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[Abelis]

Aneth ara! Fade hugs!

 

 

 

 

That's how it was for me as well, at first I thought he was just this fade-obsessed weirdo. 

 

I thought he was a weirdo too! So much for first appearances! Scratch beyond the surface and maybe there is a whole new world to experience  

 

[Abelis]

1) Also he's very secretive, which I find tantalizing. He's not an open book and you have to analyze everything he says. 

 

2) Finally, his beliefs in "cause and effect" and "wisdom as its own reward" match mine, though I'd never seen them so beautifully expressed before I started this game. 

 

 

 

 

 

1) I really like he is not an open book, that you have to understand him with as little as he says..You have to try, open your mind to what is and what could be, exercise your EQ, and put your self in his shoes (ok im a bit metagaming, he gives so little to quizzy, i try to be in his shoes as a player)  as little as he gives you and try to see things from a different angle..(so intriguing and enlightening!)

 

 

2) Word

[electricfish]

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I'd be careful about tying together the Old Gods and the Forgotten Ones. The timeline of when they were established is currently unknown, except for one note by Geldauran, which also happens to be written in elvish. He, at least, proclaimed himself Forgotten and turned towards that path of being an antagonist at some point before the elvhen empire fell.

 

While it's possible Geldauran (or any of the other Forgotten Ones) traveled across the sea to influence the minds of the first Dreamers and the Neromenian human tribes, we don't know enough information about them to say one way or the other.

 

What is interesting is that this note is found within Jaws of Hakkon, whose main story involves an Avvar god (spirit) who was bound in the body of a mortal creature. That doesn't seem like a big deal, but the thing is, Hakkon stopped being able to communicate with the Avvar after he was bound. I believe Thane Sun-Hair even says "he fell silent."  That's kind of a big deal that got lost in all the Avvar and Razikale lore many people didn't seem to care much about.

 

Now, do you suppose there's another event in history which Hakkon's situation seems similar to? Some other god-spirits who used to communicate or display their power to their followers, but fell silent after a major magical event? Interesting implications if we can say the Old Gods officially became bound to their mortal dragon forms after the invasion of the Golden City, huh?

[midnight tea]

I'd be careful about tying together the Old Gods and the Forgotten Ones. The timeline of when they were established is currently unknown, except for one note by Geldauran, which also happens to be written in elvish. He, at least, proclaimed himself Forgotten and turned towards that path of being an antagonist at some point before the elvhen empire fell.

 

While it's possible Geldauran (or any of the other Forgotten Ones) traveled across the sea to influence the minds of the first Dreamers and the Neromenian human tribes, we don't know enough information about them to say one way or the other.

 

What is interesting is that this note is found within Jaws of Hakkon, whose main story involves an Avvar god (spirit) who was bound in the body of a mortal creature. That doesn't seem like a big deal, but the thing is, Hakkon stopped being able to communicate with the Avvar after he was bound. I believe Thane Sun-Hair even says "he fell silent."  That's kind of a big deal that got lost in all the Avvar and Razikale lore many people didn't seem to care much about.

 

Now, do you suppose there's another event in history which Hakkon's situation seems similar to? Some other god-spirits who used to communicate or display their power to their followers, but fell silent after a major magical event? Interesting implications if we can say the Old Gods officially became bound to their mortal dragon forms after the invasion of the Golden City, huh?

 

What's interesting is that apparently the Hakkonites who bound Hakkon to dragon body were apparently led by whispers instructing them what to do in order to accomplish their goal.... What's suspicious is that it happened at a time the Second Blight was starting. Makes me wonder if someone orchestrated this from the shadows, in an effort to sow as much chaos as possible, by striking from two fronts at once?

 

In fact... why wouldn't they, in case they planned to use or empower the Blight? Because what Blight appears to be for me, is the concentration of all that is bad and foul, including negative emotions. Chaos and pain of people caught in it would just keep feeding it, in similar fashion they fed the Nightmare.

[electricfish]

What's interesting is that apparently the Hakkonites who bound Hakkon to dragon body were apparently led by whispers instructing them what to do in order to accomplish their goal.... What's suspicious is that it happened at a time the Second Blight was starting. Makes me wonder if someone orchestrated this from the shadows, in an effort to sow as much chaos as possible, by striking from two fronts at once?

 

In fact... why wouldn't they, in case they planned to use or empower the Blight? Because what Blight appears to be for me, is the concentration of all that is bad and foul, including negative emotions. Chaos and pain of people caught in it would just keep feeding it, in similar fashion they fed the Nightmare.

 

Oh, totally. I would not be surprised at all if going to the Golden City is what "officially" released the Blight, rather than the small bits that Andruil may or may not have spread after she went hunting in the Void. The elvhen pantheon (or at least Mythal) seems to have a pretty vested interest in the Blight and keeping it contained, especially considering that the Tevinter magisters were NOT the first people to be whispered to about going to the Golden City.

 

Tyrdda Bright-Ax was on the list before that, and lucky for her Mythal (leaf-eared lover/Lady of the Skies who took mortal form) was there to stop her from being influenced by Thelm Gold-Hang and convinced to invade the Golden City. 

 

SOMETHING was being contained there, and was released after the magisters stepped foot in it. Someone or several someones had a vested interest in convincing powerful mages to breach the Golden City, and the Blight could very well be a tool used to perpetuate whatever long-term goal they have.

Honestly, this is probably veering into tin foil hat territory, but Titans could be involved in the Blight somehow. Either one acquired the Blight, or it was created within a Titan somehow and kept locked within the Fade in the shape of the Golden City. 

[drosophila]

I am reading Doughnut Rebel right now, and I love it  It's fluffery and cute and feels like a sunny afternoon spent cuddling on the couch with baby nugs and mabari puppies. 

[FrankWisdom]

I'd be careful about tying together the Old Gods and the Forgotten Ones. The timeline of when they were established is currently unknown, except for one note by Geldauran, which also happens to be written in elvish. He, at least, proclaimed himself Forgotten and turned towards that path of being an antagonist at some point before the elvhen empire fell.

 

While it's possible Geldauran (or any of the other Forgotten Ones) traveled across the sea to influence the minds of the first Dreamers and the Neromenian human tribes, we don't know enough information about them to say one way or the other.

 

What is interesting is that this note is found within Jaws of Hakkon, whose main story involves an Avvar god (spirit) who was bound in the body of a mortal creature. That doesn't seem like a big deal, but the thing is, Hakkon stopped being able to communicate with the Avvar after he was bound. I believe Thane Sun-Hair even says "he fell silent."  That's kind of a big deal that got lost in all the Avvar and Razikale lore many people didn't seem to care much about.

 

Now, do you suppose there's another event in history which Hakkon's situation seems similar to? Some other god-spirits who used to communicate or display their power to their followers, but fell silent after a major magical event? Interesting implications if we can say the Old Gods officially became bound to their mortal dragon forms after the invasion of the Golden City, huh?

 

The timeline isn't what worries me as they've been mentioned in legends before and are remembered by the Elvhen people to some degree (obviously there names have been forgotten ergo "The Forgotten Ones" but you understand what I mean).

 

Yes Hakkon had me thinking of this as well. I have a theory for many things that tie-in to this. You can check it out here if you want.

 

http://forum.bioware...es-discussions/

[FernRain]

Honestly, this is probably veering into tin foil hat territory, but Titans could be involved in the Blight somehow. Either one acquired the Blight, or it was created within a Titan somehow and kept locked within the Fade in the shape of the Golden City. 

 

Could Cole's comment on rocks in the fade relate: "They still remember when they were higher, before it woke up and everything fell"? Perhaps entering the city woke the corrupted Titan?

 

I had a dream about Cole last night, I ran at him and gave him a hug because I was upset. He healed my hurt .

[BoscoBread]

I'd be careful about tying together the Old Gods and the Forgotten Ones. The timeline of when they were established is currently unknown, except for one note by Geldauran, which also happens to be written in elvish. He, at least, proclaimed himself Forgotten and turned towards that path of being an antagonist at some point before the elvhen empire fell.

 

While it's possible Geldauran (or any of the other Forgotten Ones) traveled across the sea to influence the minds of the first Dreamers and the Neromenian human tribes, we don't know enough information about them to say one way or the other.

 

What is interesting is that this note is found within Jaws of Hakkon, whose main story involves an Avvar god (spirit) who was bound in the body of a mortal creature. That doesn't seem like a big deal, but the thing is, Hakkon stopped being able to communicate with the Avvar after he was bound. I believe Thane Sun-Hair even says "he fell silent."  That's kind of a big deal that got lost in all the Avvar and Razikale lore many people didn't seem to care much about.

 

Now, do you suppose there's another event in history which Hakkon's situation seems similar to? Some other god-spirits who used to communicate or display their power to their followers, but fell silent after a major magical event? Interesting implications if we can say the Old Gods officially became bound to their mortal dragon forms after the invasion of the Golden City, huh?

Somebody's talking about Geldauran again!  You know that means - pulling out my ol' Solas and Geldauran were super saxual revolutionaries:

 

Also fight Club: 

Spoiler

[FrankWisdom]

Could Cole's comment on rocks in the fade relate: "They still remember when they were higher, before it woke up and everything fell"? Perhaps entering the city woke the corrupted Titan?

 

I had a dream about Cole last night, I ran at him and gave him a hug because I was upset. He healed my hurt .

 

Actually I believe the creation of the veil is what affected the Titans

 

I think the veil cutting off The Fade from the physical world is what "woke" the Dwarves up, or maybe the Titans had less control. If The Fade functions like a mirror for your will and emotions then shaping things becomes fluid, easy. If that is how the Stone shaped the Titans and how the Titans shaped Dwarves, perhaps it could explain the Titans' waning powers once the veil was introduced and contact with The Fade was impossible. I'm guessing because of this, Titans can no longer create other Dwarves the way they could before.) I think this also would explain the Sha-Brytol seeming so lost.

 

This all feeds into Valta's comments

 

 Valta, a temporary companion and one of the main characters in The Decent writes a journal after the events that transpired in the deep roads. In it she details that upon being struck down she "fell into a warm light's embrace", as if returning to the Stone. Now the blood of the titan flows through her, and its song tells of the times before titans fell and "the dwarven race broke in two". She doesn't sleep any more. Valta feels empowered by the gift of shaping stone and notices that the Sha-Brytol love and fear her, lost and misguided as they are. They even attempted to make an offering of their armor to her, but she recalled Renn and rejected the gift. This seems to reinforce my hypothesis about the connection between the Sha-Brythol and the Titans.

 

If you want the full picture just check this out. It's at number 7. Lyrium & Dwarves

 

http://forum.bioware...es-discussions/

[NightSymphony]

Art Break

 

Solas with Ashanna Lavellan

http://duck-doodles....hanna-554984590

 

Young Solas sitting under a tree

http://a-dark-angel....lfire-555021492

 

Solas, Lavellan and Coryfish

http://a-dark-angel....-burn-555021613

 

Solas and Ashanna siting on the couch

http://andauril.devi...trade-555037073

 

Sad Lavellan (NSFW due to tasteful nudity)

http://dr--miasma.de...ellan-555069024

 

Lavellan before the Big Bada Boom!!

http://dr--miasma.de...ellan-555068040

 

Hell spiral

http://dr--miasma.de...-Hell-555070126

 

Happy Family - Dad Solas

http://dr--miasma.de...Solas-555069467

[FernRain]

If you want the full picture just check this out. It's at number 7. Lyrium & Dwarves

 

http://forum.bioware...es-discussions/

 

I had a read of number 7 and enjoyed it, thanks! Cole's "they still remember when they were higher, before it woke up and everything fell" would then relate to the veil cutting off the Titan from the fade and waking it (like the breach disturbed it)?

 

The codex itself says:

 

If Dwarves dreamt and shaped the Fade with their own perceptions, the rocks would not float.

 

But Cole says they fell down when something woke up..

 

Does not compute . I'm better at finding visual stuff in the lore..

Then again, they are floating when Cole says that. Maybe falling down doesn't mean they have to be on the ground. Perhaps they were connected to a structure before whatever it was woke up.

 

I'm interested to know who removed the history about the Titans in the shaperate..

[Cee]

But you don't often get a romance where the character's appeal comes from him being so intelligent and refined. And even though I said he looked kind of plain in the beginning, in the end I also really like nerdy, intelligent, intellectual characters, but you don't often see them as a romance in video games thanks to our anti-intellectual culture.  Solas' appeal (for me) doesn't come from being model-gorgeous or a knight-in-shining armor or unfulfilled without the PC's love, it just comes from him being his intelligent, nerdy self. 

 

 

For me it was this, but it was also that he's all about freedom, freedom of thought, of choice, and he's also highly compassionate, and open-minded.  These things appealed to me greatly, and they fit really well with who my Lavellan is too. Not simply a Dalish belief in freedom but in a certain open-mindedness and caring/compassion/protectiveness that has been shaped by a lot of things in her life.

[FrankWisdom]

I had a read of number 7 and enjoyed it, thanks! Cole's "they still remember when they were higher, before it woke up and everything fell" would then relate to the veil cutting off the Titan from the fade and waking it (like the breach disturbed it)?

 

The codex itself says:

 

If Dwarves dreamt and shaped the Fade with their own perceptions, the rocks would not float.

 

But Cole says they fell down when something woke up..

 

Does not compute . I'm better at finding visual stuff in the lore..

Then again, they are floating when Cole says that. Maybe falling down doesn't mean they have to be on the ground. Perhaps they were connected to a structure before whatever it was woke up.

 

I'm interested to know who removed the history about the Titans in the shaperate..

 

Well I had a post on this thread that I wrote which explained the If Dwarves dreamt and shaped the Fade with their own perceptions, the rocks would not float. part. Here, I found it, I'll copy paste it for you.

 

 

When Solas describes Arlathan's splendor during ancient times when talking about what the Elvhen people lost he says the following.

magic was "as natural as breathing" in a place where there were "spires of crystal twining through the branches, palaces floating among the clouds."

I believe this was a time before the veil. As for the codex entry.

"The objects that strain against the laws of nature are ironically those that are more natural themselves. Great stones, for example, hang in the sky. No hand has ever touched them, no mortal mind shaped them to purpose.

I suspect, though we may never know, that if dwarves dreamt and shaped the Fade with their own perceptions, the rocks would not float".

This is obviously a reference to the Titans. (in a purely meta kind of way for the players by the writers). The comment in the narrative sense is to reinforce and emphasize the earlier part theorized by the codex entry's "author" i.e. "Why are the laws of the Maker bent but not fully broken? Why does a book not turn into a dragon, or a statue explode into countless shards of energy? The answer, I believe, lies in the fact that the items we see in the Fade were most often made by the hands of men".

 

 

More than that though. If we are to assume Titans were the antithesis to The Fade or rather that Titan "magic" is a different aspect of the same coin like yin and yang or nagative and positive charges, than we can assume that they can influence each other to strike a natural balance. I believe Lyrium found in the fade is the product of a time before the veil. I also think it might keep the "laws" of the maker from being completely broken as referenced in that part of the codex.

"Why are the laws of the Maker bent but not fully broken? Why does a book not turn into a dragon, or a statue explode into countless shards of energy? The answer, I believe, lies in the fact that the items we see in the Fade were most often made by the hands of men. A statue is a created thing. The mortal hands that shaped it gave it purpose, and it knows what it is meant to do. The objects that strain against the laws of nature are ironically those that are more natural themselves."

 

Hope this helps

 

As for what "it" is that Cole is talking about is anyone's guess. He might be talking about spirits when he says they still remember when they were higher, before it woke up and everything fell.

 

To address your question though, I don't think the Titans were ever "in" The Fade, only part of the world before the veil. Maybe that's why you seem confused. Cole wouldn't be referencing the Titan's in the quote "they still remember when they were higher, before it woke up and everything fell" given where the comment is said.

 

The "If Dwarves dreamt and shaped the Fade with their own perceptions, the rocks would not float" part when taken in context (as shown above) has nothing to do with Titans. It's just an example to showcase that if Dwarves were in the Fade, based on what the author of the codex entry believes, stone wouldn't float because that's how Dwarves perceive reality. Therefore, the way they'd effect the fade would be by shaping the environment (the stone) as humans would shape "items made by the hands of men" because Dwarves "shape the stone" in the physical world.

[FernRain]

I really like Solas' description of Arlathan, it'd be wonderful to see it in some form. It sounds like Lothlorien..

Spoiler

 

Now why did someone erase the memories about the Titans from the shaperate? They didn't want the Dwarves to remember their old roles, their connection with magic because if they did..? .

[FrankWisdom]

I really like Solas' description of Arlathan, it'd be wonderful to see it in some form. It sounds like Lothlorien..

Spoiler

 

Now why did someone erase the memories about the Titans from the shaperate? They didn't want the Dwarves to remember their old roles, their connection with magic because if they did..? .

 

Well, the logical answer would be that those who split from the Titans didn't want to go back because they enjoyed their individuality. So with that said, If you don't know something exists, then you can't reach it can you?

[FernRain]

Well, the logical answer would be that those who split from the Titans didn't want to go back because they enjoyed their individuality. So with that said, If you don't know something exists, then you can't reach it can you?

 

I suppose.. I just thought it would be more nefarious than that. Like someone was trying to leave the Titans unprotected or something.

[FrankWisdom]

I suppose.. I just thought it would be more nefarious than that. Like someone was trying to leave the Titans unprotected or something.

 

The Titans seem to be protected though. Although the Sha-Brytol are confused, they still defend the Titans. They also have Stone Guardians protecting them. The song generated by their "circulating Lyrium Blood" seems to dissuade darkspawn from entering their territories. I'm guessing it interferes with the calling, which is what drives the Darspawn away, probably from a type of sensory information overload.

[electricfish]

It sounds like the Titan-disconnected dwarves have stagnated significantly. Much of that is due to the darkspawn, yes, but leftover culture and social norms from being connected to Titans such as even having a Wall of Memories, rigid caste systems, etc. have not changed significantly over the last couple thousand years. Yeah, some powerful people might have thought freedom from the hivemind was a good thing, but there were no societal changes introduced or policies put in place other than due to significant outside threat (the Blight).

 

The dwarves are still living in the "in between" phase of true disconnect from the Titans. They still serve the Stone and live according to the ancient castes that were established, but they don't consciously believe it is to serve or be a slave to a higher power. It's a bit like the rebel mage group in Redcliffe. Despite being pretty peaceful and fine (before Alexius showed up), they haven't made any significant progress regarding establishing a new basis of living, how to integrate themselves into normal society, promoting other leaders to act as ambassadors, or even beginning to change the ingrained mindset that people should still be separated by Circle and rank.

 

If the Inquisition hadn't conscripted or allied with them, the rebellion most likely would have ended with most choosing to go back to a Circle-type environment because it's familiar and they don't have the knowledge or experience to do anything else successfully. Aside from Fiona and what's-her-face from Asunder, there really weren't very many significant rebellious leaders of the Circles pre-rebellion. Most mages were terrified of what was happening and just wanted to go back to their normal lives, just without the douche Templars.

[Cee]

I now understand what you were all talking about with gears in the weirdest and most precarious spots.

[CapricornSun]

I am reading Doughnut Rebel right now, and I love it  It's fluffery and cute and feels like a sunny afternoon spent cuddling on the couch with baby nugs and mabari puppies. 

 

I know, right?

 

Speaking of which, Chapter 9 of Doughnut Rebel is up!

 

BTW I'm reeeaaaaaally in the mood for donuts right now... I think I'll buy a box of them this weekend. xD

[The Oracle]

See, that's the problem with these bakery inspired fanfics. They always leave me hungry (and not just for food). I saw a guy out walking his dog today who (if you squinted really hard) looked like Solas. He had a bald head and a dimpled chin! (that was really it, he also had a beer belly and MASSIVE eyebrows) but still, I just wanted to stick a pair of pointed ears on him and tell him to go graffiti some walls.

 

*sigh*

 

At what point do I need to go find professional help?

[CapricornSun]

See, that's the problem with these bakery inspired fanfics. They always leave me hungry (and not just for food). I saw a guy out walking his dog today who (if you squinted really hard) looked like Solas. He had a bald head and a dimpled chin! (that was really it, he also had a beer belly and MASSIVE eyebrows) but still, I just wanted to stick a pair of pointed ears on him and tell him to go graffiti some walls.

 

*sigh*

 

At what point do I need to go find professional help?

 

For some reason, I read that as "I saw a guy out walking his hotdog" instead of "I saw a guy out walking his dog". xD

 

I've got food on the brain... @__@