And here's a question: when you take Solas to the fade in Here Lies the Abyss, is he lying when he says "I never thought I would find myself here physically"?
Surely he's been there before if he is Fen'harel..
If supposedly there was no Veil in ancient Arlathan and "magic was as natural as breathing", then technically he was never physically in the Fade (as a separate place).
At least that is what I assume.
Edit: But then how is he a Dreamer if the fade wasn't separate back then? When people dream, they go to the Fade so if there is no Fade (as a seperate place) then....what? You're just constantly awake but when you "dream" everything looks trippy like as if you took some psychedelic drugs?
And where did the elves go while in Uthenara? A place like the Crossroads?
If supposedly there was no Veil in ancient Arlathan and "magic was as natural as breathing", then technically he was never physically in the Fade (as a separate place).
At least that is what I assume.
Edit: But then how is he a Dreamer if the fade wasn't separate? When people dream, they go to the Fade so if there is no Fade (as a seperate place) then....what? You're just constantly awake but when you "dream" everything looks trippy like as if you took some psychedelic drugs?
And where did the elves go while in Uthenara? A place like the Crossroads?
Yeah that's one of my quips about when exactly the veil was created, given Uthenera is an ancient practice. Also, some of my theories are based on Fen'Harel and Mythal creating the veil (with the help of their Elvhen Orb Foci) as a measure to imprison the Elvhen Pantheon and "The Forgotten Ones". It gets a bit complicated but anyways. Uthenera stands as the biggest question of them all. What did "dreaming" encompass when the veil wasn't present?
Yeah that's one of my quips about when exactly the veil was created, given Uthenera is an ancient practice. Also, some of my theories are based on Fen'Harel and Mythal creating the veil (with the help of their Elvhen Orb Foci) as a measure to imprison the Elvhen Pantheon and "The Forgotten Ones". It gets a bit complicated but anyways. Uthenera stands as the biggest question of them all. What did "dreaming" encompass when the veil wasn't present?
Perhaps they created the Veil to go hunt "the pillars of the earth"? I could be wrong.
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Didn't Valta say that the Titan wasn't happy that there was a Breach in the sky? It seems to like the Veil.....
I don't like to assume Felassan is in an Abelas situation per say... He could be in a bind more akin to Michel/Mihris. It is a popular theory he was victim of a gaes, though, and I've got an open mind to all the theories. Until we have something more decisive dropped for us, that is!
Is the supposed DLC announcement this weekend?
When I say an Abelas type situation I'm simply referring to his origin and nature. I'm not saying he's also the leader of ancient Elvhen guardians chosen to protect an Elvhen "god`s" temple. I just mean he clearly is an ancient Elvhen who probably comes from one of those secluded Elvhen factions that Abelas hints at, given his mysterious knowledge and the way he describes things as if having lived them.
As for the announcement, whatever it is, yes PAX is this weekend.
Perhaps they created the Veil to go hunt "the pillars of the earth"?
I don't think so, if anything, it would be to their benefit to have as much magic as possible in Thedas in order to fight the Titans. Besides, I believe their roles to be one of balance. Dragons ruling the skies, Titans ruling the earth. both magics (fade magic and "primal" magic for lack of a better term) different faces, but part of the same coin (like negative and positive charges that cancel each other out). I think the Veil is what sundered the connection between the Titans and the Dwarves, or at the very least, weakened it, giving them the opportunity to experience individual thought. I also think the veil is what made the TItans fall asleep. I believe that is the reason that the breach "disturbed" the TItan. I'm guessing that's why they don't move anymore and why they can't produce anymore "subservient" Dwarves.
When I say an Abelas typesituation I'm simply referring to his origin and nature. I'm not saying he's also the leader of ancient Elvhen guardians chosen to protect an Elvhen "god`s" temple. I just mean he clearly is an ancient Elvhen who probably comes from one of those secluded Elvhen factions that Abelas hints at, given his mysterious knowledge and the way he describes things as if having lived them.
As for the announcement, whatever it is, yes PAX is this weekend.
That's what I mean though, I don't necessarily put him in an ancient elf crew (though honestly, he probably is).
Mind completely open and all: If he is in a Mihris/Michel situation, then one would have to wonder what he got for his part of the bargain, too (knowledge?). He seems quite fond of the heroic image in said stories and legends, though, and it makes me wonder if he's younger than Solas and Abelas. Could be a younger elf but from a clan devoted to the Forgotten Ones, where they didn't suffer the loss of culture that Dalish elves did. -shrug shrug-
And ok guys, I'm gonna be counting on all of you for updating us on any news. :>
If supposedly there was no Veil in ancient Arlathan and "magic was as natural as breathing", then technically he was never physically in the Fade (as a separate place).
At least that is what I assume.
Edit: But then how is he a Dreamer if the fade wasn't separate back then? When people dream, they go to the Fade so if there is no Fade (as a seperate place) then....what? You're just constantly awake but when you "dream" everything looks trippy like as if you took some psychedelic drugs?
And where did the elves go while in Uthenara? A place like the Crossroads?
Yeah that's one of my quips about when exactly the veil was created, given Uthenera is an ancient practice. Also, some of my theories are based on Fen'Harel and Mythal creating the veil (with the help of their Elvhen Orb Foci) as a measure to imprison the Elvhen Pantheon and "The Forgotten Ones". It gets a bit complicated but anyways. Uthenera stands as the biggest question of them all. What did "dreaming" encompass when the veil wasn't present?
You guys pinpointed the one thing that bugs me about theorycrafting regarding the Fade -- because as was pointed out, it seems as though it didn't used to be a separate place. As we can see in this --> ye old illustrated timeline ... in 4750 FA is when the elves supposedly lost their immortality. Most people attribute that to something something Veil something. If that IS when the Veil was constructed, then it'd make the time period for 'dreamers' very shallow, in terms of historical breadth. Practically only 3000 years before the Andraste era began. So surely the Veil existed before then? Because the Veil would have been crafted before humans came to Thedas, yes?
What did they do before the Veil? Just not dream at all... not sleep? Or maybe they... did something spirity? So confusing.
You guys pinpointed the one thing that bugs me about theorycrafting regarding the Fade -- because as was pointed out, it seems as though it didn't used to be a separate place. As we can see in this --> ye old illustrated timeline ... in 4750 FA is when the elves supposedly lost their immortality. Most people attribute that to something something Veil something. If that IS when the Veil was constructed, then it'd make the time period for 'dreamers' very shallow, in terms of historical breadth. Practically only 3000 years before the Andraste era began. So surely the Veil existed before then? Because the Veil would have been crafted before humans came to Thedas, yes?
What did they do before the Veil? Just not dream at all... not sleep? Or maybe they... did something spirity? So confusing.
I'm glad you mentioned immortality and it's relation to the veil. Look at Cole's comments about spirits bleeding and eating in the "real" world:
Dorian: Do you need to eat, Cole? Or sleep?
Cole: I thought I had to. But I don't. The Old Songs can pull me.
Dorian: That's something. I don't know what, but it's something.
Dorian: What about when you're injured? Why do you bleed? Is it because you think you have to?
Cole: Is that why you bleed?
Dorian: I-- well-- uh, yes. You have me there.
Perhaps immortality was in a similar situation. Before the veil, one could simply "will" things to happen (or am I miss-remembering that?).. Maybe they could will themselves to be immortal? When they lost the veil, they lost their ability to "will" things as they used to.
In the Skyhold codex:
Our belief transformed into everything. (assertation/problem? uncertain)
All time is transformed into the final/first death (uncertain),
Inevitable/threatened victory and horrible/promised freedom in the untorn veils, (uncertain)
Where the sky is held up/back, where the people give/gain love that is an apology/promise from/to....(missing subject, uncertain)
"Our belief transformed into everything" - They willed things into existence.
"All time is transformed into the final/first death" - Eternity morphed into mortality?
"Victory and horrible freedom in the untorn veils" - Freedom came at a cost?
In the same codex it says of Skyhold (Divine era): "The Veil is old here".
You guys pinpointed the one thing that bugs me about theorycrafting regarding the Fade -- because as was pointed out, it seems as though it didn't used to be a separate place. As we can see in this --> ye old illustrated timeline ... in 4750 FA is when the elves supposedly lost their immortality. Most people attribute that to something something Veil something.
Linking the veil to the loss of elvhen immortality seems like sketchy logic to me. That would imply humanity was around back when the Fade and Reality were one and the same, which would be really odd. Remember, without the veil, reality itself takes on the impermanent nature of the Fade: any sentient mind can shape it at will. Why then would Tevinter dreamers need to be taught magic?
I suspect it's much, much older- possibly as old as the earliest Dwarven records, since the event that caused their permanent severance from the Fade/Titans (and creation of the replacement Shaperate) could be directly related.
Thanks I guess lol. I feel like this is the one time I need to write down the story to help get it out of my end because it is actually ruining my life to thing so much about Solas and Lavellan's romance. I already have like, 11 pages...Ugh. I have no idea where I would even post it tbh. I've never posted a fanfiction or anything like that before.
I had always created extensive headcanons but never actually wrote anything with them until I had Solas feels. I figured I'd challenge myself to try and write fiction again. I did one or two really short things. And now I have a file with many more that runs almost 14k words and a few are up on AO3. I've finally been feeling inspired again, so might do some more.
And here's a question: when you take Solas to the fade in Here Lies the Abyss, is he lying when he says "I never thought I would find myself here physically"?
Surely he's been there before if he is Fen'harel..
As others have said, the timeline here is fuzzy. Was Fen'Harel elevated or did he come into whatever power he had before or after the creation of the Veil?
But he does very specific things to make sure his ability to go into the Fade is undisturbed - like not touching blood magic even though he considers it just a tool, and avoiding caffeine.
Either way I'm looking forward to whatever we will learn next.
Speaking of fluff, I went back and finished something I started a while back, though I'm not quite 100% loving the end. But why not toss it on the internet?
I just spent like 2-3 hrs testing my idea for when I do gender bent Solas. It kind of works. It's pretty rough (since I didn't feel like putting on make up or wasting too much stuff). I'll post the picture I like most so you can see. When I look at myself like this is really weirds me out tbh lol. I have a slightly similar shaped face to Solas...I'm basically following the Fen'Harel/concept art idea for hair. I plan to put a bunch of little plaits in it when I actually do it. If people want me to stop posting my cosplay stuff please let me know. This is how I art best lol.
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I just spent like 2-3 hrs testing my idea for when I do gender bent Solas. It kind of works. It's pretty rough (since I didn't feel like putting on make up or wasting too much stuff). I'll post the picture I like most so you can see. When I look at myself like this is really weirds me out tbh lol. I have a slightly similar shaped face to Solas...I'm basically following the Fen'Harel/concept art idea for hair. I plan to put a bunch of little plaits in it when I actually do it. If people want me to stop posting my cosplay stuff please let me know. This is how I art best lol.
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That really is looking good. Your eyes and expression really work there. Definitely keep posting. I love watching the cosplay process. And all the art and other creative things people share.
Kind of wondering here, did someone address the idea that "I am The One" might be about Solas?
Beautiful cover:
It is originally an Elvhen song, first heard at DAO, and its' lyrics are (probably roughly) translated to:
<lyrics>
I feel sun
Through the ashes in the sky.
Where's the one
Who'll guide us into the night?
"I feel sun through the ashes in the sky"
Ashes in the sky makes me think of two things, first one is a full on mage battle using fire, the other thing is less literal - since ashes are gray, it could depict cloudy sky.
Either way the first part of the verse seems (to me to speak) about the calm after a tragic event, or hope in spite of it.
Or perhaps, and this entirely stretching it, since Elgar'nan is depicted by sun (being the child or sun and whatnot) perhaps it speaks of said tragedy happening without the All-Father's interference or care.
"Where's the one who'll guide us into the night?"
Falon'Din? Did he die, or perhaps this is about the idea Fen'Harel locked the Elvhen Pantheon away?
Solas speaks of Falon'Din as power hungry and that his vanity caused wars, maybe this part of the verse questions Falon'Din's legitimacy as part of the Elvhen Pantheon or as the Guide.
It could be someone else, or something else...
What's begun
Is the war that will
Force this divide.
What's to come
Is fire and the end of time.
I think this speaks of the civil wars within the Elvhen that seem to be the reason for the downfall of the Elvhen.
"Force this divide" may speak of the fact the Elvhen are no more and the elves remaining became either nomads or servants to humans.
The final part may speak of the end of the Elvhen (since Solas and the elves of the Temple of Mythal feel the current elves are no Elvhen).
I am the one
Who can recount
What we've lost.
I am the one
Who will live on.
Pretty straightforward, he has seen it all, been through it, he knows what the elves have lost (knowledge, immortality, magic...).
I also think for a long time he thought he was truly alone in his existence as part of the Elvhen.
I have run
Through the fields
Of pain and sighs.
I have fought
To see the other side.
Could be speaking of the active role he took in the "elven skirmishes", and "fought to see the other side" as his efforts to reach to the "commoners" of the Elvhen or perhaps to understand the actions of the pantheon.
It also could be speaking of the fade, memories of war, despair, and "fought to see the other side" depicting the other side as the fade?
Makes you wonder if Solas existed in some pre-veil era.
I am the one
Who can recount
What we've lost.
I am the one
Who will live on.
He will live on.
</lyrics>
I'm not too great with interpenetrating lyrics, so feel free to add what you think or completely ignore my post !
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We've definitely talked about I Am The One before. The original and the English ones admittedly do not match up due to how they initially did their elven language stuff, but the team had planned Solas and a lot of the elven stuff from the beginning so they went ahead and created a new version that likely fits.
We've definitely talked about I Am The One before. The original and the English ones admittedly do not match up due to how they initially did their elven language stuff, but the team had planned Solas and a lot of the elven stuff from the beginning so they went ahead and created a new version that likely fits.
It's really hard to translate it, but I'm not sure we can with our knowledge of the language and the fact is seems they sort of.. Went with it when they wrote the language instead of doing it in an orderly fashion XD.
Also, in the Skyhold codex it says Solas helps translating something from Elven and that "Even with assistance from your elf, we managed only a partial translation. Elven is often a game of intents, not direct mapping of phonetic meaning. That means it's a mess."
Which is nice excuse to why they don't have a functioning language mapped out
Oh, and I didn't know this way talked about (though I assumed since this thread is filled with lore-maniacs [in a good manner]), sorry ^^;
And here's a question: when you take Solas to the fade in Here Lies the Abyss, is he lying when he says "I never thought I would find myself here physically"?
Surely he's been there before if he is Fen'harel..
Not necessarily. When Inquisitor talks with him in the Fade scene in Skyhold, Solas marvels at Quizzy's potential ability to walk the Fade physically and tells them that he's explored the Fade more than anyone else alive, but he can only visit it in dreams. He's also absolutely amazed with being physically there in Adamant, so I don't think he's lying about that.
That, of course, makes me wonder how old Solas actually is and whether Fen'Harel is as old, or perhaps older than him and what all this means, but it may be as I suspect it is, and Solas himself was born back when the Veil was there already (even if maybe somewhat different) and the Elvhen Empire was falling apart.
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Solas makes it sound like, before the Veil, the Fade was another part of the world, like the wind. If the Fade was a physical part of the world, but a place that was inaccessible to most living (like the deepest parts of the sea or the upper atmosphere) then he may have still needed to dream or converse with spirits to know much about it.
That's my interpretation of it anyway. You could harness it's energy more easily, spirits were commonplace and not only seen when drawn through and warped or bound. I also think that back then, Elves had a special link with spirits and the Fade, something that was slowly taken from them when the Veil was raised. I also think that when Solas speaks of "my people" he may not just be referring to the Elves of old, but of spirits also.
But it's all theory and conjecture atm, I can't wait to find out what his motivations truly are. I've not been quite so engrossed in waiting for a game revelation in my life.
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Solas makes it sound like, before the Veil, the Fade was another part of the world, like the wind. If the Fade was a physical part of the world, but a place that was inaccessible to most living (like the deepest parts of the sea or the upper atmosphere) then he may have still needed to dream or converse with spirits to know much about it.
That's my interpretation of it anyway. You could harness it's energy more easily, spirits were commonplace and not only seen when drawn through and warped or bound. I also think that back then, Elves had a special link with spirits and the Fade, something that was slowly taken from them when the Veil was raised. I also think that when Solas speaks of "my people" he may not just be referring to the Elves of old, but of spirits also.
But it's all theory and conjecture atm, I can't wait to find out what his motivations truly are. I've not been quite so engrossed in waiting for a game revelation in my life.
I like to imagine that when they created the Veil, it was like lifting oil from water (but magically and more intense, obviously)... and then they shifted it in to a slightly different dimension (so it could still be tapped in to). Basically, it'd mean they took a part of the fabric of existence and walled it off though. What the hell made them think it'd work, I wonder? Even if this theory is wrong, and the Veil was created differently... now that I think of it, it still sounds like a super dangerous thing to do.
I just started playing DAO and DA2 all over again because when I played them last time I was never really focusing on too much on some side things and lore etc. Idk I was an idiot so now I am really trying to get to know all the characters (the older ones) like Shale, Leliana (I did not find her first lol and now I feel really stupid after beating the whole game and all dlc's) Also Oghren. But I must admit.. after playing Awakening.. omg Anders was amazing! I hated him the first time I played DA2 because I had not played Awakening and now I feel incredibly stupid after meeting Justice and Anders. I actually want to try a romance with him now haha I think I romanced him once before but I don't remember any of it... soooo... I am super excited! Haha I still romanced Alistair on the first game though and I also loove Fenris but I will see if I will like Anders more or maybe both of them equally. I will see hehe.
Kind of wondering here, did someone address the idea that "I am The One" might be about Solas?
Beautiful cover:
It is originally an Elvhen song, first heard at DAO, and its' lyrics are (probably roughly) translated to:
<lyrics>
I feel sun
Through the ashes in the sky.
Where's the one
Who'll guide us into the night?
"I feel sun through the ashes in the sky"
Ashes in the sky makes me think of two things, first one is a full on mage battle using fire, the other thing is less literal - since ashes are gray, it could depict cloudy sky.
Either way the first part of the verse seems (to me to speak) about the calm after a tragic event, or hope in spite of it.
Or perhaps, and this entirely stretching it, since Elgar'nan is depicted by sun (being the child or sun and whatnot) perhaps it speaks of said tragedy happening without the All-Father's interference or care.
"Where's the one who'll guide us into the night?"
Falon'Din? Did he die, or perhaps this is about the idea Fen'Harel locked the Elvhen Pantheon away?
Solas speaks of Falon'Din as power hungry and that his vanity caused wars, maybe this part of the verse questions Falon'Din's legitimacy as part of the Elvhen Pantheon or as the Guide.
It could be someone else, or something else...
What's begun
Is the war that will
Force this divide.
What's to come
Is fire and the end of time.
I think this speaks of the civil wars within the Elvhen that seem to be the reason for the downfall of the Elvhen.
"Force this divide" may speak of the fact the Elvhen are no more and the elves remaining became either nomads or servants to humans.
The final part may speak of the end of the Elvhen (since Solas and the elves of the Temple of Mythal feel the current elves are no Elvhen).
I am the one
Who can recount
What we've lost.
I am the one
Who will live on.
Pretty straightforward, he has seen it all, been through it, he knows what the elves have lost (knowledge, immortality, magic...).
I also think for a long time he thought he was truly alone in his existence as part of the Elvhen.
I have run
Through the fields
Of pain and sighs.
I have fought
To see the other side.
Could be speaking of the active role he took in the "elven skirmishes", and "fought to see the other side" as his efforts to reach to the "commoners" of the Elvhen or perhaps to understand the actions of the pantheon.
It also could be speaking of the fade, memories of war, despair, and "fought to see the other side" depicting the other side as the fade?
Makes you wonder if Solas existed in some pre-veil era.
I am the one
Who can recount
What we've lost.
I am the one
Who will live on.
He will live on.
</lyrics>
I'm not too great with interpenetrating lyrics, so feel free to add what you think or completely ignore my post !
It could definitely be about Solas
I like your interpretation but because of our conversations about the veil above I can't help but see this
<lyrics>
I feel sun (Elgar'nan perhaps)
Through the ashes in the sky. (The reckoning of something after everything burned?, maybe relating to the Elvhen legend of the Sun's jealousy)
Where's the one
Who'll guide us into the night? (Again reference to the legend, Mythal is the guide, who created the moon, don't think it's Falon'Din given the context)
What's begun
Is the war that will
Force this divide. (Creation of the veil) or it could be referencing the rebellion as you stated
What's to come
Is fire and the end of time. I see a parallel with this (All time is transformed into the final/first death)
I am the one
Who can recount
What we've lost. (if the veil was the split, then magic Arlathan and their very nature, could be what they lost) if the rebellion, then talking about casualties of war as well as culture etc.
I am the one
Who will live on.
I have run
Through the fields (The imagery this evokes is interesting like an animal running, perhaps a wolf?
Of pain and sighs.
I have fought
To see the other side. (If the veil was the split, he is looking to walk The Fade, physically) If the rebellion, the other side could be
I am the one
Who can recount
What we've lost.
I am the one
Who will live on.
</lyrics>
This has no relation other than the part I used as a parallel, I just felt like reposting it as I find it interesting
Our belief transformed into everything. (assertation/problem? uncertain)
All time is transformed into the final/first death (uncertain),
Inevitable victory and promised freedom in the untorn veils
Where the sky is held up, where the people give love that is a promise to....
Where the sky is held back, where the people gain love that is an apology from....
Where the sky is held up, where the people gain love that is a promise from...
Where the sky is held back, where the people give love that is an apology to...
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