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Uirebhiril

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I keep writing scraps of fragments that don't quite go where I want them to. <_<

 

Write them all out anyway. You can go back and piece them together after, and might find it easier to find the "in between." It's kind of a dirty way to do a working outline, but whatever works. :P


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I did

 

It's on the da3 dlc folder too

 

It's like I cast a summoning spell!


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My spidery senses were tingling :)



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Write them all out anyway. You can go back and piece them together after, and might find it easier to find the "in between." It's kind of a dirty way to do a working outline, but whatever works. :P

 

This is generally what I do. I'm also no stranger to writing sections with [WORDS] or [DIALOGUE] as placeholders in between so I can get what I am able to write done first.

 

But it's a familiar process, knowing what you want to do and then it doesn't quite come together for a while. But also the sense that it will. I was having a discussion with a visual artist friend over on Facebook a short time ago about that nagging feeling where you can see the seams even when others enjoy your work but believing in your ability even with that nagging voice is really the key. And it is.

 

Sometimes I'm in love with my paragraphs and sometimes I have a bunch of unrefined scraps. :lol:


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This is generally what I do. I'm also no stranger to writing sections with [WORDS] or [DIALOGUE] as placeholders in between so I can get what I am able to write done first.

 

But it's a familiar process, knowing what you want to do and then it doesn't quite come together for a while. But also the sense that it will. I was having a discussion with a visual artist friend over on Facebook a short time ago about that nagging feeling where you can see the seams even when others enjoy your work but believing in your ability even with that nagging voice is really the key. And it is.

 

Sometimes I'm in love with my paragraphs and sometimes I have a bunch of unrefined scraps. :lol:

I do the same thing.  :lol: And I'm terrible at naming things, so currently my notes read something like

ME: "The political plot here involves 'Poland' trying to secure an alliance with 'Hungary', to fend off the advances of the 'Byzantines'."

ALPHA READER: "But...but those countries are nothing like-"

ME: "Fake Poland's flag has red on it too."

ALPHA READER: ...All right. And the other countries?"

ME: "Er...Both Hungaries are to the north. And maybe they're sick of puns about their countries' names?  :huh: "

ALPHA READER: "Riiiiight."

 

But usually if I hash out the scenes that interest me, I get a feel for the flow of a chapter and can come up with interesting scenes between the stand-out ones. It just looks real messy for awhile.


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#111556
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  • Did you do Wicked Eyes Wicked Hearts before or after Here Lies the Abyss?

 

I'm curious as to why you think this would matter, specifically? :)



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Chapter 11 of Doughnut Rebel is up! :D


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I remember something fresco related (rofl)... but were there many other differences if you do one first or the other?

 

I'm curious as to why you think this would matter, specifically? :)

 

I wrote a post about it: https://www.reddit.c...las_fresco_you/ .


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This is generally what I do. I'm also no stranger to writing sections with [WORDS] or [DIALOGUE] as placeholders in between so I can get what I am able to write done first.

 

But it's a familiar process, knowing what you want to do and then it doesn't quite come together for a while. But also the sense that it will. I was having a discussion with a visual artist friend over on Facebook a short time ago about that nagging feeling where you can see the seams even when others enjoy your work but believing in your ability even with that nagging voice is really the key. And it is.

 

Sometimes I'm in love with my paragraphs and sometimes I have a bunch of unrefined scraps. :lol:

 

I do the same thing.  :lol: And I'm terrible at naming things, so currently my notes read something like

ME: "The political plot here involves 'Poland' trying to secure an alliance with 'Hungary', to fend off the advances of the 'Byzantines'."

ALPHA READER: "But...but those countries are nothing like-"

ME: "Fake Poland's flag has red on it too."

ALPHA READER: ...All right. And the other countries?"

ME: "Er...Both Hungaries are to the north. And maybe they're sick of puns about their countries' names?  :huh: "

ALPHA READER: "Riiiiight."

 

But usually if I hash out the scenes that interest me, I get a feel for the flow of a chapter and can come up with interesting scenes between the stand-out ones. It just looks real messy for awhile.

 

I do it this way too! I usually work on 3-4 chapters at the same time, because I come up with several pieces of the story with huge gaps in between, and write down the pieces I am certain about at soon as I think of them. Then I slowly fill in the gaps. I think it makes sense as a creative process, because it adds unity to the entire work. Didn't the visual artists say something similar earlier, that you're supposed to work on the painting/drawing as a whole and not spend all your time on individual parts?

 

Also, to me the story always emerges as a dialogue first. I have a thing for dialogue, it takes up most of my writing, and it somehow takes me less editing to end up with something I'm content with. So lately I've just been writing the "skeleton" of a chapter as if it is a play, with everyone's lines. Then I fill in all the "he said", "she laughed", "everything exploded", etc. 

 

Now, one downside of this is that if I get stuck on one little piece of the puzzle, I won't consider the entire chunk of 3 chapters completed, so it's really hard for me to actually finish anything. I have a Google Drive fodler called "Loose fanfiction bits", which is filled with chapters that I worked on and eventually paused. Some of them are trash but for some I'm just missing a few things that I can't figure out how to write.

 

Right now I think I almost have down the first 3 chapters of my fic, but I can't be truly done, because I'm stuck on... the description of a room. Seriously, at some point I need to describe Lavellan's quarters at the Temple of Mythal and I can't come up with anything. (She even mentions at one point that she hardly spends any time there, so I guess she truly doesn't care, lol.) It's very frustrating, and I've been struggling with it for several days. If anyone has any advice on how to generate passable room descriptions, I'd be so thankful! Stupid Temple of Mythal bedroom is stupid.  :(


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-snip-

 

In any case - I hope you don't find my comment as confrontational or dismissive or anything of the sort. I quite enjoy the discussion, especially that it contains 'artsy' stuff:
I don't mind talking about art, it is enjoyable and a decent break from the more texty forms of theory crafting. So long as the people I'm talking with aren't closed minded on the subject, then I'm willing to converse. ;)

I don't want to write a wall of text and I feel the point is lost in too many words. At least for me, it is. So I'll be succinct if I can!

The dragon/mural was planned out already:
If Solas did the mural right before heading out to fight Cory, I wouldn't put it past him to rough it in to try to psych himself up (or the rest up) for victory. It does look as if he was interrupted -- call to battle, as someone suggested? Either way you spin it, Mythal is the backup power you're using and he'd have this information before the battle to use symbolically if he so chose. So yes, it is entirely possible he did the painting beforehand. Basically: "Mythal's iconology is a dragon, you say? We have to kill Cory's dragon, you say? Dragon fight on the wall and we're gonna win, now!" Boom. Done.

Picture composition and working on the whole equally:
Generally I agree with you. It's wise to look at the whole rather than a fraction. What I said initially was: "I mean his actual process of mark making (one could argue you're supposed to do the whole picture equally, but artists rarely do that)." I meant that  once you have the idea, artists tend to establish their focal point first. And this is what he was doing with the whole dragon/sword thing. I'm sure that once he had the forms all laid out he would work as a whole, but to actually make the marks on paper that define your point of interest? That is almost always first (unless it's something with super complex layout, obviously... but this is pretty simple!).

Point being, I think he would have managed to carry it compositionally if he had more time to do the rest. He was just getting the important bits out first. And since it looks like it was done with something like sinopia, I think we can safely say this was only a rough, after all -- it wasn't like he was painting it yet. Things can change!

I took the liberty of quickly painting in the blank space. Although it's not finished and it could use with some tweaking to continue the flow of the whole image, I think it gives at least an idea of a more finished fresco. And compositionally, while it doesn't line up all the angles exactly, it's not necessarily terrible. Add in the fact that it would be insulting to lay hand on another artist's work when he's not even dead (in the short span of a month, no less!), I highly doubt anybody else drew this. Plus if someone else was "hired" to do it, they'd have finished it! So I stand by my theory that Solas was the artist. The only question is if it was pre or post ending. ;P

And having looked at this, I believe any rigidity in the final panel can be forgiven as it 'breaks' the flow, hence ending the story.

Edit: " Add in the fact that it would be insulting to lay hand on another artist's work when he's not even dead" -- and look what I do, rofl. I AM SORRY SOLAS.
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Chapter 11 of Doughnut Rebel is up! :D

 

These two are the most adorkable couple ever! I'm excited for the arrival of the new characters and the Deep Mushroom flavor!


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These two are the most adorkable couple ever! I'm excited for the arrival of the new characters and the Deep Mushroom flavor!

 

Indeed! This fic is so adorkably fluffy! <3 I sometimes wish we were able to give more than one kudos per fic. :P


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Indeed! This fic is so adorkably fluffy! <3 I sometimes wish we were able to give more than one kudos per fic. :P

 

Well, you could always log out to kudo it as a guest.  :ph34r:


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Well, you could always log out to kudo it as a guest.  :ph34r:

 

I do kudo fics as a guest accidentally when I forget to log in sometimes. ^__^;


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Well, you could always log out to kudo it as a guest.  :ph34r:

 

I do kudo fics as a guest accidentally when I forget to log in sometimes. ^__^;

CHEATERS.

YOU'RE BASICALLY TWO TIMING WITH YOURSELF.
 


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CHEATERS.

 

If they write well enough to make me cheat, yes.

 

 

YOU'RE BASICALLY TWO TIMING WITH YOURSELF.

 

I don't understand. 


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If they write well enough to make me cheat, yes.

 

I don't understand. 

Cause like. You 'liked' it right? So then you put on a disguise and 'liked' it again. So it's like. You know. Two yous. Both kudos'ing the same fic. Messy seconds?? Leave me and my logic alone I'm tired, rofl. It makes sense to me ok?!?!


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The gold was a nice touch since it really does capture the bits of shine when it catches the light. I still kind of want to make a very small one of these in clay and put it on tiny cord for a subtle necklace.
 

I have considered do it and selling them. But it would mean making a silicon mold to make many instead of making a bunch out of clay. I can try to make a smaller one maybe. Though it probably wouldn't be as toothy lol.



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Cause like. You 'liked' it right? So then you put on a disguise and 'liked' it again. So it's like. You know. Two yous. Both kudos'ing the same fic. Messy seconds?? Leave me and my logic alone I'm tired, rofl. It makes sense to me ok?!?!

 

Kinky... I like it!

 

You ma'am have figured out my devious plot. Only it's not really mine. It's all a test I have to pass to get into this underground crime syndicate. First they made me troll the most well-behaved thread in a forum and I passed with flying colors. Then there is the second challenge, cheat the kudo system on AO3. When I have generated enough kudo perversion, they'll put me on some small jobs, some harassment here and there, bribes, small deals, bread-and-butter stuff. Next come the big jobs, roberies, major deals, raids on the rival families. And one day... One day I will be the biggest crime overlord this world has ever seen.  :devil: I will go down in glory as my General betrays me with a bullet in the back. My last words will be, "You warned me, ChuChu! I could've gone down a bettter path...But I... just... didn't... listen..."

 

;)

 

Edit: Ugh, don't mind me. I had to pull an all-nighter. 


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Art post time! :D

 

More Solavellan for the kiss meme: Forehead kiss and Kiss along the hips  ^_^

 

"I dare you." Oooh! <3

 

Another Solavellan drawn for the "Draw Your OTP" meme. xD

 

Solavellan sketches. Some slightly NSFW.

 

 

And these are not Solas but have some Cole. (Not sure if these were shared before but oh well.)

 

Adorable artworks of Cole.

 

And a funny comic. Innocent/Accidental Cole sass. (Starring Dorian.) :lol:


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And a funny comic. Innocent/Accidental Cole sass. (Starring Dorian.) :lol:

Yes, good. I love when people throw sass back at Dorian lol.


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Kinky... I like it!

 

You ma'am have figured out my devious plot. Only it's not really mine. It's all a test I have to pass to get into this underground crime syndicate. First they made me troll the most well-behaved thread in a forum and I passed with flying colors. Then there is the second challenge, cheat the kudo system on AO3. When I have generated enough kudo perversion, they'll put me on some small jobs, some harassment here and there, bribes, small deals, bread-and-butter stuff. Next come the big jobs, roberies, major deals, raids on the rival families. And one day... One day I will be the biggest crime overlord this world has ever seen.  :devil: I will go down in glory as my General betrays me with a bullet in the back. My last words will be, "You warned me, ChuChu! I could've gone down a bettter path...But I... just... didn't... listen..."

 

;)

 

Edit: Ugh, don't mind me. I had to pull an all-nighter. 

Now I want some warm bread and butter... mmm. Carbs. That's a good thing to eat late at night, right?  :ph34r: 

 



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Now I want some warm bread and butter... mmm. Carbs. That's a good thing to eat late at night, right?  :ph34r: 

 

Have a frilly cake! Or a donut, if you like. 


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Cause like. You 'liked' it right? So then you put on a disguise and 'liked' it again. So it's like. You know. Two yous. Both kudos'ing the same fic. Messy seconds?? Leave me and my logic alone I'm tired, rofl. It makes sense to me ok?!?!


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#111575
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I like the possibility that the one who drank from the well is bound to Solas. It makes the romance more complicated but still possible. Even though Solas doesn't like it that you drink from the well, I see it that he doesn't like it because you become bound to Mythal and Mythal can control you. Solas values freedom so his reaction makes sense in that situation. However he later on he kills Mythal because he doesn't have a choice and gets all those who are bound to Mythal to himself including romanced Lavellan. I don't think that would prevent the romance from continuing because even though he has the power to control Lavellan it doesn't mean that he will use it. Of course it could be that he needs you and if you drank from the well then he can control you and make you do things you don't want to but if he needs you and you didn't drink from the well then he might ask you to do things but if you refuse you might have to fight him. Anyway if he needs you and you refuse to help him then there is probably some severe consequences but if you agree to him then everything is probably well.