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Noooo, that's not what I meant (although that made me laugh  :lol: :lol:  :lol: )! You were criticising his composition and saying how there's this huge blank space underneath the animals. (At least that's what I think you meant by bad composition???) Well, he didn't sketch anything there because that's where the couch is.

 

Also, maybe that's why it's badly sketched - it's hard to get it right when you have to jump up and down while sketching  :P

 

It sounds like something that should be right there with Monty Python's Ministry Of Silly Walks skit :lol:

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Anyway - yes, by bad composition I mean that not all parts of panel are used, which lies in stark contrast to every other panel, or the way they've been composed. Like I said, none of the other panels take into consideration the placement of any other furniture piece in rotunda. And even if we assume that this last panel was done in haste, that still doesn't explain why the piece is much higher than the couch and mostly out of reach for an elf (even a tall one) to draw comfortably, even if he's standing on it (and bouncing?:D) - especially if he's supposedly done in a rush. I know that Solas can be put into category of people who over-complicate their life, rather than make it simpler or easier, but that's quite a stretch^^; 


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I think he did it, in a hurry, to somehow give her something, to somehow own up to his actions, to somehow... end the story, or at least what he thinks is the end.
Either that or....

Enchantment?
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The amusing mental images are entertaining to the non visual artists among us.

 

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Well, either my Inky dies tragically or is compelled to do something really bad against their will. I've no problem with a tragic death given that it is extremely unlikely we'll be able to play the same character in DA4. As for doing something really bad, at the time frame of the game my canon Lavellan is a reckless risk taker. I want her mistakes to have grave consequences, not just for her, but for those who depend on her. 

 

For Inquisitors with pure hearts who do not want to be bound to an ancient god and made do horrible things, there's an easy solution: Don't drink from the effing well! It's called the Well of Sorrows. Sorrows!

 

I never said that everyone wanted it to end happily, but in the case that you do, I'm thinking the Well of Sorrows might be a very bad decision--even if you are compelled to do whatever Solas wants you to do.

 

And then again... if some fragment of Mythal still lives, you might be compelled to oppose Solas, or do goodness knows what else.


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Anyway - yes, by bad composition I mean that not all parts of panel are used, which lies in stark contrast to every other panel, or the way they've been composed. Like I said, none of the other panels take into consideration the placement of any other furniture piece in rotunda. And even if we assume that this last panel was done in haste, that still doesn't explain why the piece is much higher than the couch and mostly out of reach for an elf (even a tall one) to draw comfortably, even if he's standing on it (and bouncing? :D) - especially if he's supposedly done in a rush. I know that Solas can be put into category of people who over-complicate their life, rather than make it simpler or easier, but that's quite a stretch^^; 

 

What's to say there wasn't going to be imagery on the ground of the two creatures that are visible? They might appear so high up at this point only because we don't have the full picture. Whatever it would have been.

 

Going to agree with ChuChu otherwise. We never see the scaffold and ladder move through the game, but then there are massive depictions of our adventures going up between quests anyway. It's a bit of suspension of disbelief for all of it, never minding the final panel.


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I think he did it, in a hurry, to somehow give her something, to somehow own up to his actions, to somehow... end the story, or at least what he thinks is the end.
Either that or....

Enchantment?

Enchantment.


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And then again... if some fragment of Mythal still lives, you might be compelled to oppose Solas, or do goodness knows what else.

 

I didn't think of that. I wouldn't want that. :( But that's why saves were invented, and wouldn't it be nice if choosing whether to drink from the Well mattered?


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I didn't think of that. I wouldn't want that.  :( But that's why saves were invented, and wouldn't it be nice if choosing whether to drink from the Well mattered?

 

I think it is going to matter.  I remember someone saying the devs had tweeted that some of your choices in DA:I would have a major impact later.  So I am hoping I made the "correct" choices to see my kind-hearted Inquisitor through.  I'd feel so bad if she tried to do the right thing, over and over, and it just backfired on her.


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I just made a new video!

 

If any of you like Amy Lee and/or The Nightmare Before Christmas, then this video is for you!

 


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I think it is going to matter.  I remember someone saying the devs had tweeted that some of your choices in DA:I would have a major impact later.  So I am hoping I made the "correct" choices to see my kind-hearted Inquisitor through.  I'd feel so bad if she tried to do the right thing, over and over, and it just backfired on her.

 

Same. Mine, especially after all of this, is in healing mode but also accepted that this is her life now. She trusted Solas when he said not to drink and that was that. They were still together, in love, she trusted him, and on top of that, she couldn't risk being tied to anything, not even Mythal, because she was the only one who had the power to finish this Corypheus and Breach and rift business. it pained her in some way not to have all that wealth of knowledge from her culture, but it was a decision that truly signaled a shift in her duty. One that she never expected.

 

And then, of course, heartbreak came.


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I think it is going to matter.  I remember someone saying the devs had tweeted that some of your choices in DA:I would have a major impact later.  So I am hoping I made the "correct" choices to see my kind-hearted Inquisitor through.  I'd feel so bad if she tried to do the right thing, over and over, and it just backfired on her.

 

Same. Mine, especially after all of this, is in healing mode but also accepted that this is her life now. She trusted Solas when he said not to drink and that was that. They were still together, in love, she trusted him, and on top of that, she couldn't risk being tied to anything, not even Mythal, because she was the only one who had the power to finish this Corypheus and Breach and rift business. it pained her in some way not to have all that wealth of knowledge from her culture, but it was a decision that truly signaled a shift in her duty. One that she never expected.

 

And then, of course, heartbreak came.

 

You have my sincere wishes then that things work out for your Inkys.

 

And that mine suffers bitterly  :devil:


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I just made a new video!

 

If any of you like Amy Lee and/or The Nightmare Before Christmas, then this video is for you!

 

 

I loooove this song! Thank you!


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I didn't think of that. I wouldn't want that.  :( But that's why saves were invented, and wouldn't it be nice if choosing whether to drink from the Well mattered?

 

Well, the big question is whether SolaFen absorbing FleMythal's essence also means the geas was transferred with it. The fact that it was tied with such a major reveal gives me pause. I hope it does affect our relationship with SolaFen because no matter what it may be for any of your Inquisitors, the implications and possibilities involved seem like too grand a narrative opportunity to pass by.

 

At least that's what I tell myself before crying myself to sleep... :mellow:


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I loooove this song! Thank you!

 

So do I!  You are very welcome :)


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Well, the big question is whether SolaFen absorbing FleMythal's essence also means the geas was transferred with it. The fact that it was tied with such a major reveal gives me pause. I hope it does affect our relationship with SolaFen because no matter what it may be for any of your Inquisitors, the implications and possibilities involved seem like too grand a narrative opportunity to pass by.

 

At least that's what I tell myself before crying myself to sleep... :mellow:

 

 

Then, of course, there's always the question of Morrigan and if she is now the embodiment of Mythal. And if so, what part will she play? Will she bring about the promised reckoning? Will we need to do something to respond?

 

I absolutely love how we have hints but it's still just so vague.


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Well, the big question is whether SolaFen absorbing FleMythal's essence also means the geas was transferred with it. The fact that it was tied with such a major reveal gives me pause. I hope it does affect our relationship with SolaFen because no matter what it may be for any of your Inquisitors, the implications and possibilities involved seem like too grand a narrative opportunity to pass by.

 

Yeah, the way the OGB was too grand a narrative opportunity to pass by...  -_-


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The drinking from the well is the whole reason I did that AFTER I finished Jaws of Hakkon and Descent, so now if my decision not to drink from the well was a stupid one, I'll just go back and do it over with minimum fuss. :)
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As Drosphilia pointed out, there's a couch below the mural -- so reasoning to have the subjects raised (while everything else is supposedly lower) is to prevent points of tension. Plus, hypothetically, if it was a real painting that ever intended to be really finished... I wouldn't be surprised if the 'ground' was blood that held its own designs -- and not something to be covered up. And as you've pointed out yourself, he probably had the entire thing planned out already. Why would he have to include all the geometric and patterning elements at this stage? He knows they are going there eventually. Rule #1: start with your masses of shape and form first, details last. We can already tell that there were some hard lines (what look like rays of light repeated in other areas of the fresco) roughed in -- so there's that. :)

 

I've already pointed out issues with the couch - and that in fact it would complicate things further, rather than make things easier for Solas, considering that the murals itself is still considerably higher than the couch itself and he'd still require a very tall ladder to reach and paint everything else other than very bottom of the picture.

 

Also - I find it hard to believe that the dragon was 'planned out already'. I makes no sense in terms of flow, the vast difference in terms of composition compared to other panels, and I'm pretty sure that most planning takes place AFTER events have already happene, otherwise its function of recording Inquisitor's deeds is kind of null and void.

 

It being in any way planned also ruins the notion of Solas wanting to tell something of his own actions/killing of Mythal/whatever it is claimed to depict other than simple, symbolic victory of good dragon vs bad dragon, because most of post-Mythal dialogue with Solas suggest that he has no solid plan and is uncertain of the future. I mean, even if he has rough backup plan, it would be weird to plan and paint that backup plan, OR even how the fight with Cory went (how can we be sure that Solas knew that Morrigan will come to attack Red Lyrium dragon in OGB world-state, or when she drank from the Well?)... 

 

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Well, the big question is whether SolaFen absorbing FleMythal's essence also means the geas was transferred with it. The fact that it was tied with such a major reveal gives me pause. I hope it does affect our relationship with SolaFen because no matter what it may be for any of your Inquisitors, the implications and possibilities involved seem like too grand a narrative opportunity to pass by.

 

At least that's what I tell myself before crying myself to sleep... :mellow:

 

There is also the possibility that I pointed out above, that Flemeth still exists somewhere with a shard of Mythal in her.  If you didn't kill her in Origins, she still shuffled her amulet off to someone else's care.  She may have stowed away other fragments of Mythal as well.

 

You could get a situation where the Inquisitor is bound to Solas, or where a surviving remnant of Mythal has opposing goals and interests to Solas.  Or, you could even have a nasty situation where the Inquisitor is bound to both Solas and to a surviving Mythal fragment, and unable to act at all due to conflicting orders.



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The drinking from the well is the whole reason I did that AFTER I finished Jaws of Hakkon and Descent, so now if my decision not to drink from the well was a stupid one, I'll just go back and do it over with minimum fuss. :)

Wise, this one xD


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I think he did it, in a hurry, to somehow give her something, to somehow own up to his actions, to somehow... end the story, or at least what he thinks is the end.
Either that or....

Enchantment?

 

Well for me it's a  rather clear and clever way of Bioware to scream in our face "OY! The story's not yer over, there's some stuff to wrap up! Wait for its resolution in a DLC!"

 

Nothing more.



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Well, didn't Renmir1 tell us early on, as in, right after the game's release, that there were files/code in the game pointing to a qunari-related DLC?  We are only now possibly getting that DLC.  Granted, it isn't officially confirmed yet, so it could have nothing to do with qunari.  However, it seems likely.

 

What I wonder is if they originally planned for any post-campaign DLC, or whether it was the demand to know what Solas was up to that led into the creation of post-campaign DLC.  Of course, that's assuming it's post-campaign.  Maybe it isn't.  There could be more Solas content included in a DLC that is not post-campaign, but we'd still be left with no resolution to his romance arc.

 

I guess what I'm getting at here is that while I'm sure we're getting some kind of DLC, probably singleplayer, I'm trying not to expect too much from it.  After all, it's DLC.  It's not an expansion and it certainly isn't a whole new game.  Furthermore this DLC will likely be the final one, from all apparent evidence.  It's going to be a long wait to DA4, and if the DLC is in fact set post-campaign... Well, I'm expecting a cliffhanger and lots more questions than answers.


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There is also the possibility that I pointed out above, that Flemeth still exists somewhere with a shard of Mythal in her.  If you didn't kill her in Origins, she still shuffled her amulet off to someone else's care.  She may have stowed away other fragments of Mythal as well.

 

You could get a situation where the Inquisitor is bound to Solas, or where a surviving remnant of Mythal has opposing goals and interests to Solas.  Or, you could even have a nasty situation where the Inquisitor is bound to both Solas and to a surviving Mythal fragment, and unable to act at all due to conflicting orders.

 

My brain's in comedy mood it seems - I can't help but to imagine another hilarious scenario, where Solas and FleMythal fight for dominance over Inky in most comical of fashions.

 

Solas: "Turn left!"
Mythal: "No, right!"

Solas: "Left!"
Mythal: "RIGHT!"

Quizzy: "Aaaargh, DECIDE ALREADY!"

 

(and with that, time for sleep^^; I hope Friday won't be as long as it appears  it would be.... Aaaargh, gimme Saturday evening already!)


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I always thought the last mural sketch was done almost with a "think it to win it" approach. It's him getting behind the quizzy, almost saying "we'll win and then I'll come back to finish this off". And if they lost? Well, what else more clearly spells horrible defeat than a mural left unfinished, it's victorious ending never realised? Still, if I were his lover or good friend, I'd think it so sad afterwards to walk past the walls detailing the victories you'd made together and to see it lingering unresolved.

I'm a bit late to the mural discussion.

I don't even remember the name of this kind of painting, but I remember learning about it in this thread. Evidently it's excruciatingly difficult and requires incredible skill, because once you start you don't get to come back after it dries. It has to be done in one go, and you don't do rough sketches of it before hand as it would show through the paint. The benefit is that it looks cool and it's a lot more durable than painting on a canvas or the like.

At least, that's what I recall from the much appreciated art lecture.  :lol:

I'm not really sure what was going on with that last one. It is possible, I guess, that he started it and left once he decided he needed to leave. Or he was painting it as the word of Corypheus starting up the final mission hit. *shrug* I'm curious who the other artist would be, though, if it wasn't Solas. It's also possible that Bioware just didn't do their research on the art style or something.  :ph34r:

EDIT: The last few pages of art discussion have been very entertaining and educational. I'm utterly bewildered, but I'm learning. I think.

I know the struggles of bouncing and painting at the same time now, at least?  ^_^


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Yeah, the way the OGB was too grand a narrative opportunity to pass by...  -_-

Yeah... I feel your pain droso, that one cut deep because it was ironically shallow. At least it did add to the lore... along with many more questions.


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