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Throwing this out there, for the bored or theory-crazed:  

 

I was following a hunch about Qunari armor and ancient Egyptian knotting magic (you know, just for kicks) and realized: the dragon in the trailer is covered with both multi-string circular and netting knots - both types that would be associated with an attempt to impose magical restrictions and render a thing powerless.  That plus the color, the fade-green flare in its (eight?) nostrils, the fact that it seems to be breaking free and turning on the Qunari....

 

Spoiler

 

This isn't Solas' dragon... right?  

 

It can't be.  

 

....right?

 

Aren't all the dragons supposed to be female?



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Aren't all the dragons supposed to be female?

 

The High Dragons - yep, female, AFAIK.



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Solas casting a meteor shower on top of the enemy is SO badass

 

Edit: Top Solas image from Solas-an

 

 

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Aren't all the dragons supposed to be female?

 

Physically, yes.   Corypheus, Hakkon, and a handful of Old Gods don't seem to have minded, though.



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Labellan......sounds like some Lavellan+Abelas something going on there.

 

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AKA captain-caranis :)

 

Yes, I just used her new name now to prevent any confusion for people who are new.  :)



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SO I finished The Masked Empire (surprised it took me so little time).

 

Firstly: Felassan noooo :( :( :( (I mean, I read some spoilers, I knew this was coming, but he's even cooler than I expected - I would honestly go as far as willing to trade an existing companion so as to have him in DA:I. How could they kill Best elf? Urgh.)

 

Secondly, it's caused me to largely rethink my approach to Wicked Hearts - I'm not sure that I could reunite Briala and Celene in good conscience now. Not that I ever particularly trusted Celene, but I don't think she really ever valued Briala and was absolutely awful to her. I was surprised at the scholar in her - but her approach to suffering is so academic, it's so restrained, it's so lacking in empathy, and it's all something she'd sacrifice in order to hold power when threatened. I have a much higher opinion of Briala than before - she's constantly aware of the weird class & race politics of her position, and constantly questioning what she's doing (in a good way - like, she's highly conscious of the fact that she could slide into becoming a hypocrite, that she could lose touch).

 

Thirdly, given the amount of stories Felassan tells about Fen'Harel, in proper reverence of his reputation, and the amount the novel discusses who 'the people' are - it punishes (perhaps unfairly) the Dalish for having such a narrow view of 'us' and 'we', and celebrates Briala's attempts to fight for all elves - in that light, Solas' dismissal of Briala after Wicked Hearts becomes even more disappointing. Briala took so much from Fen'Harel of the stories - particularly, the one where he is captured by Andruil (to bed her, no less), and then is fought over between Andruil and Anasis, where he escapes only by outwitting them both, is such a strong metaphor for how Briala intends to deal with Celene and Gaspard - and the real Fen'Harel could not give a toss.

 

I actually want to slap Solas. What could possibly be more important than freeing the elves from poverty, from slavery, from the chokehold human nobility has over them? How else could you make things better? What other people could there possibly be? Urggghhh. It reminds me how much I hate how snobby Solas can be - like, he has so little faith in most elves, like they're beneath him, it's insulting. It makes me wonder how much better the elven nobility were than the human nobility were - and that the problem here is less so elves vs. humans, and much more so class.

 

Which does make me think - Felassan makes a point of saying that the elves had an entire empire once - and everything that comes with having an empire, including the servants who had to scrub the floors. His support of Fen'Harel, presumably, comes from the fact that he's a member of the nobility who cared less about the nobility, if not openly supported the lower classes in revolt (most of his stories are about tricking his social peers rather than starting mass revolutions, but I digress). I wonder if Felassan is reading too much into the stories - judging by Solas' contempt towards contemporary elves' attempts at freeing themselves - and perhaps Fen'Harel was much more in support of the nobility than Felassan supposes? After all, Solas does have an amicable relationship with Mythal, and holds great regret about the fate of much of the pantheon - likely, his involvement was reluctant. Perhaps he romanticises some of that, now that so much time has gone by, now that things are so much worse in his eyes?

 

Which in turn makes me scared if Solas' actual goal is to restore the Elvehan Empire as it was. I think that's a terrifying prospect and I think even my Lavellen would pause before considering it.


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The dragon speculation made me watch the trailer again. I'm okay, really. I'm not sure if those are multiple nostrils on a mutant dragon or some sort of paint or color pattern. If the dragon was originally roped by the qunari to use on their behalf, maybe it's a type of vitaar. I can't really make it out very clearly though.



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Solas casting a meteor shower on top of the enemy is SO badass

 

Edit: Top Solas image from Solas-an

 

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Dang he looks hot there.  

 

I so very much want to start a Solavellan game (again), but I won't be able to handle it if we don't get a happy ending.  So I wait for spoilers.  :(



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Thanks. I have seen the beginning of the Josephine romance on my previous playthrough (though I didn't take it), so I do know when it would come. I guess the only question is how would flirting with them both affect the things like the dance at the Ball.

Have you had the scene in the fade with Solas yet right after getting to Skyhold? If so, and you didn't initiate a romance, I believe you're locked out. 

 

Forgot to mention that I just thought of it =3=



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This isn't Solas' dragon... right?  

 

It can't be.  

 

....right?

 

If it was, I suspect the Inquisitor would have questions much sooner. Such as: were you a dragon a second ago? Unless he just kind of follows the party around as a dragon for a while before putting his pelts back on.

 

Although goodness me, "Solas gets himself captured by Qunari as a dragon as part of his master plan" would certainly fall under "intriguing" (and might explain why his master plan required eating Mythal). :D



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I haven't gotten that far yet. My Lavellan playthrough was stalled a little while back. I was about ready to do In Hushed Whispers, and then I found out how Leliana's hardening/softening mechanic worked from my Trevelyan playthrough that was further in, so I felt like I had to go back 10 hours and fix that for my second game. 


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SO I finished The Masked Empire (surprised it took me so little time).

Firstly: Felassan noooo :( :( :( (I mean, I read some spoilers, I knew this was coming, but he's even cooler than I expected - I would honestly go as far as willing to trade an existing companion so as to have him in DA:I. How could they kill Best elf? Urgh.)

Secondly, it's caused me to largely rethink my approach to Wicked Hearts - I'm not sure that I could reunite Briala and Celene in good conscience now. Not that I ever particularly trusted Celene, but I don't think she really ever valued Briala and was absolutely awful to her. I was surprised at the scholar in her - but her approach to suffering is so academic, it's so restrained, it's so lacking in empathy, and it's all something she'd sacrifice in order to hold power when threatened. I have a much higher opinion of Briala than before - she's constantly aware of the weird class & race politics of her position, and constantly questioning what she's doing (in a good way - like, she's highly conscious of the fact that she could slide into becoming a hypocrite, that she could lose touch).

Thirdly, given the amount of stories Felassan tells about Fen'Harel, in proper reverence of his reputation, and the amount the novel discusses who 'the people' are - it punishes (perhaps unfairly) the Dalish for having such a narrow view of 'us' and 'we', and celebrates Briala's attempts to fight for all elves - in that light, Solas' dismissal of Briala after Wicked Hearts becomes even more disappointing. Briala took so much from Fen'Harel of the stories - particularly, the one where he is captured by Andruil (to bed her, no less), and then is fought over between Andruil and Anasis, where he escapes only by outwitting them both, is such a strong metaphor for how Briala intends to deal with Celene and Gaspard - and the real Fen'Harel could not give a toss.

I actually want to slap Solas. What could possibly be more important than freeing the elves from poverty, from slavery, from the chokehold human nobility has over them? How else could you make things better? What other people could there possibly be? Urggghhh. It reminds me how much I hate how snobby Solas can be - like, he has so little faith in most elves, like they're beneath him, it's insulting. It makes me wonder how much better the elven nobility were than the human nobility were - and that the problem here is less so elves vs. humans, and much more so class.

Which does make me think - Felassan makes a point of saying that the elves had an entire empire once - and everything that comes with having an empire, including the servants who had to scrub the floors. His support of Fen'Harel, presumably, comes from the fact that he's a member of the nobility who cared less about the nobility, if not openly supported the lower classes in revolt (most of his stories are about tricking his social peers rather than starting mass revolutions, but I digress). I wonder if Felassan is reading too much into the stories - judging by Solas' contempt towards contemporary elves' attempts at freeing themselves - and perhaps Fen'Harel was much more in support of the nobility than Felassan supposes? After all, Solas does have an amicable relationship with Mythal, and holds great regret about the fate of much of the pantheon - likely, his involvement was reluctant. Perhaps he romanticises some of that, now that so much time has gone by, now that things are so much worse in his eyes?

Which in turn makes me scared if Solas' actual goal is to restore the Elvehan Empire as it was. I think that's a terrifying prospect and I think even my Lavellen would pause before considering it.

It took me ages to read all the way through the Masked Empire and at the end the only people I liked at all, besides Felassan, was Gaspard and Michel. Thats why I put him on the throne in my Lavellan playthrough.

I think they tried to make Celene (who I thought could have had a more sympathetic sounding voice actress) seem like she was doing bad things but for the good of the nation, but I never saw her as good people. She'd throw her own mother under the bus to save her own skin.

Briala isn't much better. And I also didn't much like her voice actress.

Anyway, I'm going to bed. Another day down, six to go.

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The dragon speculation made me watch the trailer again. I'm okay, really. I'm not sure if those are multiple nostrils on a mutant dragon or some sort of paint or color pattern. If the dragon was originally roped by the qunari to use on their behalf, maybe it's a type of vitaar. I can't really make it out very clearly though.

 

The red lines around the Dragon's body have the texture of rope. It's the same rope we see around some of the Qunari, so I definitely think the Dragon was captured by the Qunari at some point (it seems to turn on them eventually).

 

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 Anyway, I'm going to bed. Another day down, six to go.

 

Goodnight. We'll be here for all your losing it purposes tomorrow. :)

 

 

No, Cee, don't press play on that trailer again. Really, don't. I think I will go for a walk.



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The red lines around the Dragon's body have the texture of rope. It's the same rope we see around some of the Qunari, so I definitely think the Dragon was captured by the Qunari at some point (it seems to turn on them eventually).

 

Spoiler

 

Yeah, my first thought was that the ropes were Qunari 'armor' and not magical binding.  I'm not sure those aren't two sides of the same coin though, now that I've read through that article on knot magic.  Its horns look like they might have been sawn off as well, just like the sarebaas in DA2.

 

Anyway, timeline-wise, there's no way to know when the dragon actually shows up.  I doubt it's a full Mythal-style shapeshift, but it's possible it's infused with a fragment of his spirit, a la Corypheus.  That might explain why it turns on the Qunari, assuming it was bound and servile in the beginning.


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I haven't gotten that far yet. My Lavellan playthrough was stalled a little while back. I was about ready to do In Hushed Whispers, and then I found out how Leliana's hardening/softening mechanic worked from my Trevelyan playthrough that was further in, so I felt like I had to go back 10 hours and fix that for my second game. 

Oh ok good :) 

 

well it's something to keep in mind 



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Which in turn makes me scared if Solas' actual goal is to restore the Elvehan Empire as it was. I think that's a terrifying prospect and I think even my Lavellen would pause before considering it.

 

I highly doubt that he wants to restore the Empire as it was.  He did, after all, likely topple it.  He knows better than anyone else its flaws and perils.

 

I think the problem is that he suffers a fundamental disconnect between what he wants the modern elves to be, and what they actually are, and he's too proud to bridge that gap.  It's a touchy analogy (so hopefully no one gets too upset at me for using it), but he reminds me of the wealthier northern abolitionists before the US Civil War.  His heart is in the right place, but he has no idea what life is actually like for the people he's trying to help.  He sees only their suffering and fall from grace, not their strength, and certainly not their individuality.

 

Secondly, it's caused me to largely rethink my approach to Wicked Hearts - I'm not sure that I could reunite Briala and Celene in good conscience now. Not that I ever particularly trusted Celene, but I don't think she really ever valued Briala and was absolutely awful to her. I was surprised at the scholar in her - but her approach to suffering is so academic, it's so restrained, it's so lacking in empathy, and it's all something she'd sacrifice in order to hold power when threatened. I have a much higher opinion of Briala than before - she's constantly aware of the weird class & race politics of her position, and constantly questioning what she's doing (in a good way - like, she's highly conscious of the fact that she could slide into becoming a hypocrite, that she could lose touch).

 

Well, remember that Lavellan likely has no idea of what's been going on.  She probably knows what happened in large strokes, but not all the sordid details.  As for Celene, I found it very hard to like her too.  But my Lavellan figured that assassination was a bad precedent to set.  And the only way to help the elves if you don't assassinate Celene is to reconcile her to Briala.

 

I do waver between reconciling them and forcing all three to a truce, though.  I liked Briala in Masked Empire, but she was such a b**** in-game that I felt great glee forcing the three of them to eat humble pie and like it  :rolleyes:


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I do waver between reconciling them and forcing all three to a truce, though.  I liked Briala in Masked Empire, but she was such a b**** in-game that I felt great glee forcing the three of them to eat humble pie and like it  :rolleyes:

 

It was bizarre to do a second playthrough after reading ME.  Judging just from Wicked Hearts, I'd assumed that Celene was in her late 60s and that Briala was super-sketchy and unlikeable.  The game did a huge disservice to both of them.    :?  I don't like to bash VAs, but ugh.  


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Went to lab and back to do chores and mostly to calm down. 

 

Maybe it will all work out. Lavellan will become immortal and shortly after the game ending will move in with Solas. All the wolf pelts will mystriously disappear from his closet. They will both retire and focus on researching the fade and traveling. Tevinter will abolish slavery. The HoF will cure the Blight entirely. The pantheon will be set free and everyone will be friends with each other. Lavellan and Solas will atend their first pantheon sex party together in matching green outfits. 

 

Right?

 

I am so not ready for this to end  :crying:


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Just wanted to say, Chapter 12 for Doughnut Rebel is up. ;)


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Just wanted to say, Chapter 12 for Doughnut Rebel is up. ;)

 

Just what I needed :D



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The thing for everyone to remember in #Trespasser is that if you cry playing it, I probably cried making it.

 

....I need to borrow someone's flag for a bit. :(  Mine just got trampled on.   


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....I need to borrow someone's flag for a bit. :(  Mine just got trampled on.   

 

Well, sh*t.

 

Here, we can hide under mine, it's big enough for two.


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....I need to borrow someone's flag for a bit. :(  Mine just got trampled on.   

Here, take some!

 

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