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[manabloom]

The magic effects are really something else this time around. I don't usually like playing mages, and for my first run through the game I want my character to not have a personal stake with the whole mage issue, but damn... that fire... the lightning... everything...

Agreed. Usually I prefer things a bit less flashy - but they're so beautifully done this time, and since everything else in the game looks so realistic the overall effect is just... wow. I plan to play a mage second so I can get all that added content on my next playthrough to keep things fresh (and prefer to romance mages with non-mages  ). But, I'll definitely be watching, rapt, as my companions make the pretties though. 

 

AHAHAHA. [evil cackle, rubs hands together evilly]

Yes, yes, good, good. JOIN US. Let the lyrium flow through you...

 

[puts out cookies and lemonade under her Mage Pride banner]

 

But I'm actually really looking forward to the dialogue coming up every once in a bit as opposed to only the first time over a trigger!

 

YES THIS. I'm with the rest of you on doing laps over banter points just to trigger it. The one I hate most is in Redcliffe Village... WHY THAT BRIDGE? There is literally NOTHING over there. Just one Deathroot! Then NOTHING ELSE. And yet I was constantly going over there. So dumb.

 

2 was worse, though. It seemed to be utterly random... It wasn't as much as an issue because in general I didn't care to hear what would be said anyway... Fenris was mean to Merrill, I hated whenever Sebastian opened his mouth... The few things I liked hearing were like, Isabela and Merrill and Isabela and Varric... and anything involving Anders because it made me giggle to hear him starting fights with people... but that wasn't hard to do, so. 

 

So yeah this notion that they'll just trigger after I've been wandering around for a certain amount of time (particularly since I'm going to be doing that for exploring)? AWESOMESAUCE. 

 

Here's a comic! Very big, so I put it in spoiler tags.

-snip-

 

...I HAVE BEEN REDUCED TO GOO. 

[melts into a puddle and gurgles]

[Cat Lance]

AHAHAHA. [evil cackle, rubs hands together evilly]
Yes, yes, good, good. JOIN US. Let the lyrium flow through you...

[puts out cookies and lemonade under her Mage Pride banner]




YES THIS. I'm with the rest of you on doing laps over banter points just to trigger it. The one I hate most is in Redcliffe Village... WHY THAT BRIDGE? There is literally NOTHING over there. Just one Deathroot! Then NOTHING ELSE. And yet I was constantly going over there. So dumb.

2 was worse, though. It seemed to be utterly random... It wasn't as much as an issue because in general I didn't care to hear what would be said anyway... Fenris was mean to Merrill, I hated whenever Sebastian opened his mouth... The few things I liked hearing were like, Isabela and Merrill and Isabela and Varric... and anything involving Anders because it made me giggle to hear him starting fights with people... but that wasn't hard to do, so.

So yeah this notion that they'll just trigger after I've been wandering around for a certain amount of time (particularly since I'm going to be doing that for exploring)? AWESOMESAUCE.



...I HAVE BEEN REDUCED TO GOO.
[melts into a puddle and gurgles]

Yes, I'm glad to hear that characters that I think I'm going to like seem to get along. And that it seems that no one will be everyone's punching bag. The only person it was entirely safe for me to take Merrill out with was Varric, but I romanced Fenris. Smdh If i could have called off the romance stating his treatment of Merrill as the reason or argued with him about that I'd have felt much better about the whole thing. Instead I just had to stand there while he said horrible things to her like a fool and then had no way to confront him about it directly afterwards. It drove me crazy!

[manabloom]

Yes, I'm glad to hear that characters that I think I'm going to like seem to get along. And that it seems that no one will be everyone's punching bag. The only person it was entirely safe for me to take Merrill out with was Varric, but I romanced Fenris. Smdh If i could have called off the romance stating his treatment of Merrill as the reason or argued with him about that I'd have felt much better about the whole thing. Instead I just had to stand there while he said horrible things to her like a fool and then had no way to confront him about it directly afterwards. It drove me crazy!

 

I know, the forced silence was maddening. So many times it was just like, WHOA. Sometimes when I'd get really mad, I'd just turn around and... STARE at them. Like I can't talk, but I am just going to STARE CREEPILY AT YOU SO YOU KNOW YOU'VE DONE WRONG.

 

But now we've got interactive banter, so yay! And I doubt we have to worry about Solas in that department. I can't see him mounting personal attacks, especially not petty ones. Though I am really curious to see how he deals with people and/or situations he finds annoying...

I mean, I know there's the whole "won't realize you've been insulted until later," thing (which I definitely can't wait to see!) but I wonder in more heated situations...? Like I can see the Qun really pissing him off so I wonder how it'll go if he and IB ever get into a conversation about it... And I also have this sneaking suspicion (or is it secret wish??) that Vivi's Orlesian snobbery will get on his last nerve sooner or later... And what will he do if someone says something nasty to his BFF Cole?? What if the rough manhanding Solas we saw in the trailer comes out then?? Hmm, so much to wonder about... So much I can't want to see...

 

IS IT NOVEMBER YET? 

[Dr. Doctor]

Been running a campaign of the Shadowrun pen & paper RPG and the magic system kind of makes me realize why Vivienne and Solas might not get along. The Circle of Magi practices Hermetic Magic, which is more focused on ritual and procedure. A Circle mage is generally going to know spells from some of the major schools created by the organization.

Solas and the Seers of Rivain are more shamanistic, their magic is more intuition and personality-based than what the Circle teaches. This causes magic to manifest differently for each practitioner, which is dangerous according to Circle dogma because it isn't as predictable.

[Baka-no-Neko]

Been running a campaign of the Shadowrun pen & paper RPG and the magic system kind of makes me realize why Vivienne and Solas might not get along. The Circle of Magi practices Hermetic Magic, which is more focused on ritual and procedure. A Circle mage is generally going to know spells from some of the major schools created by the organization.

Solas and the Seers of Rivain are more shamanistic, their magic is more intuition and personality-based than what the Circle teaches. This causes magic to manifest differently for each practitioner, which is dangerous according to Circle dogma because it isn't as predictable.

I love the sound of this. Being able to see such difference in the magic, it will make each mage stand out more I think. Shamanistic Solas, yes, yes please =)

[RynJ]

Been running a campaign of the Shadowrun pen & paper RPG and the magic system kind of makes me realize why Vivienne and Solas might not get along. The Circle of Magi practices Hermetic Magic, which is more focused on ritual and procedure. A Circle mage is generally going to know spells from some of the major schools created by the organization.

Solas and the Seers of Rivain are more shamanistic, their magic is more intuition and personality-based than what the Circle teaches. This causes magic to manifest differently for each practitioner, which is dangerous according to Circle dogma because it isn't as predictable.

 

Totally agree. And I think I've said it before, but I can definitely see Solas coming off as foolish and arrogant to someone like Vivienne who has learned the Circle's teachings. She may think that the way he freely interacts with spirits and demons and his embrace of the Fade is something he won't be able to control one day, even if he considers himself well-versed in it. Especially since, in her mind, he hasn't been properly trained. And that view of things does make a lot of sense, even if it might make their interactions unpleasant. I'm so interested to see what sort of talks they have in the game, if Vivienne doesn't just completely shut him out.

[manabloom]

Totally agree. And I think I've said it before, but I can definitely see Solas coming off as foolish and arrogant to someone like Vivienne who has learned the Circle's teachings. She may think that the way he freely interacts with spirits and demons and his embrace of the Fade is something he won't be able to control one day, even if he considers himself well-versed in it. Especially since, in her mind, he hasn't been properly trained. And that view of things does make a lot of sense, even if it might make their interactions unpleasant. I'm so interested to see what sort of talks they have in the game, if Vivienne doesn't just completely shut him out.

 

I agree! I'm sure they'll talk, though. I mean, we've had companions that have disliked each other in the past (Alistair and Morrigan, Anders and Fenris) but they opt to argue instead of ignoring each other. And, I don't know, I guess we don't know a lot of details on Vivi's personality yet but I just see her as constantly engaging Solas to try and prove she's right and getting incredibly annoyed with him when he won't accept her view on things. Something like "I know more about magic than you ever could!" because of her position with the Circle and her strong belief in it and whatnot... I don't know, maybe I'm just making things up in my head, but I think those would be conversation I'd be interested to hear. Even cooler would be if they could come to some sort of mutual respect, like after she's seen him prove himself time and time again or something...

[DeityDi]

but I think those would be conversation I'd be interested to hear.

 

We already had it with Morrigan and Wynne. What's there to hear again, I don't understand. It's clear from their profiles they can't stand each other. 

 

I kinda dissapointed and tired of those people (like Vivienne), they're annoying as hell. Every time Wynne opened her mouth and said something *pro-circle* I wanted to slap her for good. And Fenris. God knows, I like him, support and always end up in friendship, but the urge to b-chslap him is overwhelming. I do hope we will be able now to tell them just shut up, or else.

In the end I just ended up bringing with me only those who don't want to beat each other to death while Hawke's not looking (like Varric and Isabela + 1 troublemaker, aka Fenris/Merrill/Anders). 

[Dr. Doctor]

Oddly enough, I can picture Dorian and Solas getting along. He's specialized in spirit magic that Vivienne disapproves of and Solas is the resident Fade guy. They might have the Tony Stark/Bruce Banner science bromance thing going on.

I kind of get the impression that Vivienne is either going to be awesome or she's going to be hanging around Skyhold if we wind up with something like this:

[manabloom]

We already had it with Morrigan and Wynne. What's there to hear again, I don't understand. It's clear from their profiles they can't stand each other. 

 

I kinda dissapointed and tired of those people (like Vivienne), they're annoying as hell. Every time Wynne opened her mouth and said something *pro-circle* I wanted to slap her for good. And Fenris. God knows, I like him, support and always end up in friendship, but the urge to b-chslap him is overwhelming. I do hope we will be able now to tell them just shut up, or else.

In the end I just ended up bringing with me only those who don't want to beat each other to death while Hawke's not looking (like Varric and Isabela + 1 troublemaker, aka Fenris/Merrill/Anders). 

 

...I don't see Solas being like Morrigan at all, though? Like, not even a little? Just because they're apostates doesn't mean they're going to have the same opinions. Hell, Morrigan's opinions bordered on ridiculous at times (she's utterly horrendous in Broken Circle and I will forever resent not having the option to shriek at her) as she was completely ignorant on such matters. She had no idea what it would have been like if she wasn't sheltered by Flemeth. Solas (as far as we know) has had no such protection. He's had to fend for himself (presumably). And one of his main character traits is described as open-minded, which is not something that could be said about Morrigan... at all. I figure he'll have a unique take, especially given his unique mindset and skills.

 

For that matter, I also don't see Vivienne as being anything like Wynne. She's described as being in it for herself, whereas Wynne was in it for everyone else. Vivienne is worried about her own standing and power and what she stands to lose, whereas Wynne, however misguided and out of touch, legitimately thought that the Circle was the best option for the well being of her fellow mages. So, again, I see them coming from entirely different places on the matter.

 

​I am particularly anti-Circle myself, so I understand the feeling of annoyance. Personally, I've been operating under the assumption that I will dislike Vivienne since first hearing of her pro-Circle stance. I do like Wynne as a character, but yeah, I never was interested in hearing it from her in regards to the Circle. And I like Fenris too, but there will never be a time where he and I aren't arguing about mages. But there are many different ways to look at the same subject, and just because people might be on the same side doesn't mean they're all the same. That's actually part of why I look forward to Solas and Vivienne: they sound very different from the more combative and naive points of view we've had from companions in the past.

 

Oddly enough, I can picture Dorian and Solas getting along. He's specialized in spirit magic that Vivienne disapproves of and Solas is the resident Fade guy. They might have the Tony Stark/Bruce Banner science bromance thing going on.

I kind of get the impression that Vivienne is either going to be awesome or she's going to be hanging around Skyhold if we wind up with something like this:
-snip-

 

...Okay, I would love that so much. Do want! What is it with this thread always giving me ideas I never knew I needed? 

I agree about Vivi, though. Like I said, I've been expecting to dislike her from almost day one (and that clip really fits my initial mental image of her, ha!) but characters have surprised me before...

[Tamyn]

I really want to take Vivienne with me just to see how bitchy she can be.   But not on my first run with Solas and my Fade baby if she's going to be giving them crap.

 

How I hope Vivienne is:

 

 

[RynJ]

Oddly enough, I can picture Dorian and Solas getting along. He's specialized in spirit magic that Vivienne disapproves of and Solas is the resident Fade guy. They might have the Tony Stark/Bruce Banner science bromance thing going on.

 

You know, I was just thinking about Solas and Dorian. I actually can't think of much of a reason for them not getting along, unless Solas isn't a fan of Dorian's confident and gregarious nature and Dorian isn't a fan of Solas's stoic and probably antisocial tendencies. Ideology-wise, I'm not sure what they would very much disagree on unless Solas really doesn't like Tevinter, and even then Dorian is trying to change his homeland for the better.

 

Though I do remember something being said about all three mages being tense with each other or having differing viewpoints. It might have been an answer during the Raptr Q&A.

[Dr. Doctor]

I really want to take Vivienne with me just to see how bitchy she can be. But not on my first run with Solas and my Fade baby if she's going to be giving them crap.

How I hope Vivienne is:

Inquisitor: Solas, I think I'm in love.

Solas: She just threw her wine in your face and slapped you.

Inquisitor: She's...passionate.

Solas: You do have the tendency to attract women who wish to do you bodily harm.

[Tamyn]

Well from a dev tweet I read that Dorian will pick on Solas' fashion, but that might only be if Viv is there as well.

 

 

 

Inquisitor: Solas, I think I'm in love.

Solas: She just threw her wine in your face and slapped you.

Inquisitor: She's...passionate.

Solas: You do have the tendency to attract women who wish to do you bodily harm.

 

I might have to do this with a brutish qunari at some point.

[Fialka]

I got the impression that the Tevinter mages, with their training and breeding and elitism, would look down on hedge mages, as they have had no real training and can't do real spells. Someone like Solas would be viewed as having wasted his talent, I believe. Whether that would mean Dorian would feel that way is anyone's guess. It seems his rejection of some of that Tevinter elitism would make Dorian a bit more open minded. It could mean that Dorian would side-eye Solas a bit a first, but would come to respect him relatively quickly. I could see the two having friendly battles of wit for some reason, like in classic English literature and such, haha...

[Ellana Lavellan]

Oddly enough, I can picture Dorian and Solas getting along. He's specialized in spirit magic that Vivienne disapproves of and Solas is the resident Fade guy. They might have the Tony Stark/Bruce Banner science bromance thing going on.
 

I can so see that happening, I need this....   _{(Bruce Banner, from the new movie, just happens to be my favorite character....because...reasons....namely, he is utterly adorable)}

 

I really want to take Vivienne with me just to see how bitchy she can be.   But not on my first run with Solas and my Fade baby if she's going to be giving them crap.

 

How I hope Vivienne is:

 

 

 

Inquisitor: Solas, I think I'm in love.

Solas: She just threw her wine in your face and slapped you.

Inquisitor: She's...passionate.

Solas: You do have the tendency to attract women who wish to do you bodily harm.

 

^^^^ These are totally how I see Vivienne being. 

 

I got the impression that the Tevinter mages, with their training and breeding and elitism, would look down on hedge mages, as they have had no real training and can't do real spells. Someone like Solas would be viewed as having wasted his talent, I believe. Whether that would mean Dorian would feel that way is anyone's guess. It seems his rejection of some of that Tevinter elitism would make Dorian a bit more open minded. It could mean that Dorian would side-eye Solas a bit a first, but would come to respect him relatively quickly. I could see the two having friendly battles of wit for some reason, like in classic English literature and such, haha...

I can see this ^ leading into that Tony Stark/Bruce Banner relationship 

[RynJ]

I got the impression that the Tevinter mages, with their training and breeding and elitism, would look down on hedge mages, as they have had no real training and can't do real spells. Someone like Solas would be viewed as having wasted his talent, I believe. Whether that would mean Dorian would feel that way is anyone's guess. It seems his rejection of some of that Tevinter elitism would make Dorian a bit more open minded. It could mean that Dorian would side-eye Solas a bit a first, but would come to respect him relatively quickly. I could see the two having friendly battles of wit for some reason, like in classic English literature and such, haha...

 

I can see that! When I say "get along" I more mean "not constantly be at each other's throats" when it comes to the DA companions    Even if they might scrunch their noses up at each other at first, I don't think they'll hate each other. Hopefully their relationship can evolve into something fun like that!

[Fialka]

I can see that! When I say "get along" I more mean "not constantly be at each other's throats" when it comes to the DA companions    Even if they might scrunch their noses up at each other at first, I don't think they'll hate each other. Hopefully their relationship can evolve into something fun like that!

Heh... I think, thanks to DA2 our interpretation of the phrase 'getting along' has become a bit loose. Like - well, they don't wish the other person would dry up and die... Cool! Everyone is friends! I mean, in Origins we had Alistair and Morrigan going at it, but it was really only the two of them and somehow it didn't seem as bad as Fenris/Anders/Merrill (who, come to think of it, were like half of our party...)

[Dr. Doctor]

I got the impression that the Tevinter mages, with their training and breeding and elitism, would look down on hedge mages, as they have had no real training and can't do real spells. Someone like Solas would be viewed as having wasted his talent, I believe. Whether that would mean Dorian would feel that way is anyone's guess. It seems his rejection of some of that Tevinter elitism would make Dorian a bit more open minded. It could mean that Dorian would side-eye Solas a bit a first, but would come to respect him relatively quickly. I could see the two having friendly battles of wit for some reason, like in classic English literature and such, haha...

I think given how Dorian is something of a pariah because of his differences in beliefs and behavior from his fellows in Tevinter he'd be a little more understanding with Solas. Vivienne doesn't care for Dorian because of where he comes from and what his government stands for. Given his disposition in the E3 demo, Dorian appears to talk, snark, or attempt to change the subject of the conversation when he's afraid or uncomfortable. Mocking the elves' clothing keeps Vivienne from sinking her claws too deeply into the poor guy:

Dorian: I apologize for earlier. My remarks were unbecoming of a gentleman.

Solas: (pulls a pair of yellowish lumps out of his ears) Sorry, you were saying something?

Dorian: What are those things?

Solas: Beeswax. Just stick a little ball into your ear and suddenly you have blessed silence.

Dorian: You magnificent bastard. You have to give me some, I'd never have to hear Vivienne or the Seeker lecture me for the rest of my days.

Solas: I'd advise against wearing them on the battlefield, otherwise the rest of your days would be a rather short span of time.

[Tamyn]

Art progress:

 

[DeityDi]

manabloom You have a point, of course and I can agree with that.

 

As for "I don't see Solas being like Morrigan at all, though? Like, not even a little?" - No,no I think it'll be vice versa actually - Vivienne as arrogant ... and Solas as someone rational but in the same time someone quickly losing his patience because "it's more complicated than that!" 

[Gervaise]

The important thing about Solas is that he doesn't feel the need to constantly prove to people how "nails" he is.   Solas is tough, he has to be or he would never have survived out there on his own.   Solas can look after himself in the Fade, partly because he doesn't go in expecting to see demons but also because he has become familiar with it in a way that more conventionally trained mages would not.   

 

Vivienne and Dorian come from similar systems in that you are trained by other mages.  Both Tevinter and Orlais have Circles, it is just that in Tevinter the mages themselves control them because their Chantry is run by mages.   Tevinter has a different approach to certain types of magic, like blood magic, but it's likely that both Vivienne and Dorian would initially look down on Solas as a "hedge mage".    However, there are hedge mages and hedge mages.   Flemeth is a hedge mage, need I say more!      So I imagine that Solas considers it a waste of breath constantly arguing with them but might end a confrontation with some sort of clever put down that only becomes apparent to them 5 minutes later.     How the relationship between the 3 of them develops I suppose on how they respond when they realise just how much he does know about the Fade.    I  should think Dorian would be willing to rethink his views on hedge mages and would actually be quite curious.    Vivienne might try and cultivate a friendship if she thought it might benefit her but then again she might never concede that this "simple" hedge mage could know anything more than her.

 

Whilst on the subject, how do you suppose Solas would get on with Morrigan? 

[scintilla]

 

*snip*

Whilst on the subject, how do you suppose Solas would get on with Morrigan? 

 

"As well as he has to."  More seriously, Morrigan, when we last saw her ten years or so ago, had some pretty strong opinions on the Circles that were huge generalizations - I imagine Solas would have a problem with her reductive views of certain groups of people, providing she still has them.  They may see each other as more sensible than most people on the topic of magic (unless Morrigan has been getting up to things that made the situation worse).

 

Then there's the fact that they're both pretty private people.  So maybe quietly respectful for the most part?

[Tamyn]

I think Solas would probably ask Morrigan too many questions out of curiosity and she would get annoyed. But he might be quietly respectful after he notices her annoyance.

[ClassicBox]

Art progress:

 

Holy shiz! I absolutely love your style. *o* You are very very talented! (I had to comment because wow)

 

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