born, exist, and die is "compressed" in the fade and what would be millions to billions of years in the physical world could be a few hours in the fade. If Inky&Co went into the fade for a few hours, they would come back out and their own sun would be dead. 

 

 

Then again to shemlen nothing in the natural world seems to change since astrological and geological change comes so slowly. No one lives long enough to notice the change. Maybe that's related too. Spirits in the fade (as well as elven gods) would be long lived and see the change.

 

 

I find it exciting to think instead there's a certain "timelessness" to how spirits perceive everything. We can only perceive a point in time, our "now". But all points together form the line of time. So what if a spirit can see the whole line, everything at once, from past to present, and maybe even the future? They can see a person as both a child, adult, and elder. Nothing is ever truly gone to them, they see it there, existing at a point in the line. Nothing in game to suggest that, just my craziness. 

 

 

Well, if Cole is able to assess that some of the light reaching their planet now is emanating from a star that is long dead, it means that some part of him can basically cross what an be billions of light years across their universe in what seems to be a mater of seconds. That's... kind of unnerving   :huh:

 

Maybe he just picked up the lingering thoughts of a long gone astronomer, or some knowledge from Solas' head. I can imagine Solas contemplating in sadness how even stars perish, but someone, somewhere might still see their light.

 

(I wonder how much the ancient elves knew and were interested in space. Could some of those eluvians lead to other planets? Did they send any radio broadcasts appealing to extra-Thedosian life forms?)


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(I'll get to the Song of Elgar'nan after dinner, but I think my thoughts go along with Habit and Electricfish. :) )

For the 'not all dwarves like being part of the Titan hive-mind idea'..Dagna. Dagna's weird-ass comment makes sense now.

"Like the lyrium needs to flow, but if you're part of it, it takes you with it. So you can't be part of it. That makes me sad."

If you're joined with a Titan, you're part of something glorious, but it also takes away your identity. And Dagna's bitter that as appealing as it is to go 'full dwarf', she isn't willing to do it. That's my interpretation, anyway.  :P


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The werewolf curse appears to be involuntary, though, and the shapeshifting we've seen so far from Flemythal and her daughters (and perhaps the Warden) is completely voluntary.  They have the animal's senses and some of their instincts, but the mage is still in complete control of the new form.  If he does have a wolf form, Solas IMO is probably more like a shapeshifter.

 

Maybe...

 

Do you think it also might be possible that he was a spirit who peacefully joined with a wolf; closer to Wynne and her spirit of faith-type "abominations," rather than the violent and involuntary abominations from... well, most everywhere else?

 

I seem to remember from somewhere that the elves of Thedas are supposed to be highly adaptable.  It might mean that, generally speaking, elves aren't bothered as much by extremes in temperature, even though other aspects of the environment (muck, sharp stones, dry, dusty air, etc) might still be problematic.  It would also explain why the devs decided Dalish should run around without shoes (but what about the Dalish boots from Origins??????).    How Solas avoids severe foot injury is beyond me...

 

That could be it! I'd like to think that elves are more adaptable than other races.  :)

 

As for everything else you said, those are all really good theories, but I don't really have any good thoughts to answer them. Sorry!  :unsure:

Noted the comment about his dry throat in my post, missed him complaining about the cold. He still must be able to do something about those bare feet of his, though. (I love how if you upgrade his armor with legs, what you get is fancier foot wraps, but still with bare toes :)

 

Hahaha!

 

To be honest, that's why this is one of my favorite bits of Solas fan art, even though it's so silly. (Well, because of it.  :P )

 

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(Sorry, I looked and looked but couldn't find the original artist. I just found it on pinterest. I don't know where the source is. Please don't be mad at me or say I stole it!)

 

I don't know if fluidity is because of having more of a connection to the fade, or just having the knowledge and ability to take a different shape, either through magic or being a spirit. I mean, their bodies themselves are not more fluid or nothing unusual, they just have enough knowledge and "indomitable focus" to cast the shapeshifting spell.


Come to think of it, there's something more confusing to me about Cole's shape: If spirits can form a physical body the way he does, why would they ever need to possess anyone? Why not just make yourself a body instead? Imshael also looked human, Wisdom looked almost human. I guess it could depend on how powerful a spirit is...

 

Maybe it takes more "indomitable focus" than most spirits have?

 

I think Solas said most spirits find this world very alien and bizarre, so they look very alien and bizzare because it reflects their inability to comprehend this world. He also said they're traumatized when they're pulled through the Breach, which makes the friendly spirits into demons, and the demons twisted and monstrous and hostile.

 

Maybe so many spirits (sorry, demons) want to take a mortal body because it's easier for them to adapt to the physical world when there's an already made body waiting for them?

 

I mean, Cole has looked like a young man for years, but sometimes even he gets overwhelmed by the many things he sees, smells, and feels, and needs Solas to talk him through all the things he's experiencing. In fact, he felt "lost" for a long time after he came to the physical world and thought he was a ghost, because looking like a young man and living in the physical world made him forget the Fade and forget he was a spirit for a long time.

 

That might be more than most spirits can cope with, so it's easier to just take over an already-made body and absorb all the host's already-made memories and understanding of the physical world, rather than try to start from scratch and figure it all out on their own.


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Thank you for taking the time to respond. Would it be okay if I sent you a private message? I would love to continue the conversation but don't want to derail the thread too much.

I think several people are interested in seeing what joining forces to improve the community would accomplish. There are many people who believe the same as you, maybe one or two of your points, maybe all. I think interested parties should open a discussion on it.

 

Of course, feel free!


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Maybe...
 
Do you think it also might be possible that he was a spirit who peacefully joined with a wolf; closer to Wynne and her spirit of faith-type "abominations," rather than the violent and involuntary abominations from... well, most everywhere else?


I think it's possible. It's even possible that this is the origin of the elven gods in general. I mean, if there's one thing we've learned from DA:I it's that we don't know s*** about anything, and the variety of things that can be accomplished with magic are really only limited by the participating individuals. Just look at the Avvar.
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