153429 réponses à ce sujet

[Vlk3]

Sooo... we can see that the Eluvians have fallen into wrong hands (qunari). What if we need to shut them down to stop the Invasion and somehow only Inquisitor is able to do so?

The catch is, he/she goes somewhere with no way back. Unless there's a very friendly Solas somewhere who would eventually figure out how to get Inquisitor out of there. But it is not certain. That would be both utterly intriguing and sad (also no real closure).

 

I don't know...I need a scenario where there is some hope at least.

[midnight tea]

It seems to me Solas was just planning to use him, so it might've actually worked out better for him to not LTFS (I loove that abbreviation and will use it from now on every chance I get ). It prolonged his proto-divine existence a bit and let to the creation of the Inquisition, an organization that, depending on your PT, stood for the interests of shemlen of all races, as opposed to whoever Solas is trying to protect. 

 

Well whether Inquisition stood for interests of anyone beside Inquisitor is the matter of individual playthrough I mean, Inquisitor can even officially declare that they're leading Inquisition specifically to empower themselves.

 

As for Solas... well, we don't know who he's trying to protect, of what he's trying to accomplish, and I REALLY do seriously hope that we'll get some insight into his motivation in Trespasser, whenever he's going to have - what it looks to be - his extended cameo.

 

But considering how much approval he gives for looking after all people and considering that even in the big PAX panel the devs underlined that they wanted to emphasize that he cares about everyone who's in peril, which is why I suspect whatever he's trying to accomplish, is ultimately based on very altruistic motives.

 

....We do know however that the road to hell is paved with good intentions, so I wonder whether they'll matter in the end 

[laurelinvanyar]

I'm beginning to think zero drama relationship does not exist in Thedas.

 

The bright side I suppose is that Fen'Harel drama is pretty hard to top. So, I guess anyone else in Thedas will seem like zero wacky to Lavellan.

May I introduce you to Zevran Arainai?

 

Beyond the whole "failed to assassinate you" thing, he legit has zero drama. No break points. No dumping you because you're an elf/mage/dwarf or because you thought another warden could be handy to have around. 

 

He doesn't even really lose approval if you do shitty things. 

 

Also

Modifié par laurelinvanyar, 31 août 2015 - 07:35 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

But considering how much approval he gives for looking after all people and considering that even in the big PAX panel the devs underlined that they wanted to emphasize that he cares about everyone who's in peril, which is why I suspect whatever he's trying to accomplish, is ultimately based on very altruistic motives.

 

....We do know however that the road to hell is paved with good intentions, so I wonder whether they'll matter in the end 

 

At least in the main game of Inquisition, I think it's safe to say that his proximal motive was to fix the mess he helped cause.  Because here's the thing: no matter how much Solas may dislike quizzy, no matter how viciously they can disagree, quizzy is still a step up from Corypheus.  And no matter how much power (military and political) quizzy gets over the course of the game, s/he is never in a position to undo the fabric of reality.  So even if he thoroughly loathes the Inquisitor, it's still a case of "enemy of my enemy," albeit one caused by Solas's own mistakes and desperation.

 

Ultimate motive, there's the real question.  And hopefully we get some answers in Trespasser.

 

 

May I introduce you to Zevran Arainai?

 

Beyond the whole "failed to assassinate you" thing, he legit has zero drama.

 

Unless you kill the Warden who romanced him.

 

(I know, I know, I'm a horrible monster  )

[Uirebhiril]

May I introduce you to Zevran Arainai?

 

Beyond the whole "failed to assassinate you" thing, he legit has zero drama. No break points. No dumping you because you're an elf/mage/dwarf or because you thought another warden could be handy to have around. 

 

Yeah, we just have to look past the part where he literally helped torture his former love to death. No big.

[Avejajed]

I wonder what we'll argue about for the next four years while we wait for a new game. Surely, we can't keep going round and round over who does or does not like him.

[Uirebhiril]

I wonder what we'll argue about for the next four years while we wait for a new game.

 

I expect a good many of us will be settling in to do all of this over again once the Andromeda hype starts.

[midnight tea]

Sooo... we can see that the Eluvians have fallen into wrong hands (qunari). What if we need to shut them down to stop the Invasion and somehow only Inquisitor is able to do so?

The catch is, he/she goes somewhere with no way back.

 

My suspicion is that this is pretty much what's going to happen. I mean, the Inquisitor is someone that - through either accident or fate - wields unique power, and we know that it's getting out of control, or (at least according to devs at Pax) it's 'evolving', whatever this may mean. It may as well be that eventually they're a too great danger for both themselves, their loved ones and the world, unless they either make some sort of crucial decision or venture outside the world and laws of it farther than it was ever supposed to be possible (hence "trespasser").

 

Even that promo picture with what seems to be Inquisitor entering an eluvian after dropping the helm seems to suggest that this may be happening. Maybe this is what Solas means that Inquisitor's existence "changes everything"? Maybe this is why he is so fascinated with the Herald?

 

That suggests that even if the chapter of Inquisition is over, the Quizzy's story may have not yet come to an end. It seems to me that their fate may be left very much open-ended and may become relevant later in the story. Who knows - maybe this whole Corypheus crisis was/is merely a 'test of mettle' for them?

[drosophila]

Well whether Inquisition stood for interests of anyone beside Inquisitor is the matter of individual playthrough I mean, Inquisitor can even officially declare that they're leading Inquisition specifically to empower themselves.

 

As for Solas... well, we don't know who he's trying to protect, of what he's trying to accomplish, and I REALLY do seriously hope that we'll get some insight into his motivation in Trespasser, whenever he's going to have - what it looks to be - his extended cameo.

 

But considering how much approval he gives for looking after all people and considering that even in the big PAX panel the devs underlined that they wanted to emphasize that he cares about everyone who's in peril, which is why I suspect whatever he's trying to accomplish, is ultimately based on very altruistic motives.

 

....We do know however that the road to hell is paved with good intentions, so I wonder whether they'll matter in the end 

 

 

At least in the main game of Inquisition, I think it's safe to say that his proximal motive was to fix the mess he helped cause.  Because here's the thing: no matter how much Solas may dislike quizzy, no matter how viciously they can disagree, quizzy is still a step up from Corypheus.  And no matter how much power (military and political) quizzy gets over the course of the game, s/he is never in a position to undo the fabric of reality.  So even if he thoroughly loathes the Inquisitor, it's still a case of "enemy of my enemy," albeit one caused by Solas's own mistakes and desperation.

 

Ultimate motive, there's the real question.  And hopefully we get some answers in Trespasser.

 

Agree with all of this. I was trying to say that

 

1) LTFS (listen to f*cking Solas) would probably not have been the best strategy for Cory, because I think he was a pawn in Solas' game.

2) Cory is not 100% the bad guy, nor is Solas 100% the good guy. It's a very obvious point to make, I know, so I was just pointing out one way Cory's actions could have some beneficial consequences, by establishing the Inquisition. 

 

Solas, as we saw him in the main game, was full of kindness and caring. But not only do we not know what his goals are, we have no idea just how desperate he is. 

[midnight tea]

At least in the main game of Inquisition, I think it's safe to say that his proximal motive was to fix the mess he helped cause.  Because here's the thing: no matter how much Solas may dislike quizzy, no matter how viciously they can disagree, quizzy is still a step up from Corypheus.  And no matter how much power (military and political) quizzy gets over the course of the game, s/he is never in a position to undo the fabric of reality.  

 

Um, he/she is. The Anchor bestows on them the power to do exactly that. Even Solas said so in the Fade (which, of course, a loathed Inquisitor will never hear). True that even evil/bad/incompetent Quizzy is a step-up from Corypheus, but considering how oftentimes Cory himself alludes that Inquisitor is his rival in a 'competition' to reach godhood, we don't really know whether Inquisitor isn't a greater danger to the world in the long run.

[Avejajed]

I expect a good many of us will be settling in to do all of this over again once the Andromeda hype starts.

 

And I'll be all alone in the Solas thread.

[MayriyaNoori]

Sooo... we can see that the Eluvians have fallen into wrong hands (qunari). What if we need to shut them down to stop the Invasion and somehow only Inquisitor is able to do so?

The catch is, he/she goes somewhere with no way back. Unless there's a very friendly Solas somewhere who would eventually figure out how to get Inquisitor out of there. But it is not certain. That would be both utterly intriguing and sad (also no real closure).

 

I don't know...I need a scenario where there is some hope at least.

......sorta like a group of super powerful being from approximately 2000 years ago?

 

If this is the case......watch Solas get blamed for locking away the Inquisitor in about 500 years.

[drosophila]

And I'll be all alone in the Solas thread.

 

I'll stick around if other people do. Not ditching my lethallan. 

[Avejajed]

I'll stick around if other people do. Not ditching my lethallan. 

 

It'll be slim pickings. I don't play Mass Effect like the others do, I'm strictly a Dragon Age girl. So it's a long, lonely wait.

[NightSymphony]

And I'll be all alone in the Solas thread.

Aww...I'll probably still be here. :-P 

[midnight tea]

......sorta like a group of super powerful being from approximately 2000 years ago?

 

If this is the case......watch Solas get blamed for locking away the Inquisitor in about 500 years.

 

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if he'd take the blame, as long as it helps him accomplish whatever he's trying to accomplish.

[midnight tea]

It'll be slim pickings. I don't play Mass Effect like the others do, I'm strictly a Dragon Age girl. So it's a long, lonely wait.

 

Not just for you. I sincerely hope TESVI will appear sooner than later, so I'd have another fantasy RPG to sink my teeth (and long hours) in. Come on, Bethesda!

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

Well whether Inquisition stood for interests of anyone beside Inquisitor is the matter of individual playthrough I mean, Inquisitor can even officially declare that they're leading Inquisition specifically to empower themselves.

 

As for Solas... well, we don't know who he's trying to protect, of what he's trying to accomplish, and I REALLY do seriously hope that we'll get some insight into his motivation in Trespasser, whenever he's going to have - what it looks to be - his extended cameo.

 

But considering how much approval he gives for looking after all people and considering that even in the big PAX panel the devs underlined that they wanted to emphasize that he cares about everyone who's in peril, which is why I suspect whatever he's trying to accomplish, is ultimately based on very altruistic motives.

 

....We do know however that the road to hell is paved with good intentions, so I wonder whether they'll matter in the end 

That's the thing, isn't it? He seems like he'd have the best of intentions, that he wouldn't do something that would ultimately endanger or hurt a bunch of innocents, and yet he won't tell us about it and let us help him and he considers his path to be something he "wouldn't wish on his worst enemy".  Bit of mixed signals there. lol

 

This may come down to a difference between what he wishes he could do versus what he feels he must do. He wished he could do w/e it is he's doing and be the only one to pay the price, but apparently reality doesn't agree. Maybe he also wishes he could make everything "right" for the elves without it hurting them or anyone else in the process. But he feels he must make it "right" regardless of who is hurt in the process. Basically the sacrificing for the greater good thing, again. 

 

 

At least in the main game of Inquisition, I think it's safe to say that his proximal motive was to fix the mess he helped cause.  Because here's the thing: no matter how much Solas may dislike quizzy, no matter how viciously they can disagree, quizzy is still a step up from Corypheus.  And no matter how much power (military and political) quizzy gets over the course of the game, s/he is never in a position to undo the fabric of reality.  So even if he thoroughly loathes the Inquisitor, it's still a case of "enemy of my enemy," albeit one caused by Solas's own mistakes and desperation.

 

Ultimate motive, there's the real question.  And hopefully we get some answers in Trespasser.

I'm out of likes, but I totally agree with this. Hopefully at least THIS thread of speculation will be put to rest in Trespasser. I hope. lol

[drosophila]

It'll be slim pickings. I don't play Mass Effect like the others do, I'm strictly a Dragon Age girl. So it's a long, lonely wait.

 

I don't play ME either, one game obsession is all I can handle.

 

Things will probably be winding down slowly in the next couple of months. When I'm done re-running all my characters through the game and epilogue, I'll probably keep myself occupied with the previous games. There's so much there that I haven't yet touched! 

 

Edit: Top Solas. Remember the good times. Image from Solas-an

 

[Vlk3]

......sorta like a group of super powerful being from approximately 2000 years ago?

 

If this is the case......watch Solas get blamed for locking away the Inquisitor in about 500 years.

Well yes, I've had that in mind too.

 

 

Solas has got something to do with Eluvians...and presumably locking away the 'gods' or someone else  (there was a banter with Cole where it was pretty much confirmed, about "them" behind the mirrors and Solas who 'did this' to save them)

[Armdin]

Quite a bit off-topic, but I've discovered the joys of playing DAI by physically controlling my teammates! Normally I let them do their own thing, but I thought I'd shake it up a bit this time around. Cassandra is amazing to handle, and playing as a dagger-Rouge it's great to swap to Solas and do stuff from a distance when it gets a bit intense in melee range, especially when I swap to him to freeze something just in the nick of time!

 

I'm almost thankful I lost my main save since I'm looking forward to trying out different team combos properly. I haven't jumped to Varric at all much since he feels quite stiff and hardly useful, so I'm looking forward to getting more companions to try it out (I'm looking at Dorian xD).

[Armdin]

I don't play ME either, one game obsession is all I can handle.

 

Things will probably be winding down slowly in the next couple of months. When I'm done re-running all my characters through the game and epilogue, I'll probably keep myself occupied with the previous games. There's so much there that I haven't yet touched! 

 

Edit: Top Solas. Remember the good times. Image from Solas-an

-snip wonderful screenshot-

 

You know, this reminds me, I haven't seen The Gif™ in quite a long time. Does anyone have it to hand? I'm gonna go look for it.

[MayriyaNoori]

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if he'd take the blame, as long as it helps him accomplish whatever he's trying to accomplish.

You know...you are probably pretty spot on about this. I mean.....he even had to perfect chance to clarify even just a little bit about the whole Fen'Harel legend in game....and all he basically said was basically don't give legend the weight of history. He had no problem spilling out tid bits about Falon'Din and Andruil. And gave a little insight to who Mythal was.

 

And giving himself up wouldn't be a very good excuse at that moment. SOmeone could just as easily sk "How do you know all that?" from him talking about the other pantheon folks.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

 

Same.  I have gamer friends IRL but none of them are really into DA.  It's good to have this place.

 

At least you have IRL gamer friends. I am surrounded by people who either exclusively play DoTA 2 or people who think video games are the spawn of satan or something.

 

 

I expect Solas to be different. I want to see more of what we glimpsed beneath the surface. But he'd better not goddamn forget that we aren't stupid and can handle grown up conversations.

 

*channels Star Wars*

 

FemLavellan: Solas, all I want is your love.

 

Solas: Love won't save you from the Mark, Vhenan. Only my new powers can do that.

FemLavellan: At what cost? You are a good person. A wise person. Don't do this, please...

.

.

.

FemLavellan: I don't believe what I'm hearing . . . They are right. You've changed.

Solas: I don't want to hear any more about our followers or about the Dalish. The Dalish turned against me. Don't you turn against me.

FemLavellan: I don't know you anymore. Solas, you're breaking my heart. I'll never stop loving you, but you are going down a path I
can't follow.

Solas: Because of...? Everything I have done is for the good of The Elvhen ! I have only done what is necessary.

 

FemLavellan: Because of what you've done . . . what you plan to do. Stop, stop now. Come back! I love you, Vhenan !

 

*somewhere in an office in Edmonton, Patrick Weekes is cackling madly like a supervillain while drinking Fan Tears through a straw labelled 'Team Optimism'*