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[midnight tea]

I wonder if this is a bug? Because in the Keep if you don't pick "helped Solas free his friend" it won't let you pick "was friends with Solas". Or does it?

 

It does allow you to still befriend Solas, at least in my keep (tested it a few moments ago) - however, it IS a quest that is tracked by the keep... just like in case of others (and especially Bull's personal quest), I assume that decisions in companion personal quests WILL have their consequences sometime later (... well, at least I hope they would).

[Sable Rhapsody]

Still a WIP but a Star Wars-DAI crossover! I bet this'll look amazing when finished.

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Two of my great loves in life
 

lol yeah and since some of the dialogue is recycled, he sounds like he's flirting with all of them sometimes.

I chalk up the recycled dialogue effect to social awkwardness on Solas's part; I did the same for Liara since her dialogue is often shared between friendship and romance. Obviously I would prefer the dialogue not to overlap like that, but I think it makes sense for certain characters. Solas clearly doesn't have much in the way of non-spirit friends, so I think he'd be a little intense about it even if it's platonic.

That said, I'd only seen his scenes through the Solavellan romance. So when I got the Fade dream with Man Adaar, Adaar was all like, "Solas, we're bros, but we need to have a chat about frigging social boundaries." 

[Sable Rhapsody]

It does allow you to still befriend Solas, at least in my keep (tested it a few moments ago) - however, it IS a quest that is tracked by the keep... just like in case of others (and especially Bull's personal quest), I assume that decisions in companion personal quests WILL have their consequences sometime later (... well, at least I hope they would).

 

In-game, it depends on the dialogue options you pick after.  If you're an unapologetic ass, it kills the romance and (I think) stops his friendship too.  If you're regretful and/or sympathetic, he comes around, though I'm not sure if you can romance him.

[drosophila]

In-game, it depends on the dialogue options you pick after.  If you're an unapologetic ass, it kills the romance and (I think) stops his friendship too.  If you're regretful and/or sympathetic, he comes around, though I'm not sure if you can romance him.

 

I think it does lock you out of the romance, but my husband was as mean as he could, since he was actually trying to unlock the Solas disapproval scene on purpose, and it didn't matter for friendship. 

 

 

Did you also kill the temple guardians? That's a major one too. 

 

No, Abelas is too awesome to die.

[Uirebhiril]

One thing I have to say regarding the romance though, is again on Tumblr, you get a lot of hate for him from females who romanced him, but I feel that it's not completely justified. He tells you over and over it would not work out and you get the choice to play on his weakness (feelings for you) and make him fall for you. He has no choice but to end it and he never went past kissing you, yet Blackwall is forgiven for leaving you naked in the stables after sex and plans to die without telling you. I never really understood how Solas could be worse.

 

Like everything, that's just one interpretation. Some Lavellans might have played on Solas' feelings, but others were just as head over heels for one reason or another. Suggesting that every Lavellan "made" Solas fall for them is probably the sort of thing that can start a lot of grumbling in regards to personal headcanon. Likewise, it's up to the player if Solas and Lavellan went further than kissing, per Patrick Weekes. But at least he didn't leave you alone and naked in a barn, so there's that much going for him.

 

We'll ignore the part about a date in a wyvern pit.

 

It goes right back to how much I love the flexibility of the Solas romance. As far as my Lavellan was concerned, she wanted Solas as much as he wanted her, but she wasn't a fool. She knew how things would probably shake out, but finding a port in the storm they were facing was worth the potential end. Which is why she was hurt, but accepting when he broke it off. And anyone could tell that he wasn't exactly pleased by leaving, so while there's a lot of confusion to go around the anger is minimal.

 

But if someone wants to be angry at the cad for dumping them and running off with what's probably the Inquisition's best mage gear and can't wait to slap the ever loving **** out of him, I bid them well and cheer them on. It's their game.

[midnight tea]

Hahaha, yeah. The thing is, it's all a game mechanic (sorry folks, he's not real) so there'll be ways to gimp the system. At least it's a better way than DAO, where the following would happen:

 

Solas: Inquisitor, you are a terrible person! You have conscripted the Mages, making you no better than Tevinter. You express disgust and suspicion at anything you do not comprehend while never taking to time to learn of it. You grasp at any power available regardless of the consequences to those under your care. Never, in my darkest of dreams, could I have imagined a more deceitful, power-hungry...

 

Inquisitor: *holds up a shiny book on the Fade in one hand and a cupcake in the other*

 

Solas: ...is that an ancient text on the Fade and a double chocolate chunk cupcake?

 

Inquisitor: It's got a salted caramel center too...the cupcake that is. The books just full of words.

 

Solas: Vhenan! I love you! You are wonder. Keep bringing the cakes while I go sketch a giant heart on the walls with out initials in it!

 

Hahaha, yeah, at some point it just becomes an elaborate game with the approval system I do it myself - that way I manage to raise, say, Vivienne's or Sera's approval, even though, for example, my mage elf allied with mages immediately gains a number of negative points from them early in the game.

 

Still, I enjoy that there's some flexibility - I'm not forced to pick major decision based on selected companion approval (especially that all of them have their own preferences and thins they like/dislike, while I play usually to befriend them all), but it still makes me play the game in a smart way, which kinda makes me feel like an actual diplomat: score quite a large chunk of negative approval by major decision here, but still make it up in some way there, by doing things that the character reacts positively. It still counts as doing something they like, which may not gain their ultimate friendship, but it still feels Inquisitor at least gains their respect for being, say, competent, or hard-working, or a skilled politician.

[Moirin]

In-game, it depends on the dialogue options you pick after.  If you're an unapologetic ass, it kills the romance and (I think) stops his friendship too.  If you're regretful and/or sympathetic, he comes around, though I'm not sure if you can romance him.

 

The Keep says you can.

I just tried it, if I kill Solas' friend, still in a romance, if I never did the quest, then it takes to romance tile away.

[Uirebhiril]

That's the only thing that bothers me. The recycled dialogue option to pursue the romance is your choice not his, and I feel we could have had a third option in which he approaches us when he's ready, like Alistair did. Then I would find it more flexible for each perspective.

 

He did. "I have not forgotten the kiss" was his toe in the water, after Lavellan had told him to take all the time he needs. He loses his nerve and turns away, but Lavellan didn't chase after him and beg or wander through the rotunda clad in only her vallaslin. A quiet "don't go" was all it took for him to decide that yes, he does want this for himself and damn what comes.

 

I do agree that more options for dialogue would have added to the flexibility, but I guess they could only do so much with it being a quickly added romance. I'm still glad they went through with it, either way.

[midnight tea]

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[Sable Rhapsody]

That's the only thing that bothers me. The recycled dialogue option to pursue the romance is your choice not his, and I feel we could have had a third option in which he approaches us when he's ready, like Alistair did. Then I would find it more flexible for each perspective.

 

All things considered, I'm just glad we even got him.  Not ever dev team would have been willing to slide in a new content path when they had already bitten off more than they could chew.

 

Though if Solas hadn't been an option, my canon Lavellan probably would've romanced Josie.  And it would have been the most disgustingly cute, fluffy, Disney Princess romance to ever princess

[Uirebhiril]

Is that a fallen Fen'Harel statue?

[drosophila]

Hahaha, yeah, at some point it just becomes an elaborate game with the approval system I do it myself - that way I manage to raise, say, Vivienne's or Sera's approval, even though, for example, my mage elf allied with mages immediately gains a number of negative points from them early in the game.

 

Still, I enjoy that there's some flexibility - I'm not forced to pick major decision based on selected companion approval (especially that all of them have their own preferences and thins they like/dislike, while I play usually to befriend them all), but it still makes me play the game in a smart way, which kinda makes me feel like an actual diplomat: score quite a large chunk of negative approval by major decision here, but still make it up in some way there, by doing things that the character reacts positively. It still counts as doing something they like, which may not gain their ultimate friendship, but it still feels Inquisitor at least gains their respect for being, say, competent, or hard-working, or a skilled politician.

 

There's definietly mechanics to it, but I think it's well-done mechanics. It just goes to show the companions tend to be reasonable people who wouldn't despise you based on your political views alone, or might think you're an annoying jerk but see the bigger picture in what you try to do for the world. 

[Ajna]

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Haha, I was just in the process of posting this!

 

So much flailing right now!

[drosophila]

All things considered, I'm just glad we even got him.  Not ever dev team would have been willing to slide in a new content path when they had already bitten off more than they could chew.

 

Though if Solas hadn't been an option, my canon Lavellan probably would've romanced Josie.  And it would have been the most disgustingly cute, fluffy, Disney Princess romance to ever princess

 

Yes, JOSIE ALL THE WAY! She's an adorable, charming, elegant swan princess of awesome 

[midnight tea]

Is that a fallen Fen'Harel statue?

 

The howling one - yes, it appears so.

 

OMG, IT'S HAPPENING! I want an eluvian that transports me right to Saturday!!!

[The Oracle]

He kinda does approach it on his own, in terms of dialogue. On the balcony, your Inquisitor asks "What does that mean?" or something similar and then he says "It means I have not forgotten our kiss.", pretty much bringing their flirtation to the fore. However, it seems that Bioware has decided to go with the option of the PC always initiating romances with an obvious heart icon, rather than have the NPC's sometimes coming onto you. I imagine this is due to people getting weirded out when their being nice and then suddenly getting hit on. Which I personally think is bizarre, as it's something that can happen in RL too, but heyho, whatever causes least headache for the most gain.

 

*Edit: Ooops, was beaten to the point above. Should probably not eat cheesy-toast while typing at the same time. It gets you a greasy keyboard as well as behind on the discussion.*

[Sable Rhapsody]

Yes, JOSIE ALL THE WAY! She's an adorable, charming, elegant swan princess of awesome 

 

I KNOW RIGHT.  My Lavellan even draws some character inspiration from Disney princesses.

 

So really, the Solas romance did me a disservice.  Instead of Team Swan Princess of Awesome, I got the grumpy bald elf who dumped me in a swamp 

 

(I kid of course)

[Cee]

 But if someone wants to be angry at the cad for dumping them and running off with what's probably the Inquisition's best mage gear and can't wait to slap the ever loving **** out of him, I bid them well and cheer them on. It's their game.

 

I see mine as a mix of hurt, confused, a little angry, but also worried. Some of these are from the dialogue cues chosen, and some of it is headcanon. Mine wasn't prepared, she wasn't naive or very young, but she felt hopeful and thought that after all this Corypheus business was over, that there would be something there, that she could share her knowledge, even return to her people sometimes, and she didn't think she would be alone. So then he left her and while the sort of fresh start she saw possible is still an option, Solas is gone and she can't count on that part of it anymore.

 

Until we have actual, official closure on this story, there is enough flexibility for all this. And it is great.

[lynroy]

Is that a fallen Fen'Harel statue?

That's what it looks like to me.

[Moirin]

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Oh no! Now I'm excited.

[Cee]

That's the only thing that bothers me. The recycled dialogue option to pursue the romance is your choice not his, and I feel we could have had a third option in which he approaches us when he's ready, like Alistair did. Then I would find it more flexible for each perspective.

 

But a big part is he isn't "ready". He pulls back because he thinks this is a capital B BAD IDEA, but wants, oh he wants, and he does approach you when he's ready....on the balcony. But then he realizes wait, wait, maybe I shouldn't....

[CapricornSun]

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[drosophila]

I KNOW RIGHT.  My Lavellan even draws some character inspiration from Disney princesses.

 

So really, the Solas romance did me a disservice.  Instead of Team Swan Princess of Awesome, I got the grumpy bald elf who dumped me in a swamp 

 

(I kid of course)

 

Can't like this because I'm out of likes. 

 

My canon Lavellan's not quite right for the Swan Princess, though. Too much corrupting influence (Buuut I do have Solas/Lavellan/Josephine smut that I plan to finish some day. And in my headcanon it totally happened   ).

 

Instead I paired Josie with my female human Andrastian Warrior, who is modelled after Saber from Fate Zero. Her relationship with Josie is exactly like Saber with Irisviel... a knight in shining armor!

 

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