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The Qunari are weird about magic...I mean in DA2 the Arvaraad (?) acts like you're contagious or something..I mean he throw a fit just because as a mage you've been talking to him .

Even Meredith looked saner than that.

 

Yeah, I remember.  That was a fun quest with Mage!Hawke and Anders in tow  :rolleyes: 

 

I'm just wondering if it's for any special reason, if qunari mages are somehow different from normal Thedosian mages, or more susceptible to corruption.  I mean, it doesn't make any sense for them to just flat-out decree that no qunari ever enter the Fade if they have mages, and the very DEFINITION of magic involves the Fade.  I know they can be dogmatic, but thus far their attitudes have never been that completely divorced from reality  :huh: And as long as they keep to the Qun, they do consider the saarebas to be qunari; even the saarebas in DA2 considers himself a follower of the Qun.


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There would be an angry mobs marching with torches and pitchforks at Bioware bases, calling for ritual sacrifices, methinks :lol:

 

Nah, I'll just stop playing: If they don't tie their loose threads like that, why keep following the story? One of the first things they teach us in science is to abandon a question we can't possibly answer ASAP.


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From World of Thedas 1 page 143

"The Qunari believe the Fade is the Land of the Dead.Entering it in any fashion is strickly forbidden by the Qun, and the idea that a sleeping Qunari might ever enter such a realm is reprehensible.
Qunari insist that they do not dream as others do.Since they are rarely encountered in the Fade ,it can be hard to refute this claim."


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I hate spoiler tags, but its spoiled for the DLC leak in case anyone having issues with that. Do I still need to spoil that?
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Yeah, I remember.  That was a fun quest with Mage!Hawke and Anders in tow  :rolleyes:

 

I'm just wondering if it's for any special reason, if qunari mages are somehow different from normal Thedosian mages, or more susceptible to corruption.  I mean, it doesn't make any sense for them to just flat-out decree that no qunari ever enter the Fade if they have mages, and the very DEFINITION of magic involves the Fade.  I know they can be dogmatic, but thus far their attitudes have never been that completely divorced from reality  :huh: And as long as they keep to the Qun, they do consider the saarebas to be qunari; even the saarebas in DA2 considers himself a follower of the Qun.

 

Well Sten was a bit divorced from reality ...Sten "You can't be a woman".

Female warden "I am a woman".

Sten "No."

Female warden "...."


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How about they don't reference the romance at all?

 

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Let's not even joke about this possibility. They do love to torture us.

 

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Anyway... speaking of artsy stuff again (since I'm in a mood), but this time different. I wonder how many people noticed what statue of Mythal is based on?

 

Answer is - one the most famous statues of all times: Nike of Samothrace :)

 

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I wonder if there's any significance in that? The signature Mythal statue being based on (arguably) the most renowned sculpture from ancient Greece?


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Nah, I'll just stop playing: If they don't tie their loose threads like that, why keep following the story? One of the first things they teach us in science is to abandon a question we can't possibly answer ASAP.

 

Not the lab I'm in.  If at first you don't succeed, design another experiment and keep banging your head against the universe's secrets  :lol:

 

 

Well Sten was a bit divorced from reality ...Sten "You can't be a woman".

Female warden "I am a woman".

Sten "No."

Female warden "...."

 

It was more that to him, she couldn't be both a woman and a warrior.  She had to be one or the other, and since she was a Warden, he treated her as a warrior.  And to be fair, Sten's opinions shifted a lot over DA:O.


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Maybe their vitaars play a role in limiting/preventing them from dreaming within the Fade? 

 

Their skin is unique to say the least and depending on the formula/symbol the vitaar will then give that qunari a special effect

 

Or maybe the Tamasrans do a weird ritual (maybe a brief exposure to that orb that strips non-mages of their will/tranquil?) that weakens the their connection to the Fade. Emphasis on weaken since there are Qunari mages.

 

Maybe the qunari seen in the Fade are the handful of qunari mages?


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Not the lab I'm in.  If at first you don't succeed, design another experiment and keep banging your head against the universe's secrets  :lol:

 

Head banging is inevitable! But what I meant is that after several negative results, you do have to drop the direction you're going into and change your hypothesis, or approach, or, Creators help you, the entire project. 


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Head banging is inevitable! But what I meant is that after several negative results, you do have to drop the direction you're going into and change your hypothesis, or approach, or, Creators help you, the entire project. 

 

Oh, definitely.  Fingers crossed for DA:I not resembling graduate school  :lol:

 

Maybe their vitaars play a role in limiting/preventing them from dreaming within the Fade? 

 

Their skin is unique to say the least and depending on the formula/symbol the vitaar will then give that qunari a special effect

 

Does vitaar get used by normal qunari too?  Noncombatants, I mean.  I thought only their warriors used it.


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Oh, definitely.  Fingers crossed for DA:I not resembling graduate school  :lol:

 

Well, romancing Solas resembles pretty closely the grad school experience so far :D


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Well, here's the thing - I DO know much about art, considering that I've been doing it professionally for years :)

 

 

As another of the many resident artists here in this thread, I thought I should put my opinion forward as well. Namely being, while your arguments against the final panel not being done by Solas are as valid as any other head canon, I have to personally disagree. Here's why:

1. First - when and why would he do that?
From a story perspective, it makes absolute sense that he might have a thing or two to collect from Skyhold before he leaves for good. His most opportune time to do so would be after the party, when everyone is completely passed out. The Eluvian would be an easy in and out if necessary.

If not the above, then it is possible he did the painting before they left Skyhold -- confident in their success, he may have gotten ahead of himself.

2. Second - the last panel is not only sloppily drawn, it's sloppy in itself; drawn by someone with less talent or experience. 
Well it is obviously a rough, and that's why I understand the state of it being sloppy. Your own roughs might be different in nature, but I for one have seen many people work from what looks like a complete mess in to something articulated and beautiful. When an artist is experienced, they give little worry about the look of a rough, so long as it reminds them of what their final intention is. And here, the final intention is visibly clear. So mission success, as far as roughs go. I understand you are referencing base artistic knowledge as your defense for this, like what seems to be a poorly laid out composition... but as we know nothing about Solas' process, then we can't say it is falling short. The intricity of the frescos come mostly from the use of contrast, pattern work and geometric power -- all things that wouldn't necessarily be present at this very rough stage. To me, I see the potential of it as it is now and I am fine with it.

Now from a real world perspective, it is possible that the final panel was done by another artist on the team at Bioware (though I doubt it, to me it still looks done by the same artist). And as far as I am aware, Nick Thornborrow was responsible for the entirety of it (except for figuring out the logistics of sequence, I believe that was the brain child of other members of the team). More likely, in an attempt to make it look rough, Nick dumbed it down. Still supposed to have been done by Solas, though.

3. Third - how can some people see a wolf standing above a dragon eludes me.
There's a strong debate in the fan community as to if this is a wolf or a dragon, hehe. So you're not alone. If it is Fen'harel, it is possible he depicts himself as a combination of the two -- a wolfy looking dragon, not so dissimilar from how some people interpret the Behemoth. More likely it is representative of the Inquisition or Morrigan herself, though. The downturned sword could be the Inquisition slaying the foul beast, and the 'thing' watching it could be the greatest force of all three (symbolic of greater powers watching the battle). If it is in fact the dragon vs dragon battle, the larger one is symbolically the 'victor'. The one thing that I find curious is the ''drippings' roughed in. It could be mess from the wash, true... but it looks more like the aftermath of the bloody battle. So blood would have probably played a part in that scene. Here is a closeup of the panel in question:

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4. Not THAT much inconsistency. It's one thing to rush a work, it's another to paint something that's so... off.:
I think I've addressed this above -- but again, everyone is allowed their own interpretations and theories :)
Furthermore, it has the same sense of 'flow' and works in with the rest of the paintings quite nicely, as you can see with a little rearranging.
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5. Hence the reason to assume he didn't do it at all. He's way too distraught and has different things on his mind:
Solas would feel a guilt for leaving the Inquisition, it's not beyond reach to think he'd at least want to leave something behind. If it is a message of sorts, as people sometimes think, then this would be even more believable.

Side note: For those who thought the dragon looked oddly like a foot? After the whole Descent DLC I legitimiately had a little laugh about that.

 

Lol thanks. It's not really that hard... The people I've interacted with (such as yourself) have been very respectful and also bring up very interesting theories and discussions. I'm just a cog in the already well-oiled machine, so don't sell yourself short! I'm glad you enjoyed the parallels I brought up and thanks for posting the song, I always enjoy listening to it ;)

You should make sure to poke your head in when Madrar, Gwyvian and Caddius get going!

 

I seriously doubt anyone would add anything to Solas's mural after he left. That's pretty much the most WRONG thing you could do to an artist, aside from actually destroying an artist's work.

 

This just proves to me that Solas rushed back to Skyhold to finish the mural, before the Inquisition could return. If Solas is the kind of artist who puts a lot of thought into his work, it makes sense that his last mural wouldn't quite match the others in terms of proportion and composition. An artist is capable of inconsistency, especially if you're rushing. If I try to sketch something out in under five minutes, it's going to look like s**t.

I wholly agree. Though in my mind, he did it when everyone was passed out from the party... and also to collect a few of his things. xD


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How about they don't reference the romance at all?
 
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How about they don't reference the romance at all?

 

 

 

This is the only thing that would majorly ****** me off. I can take betrayal, death, sad goodbyes, a happy reunion, whatever. But if it's not referenced at all, I would be really, really angry. I'd be just as annoyed if all we get is a note, or maybe a line from a different companion about the romance. I mean, story does come first and I can accept that it might not line up for Solas to come back or somehow contact Lavellan, but it would be crap to just have things brushed to the side to that degree.

 

 

Furthermore, it has the same sense of 'flow' and works in with the rest of the paintings quite nicely, as you can see with a little rearranging.
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5. Hence the reason to assume he didn't do it at all. He's way too distraught and has different things on his mind:
Solas would feel a guilt for leaving the Inquisition, it's not beyond reach to think he'd at least want to leave something behind. If it is a message of sorts, as people sometimes think, then this would be even more believable.

Side note: For those who thought the dragon looked oddly like a foot? After the whole Descent DLC I legitimiately had a little laugh about that.
 

 

I wonder if the last panel is meant to show what Solas is going to get up to, rather than it being a portrayal of the final battle with Corypheus. Not necessarily showing that he's going to eat Flemeth's soul or anything like that, but what his overall mission is. Or what drives him to begin with.


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This is the only thing that would majorly ****** me off. I can take betrayal, death, sad goodbyes, a happy reunion, whatever. But if it's not referenced at all, I would be really, really angry. I'd be just as annoyed if all we get is a note, or maybe a line from a different companion about the romance. I mean, story does come first and I can accept that it might not line up for Solas to come back or somehow contact Lavellan, but it would be crap to just have things brushed to the side to that degree.

 

 

 

I wonder if the last panel is meant to show what Solas is going to get up to, rather than it being a portrayal of the final battle with Corypheus. Not necessarily showing that he's going to eat Flemeth's soul or anything like that, but what his overall mission is. Or what drives him to begin with.

Totally in the realm of possibility! And that'd be like his 'message' to the Inquisitor.

For all we know, this final panel was originally planned to play a part in the 'search for Solas' that was cut from the initial release. :)


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Hm.

 

If you drank from the Well, you might be compelled to go with Solas in the end.  And he would feel very guilty and sad about that, because whatever he's doing... well, it doesn't look good.

 

Also... Spoilering for those who have not and do not wish to see any info from the possible survey leak that happened a while back:

 

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If you drank from the Well, you might be compelled to go with Solas in the end.  

 

I have no problem with that :)


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As another of the many resident artists here in this thread, I thought I should put my opinion forward as well. Namely being, while your arguments against the final panel not being done by Solas are as valid as any other head canon, I have to personally disagree. Here's why:

 

... I'll just put my response in spoiler tag, considering that it's quite wall-of-text'ish... again. Sorry^^;

 

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I have no problem with that :)

 

It doesn't sound horrible but in practice, it might be.  What if it means you'll have to be sacrificed?  What if it means you'll become blighted?

 

We have no idea what he's up to, and while I don't doubt his intentions are honorable enough, you know it's not going to go well or there wouldn't be cause for a DA4.


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I just wanted to point out about the final panel of the mural: In several posts at least two different people said that it's drawn high compared to everything else. I think that's because there's a couch next to the lower part of the wall:

 

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I have no problem with that :)

 

:lol:

 

Well, considering his feelings and opinions on freedom, Solas might. And that's another possibility for a deeply tragic moment.

 

I just want him to have a moment of true peace, and ideally, some form of truth about what he's really like, as opposed to the legendary vilification, especially if anything happens to him. But I just ask for something satisfying.


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It doesn't sound horrible but in practice, it might be.  What if it means you'll have to be sacrificed?  What if it means you'll become blighted?

 

We have no idea what he's up to, and while I don't doubt his intentions are honorable enough, you know it's not going to go well or there wouldn't be cause for a DA4.

 

Well, either my Inky dies tragically or is compelled to do something really bad against their will. I've no problem with a tragic death given that it is extremely unlikely we'll be able to play the same character in DA4. As for doing something really bad, at the time frame of the game my canon Lavellan is a reckless risk taker. I want her mistakes to have grave consequences, not just for her, but for those who depend on her. 

 

For Inquisitors with pure hearts who do not want to be bound to an ancient god and made do horrible things, there's an easy solution: Don't drink from the effing well! It's called the Well of Sorrows. Sorrows!


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I just wanted to point out about the final panel of the mural: In several posts at least two different people said that it's drawn high compared to everything else. I think that's because there's a couch next to the lower part of the wall:

 

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How does the couch change anything? None other furniture placement in rotunda is reflected in rest of panel's design - plus, it doesn't allow Solas to paint anything higher other than the paw and fallen dragons' head. In fact - how do you put a ladder to reach and paint higher than this, when couch is on the way????

 

....Is it so bouncy that Solas is able to use it as a trampoline to draw higher parts of the panel?

 

Gawd, that's one heck of a hilarious mental picture: distraught Solas sneaking into Skyhold to bounce on a couch in order to paint this thing :lol: Well, that made my day :D


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How does the couch change anything? None other furniture practice is reflected in rest of pael's design - plus, it doesn't allow Solas to paint anything higher other than the paw and fallen dragons' head. In fact - how do you put a ladder to reach and paint higher than this, when couch is on the way????

 

....Is it so bouncy that Solas is able to use it as a trampoline to draw other parts of mural?

 

Gawd, that's one heck of a hilarious mental picture: distraught Solas sneaking into Skyhold to bounce on a couch in order to paint this thing :lol: Well, that made my day :D

 

Noooo, that's not what I meant (although that made me laugh  :lol: :lol:  :lol: )! You were criticising his composition and saying how there's this huge blank space underneath the animals. (At least that's what I think you meant by bad composition???) Well, he didn't sketch anything there because that's where the couch is.

 

Also, maybe that's why it's badly sketched - it's hard to get it right when you have to jump up and down while sketching  :P



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... I'll just put my response in spoiler tag, considering that it's quite wall-of-text'ish... again. Sorry^^;

 

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As Drosophila pointed out, there's a couch below the mural -- so reasoning to have the subjects raised (while everything else is supposedly lower) is to prevent points of tension. Plus, hypothetically, if it was a real painting that ever intended to be really finished... I wouldn't be surprised if the 'ground' was blood that held its own designs -- and not something to be covered up. And as you've pointed out yourself, he probably had the entire thing planned out already. Why would he have to include all the geometric and patterning elements at this stage? He knows they are going there eventually. Rule #1: start with your masses of shape and form first, details last. We can already tell that there were some hard lines (what look like rays of light repeated in other areas of the fresco) roughed in -- so there's that. :)

You mention how an artist's skill is reflected in their sketch work, and this can be true. Sometimes. Sometimes it's all about the idea, and it can literally just be nothing to anybody except the person who made the marks. Sometimes the construction looks rigid and gross until the whole picture is formed. When I mention Solas' process I don't mean his planning. I mean his actual process of mark making (one could argue you're supposed to do the whole picture equally, but artists rarely do that. They work on the part they want until their brain tells them to step back).

And as far as composition goes:
The horizontal lines you see aren't any more defined than other horizontal lines in the collection. Add in the diagonals roughed in and you have a recurring theme. In fact the horizontal created by the dragon is located in the same division (roughly following the rule of thirds) as the windows behind Celene.

You're ignoring the most convincing argument of mine, though... Nick probably dumbed it down to make it look rough. That solves the whole "doesn't look like Solas' work" quite solidly... if it doesn't carry the same skill, in your eyes -- that's because someone had to purposefully paint something that didn't look finished.


Now in the real world, you'd need tools to get as high as the frescos reach, yes. And your guys' imagery of a bouncing Solas is hilarious, but... but this is Dragon Age. That ladder set up has never moved a single inch, but Solas still manages somehow. And let's not forget that he is an ancient elf with magics we can only dream of -- who is to say he doesn't know something or other to help him out, mm? This is a fantasy universe, so I never nit pick little physical details. It's futile, really. Rules are broken and bent and enforced all the time for no more reason than it suits the story.


Furthermore, this is only addressing the post-ending scenario -- there's no logic against Solas doing this before the final battle. I'm on the fence as to whether it was done pre or post ending, but I definitely think Solas did the painting. ;)


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