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I have bothered to write down my self stories...But this morning I decided to actually write out my post-game Solas fan-fiction. I have truly descended into madness...


It is worthy of pride, lethallan! :) Savor the feels and remember to post a link to it when done!
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^^^^ I think there might have been a smear campaign carried out with regards to Fen'Harel at some point. But by whom and why... not sure.

 

Interestingly, the Rebel God codex said the word harellan has not been seen in elven texts before the Towers Age, which is when Flemeth was said to be born. Hmmm...

 

 

Well, seeing as he was rebelling against the Elvhen Pantheon's tyranny and the system itself, I'd see it as pretty likely that the High class Elvhen people and High Keepers would be the ones with the most reasons and motivations to dissuade the "working class", using propaganda in order to preserve the status quo.


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Given The Masked Empire was a precursor to Inquisition, I always had it in mind that Corypheus was the one behind Felassan's death. I think the Orb was his fallback plan (once SolaFen gave him that option) after getting access to the eluvians failed for the first time. Granted i'd like to think it could foreshadow another magister or something else (given the narrative possibilities) but I don't see that being the case for the reasons above. It just feels like to good of a marketing strategy to have published this book right before the release of inquisition not to tie-in the main antagonist as a nice reference for hardcore fans. Anyways who knows, maybe we'll find out differently in other media.


Whoever killed Felassan, they did not want to have Briala compared to them. Or, perhaps the individual hated Fen'harel. I am curious as to how the orb was "given," especially since Corypheus shows no sign of recognizing Solas. If Corypheus had that level of antagonism toward Solas, shouldn't he know him when they meet?

And yet there is barely any evidence that Solas is not the original Fen'harel, as unlikely as it seems. He seems to remember actually being around in ancient times. Then there is the song, "I Am The One," implying the narrator has not died since the fall of the Elvhen empire. It seems to be Solas's song (though perhaps it isn't). But, then again, reincarnation is a thing in Thedas, though I am unsure if it can happen without planning...
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What is Urthemiel is doing?

 

In the end it's Mythal that takes the soul from him, before that though..

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He's up to something.

 

Given the context, I thought the symbol underneath was in preparation for the "transfer". I also believe FleMythal knew Morrigan wouldn't be far behind once her son arrived and that's why she hadn't taken his soul yet, he was a bargaining chip and she wanted Morrigan's cooperation. As for the "essences" floating and what Kieran is doing in the picture, I saw that as a way of communication and greeting. From what we saw of Kieran's personality, he seemed to enjoy sharing his thoughts and often spoke of how he felt. With the "ritual" having been prepared, I think showcasing that power was facilitated and it's literally like wearing your heart on your sleeve. He seemed to be enjoying his conversation with FleMythal, saying she was a nice lady and that she "called to him" and he "had to go". There definitely is a relationship between the Old Gods and The Elvhen Pantheon.


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Whoever killed Felassan, they did not want to have Briala compared to them. Or, perhaps the individual hated Fen'harel. I am curious as to how the orb was "given," especially since Corypheus shows no sign of recognizing Solas. If Corypheus had that level of antagonism toward Solas, shouldn't he know him when they meet?

And yet there is barely any evidence that Solas is not the original Fen'harel, as unlikely as it seems. He seems to remember actually being around in ancient times. Then there is the song, "I Am The One," implying the narrator has not died since the fall of the Elvhen empire. It seems to be Solas's song (though perhaps it isn't). But, then again, reincarnation is a thing in Thedas, though I am unsure if it can happen without planning...

 

 

Another thing is that Weekes will not tell what vallaslin Felassan had, as it's a spoiler of some sort.

 

 

I love the last pannel.  Such a 'I do what I want' face.

 

As I thought, the art is by xfreischutz. :D I love it.


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Oh Solas.. I got so attached to you before you walked away.. :(
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Whoever killed Felassan, they did not want to have Briala compared to them. Or, perhaps the individual hated Fen'harel. I am curious as to how the orb was "given," especially since Corypheus shows no sign of recognizing Solas. If Corypheus had that level of antagonism toward Solas, shouldn't he know him when they meet?
 

 

Well, technically we're not sure who Fel was going to compare Briala to. The quote is

Spoiler

 

Given The Masked Empire was a precursor to Inquisition, I always had it in mind that Corypheus was the one behind Felassan's death. I think the Orb was his fallback plan (once SolaFen gave him that option) after getting access to the eluvians failed for the first time. Granted i'd like to think it could foreshadow another magister or something else (given the narrative possibilities) but I don't see that being the case for the reasons above. It just feels like to good of a marketing strategy to have published this book right before the release of inquisition not to tie-in the main antagonist as a nice reference for hardcore fans. Anyways who knows, maybe we'll find out differently in other media.

 

Whoever it was that killed Felassan was either a very talented dreamer (you can kill people in the Fade whilst dreaming)... or they are stuck there, and the Eluvian is a way out. My theory only applies to the latter.

Speaking of, I'm still curious as to if Cory is gone gone -- or if we will see them in the Fade again.


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Whoever killed Felassan, they did not want to have Briala compared to them. Or, perhaps the individual hated Fen'harel. I am curious as to how the orb was "given," especially since Corypheus shows no sign of recognizing Solas. If Corypheus had that level of antagonism toward Solas, shouldn't he know him when they meet?

And yet there is barely any evidence that Solas is not the original Fen'harel, as unlikely as it seems. He seems to remember actually being around in ancient times. Then there is the song, "I Am The One," implying the narrator has not died since the fall of the Elvhen empire. It seems to be Solas's song (though perhaps it isn't). But, then again, reincarnation is a thing in Thedas, though I am unsure if it can happen without planning...

 

 

Yep, many a theory concerning Solas and Felassan. I also agree that the fact Corypheus makes no mention of Solas' implication with the orb during the last battle is very suspicious. You'd think he'd use all the possible advantages he had at his disposal to break our morale and put us off our "game" yet he says nothing. Even when he's about to die, he doesn't curse Solas. My understanding of this is that Solas was (and is) somehow able to mask his true nature, maybe he can shape-shift into another being or maybe he was powerful enough to cast an illusion Corypheus couldn't see through? Either way, I'd hate to believe this was a major oversight made by the writing team. I'm guessing it'll be explained in the DLC that wraps up SolaFen's arc, if it doesn't seep into Dragon Age 4


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Well, seeing as he was rebelling against the Elvhen Pantheon's tyranny and the system itself, I'd see it as pretty likely that the High class Elvhen people and High Keepers would be the ones with the most reasons and motivations to dissuade the "working class", using propaganda in order to preserve the status quo.

 

 

Whoever it was that killed Felassan was either a very talented dreamer (you can kill people in the Fade whilst dreaming)... or they are stuck there, and the Eluvian is a way out. My theory only applies to the latter.

Speaking of, I'm still curious as to if Cory is gone gone -- or if we will see them in the Fade again.

I think you were quoting the wrong post I made...

 

And yes, you are right, there are only two options here, but Corypheus fits the mold for the former, as for the latter, I'm not putting it out of mind. It could very well have been the case.


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I think you were quoting the wrong post I made...

 

And yes, you are right, there are only two options here, but Corypheus fits the mold for the former, as for the latter, I'm not putting it out of mind. It could very well have been the case.

ROFL yes, it was supposed to be the other one. Fixxxxed



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I don't think it's an oversight. Corypheus has been working on his plans for a while, since his escape. It would be possible to put the orb into the right place in order for him to get it somehow if Solas learned of his plans somehow.


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Art time

 

(a few topics we've been talking about recently)

 

When The Path Seams Wrong (A ghosty wolf helps Levallan find her way out of the snow)

http://norroendyrd.d...wrong-556331893

 

Cole makes Lavellan feel better after the break up

http://mightyraccoon...-hurt-556276914

 

Fenris and The Dread Wolf

http://hekro.deviant...-Wolf-556392501


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Felassan's loss hurts my heart. I loved him so. especially when he got all angry.
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Well, technically we're not sure who Fel was going to compare Briala to. The quote is

Spoiler

Whoever it was that killed Felassan was either a very talented dreamer (you can kill people in the Fade whilst dreaming)... or they are stuck there, and the Eluvian is a way out. My theory only applies to the latter.

 

I added the rejoinder that the character in question may have hated Fen'harel because I am aware of this.

 

Frankly the Fen'harel hatred or simple familiarity possibility (as in, killer did not want to hear anyone compared to Fen'harel) is more likely in my estimation, but there are a lot of people who firmly believe that Fen'harel/Solas murdered Felassan.  I would argue that the evidence points elsewhere, since Solas can be reasoned with (unlike Felassan's killer), Solas has no apparent interest in eluvians (perhaps because he can already access some of them?), Solas doesn't seem to know anything about Briala before the events at Halamshiral (the killer would), Solas probably would not want/make use of a servant, Solas doesn't seem like the sort who would find comparisons to himself to be necessarily a bad thing, etc.

 

So our killer, from what we know:

  • Is absolutely convinced of his or her own righteousness.  Reasoning or arguing with this kind of person is futile.
  • Is volatile.  Rather than continue to make use of his/her servant, who is apparently willing, he/she kills him for a single failure.
  • Is most likely trapped within the Fade.
  • Has servants (slaves?) outside of the Fade.  They may not all be entirely loyal (Felassan favors Fen'harel).  Tirashan elves?  Somewhere else?
  • May hate Fen'harel.  This makes sense if Fen'harel sealed the individual away.
  • May admire Fen'harel.  This would make sense for certain members of the elven pantheon, and it diesn't necessarily rule out hating him too.

 

So I think our killer is less likely Fen'harel and more likely to be Elgar'nan, Falon'din, or Andruil.


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I don't think it's an oversight. Corypheus has been working on his plans for a while, since his escape. It would be possible to put the orb into the right place in order for him to get it somehow if Solas learned of his plans somehow.

Maybe, though with the reaction he had after the orb's destruction, I wonder how willing he'd have been to leave its reaching Corypheus to chance. He could have been aware of Corypheus' movements but to predict them is another thing entirely. Also, he would've had to learn of Corypheus' plans somehow, maybe by infiltrating his ranks. It's not out of the realm of possibility If he was, in fact, able to "trick" Corypheus into seeing something or someone else.

 

As for it being an oversight, that was more of a sarcastic remark than anything else, like I said, that would be one major oversight. There's no way they'd factor that bit of information in without addressing it unless A) they didn't care about continuity B )  They think their fans and consumers are that stupid or C) They had no foresight and were making things up as they moved along without a narrative frame to lean on. I don't think any of these options hold any weight. There's probably going to be an explanation eventually.



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There's only two things I regret about Solas romance

One. It was the first romance I did therefore I am ruined in completing other romances because I adore him.

Two. I can't play my favorite race and romance him. I'm so attached and in love with his story / romance I am always compelled to come back to it so that means I'm always playing an elf .
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I think Solas is too careful to simply go in his weakened state to the evil magister, take the orb out of his backpack, and hand it over. Would he who has been bitterly betrayed before trust Cory not to kill him or bind him as soon as he gets what he wants? It seems much more likely that he would use the fade to reveal the location of the orb in a dream or a vision. 


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Given The Masked Empire was a precursor to Inquisition, I always had it in mind that Corypheus was the one behind Felassan's death. I think the Orb was his fallback plan (once SolaFen gave him that option) after getting access to the eluvians failed for the first time. Granted i'd like to think it could foreshadow another magister or something else (given the narrative possibilities) but I don't see that being the case for the reasons above. It just feels like to good of a marketing strategy to have published this book right before the release of inquisition not to tie-in the main antagonist as a nice reference for hardcore fans. Anyways who knows, maybe we'll find out differently in other media.

Actually, I feel like the tie-in for hardcore, grubby fans like ourselves is the one that ties it to characters who are mentioned but not seen quite frequently in Inquisition. Namely, the other Creators, the Forgotten Ones, and whatever was responsible for all of the downfall. :) Corypheus not being stuck in the Fade and having to rely on mortal agents is the big for me, as is the implied familiarity with Fen'harel. Felassan, who is apparently part of a clan of ancient elves similar to Abelas's Sentinels, (If not outright the Sentinels themselves) wouldn't really be serving a Tevinter magister, yes? :) If his clan is legitimately unpleasant, I'm guessing Forgotten Ones or Dirthamen/Falon'din/Andruil/Elgie or what have you, if they're just grumpy and overly fond of coffee, then it's Abelas's company and the spoiler is that he's wearing Mythal's vallaslin. Felassan would be their agent to keep an eye on things in the rest of the world, in that instance. Or he's the Veronica of the group.  :lol:

Do the Dalish clan react to Felassan's vallaslin at all?

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Welcome to this special place of feels. :)

 

It is worthy of pride, lethallan! :) Savor the feels and remember to post a link to it when done!

Thanks I guess lol. I feel like this is the one time I need to write down the story to help get it out of my end because it is actually ruining my life to thing so much about Solas and Lavellan's romance. I already have like, 11 pages...Ugh. I have no idea where I would even post it tbh. I've never posted a fanfiction or anything like that before. 



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Thanks I guess lol. I feel like this is the one time I need to write down the story to help get it out of my end because it is actually ruining my life to thing so much about Solas and Lavellan's romance. I already have like, 11 pages...Ugh. I have no idea where I would even post it tbh. I've never posted a fanfiction or anything like that before. 

 

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Here's what I read into some of the Portents of the Maker's Return:
 

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Something to do with Titans.

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Sounds like it's talking about those paintings of the humanoid beasts (and the naked elves of the same color/style):

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Curiously it sounds like their races eventually merged, and were related as 'brothers'.

 

Spoiler

Some ancient elves were woken from uthenera? If their dreams were devoured, was that perhaps something to do with the veil being formed? It seems like it's talking about Fen'harel, but through the Dalish "Fen'harel is evil" lense. Is it written after the Towers Age as some people have said Fen'harel's reputation takes a turn? :?.


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Actually, I feel like the tie-in for hardcore, grubby fans like ourselves is the one that ties it to characters who are mentioned but not seen quite frequently in Inquisition. Namely, the other Creators, the Forgotten Ones, and whatever was responsible for all of the downfall. :) Corypheus not being stuck in the Fade and having to rely on mortal agents is the big for me, as is the implied familiarity with Fen'harel. Felassan, who is apparently part of a clan of ancient elves similar to Abelas's Sentinels, (If not outright the Sentinels themselves) wouldn't really be serving a Tevinter magister, yes? :) If his clan is legitimately unpleasant, I'm guessing Forgotten Ones or Dirthamen/Falon'din/Andruil/Elgie or what have you, if they're just grumpy and overly fond of coffee, then it's Abelas's company and the spoiler is that he's wearing Mythal's vallaslin. Felassan would be their agent to keep an eye on things in the rest of the world, in that instance. Or he's the Veronica of the group.  :lol:

Do the Dalish clan react to Felassan's vallaslin at all?

 

What I meant by a tie-in, is that something this obscure is usually used to create an extra layer of depth and excitement for "hardcore" fans, without alienating casual fans who only play the games, (The same way their making all the Star Wars media canon without forcing you to buy them in order to understand what will happen in The Force Awakens for example) they're peripheral references at best but still feel like they matter as well as create different possibilities for franchising.

 

Anyways, like I said, it's not out of the realm of possibility, I just thought the timing was impeccable.

 

As for the reasoning, if it was something that was stuck in the fade and it was powerful enough to kill Felassan... Why not simply possess him the way demons do mages for their harrowing? If that being is like Imshael for example, then it would easily be possible. Though, to your point, it's implied that Felassan is forcefully serving whoever is talking to him, but their could be a multitude of ways to make one subservient. You can argue that he was under a geas like the well of sorrows if you drink from it, this does pertain to an Elvhen deity and we do know he is in an Abelas type situation. So it could have been Fen'Harel for all we know, given he was preaching the gospel of Fen'Harel. That would however, speak volumes of Fen and how he views his most devout followers, so I doubt it to be the case. If not Corypheus, it would've likely been one of the Elvhen Pantheon or A "Forgotten One" but since the Elvhen Pantheon is supposedly locked away either in another dimension reachable only through the eluvians or a place in The Fade also only reachable through eluvians, I doubt it would be one of them. That only leaves Cory or "The Forgotten Ones" or players that have yet to be introduced.



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And here's a question: when you take Solas to the fade in Here Lies the Abyss, is he lying when he says "I never thought I would find myself here physically"?

 

Surely he's been there before if he is Fen'harel..


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Thanks :)

 

 

And here's a question: when you take Solas to the fade in Here Lies the Abyss, is he lying when he says "I never thought I would find myself here physically"?

 

Surely he's been there before if he is Fen'harel..

Clearly not physically. While I have no doubt while he slumbered he was probably in the Fade, it is likely he wasn't there physically. I assume he must have found a quiet place to sleep so he wouldn't be disturbed. 


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What I meant by a tie-in, is that something this obscure is usually used to create an extra layer of depth and excitement for "hardcore" fans, without alienating casual fans who only play the games, (The same way their making all the Star Wars media canon without forcing you to buy them in order to understand what will happen in The Force Awakens for example) they're peripheral references at best but still feel like they matter as well as create different possibilities for franchising.
 
Anyways, like I said, it's not out of the realm of possibility, I just thought the timing was impeccable.
 
As for the reasoning, if it was something that was stuck in the fade and it was powerful enough to kill Felassan... Why not simply possess him the way demons do mages for their harrowing? If that being is like Imshael for example, then it would easily be possible. Though, to your point, it's implied that Felassan is forcefully serving whoever is talking to him, but their could be a multitude of ways to make one subservient. You can argue that he was under a geas like the well of sorrows if you drink from it, this does pertain to an Elvhen deity and we do know he is in an Abelas type situation. So it could have been Fen'Harel for all we know, given he was preaching the gospel of Fen'Harel. That would however, speak volumes of Fen and how he views his most devout followers, so I doubt it to be the case. If not Corypheus, it would've likely been one of the Elvhen Pantheon or A "Forgotten One" but since the Elvhen Pantheon is supposedly locked away either in another dimension reachable only through the eluvians or a place in The Fade also only reachable through eluvians, I doubt it would be one of them. That only leaves Cory or "The Forgotten Ones" or players that have yet to be introduced.


I don't like to assume Felassan is in an Abelas situation per say... He could be in a bind more akin to Michel/Mihris. It is a popular theory he was victim of a gaes, though, and I've got an open mind to all the theories. Until we have something more decisive dropped for us, that is!

Is the supposed DLC announcement this weekend?