Didn't we have atheory regarding the Tirashan and its possible connection to the elves (Andruil, I thought), I think it had to do with the web browser game, I already forgot the name of it. That city right on the Tirashan? Or am I making that up?
The elves there are thought to be Dalish, but their vallaslin is described as bright red (possibly red lyrium?) and they don't fight like other Dalish.
There's are a huge population of them given as I was drawing that damn card several times a day...
Guest_Chiara Fan_*
To be fair to Briala, we can assume that Solas understands the power of his foci pretty well and he still makes the huge mistake of giving it to Corypheus.
If there is any danger to Briala's revolution, I think it's that she wants to push things and there is an unwanted uprising before they are ready. Much like Solas rushes things and takes the fast and riskier route with Corypheus, out of desperation and the urge to fix what he did.
Sheesh, Briala and Solas just can't win in this thread. 
It seems everyone here either accuses Briala of trying to push for too little change in too small an area and thus whatever "change" she brings will be too paltry and short-lived, or that she and Solas are both pushing for too much change too quickly and thus it'll all crash and burn. Too little change isn't enough but too much change won't help either. Which is it?
Sadly, as Briala can be dead I don't think we will be seeing much related to the elven revolution in the future.
To be fair, we could kill Anders in DA2 and side with Templars to put down the Kirkwall Rebellion, yet the Circles broke and the mages revolted all over Thedas anyway.
I haven't actually killed Briala, but I read in her TV Tropes page that if the Inquisitor orders her execution she will warn that the elves will revolt. It's possible that if she's killed, another elf will take her place.
Maybe the elven revolution will continue no matter what; it's just that who leads them depends on whether Briala's spared, exiled, or executed.
I don't see how the magnitude of scale on which he works makes some change Godhood-level, and another 'simply' social activism. His whole philosophy about the world denies the involvement of gods and emphasizes that it is people who produce change. ("The greatest triumphs and tragedies this world has known can all be traced to people."). That's social activism. Besides, how can Inky&Co decide the fate of mages, templars, and wardens in Thedas, put people on the Orlais and Sunburst Throne, defeat a darkspawn ancient magister, seal a whole in the sky, defeat Hakkon, do spoilery stuff with Titans, and still remain on social activist level, whereas whatever Solas does is Godhood level? Where do we draw the line?
I think what Solas wants is to restore the elves , bring back their immortality , magic , bring down the veil etc...
It would change current elves on a huge level and it would change life for everyone in Thedas.
The Inquisition solves some social stuff/war , and just fight threat , it's all about bringing back order...you're never able to change the way the world work or some races.
I'm not accusing anyone of anything and I'm not judging the outcome of whatever Briala or Solas are doing. I'm merely drawing a parallel between them and the respective powers they wield (Briala the eluvian network, Solad the foci) and their risk. For the record, I love both Briala and Solas and it kind of irks me that you have to make the "I love Solas" disclaimer whenever you want to point his flaws or compare his mistakes to other characters.Sheesh, Briala and Solas just can't win in this thread.
It seems everyone here either accuses Briala of trying to push for too little change in too small an area and thus whatever "change" she brings will be too paltry and short-lived, or that she and Solas are both pushing for too much change too quickly and thus it'll all crash and burn. Too little change isn't enough but too much change won't help either. Which is it?
The elves there are thought to be Dalish, but their vallaslin is described as bright red (possibly red lyrium?) and they don't fight like other Dalish.
There's are a huge population of them given as I was drawing that damn card several times a day...
I wonder if that bright red vallaslin has anything to do with this image:
We do see elves with hole in heart and head (they were made hollow? ...Tranquil?) and marked by red vallaslin, under what seems to be an eclipse... or conjunction of Thedas' two moons?
Sheesh, Briala and Solas just can't win in this thread.
It seems everyone here either accuses Briala of trying to push for too little change in too small an area and thus whatever "change" she brings will be too paltry and short-lived, or that she and Solas are both pushing for too much change too quickly and thus it'll all crash and burn. Too little change isn't enough but too much change won't help either. Which is it?
To be fair, we could kill Anders in DA2 and side with Templars to put down the Kirkwall Rebellion, yet the Circles broke and the mages revolted all over Thedas anyway.
I haven't actually killed Briala, but I read in her TV Tropes page that if the Inquisitor orders her execution she will warn that the elves will revolt. It's possible that if she's killed, another elf will take her place.
Maybe the elven revolution will continue no matter what; it's just that who leads them depends on whether Briala's spared, exiled, or executed.
The Circle breakdown was going to happen whichever way Hawke sided. If she sided with the mages then she's a figurehead for the rebellion and other Circles are encouraged to rebel. If she sided with the Templars then other Circles with see the harsh conditions of Kirkwall and rebel anyway.
Plus, Anders didn't start the mage rebellion - that was Adrian about a year later.
I killed Briala and have no opinion other than Gaspard ❤.
As for Solas, this may be the Solas fan thread but we've always been perfectly open to other thoughts, opinions, and not everyone who comes here has to love or agree with Solas.
That's the great thing about our thread compared to others.
Just as long as everyone stays respectful.
I think what Solas wants is to restore the elves , bring back their immortality , magic , bring down the veil etc...
It would change current elves on a huge level and it would change life for everyone in Thedas.
The Inquisition solves some social stuff/war , and just fight threat , it's all about bringing back order...you're never able to change the way the world work or some races.
Actually, that's exactly what Inquisitor does 
Even according to Solas, if we pick a stoic option in the Fade section.
He says "You have fractured rules of man and nature, and you will shatter more before you are done."
I think that's pretty straightforward.
I mean, what made Inquisitor special and considered 'chosen' in the first place? The Anchor. And the Anchor specifically seems to bestow many abilities that may even surpass abilities of some supposed ancient elvhen gods (Solas mentions that he was never able to pass to the Fade physically - yet, with Inquisitor, he can). The game itself even suggests that Inquisitor might as well posses not just the key to Fade or rifts themselves, but to Black City as well. Hence Corypheus marked him/her as his "unknowing" rival.
And then, of course, there's closing the Breach, dealing with ancient magister darkspawn, fighting the Avvar spirit-god and stopping tremors that might've as well endangered most of Thedas if they continued... That's shaping the world on scale that's hard to match for more regular political or military forces.
SUP NERDS UR ALL WRONG!
(This is a joke ... a play on the Solas/Dalish meme, just fyi).
Part of the issue is that people who haven't read wouldn't know about Adrian or her actions. What Anders did was consequential but limited, the decisive push came later.
It's really a shame they didn't find a way to work Adrian into the game on the mage side for even the slightest to give people a hint. But then again, there are some issues with the Redcliffe story that could've been done better.
I think what Solas wants is to restore the elves , bring back their immortality , magic , bring down the veil etc...
It would change current elves on a huge level and it would change life for everyone in Thedas.
The Inquisition solves some social stuff/war , and just fight threat , it's all about bringing back order...you're never able to change the way the world work or some races.
We don't know what he's trying to do, but if we define Godhood as the ability to change how the world works, then Inky already has that with the Anchor. They can open and close rifts and walk around in the fade physically. They can also drink from the Well and get another supernatural ability. Corypheus also had considerable powers while he had the Orb, yet even he didn't consider himself a God.
As for changing races
Actually, that's exactly what Inquisitor does
Eh, beat me to it... Also with more evidence. 
Just as long as everyone stays respectful.
We have been, right? Any criticisms above were towards his views, actions, or what we infer he might do. We never simply fired insults at him. He's a character and it's very natural that people would have different opinions of him.
As for being respectful towards each other, again, we've only expressed disagreement with the argument the other person was making, and supporting our point with logic and evidence of our own. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it wasn't personal, and we never defaulted to just insulting the other person.
Because you're not going to save elves with the Inquisition...it's mostly a human army ?
I can't see how Briala goal are short signed , you have to start somewhere afterall ...in some case she gain access to the Throne in Orlais , that's a huge deal for an elf.
An elven uprising all over Thedas is bound to fail at this point , but Briala with her eluvians could start something , if she unlock a network all over Thedas , she can start smuggling weapons in alienage etc...
The elves can even hide in the CrossRoads , if they prepare.
Or once Briala has a very secure position , if she wants to avoid war , well the elves can work with the Eluvian , it's the fastest way to travel and only elves can use it without being sick...they could make tons of coins moving things around.
Maybe its not just restoring the elven people in a state where they rule over other people. He seems generally against people rule over people.
In Masked Empire, Felassan has a conversation with Briala, and although I do not connect Fellasan with Solas necessarily, from what I gathered through the game, this is something Solas could say himself (or thats how I perceive him, maybe Im wrong? 
):
Briala: “I can only imagine.” [how great it must have been during the old times]
Felassan: “Can you?” Can you, truly? Then tell me, da’len, who scrubbed the floors?”[..] “We were an empire.
Take the richest district of Val Royeaux, and tell me how many fools are scheming against each other at every ball?
How many servants are flogged for improperly arranging the silverware?”[..]
We were everyone. There were no humans, no dwarves, no race but the elves.
Every atrocity you seek to avenge for your broken people in their alienages, elven nobles committed upon elven servants.””[..]“Your empress, you believe she will free your people.”
Briala: “I do”
Felassan: “Then who’s going to scrub the floors?” [..]
I distrust her [Celene ]because she has successfully ruled an empire. No one who does that cedes power. Even if they are wise. Even if it is for the best, in the long run. Even if failing to do so will ultimately destroy everything.”
We have been, right? Any criticisms above were towards his views, actions, or what we infer he might do. We never simply fired insults at him. He's a character and it's very natural that people would have different opinions of him.
As for being respectful towards each other, again, we've only expressed disagreement with the argument the other person was making, and supporting our point with logic and evidence of our own. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it wasn't personal, and we never defaulted to just insulting the other person.
I was speaking in general.
Anyway.
I said this in the Twitter thread but I think whatever it is that Solas is going to do.... It is going to be a major game changer for future games.
The Hakkon DLC is setting up lore, background information, the Descent is doing the same. Solas is going to knock a piece off the board and with it everything we though we knew is going to be turned on its head.
That and there will be very tough choices for the Inquisitor to make.
The Weekes, it seems, is determined to harvest fan tears.
https://twitter.com/...3999360/photo/1
Actually, that's exactly what Inquisitor does
What does he say? I can't find a video 
.
I wonder if that bright red vallaslin has anything to do with this image:
We do see elves with hole in heart and head (they were made hollow? ...Tranquil?) and marked by red vallaslin, under what seems to be an eclipse... or conjunction of Thedas' two moons?
As for this picture, I had interpreted it as blighted elves. I thought the hole in the head and chest symbolized that they were soulless.
In fact a lot of those paintings (black and red dragon, army of black and red halla, the black and red armored figure) I think are telling the story of those untranslated codexes from the Arbor Wilds, the story of the Sinner.
That depiction I had associated with the codex "Old Elven Writing":
"In this place we prepare to hunt the pillars of the earth. Their workers scurry, witless, soulless. This death will be a mercy. We will make the earth blossom with their passing."
For one moment there is a vivid image of two overlapping spheres; unknown flowers bloom inside their centers. Then it fades.
I'm aware of the connection some make to the Dwarves, but I still think it connects to the overall story-telling of the Sinner.
What does he say? I can't find a video
As for this picture, I had interpreted it as blighted elves. I thought the hole in the head and chest symbolized that they were soulless.
In fact a lot of those paintings (black and red dragon, army of black and red halla, the black and red armored figure) I think are telling the story of those untranslated codexes from the Arbor Wilds, the story of the Sinner.
That depiction I had associated with the codex "Old Elven Writing":
"In this place we prepare to hunt the pillars of the earth. Their workers scurry, witless, soulless. This death will be a mercy. We will make the earth blossom with their passing."
For one moment there is a vivid image of two overlapping spheres; unknown flowers bloom inside their centers. Then it fades.
I'm aware of the connection some make to the Dwarves, but I still think it connects to the overall story-telling of the Sinner.
Blighted creatures seem to be portrayed differently on these paintings - they appear to be reddish from within, while those are drawings on elves' faces and shoulders, just like vallaslin.
I always thought those drawings were drawings of Elves who consumed Red Lyrium.
As for this picture, I had interpreted it as blighted elves. I thought the hole in the head and chest symbolized that they were soulless.
In fact a lot of those paintings (black and red dragon, army of black and red halla, the black and red armored figure) I think are telling the story of those untranslated codexes from the Arbor Wilds, the story of the Sinner.
That depiction I had associated with the codex "Old Elven Writing":
"In this place we prepare to hunt the pillars of the earth. Their workers scurry, witless, soulless. This death will be a mercy. We will make the earth blossom with their passing."
For one moment there is a vivid image of two overlapping spheres; unknown flowers bloom inside their centers. Then it fades.
I agree with this (and I think other people have ascribed to this theory in previous crafting sessions).
As for the two circles, there is a theory that they are to do with the sun/Elgar'nan/stone/earth, I know.. but I think of it more like the two circles of reality being the Fade and then the 'real world'. When the two rejoin, that is the essence of creation (the flowers blooming).
Blighted creatures seem to be portrayed differently on these paintings - they appear to be reddish from within, while those are drawings on elves' faces and shoulders, just like vallaslin.
Unless the blight originated from blood writing (vallaslin). Power of blood could be perversed and all.
And...
RANDOM QUESTION: That picture (pictures?) that were teased before the DLC release, what were they from? Does anyone know?
I agree with this (and I think other people have ascribed to this theory in previous crafting sessions).
As for the two circles, there is a theory that they are to do with the sun/Elgar'nan/stone/earth, I know.. but I think of it more like the two circles of reality being the Fade and then the 'real world'. When the two rejoin, that is the essence of creation (the flowers blooming).
For me two overlapping (very likely celestial) spheres usually mean one thing - eclipse. And personally I'm pretty convinced that whatever important/earthshaking is going to happen in the future, it will likely involve one.
Unless the blight originated from blood writing (vallaslin). Power of blood could be perversed and all.
It's not beyond realm of possibility that vallaslin was used to control people in some magical ways, aside from being a very noticeable (and permanent) mark of being a slave, yes.
And...
RANDOM QUESTION: That picture (pictures?) that were teased before the DLC release, what were they from? Does anyone know?
Which ones?
Bah yeah it could be red lyrium, though I think you can be affected by it and still have a soul. Blighted creatures on the other hand, not so sure.
I don't understand what happened with the spheres and the flowers blooming within them. Only that it killed the soulless elves (assuming they're elves and not dwarves if that picture is anything to go by).
And about the eclipse: I'm on board with this. The other time we heard about an eclipse was from the Black Emporium:
"Two shadowed spheres, an eclipse as Fen'Harel stirred".
(There are the two spheres again..).
For me two overlapping (very likely celestial) spheres usually mean one thing - eclipse. And personally I'm pretty convinced that whatever important/earthshaking is going to happen in the future, it will likely involve one.
It's not beyond realm of possibility that vallaslin was used to control people in some magical ways, aside from being a very noticeable (and permanent) symbol of being a slave, yes.
Which ones?
I think the overlapping spheres being symbolic of an eclipse is too easy if you view it objectively -- they are trying to tricks us. Yes, I always assume writers are trying to lead you astray. So I choose a more subjective approach. The Fade and the World. Magic comes from a weak connection to the Fade, after all -- you bend reality to your will. Creation, therefore, would be exponential if the two weren't separated by a veil. Life, if you will.
And I don't mean the vallaslin simply as a way to control people -- but actually the origin of the Blight. Corrupted blood writing. A god too thirsty for power, they devised a way for their loyalty to be spread via contagion instead of mere worship. Or hell, going way out there -- what if someone tried to put blood writing on the Stone herself? That'd be pretty dastardly.
Which ones? The ones that looked like companion cards. I was out for a solid week playing Descent and other things though, so I missed if it'd been covered here. I answered my own question though when I went searching to find them for you. Ponytail one was a sneak peek of this! -> https://twitter.com/...801979279736832
I think the overlapping spheres being symbolic of an eclipse is too easy if you view it objectively -- they are trying to tricks us. Yes, I always assume writers are trying to lead you astray. So I choose a more subjective approach. The Fade and the World. Magic comes from a weak connection to the Fade, after all -- you bend reality to your will. Creation, therefore, would be exponential if the two weren't separated by a veil. Life, if you will.
Bioware writers like to be tricky, but I wouldn't go and say that they put red herrings everywhere 
Too much of that and it would become counter-productive.
Eclipses were always pretty significant, be it in reality or in fiction, and if anything, I've noticed BW doesn't stray from using such popular elements in their stories (magic/life = song is another good example, as is red=evil-ish/angry/dark and blue=mysterious/good-ish/god-ish).
We also know that eclipses WERE mentioned, in relation to none other than Fen'Harel:
I'm on board with this. The other time we heard about an eclipse was from the Black Emporium:
"Two shadowed spheres, an eclipse as Fen'Harel stirred".
It would be especially symbolic in case of Fen'Harel, who, as I explained, draws a lot from Nordic myths about Fenrir - and Fenrir (or its offspring) is known to bring about Ragnarok by swallowing the sun. It could be beautifully symbolized by eclipse as well.
I also wouldn't be surprised if sun didn't play a special, if not literal role in perhaps powering up the Veil? Maybe this is why Veil may be thinner by night, or why Fade and Beyond has been symbolically equated to 'night'. So if eclipse happened during the day, and 'night' happened, it may disturb the cycle. It may also - symbolically or literally - temporarily merge both Fade and Thedas, which may help someone accomplish things that are impossible otherwise.
The ones that looked like companion cards. I was out for a solid week playing Descent and other things though, so I missed if it'd been covered here. I answered my own question though when I went searching to find them for you. Ponytail one was a sneak peek of this! -> https://twitter.com/...801979279736832
Oh, that's just Pala, a new Multiplayer character I don't think she's in any way significant, when it comes to story itself.
Retour en haut