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[Jewlie Ghoulie]

I'm curious! Since I'm playing a warrior Dalish now to hopefully romance Solas, I was wondering do any of you Solas fans have a preferred class to romance him with? Is there a reason besides your own personal preference for the class?

[Reznore57]

I mostly play on Hard , I wished I've done a nightmare playthrough but I'm done with the game and I always stops at In you Heart Shall Burn now when I feel motivated...

But anyway even on nightmare I didn't find it too difficult (well except that damn area in the hinterland where you ends up with 3 huge bears and some sneaky rogues suddenly all running after you and one shooting everyone... )

 

I played an archer with stealth on hard , I crafted , updated my healing potions ...and well I never had to bother with companions , just revive them .

 

I just redid the ending with Cory fight to get me in the mood for the DLC , and it was sad ...Cory went "Tevinter wil..." and I nuked him , I also nuked the dragon in maybe 10 scd...on hard.Mark of Death FTW.

[Sifr]

You shouldn't waste your skill points on leaping shot in my opinion... evade is wayy more practical, not only does it costa measly 20 stamina but it also only takes 2 seconds to cooldown and when upgraded does 300% weapon damage + it's great for traveling... I use it exclusively when building my rogues. I totally agree about fade step too, same deal, can't have a mage without it. Anyways for a Solas thread I feel we've gone wayyyy off topic, no?

 

I thought the 200% damage on the evade was bugged, unless it's been fixed since?

 

But yeah, we've got a little off-topic... unless we add the caveat that Fade Step is great except when our resident mages either don't use it, use it at the wrong time, or use it to fly off a ledge and die! Maybe our resident Tyra Banks and Errol Flynn might not have much combat experience, but Solas is thousands of years old, he should really be better at fighting than this!

 

[Reznore57]

I was wondering about something ...well actually a number of things as usual.

I wonder what would happen if Mythal and Fen Harel cross path again.

Obviously he was sorry about the whole "murder" thing but I'm thinking Mythal may ...well I don't know , I felt she was sorry about their friendship ending.I mean would you call someone who killed you a friend?

Will she take revenge upon him later if possible?

 

Second thing I wonder is...will we see Morrigan in the DLC?

Because the whole Fen Harel thing is unresolved for the Inquisitor , but if a wisp of Mythal survived...well it's also a plot still hanging thre.

I supposed it would be too much for a DLC though.

[Arvaarad]

I assumed the sky-blob was the scar. It's probably there to indicate that the screenshot is post-game.

The eluvians are a pretty strong hint, but if that's the scar, it further suggests that the DLC can deal with Important Business without breaking continuity. Like Qunari invasions or (obviously) Wolf Hunt.

[Sifr]

I assumed the sky-blob was the scar. It's probably there to indicate that the screenshot is post-game.

The eluvians are a pretty strong hint, but if that's the scar, it further suggests that the DLC can deal with Important Business without breaking continuity. Like Qunari invasions or (obviously) Wolf Hunt.

 

Nice catch! It being the scar left over from the Breach would make sense since it appears in the direction of the mountains.

 

Yeah, I hope it's post game as well because it's been really hard trying to work out when everything is supposed to take place in the continuity of the actual game, such as JOH and TD, because the main quest does sort of weave into itself and not leave much room where you could put something else that could have happened during that time?

 

And if it's post-game, we can finally answer two burning questions; Where is Solas? And what do we do now we're not saving the world?

[FrankWisdom]

I was wondering about something ...well actually a number of things as usual.

I wonder what would happen if Mythal and Fen Harel cross path again.

Obviously he was sorry about the whole "murder" thing but I'm thinking Mythal may ...well I don't know , I felt she was sorry about their friendship ending.I mean would you call someone who killed you a friend?

Will she take revenge upon him later if possible?

 

Second thing I wonder is...will we see Morrigan in the DLC?

Because the whole Fen Harel thing is unresolved for the Inquisitor , but if a wisp of Mythal survived...well it's also a plot still hanging thre.

I supposed it would be too much for a DLC though.

 

I don't see it as Fen'Harel killing Mythal though, it's rather Mythal sacrificing herself for her people, The great protector and All-Mother. She had great respect and love for Fen'Harel, demonstrated by their embrace when he absorbed her essence. SolaFen even said he should be paying the price for his failure (giving the orb to Corypheus only to see what his pride had wrought). The fact that Mythal acknowledges his conviction and his plight show that they are both in agreeance that he is better suited to bare that burden (saving their people). I'm guessing this ties in to his "master plan". I do hope we see her again in some capacity, maybe a horcrux type deal like you're suggesting... Whatever the case, I'm sure we'll get resolution somehow. This DLC announcement bodes well though, so I'm keeping an open mind here without getting my hopes up.

[Cee]

Nice catch! It being the scar left over from the Breach would make sense since it appears in the direction of the mountains.

 

Yeah, I hope it's post game as well because it's been really hard trying to work out when everything is supposed to take place in the continuity of the actual game, such as JOH and TD, because the main quest does sort of weave into itself and not leave much room where you could put something else that could have happened during that time?

 

And if it's post-game, we can finally answer two burning questions; Where is Solas? And what do we do now we're not saving the world?

 

Those DLCs are flexible but I think both make more sense, realistically, after dealing with Corypheus and fixing all those holes in the sky. The threat just looms so large and there's a sense of that battle against time there. But you'll get dialogue and such referring to when you choose to do it. Got a line about Corypheus in The Descent last night since I'm playing on a pre-end save. I've played both on the pre-end save. Once we have more details on post-game DLC, then eventually I'll generate a new post-game save and watch Solas leave again....and not in my best mage gear this time.

[FrankWisdom]

I thought Abelas said she wasn't killed by Fen'Harel? She was murdered but he was not involved in it. From the ending of the game, my impression was they were working together, but she looked like she was going to do something and he countered it. We know she's out for revenge, but her sympathy to Flemeth because of what a man did to her makes me wonder if she was murdered by a lover.

No I was only talking about the end game scene when talking about her sacrificing herself. She wasn't killed by Fen according to Abelas. I was guessing Elgar'nan killed her because she either fell in love with Fen and helped him with the rebellion or simply because she helped him with the rebellion.

 

The end scene either indicates a fraternal relationship or old flame relationship. I'm only leaning on old flame because his Dread wolf tarot card has a moon depicted on it, Mythal's representation. It also makes sense thematically (a wolf howling for the moon). Lastly if one of the gods from the pantheon would go as far as murder another, I'd guess it was more than just general betrayal, like Mythal joining the rebellion. I think it was personal and Elgar'nan is the god of vengeance. Anyways just my thoughts on the whole thing...

[midnight tea]

No I was only talking about the end game scene when talking about her sacrificing herself. She wasn't killed by Fen according to Abelas. I was guessing Elgar'nan killed her because she either fell in love with Fen and helped him with the rebellion or simply because she helped him with the rebellion.

 

The end scene either indicates a fraternal relationship or old flame relationship. I'm only leaning on old flame because his Dread wolf tarot card has a moon depicted on it, Mythal's representation. It also makes sense thematically (a wolf howling for the moon). Lastly if one of the gods from the pantheon would go as far as murder another, I'd guess it was more than just general betrayal, like Mythal joining the rebellion. I think it was personal and Elgar'nan is the god of vengeance. Anyways just my thoughts on the whole thing...

 

The moon in Solas' tarot card can also effectively symbolize a non-romantic relationship as well. Or even no relationship at all, as long as she has a strong influence on his story (and i seems she does).

[Renmiri1]

I was going to post about the dev talk on the 29th

 

Is going to be around Noon Eastern time right ?

[FrankWisdom]

Ah yes I got that impression too. She called him an old friend, but that embrace was a bit too intimate for a fellow comrade. Either he was a child to her or a lover. I think it was more fraternal though. Telling Lavellan what they had is real would sound wrong if his lover for Mythal was romantic and eternal. Varric isn't even with Bianca, but because he loves her, he will never be a romance option.

 

I just have this feeling that he's not the baddie he's been made out to be in the stories. His real story somehow ended up twisted or he was framed and now he's the only one left who knows what really happened. Why do I feel like I just described a tamer version of Snape? 

 

Definitely, don't take anything retold in history at face value in the world of Thedas or ours for that matter a lot of things are manipulated and tampered with or misinterpreted. As for them being lovers, an old flame doesn't necessarily preclude Solas getting involved in another romance, he might have had a relationship with her but something could have happened that changed things between them. Like I said though, it could go either way. They very well could have just been very good friends with like minded values and goals. No matter what, I do think she was part of his rebellion, probably helped him start it. I'm just curious about the full extent of their relationship as well as Fen'Harel's relationship with The Pantheon as well as "The Forgotten Ones".

 

"Why do I feel like I just described a tamer version of Snape?"

 

Lol, well, I did just mention a horcrux to use as an example... I guess we both have Harry Potter on the brain

[Ulv Elskeren]

No I was only talking about the end game scene when talking about her sacrificing herself. She wasn't killed by Fen according to Abelas. I was guessing Elgar'nan killed her because she either fell in love with Fen and helped him with the rebellion or simply because she helped him with the rebellion.

 

The end scene either indicates a fraternal relationship or old flame relationship. I'm only leaning on old flame because his lover tarot card has a moon depicted on it, Mythal's representation. It also makes sense thematically (a wolf howling for the moon). Lastly if one of the gods from the pantheon would go as far as murder another, I'd guess it was more than just general betrayal, like Mythal joining the rebellion. I think it was personal and Elgar'nan is the god of vengeance. Anyways just my thoughts on the whole thing...

 

I'd be cautious associating Mythal directly with moon symbolism.  She placed it in the sky, yes- but from what I remember, it was crafted from the glowing earth that surrounded Elgar'nan's bed, which ties in smoothly with the rest of his imagery: owls, night, etc.  Sylaise is also closely associated with the moon (the other moon, I think) as Andruil is referenced in various incantations as both "sister to Sylaise" and "Sister of the Moon".

 

I'm also not picking up on what you're all seeing in his tarot card.  The original surrounds him with sun, moon, earth, and fade, but I don't see any obvious moon symbolism in the romanced version.     What am I missing?

[FrankWisdom]

The moon in Solas' tarot card can also effectively symbolize a non-romantic relationship as well. Or even no relationship at all, as long as she has a strong influence on his story (and i seems she does).

I agree...

[Brass_Buckles]

No I was only talking about the end game scene when talking about her sacrificing herself. She wasn't killed by Fen according to Abelas. I was guessing Elgar'nan killed her because she either fell in love with Fen and helped him with the rebellion or simply because she helped him with the rebellion.

 

The end scene either indicates a fraternal relationship or old flame relationship. I'm only leaning on old flame because his Dread wolf tarot card has a moon depicted on it, Mythal's representation. It also makes sense thematically (a wolf howling for the moon). Lastly if one of the gods from the pantheon would go as far as murder another, I'd guess it was more than just general betrayal, like Mythal joining the rebellion. I think it was personal and Elgar'nan is the god of vengeance. Anyways just my thoughts on the whole thing...

 

Mythal's murderers were plural, according to Abelas, and they were akin to the Venatori in some way (unless I'm mixing things up and it's the red templars they were like).  I fought with the red templars due to siding with mages, so I didn't get Abelas telling me about Mythal's murderers.  However, if you drank the Well, you can translate the various ancient elven texts scattered around the Temple of Mythal.  The plural murderers are mentioned there.

 

Long story short, it probably wasn't Elgar'nan unless he was in leagues with some other members of the pantheon.  More likely it was some kind of uprising, led by someone grasping for power and attempting to become a god.

 

As for whether or not Mythal and Fen'harel had a romantic relationship... that's largely unclear, but it does seem unlikely that Solas would have shown any interest in Lavellan with another lover roaming about.  It's possible, it just doesn't seem likely.  I think their relationship was probably more friendly and perhaps had a sort of parent-child tone?  I also mentioned on the thread once (I think) that I feel like their relationship probably echoed that of Leliana and Divine Justinia.  He loved her, but it wasn't romantic.  They were more than just friends, but yet their relationship was platonic.  Etc.

[Renmiri1]

BTW more Fenris coming our way

 

DRAGON AGE NOVEL

A new dragon Age novel, that has not been announced yet, is being worked on. Personally, I believe this is the same one that David Gaider (former Dragon Age lead writer and current lead writer on the new Bioware IP) referenced Fenris in a new book.

 

http://www.ladyinsan...5-paxprime-fptp(scroll to bottom)

[Sifr]

Perhaps if Mythal isn't his mother (as in the legends), she was at least a maternal figure to whom he had a strong bond with and friendship.

 

I could definitely picture Fen'harel being like the mischevious "son" who nonetheless remains the favourite anyway, sort of like how in the Simpsons, no matter what Bart does or the trouble he causes, nothing ever stops him from being Marge's "special little guy". If Mythal was his mother (or adoptive mother), her fondness for a rebellious spirit could be why she made Morrigan her primary focus to intended successor, despite having far more compliant daughters like Yavana.

 

As for Fen'harel's feelings to Mythal, if she has been one of the few people to ever truly be in his corner no matter what, her murder could have been one of the reasons he instigated his rebellion against the others, intending to seek revenge on all of them if they had a hand in it.

[FrankWisdom]

I'd be cautious associating Mythal directly with moon symbolism.  She placed it in the sky, yes- but from what I remember, it was crafted from the glowing earth that surrounded Elgar'nan's bed, which ties in smoothly with the rest of his imagery: owls, night, etc.  Sylaise is also closely associated with the moon (the other moon, I think) as Andruil is referenced in various incantations as both "sister to Sylaise" and "Sister of the Moon".

 

I'm also not picking up on what you're all seeing in his tarot card.  The original surrounds him with sun, moon, earth, and fade, but I don't see any obvious moon symbolism in the romanced version.     What am I missing?

I edited that part, she quoted me before I did so. I meant his dread wolf tarot. I'm aware of the different connotations involved as well as the different depictions for the elvhen pantheon, especially when using symbolism. Like I said, I'm open to both possibilities, I just happen to enjoy the particular symbolism involved (wolf howling for the moon). The rest with Elgar'nan I also thought could've been interesting.

[Brass_Buckles]

I edited that part, she quoted me before I did so. I meant his dread wolf tarot. I'm aware of the different connotations involved as well as the different depictions for the elvhen pantheon, especially when using symbolism. Like I said, I'm open to both possibilities, I just happen to enjoy the particular symbolism involved (wolf howling for the moon). The rest with Elgar'nan I also thought could've been interesting.

 

You might have missed my previous post, but if her murderers were multiple people, it's unlikely Elgar'nan was to blame.  At least, not directly.  Though it does seem to me more and more that although the Dalish attribute Elgar'nan to being the head of the pantheon, the actual leader was Mythal.  Elgar'nan figures very little into elven lore, as far as we've seen.  But perhaps we simply haven't seen enough yet to know.

[FrankWisdom]

Mythal's murderers were plural, according to Abelas, and they were akin to the Venatori in some way (unless I'm mixing things up and it's the red templars they were like).  I fought with the red templars due to siding with mages, so I didn't get Abelas telling me about Mythal's murderers.  However, if you drank the Well, you can translate the various ancient elven texts scattered around the Temple of Mythal.  The plural murderers are mentioned there.

 

Long story short, it probably wasn't Elgar'nan unless he was in leagues with some other members of the pantheon.  More likely it was some kind of uprising, led by someone grasping for power and attempting to become a god.

 

As for whether or not Mythal and Fen'harel had a romantic relationship... that's largely unclear, but it does seem unlikely that Solas would have shown any interest in Lavellan with another lover roaming about.  It's possible, it just doesn't seem likely.  I think their relationship was probably more friendly and perhaps had a sort of parent-child tone?  I also mentioned on the thread once (I think) that I feel like their relationship probably echoed that of Leliana and Divine Justinia.  He loved her, but it wasn't romantic.  They were more than just friends, but yet their relationship was platonic.  Etc.

 

I agree with everything you said except the Lavellan part. Like I mentioned above, Old Flame doesn't mean lover, it means they have history and that's what it is. The way I see it, if it was a love relationship, then something happened in the course of a coupe millennia (give or take) that changed the nature of their relationship. Having a past relationship with Mythal doesn't preclude him developing feelings for someone else.

 

 

As for many murderers I can't really say I didn't drink from the well and didn't see it in the wiki. I'll check it out. Even if it is so that doesn't mean Elgar'nan was alone in his vengeance. He easily could've used the rebellion as an excuse to rally the other gods to help him murder her.

 

Anyways I'm not here to defend an idea that I think might be possible. I was just throwing it out there. She could very well have a Maternal or fraternal relationship with Fen, I'm just entertaining a poetic narrative is all. I would've thought the Solas fans would be delighted with the thought, but I guess they're jealous and want him all to themselves... that's petty girls (that last part was a joke by the way, please don't get offended)

[Ulv Elskeren]

I edited that part, she quoted me before I did so. I meant his dread wolf tarot. I'm aware of the different connotations involved as well as the different depictions for the elvhen pantheon, especially when using symbolism. Like I said, I'm open to both possibilities, I just happen to enjoy the particular symbolism involved (wolf howling for the moon). The rest with Elgar'nan I also thought could've been interesting.

 

Ahh, gotcha!  Exploring the wolf's relationship with the Moon is definitely an interesting angle. I think the symbolism in that particular card points to a different conclusion, though: his unromanced domination by Order (represented by the towering Dread Wolf and Elgar'nan's moon) as well as the suggestion that the eluvian before him leads to the Void (of space).

[midnight tea]

Ahh, gotcha!  Exploring the wolf's relationship with the Moon is definitely an interesting angle. I think the symbolism in that particular card points to a different conclusion, though: his unromanced domination by Order (represented by the towering Dread Wolf and Elgar'nan's moon) as well as the suggestion that the eluvian before him leads to the Void (of space).

 

We may also take into consideration that moon might be HIS symbol as well.... Hmmm...