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[Caddius]

Midnight, for the Nike Samothrace connection, well, I guess it makes sense. Arlathan definitely has a Greek vibe going on, from Tevinter/Rome's absorbing their culture and religion, to the implied squabbling city-states, high culture and science/magic, and the tales of the Creators. They even have their own Ouranos (okay, somewhat) and Gaia. 

[FrankWisdom]

There is also the possibility that I pointed out above, that Flemeth still exists somewhere with a shard of Mythal in her.  If you didn't kill her in Origins, she still shuffled her amulet off to someone else's care.  She may have stowed away other fragments of Mythal as well.

 

You could get a situation where the Inquisitor is bound to Solas, or where a surviving remnant of Mythal has opposing goals and interests to Solas.  Or, you could even have a nasty situation where the Inquisitor is bound to both Solas and to a surviving Mythal fragment, and unable to act at all due to conflicting orders.

 

 

Well, remember that FleMythal gave herself willingly to SolaFen. Whatever their methods, she seems to trust that SolaFen is the best chance of restoring their people. Whether or not she is still alive somewhere else is another story. For all we know her "essence" might still be intact inside SolaFen, however unlikely. I'd love to have Morrigan embrace her role as Mythal's chosen however, which is why I always let her drink from the well, such irony... (ok, maybe not having the most powerful and influential figurehead in Thedas enslaved to an Ancient Elvhen "goddess" might slightly factor into my decision making, but you know, definitely not the reason )...

[Brass_Buckles]

Yeah... I feel your pain droso, that one cut deep because it was ironically shallow. At least it did add to the lore... along with many more questions.

 

The problem was that it had been optional.  Therefore, they couldn't make a huge deal of the existence or nonexistence of the OGB.

 

Originally I had a very "this is a bad idea" vibe from it, but he turns out to be a pretty nice kid, so... that's weird.  Why call it the "Dark Ritual" if nothing bad is going to happen from it?

 

They really should have made the OGB mandatory, then they could have done what they wanted with that plot.

 

As for DA:I, the major decisions I think we might see pan out in the upcoming DLC (if it is post-game):

• Who did you choose to rule Orlais?
• Who became Divine?
• Did you spare Abelas and the remaining Sentinels, or did you kill them?
• Did you drink from the Well or not?
• Did you do Wicked Eyes Wicked Hearts before or after Here Lies the Abyss?
• Did you exile the Wardens or did you conscript them?
• Did you ally the Qunari or did you have Iron Bull betray his people?

There may be other major decisions I can't think of offhand.

[Brass_Buckles]

Well, remember that FleMythal gave herself willingly to SolaFen. Whatever their methods, she seems to trust that SolaFen is the best chance of restoring their people. Whether or not she is still alive somewhere else is another story. For all we know her "essence" might still be intact inside SolaFen, however unlikely. I'd love to have Morrigan embrace her role as Mythal's chosen however, which is why I always let her drink from the well, such irony... (ok, maybe not having the most powerful and influential figurehead in Thedas enslaved to an Ancient Elvhen "goddess" might slightly factor into my decision making, but you know, definitely not the reason )...

 

It could be that having Morrigan drink from the Well backfires on us in the end.  I've already mentioned how it could be a bad plan for the Inquisitor to have done so.  However, BioWare could have wanted to mislead us into not taking that power for ourselves.  Who's to say that Morrigan would not act against our interests?  Or that she would not fall under the power of Fen'harel, who may or may not now also be Mythal?

[drosophila]

EDIT: The last few pages of art discussion have been very entertaining and educational. I'm utterly bewildered, but I'm learning. I think.

 

I feel the same, I learned a lot about art, a big thank you to all artists for arguing over this! This thread is such an enriching experience!

[Ulv Elskeren]

Anyway... speaking of artsy stuff again (since I'm in a mood), but this time different. I wonder how many people noticed what statue of Mythal is based on?

 

Answer is - one the most famous statue of all times: Nike of Samothrace

 

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I wonder if there's any significance in that? The signature Mythal statue being based on (arguably) the most renowned sculpture from ancient Greece?

 

The parallels between the Greek pantheon and the elvish Pantheon are pretty prominent, and it's definitely interesting that Mythal-as-Nike adds a "victory over the Titans" angle in terms of her support for Elgarnan-as-Zeus.  

 

Personally, I'm just trying to shake the feeling that there's a distinctly Prothean aesthetic to her intact head.      

[Sable Rhapsody]

I think it is going to matter.  I remember someone saying the devs had tweeted that some of your choices in DA:I would have a major impact later.  So I am hoping I made the "correct" choices to see my kind-hearted Inquisitor through.  I'd feel so bad if she tried to do the right thing, over and over, and it just backfired on her.

 

I dunno, I'm kind of hoping some of my quizzy's more idealist, naive actions bite her in the ass.

 

Here's the thing.  In both DA:O and DA2, my characters made some life choices that I, the player, knew weren't "correct" at the time.  Or did things with less-than-noble motivations.  And sometimes (not all the time), that bit them in the ass or at the very least resulted in a less-than-ideal worldstate.

 

And I liked that.  I liked their choices having unintended consequences.  But TBH, for all that Lavellan gets a lot of angst in the fandom, I feel like she got off the lightest by far of my three PCs, even with Solas in play.  She gave up the Well, and someone took that fall in her stead.  She spared a bunch of dangerous people with no negative consequences.  For being a "dark fantasy" setting, DA:I has been awfully consistent about repaying good with good, and bad with bad.

[Avejajed]

I had Morrigan do it because I was super afraid that if somehow the geas passed to Solas he would not be able to be with Lavellan because he would never be able to deal with feeling like she was only with him because of it. Anything he would suggest or do, and she would have no free will in the matter. It would just be awkward right?

[Cee]

I feel the same, I learned a lot about art, a big thank you to all artists for arguing over this! This thread is such an enriching experience!

 

Me too, even though I went for the trampoline dog gif,    it was actually enlightening. (And made me laugh).

[FrankWisdom]

It could be that having Morrigan drink from the Well backfires on us in the end.  I've already mentioned how it could be a bad plan for the Inquisitor to have done so.  However, BioWare could have wanted to mislead us into not taking that power for ourselves.  Who's to say that Morrigan would not act against our interests?  Or that she would not fall under the power of Fen'harel, who may or may not now also be Mythal?

Lol, don't worry I've considered all of those possibilities. I don't take them lightly, see I don't believe in black and white, there's only grey. What we perceive as the "right choice" might have far-reaching consequences because well, anything's possible. Things tend to have ripple effects, whether big or small and like an echo they tend to come back and bite us in the ass when we least expect them to. I'm quite aware that Fen'Harel could use the geas against us and that's exactly what drives my fear. If it's Between Morrigan and I being under his influence though honestly, I rather be the one in control in order to have the possibility of stopping him, in the off chance he does have power over us. I mean, where would the fun be in not having dire consequences for earth shattering decisions...

[Elessara]

I'm a bit late to the mural discussion.

I don't even remember the name of this kind of painting, but I remember learning about it in this thread. Evidently it's excruciatingly difficult and requires incredible skill, because once you start you don't get to come back after it dries. It has to be done in one go, and you don't do rough sketches of it before hand as it would show through the paint. The benefit is that it looks cool and it's a lot more durable than painting on a canvas or the like.

At least, that's what I recall from the much appreciated art lecture. 

I'm not really sure what was going on with that last one. It is possible, I guess, that he started it and left once he decided he needed to leave. Or he was painting it as the word of Corypheus starting up the final mission hit. *shrug* I'm curious who the other artist would be, though, if it wasn't Solas. It's also possible that Bioware just didn't do their research on the art style or something. 

EDIT: The last few pages of art discussion have been very entertaining and educational. I'm utterly bewildered, but I'm learning. I think.

I know the struggles of bouncing and painting at the same time now, at least? 

 

Jumping in a bit late ... it's a fresco.

 

And that's the extend of my art knowledge  =p

[drosophila]

I dunno, I'm kind of hoping some of my quizzy's more idealist, naive actions bite her in the ass.

 

Here's the thing.  In both DA:O and DA2, my characters made some life choices that I, the player, knew weren't "correct" at the time.  Or did things with less-than-noble motivations.  And sometimes (not all the time), that bit them in the ass or at the very least resulted in a less-than-ideal worldstate.

 

And I liked that. 

 

We think alike. Now you've made me wonder if it's a science thing...

[FrankWisdom]

The problem was that it had been optional.  Therefore, they couldn't make a huge deal of the existence or nonexistence of the OGB.

 

Originally I had a very "this is a bad idea" vibe from it, but he turns out to be a pretty nice kid, so... that's weird.  Why call it the "Dark Ritual" if nothing bad is going to happen from it?

 

They really should have made the OGB mandatory, then they could have done what they wanted with that plot.

 

As for DA:I, the major decisions I think we might see pan out in the upcoming DLC (if it is post-game):

• Who did you choose to rule Orlais?
• Who became Divine?
• Did you spare Abelas and the remaining Sentinels, or did you kill them?
• Did you drink from the Well or not?
• Did you do Wicked Eyes Wicked Hearts before or after Here Lies the Abyss?
• Did you exile the Wardens or did you conscript them?
• Did you ally the Qunari or did you have Iron Bull betray his people?

There may be other major decisions I can't think of offhand.

 

Yep I know, I wasn't expecting the OGB to be a huge part of inquisition given that fact, but I wasn't expecting it to be "resolved" in such a way either. That being said and as stated above, the lore dump was worth the oh... moment. As for the outcome itself. I wasn't really surprised by  Kieran's disposition as Urthemiel's soul was purified (though I wasn't expecting what we got... creepy.) I was rather worried about Morrigan's influence on him and that's why I follow her through the eluvian every time.

 

As for the rest of the major decisions I'd tend to agree, though the Abelas choice and the order in which we completed Wicked Eyes Wicked Hearts before or after Here Lies the Abyss I'm not so sure of.

 

I really do hope we see him again but I'm not sure whether killing him or not will have any impact in the long run. I hope I'm wrong because I see many repercussions or benefits they could apply. Anyways, I'm getting impatient for PAX so I better stop here

[Brass_Buckles]

I had Morrigan do it because I was super afraid that if somehow the geas passed to Solas he would not be able to be with Lavellan because he would never be able to deal with feeling like she was only with him because of it. Anything he would suggest or do, and she would have no free will in the matter. It would just be awkward right?

 

She would effectively be his slave, and also lack freedom of thought.  Both anathema to what Solas claims to stand for (and certainly against what I believe he truly does stand for).  While he might believe she would be with him without the geas, he would never know if she would truly have given her consent to any given action post-geas.  Thus, I expect he would treat her kindly, but the romance would most likely end.  Solas would, I think, prefer a partner who can actually give or deny consent--which is a good thing.  Encouraging a relationship under the geas would be very creepy of him in a way that goes beyond just "awkward."  Love spells, or a compulsion to love, are actually a supremely creepy concept.  And what happens when he one day decides he no longer loves the Inquisitor?

 

I had Morrigan drink from the Well because Cole and Solas both told me taking its power was a bad plan (Solas if romanced will tell you he BEGGED you not to take it).  But here's the thing:  There's knowledge to be had.  If you're an elf, that's knowledge you can share with your people.  It is also power.  Power to learn, power to grow, power to do things you never previously imagined doing.  Especially if you are a mage.  Maybe someday, an Inquisitor who took that power could, like Morrigan, take form as a dragon.

 

And what if Solas's reason for telling you, "Don't do that," if you happened to be his friend or lover, is not as simple as wanting you to stay free?  Note that he gloats that you did this if he doesn't like you.  Maybe he anticipates needing to use the one who drank the Well in some way, and likewise dreads having to use an Inquisitor he likes or loves and who drank the Well.  It would be horrifying and painful to need to use someone you loved like that.  Worse, if you knew you'd have to send them to their death.

[Cee]

We think alike. Now you've made me wonder if it's a science thing...

 

Well, coming from the side of massive feels, I can say I don't mind difficult situations and conflict, but having her decisions horribly bite my Lavellan in the ass would not be very satisfying.

 

Come to think of it, I do tend to frame my wishes for DLC in terms of how everyone feels in the end and the ways actions and stories could influence or support these options.

[CapricornSun]

Art break.

 

Message Sent fanart by deedylovescake.

Spoiler

Source: http://deedylovescak...-to-the-message

 

 

Solavellan for the kiss meme: Kiss on the nose.

Spoiler

Source: http://geeky-jez.tum...to-cheer-myself

 

 

 

Some gorgeous lighting on these Solavellan arts.

Spoiler

Source: http://cl0udb3rryart...-kissed-several

 

 

 

Nice Solas doodle.

Spoiler

Source: http://hallahart.tum.../127748463600/ツ

 

 

Dread Wolf.

Spoiler

Source: http://doriantrevely...mothers-knee-by

 

 

Dorian, Cullen, Cole and Solas cross stitch pattern.

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Source: http://vcook10.tumbl...st/127710067488

 

[Cee]

Cross stitch patterns! How adorable.

[Brass_Buckles]

Art break.

 

Message Sent fanart by deedylovescake.

Spoiler

Source: http://deedylovescak...-to-the-message

 

1. I wish Message Sent updated more often.
2. Cross-Stitch Solas looks like a bald version of Link from Legend of Zelda.

[ChuChu]

        

• Did you do Wicked Eyes Wicked Hearts before or after Here Lies the Abyss?

 

I remember something fresco related (rofl)... but were there many other differences if you do one first or the other?

I don't even remember the name of this kind of painting, but I remember learning about it in this thread. Evidently it's excruciatingly difficult and requires incredible skill, because once you start you don't get to come back after it dries. It has to be done in one go, and you don't do rough sketches of it before hand as it would show through the paint. The benefit is that it looks cool and it's a lot more durable than painting on a canvas or the like. At least, that's what I recall from the much appreciated art lecture.

 

As Elessara said -- fresco! Hahahaha. Fresco dyes the wall, basically. Fresco underpaintings are specifically done with a product called 'sinopia', which is basically a red ochre. Exactly as you see in the last panel, in fact! There ya go. Bioware did their duty.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Well, coming from the side of massive feels, I can say I don't mind difficult situations and conflict, but having her decisions horribly bite my Lavellan in the ass would not be very satisfying.

 

It's not just about decisions biting Lavellan in the ass.  Hmm...how to explain this?

 

Let's take the Orzammar decision.  When I played Amell, I had her pick Bhelen for the throne.  As the player, I knew Bhelen was a ruthless bastard.  I knew whatever he had in store for Harrowmont couldn't be good.  And I did it anyway.  My worldstate bears the consequences--good and bad--of Bhelen being king, even if they're relatively minor in-game.

 

That is what I want from the choices in DA:I, especially the Well.  Because choices shouldn't shake out as simply as "good" or "bad."  They're less interesting that way.  Ideally, they should be a mix of both, and which one is "correct" should be more of a matter of opinion.  Like Cole's personal quest; that's a great example of a choice with no correct answer, just two different character paths.

 

So in terms of Lavellan and the Well, I want to feel the weight of that decision and all its consequences, regardless of how they shake out.  IMO there should be upsides and downsides for either choice.

[CapricornSun]

Okay! Three more artworks to share. xD

 

Another Message Sent fanart. Solas receiving a text from Ellana. (Look at that little ID of his. xD)

Spoiler

Source: http://niklisson.tum...-sent-until-3am

 

 

Lavellan arguing(?) with Solas.

Spoiler

Source: http://harellanart.t...mic-i-dont-know

 

 

Modern AU: Biker Fen'Harel.

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Source: http://lillotte17.tu...dea-how-to-draw

 

[drosophila]

Okay! Three more artworks to share. xD

 

Another Message Sent fanart. Solas receiving a text from Ellana. (Look at that little ID of his. xD)

Spoiler

Source: http://niklisson.tum...-sent-until-3am

 

 

Lavellan arguing(?) with Solas.

Spoiler

Source: http://harellanart.t...mic-i-dont-know

 

 

Modern AU: Biker Fen'Harel.

Spoiler

Source: http://lillotte17.tu...dea-how-to-draw

 

 

Hot, hotter, OH DAMN 

[Renmiri1]

Well, didn't Renmir1 tell us early on, as in, right after the game's release, that there were files/code in the game pointing to a qunari-related DLC?  We are only now possibly getting that DLC.  Granted, it isn't officially confirmed yet, so it could have nothing to do with qunari.  However, it seems likely.

 

What I wonder is if they originally planned for any post-campaign DLC, or whether it was the demand to know what Solas was up to that led into the creation of post-campaign DLC.  Of course, that's assuming it's post-campaign.  Maybe it isn't.  There could be more Solas content included in a DLC that is not post-campaign, but we'd still be left with no resolution to his romance arc.

 

I guess what I'm getting at here is that while I'm sure we're getting some kind of DLC, probably singleplayer, I'm trying not to expect too much from it.  After all, it's DLC.  It's not an expansion and it certainly isn't a whole new game.  Furthermore this DLC will likely be the final one, from all apparent evidence.  It's going to be a long wait to DA4, and if the DLC is in fact set post-campaign... Well, I'm expecting a cliffhanger and lots more questions than answers.

I did

 

It's on the da3 dlc folder too

[Renmiri1]

Does anyone know why captain caranis changed his name ?

 

(I asked solas-an is captain caranis)

 

http://solas-an.tumb...st/127745582590

 

[Cee]

After deleting and pulling the blog a few times, captaincaranis was getting some hate/claimed to have received some terrible messages, so maybe it had something to do with that.

 

 

 

Now that we had art talk, this is my writing process right now. I am trying to write my Lavellan having a dream that starts okay but grows into something more...ominous. This is set somewhere in the back half of Inquisition and I do want to involve Solas, so it will require two perspectives, the dreaming and the watching later.

 

I have the idea. I have the theme. I know where I want to take this and events and even many details.

 

I keep writing scraps of fragments that don't quite go where I want them to.