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I must say that the wording is sort of suspicious, "you may not walk away completely satisfied, but you should walk away utterly intrigued".

You may not walk away completely satisfied.

Sounds like it depends on player perspective or in-game choices, "may" and "completely", perhaps somewhat satisfied?

I'm okay without somewhat, I'm scared of the "unsatisfied".

 

Yeah I mean... maybe they just realize "completely satisfied" would take 27 hours of Solas-centric cut scenes and three more games?

 

This is why I lurk here. Optimism.


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I NEED TO KNOW WHATS IN MAGIC OPRAH INTERVIEW WITH LAIDLAW. MUST knowwwwwwwwwwwww.



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Yeah I mean... maybe they just realize "completely satisfied" would take 27 hours of Solas-centric cut scenes and three more games?

 

This is why I lurk here. Optimism.

 

27 hours that include:

1. Solas & Lavellan chilling at his office, reading books.

2. Solas finishing the fresco.

3. Solas & Lavellan dream scenes.

4. Solas showing Lavellan some of the history of the Elvhen through the fade.

5. Solas helps Lavellan learn new hand magic.


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By the way, this is how I feel about all of you.

 

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For the past months since my feels needed an outlet and I decided to ignore my previous lurking experience I had and come into this thread.

 

While we attempt to maintain at least a little bit of our sanity with this wait. This weekend will feel so long, especially with the holiday in the US.


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I like Gaspard as a character, he's very well done. He is very racist, and for that my characters wouldn't get along with him, as well for the fact he is a warmonger which is something I disapprove of, but by the end of the book I kind of liked him. Still not sure if I would've liked him as a person though >_>

It's like I like Vivienne, as a character, she was written well after all, but I wouldn't get along with her for the life of me, she's a.. well, a b*tch.

 

Also, the game did Briala injustice, she's so cute in the book >3<

 

Will never love Gaspard, nor let the racist bastard live. He has "Chevalier honor" only when it suits him, and just has the biggest ego ever, wanting to make war and spread filthy colonialism whenever he can. Will never not love Briala, nor try to let her better the conditions of elves the best way she can. And the best and safest way for her to do that, is to rule with Celene.

 

The game did injustice to both Briala and Gaspard. In the game, Gaspard's just a warmongering thug (and a rather stupid one at that), and Briala comes across as... simply cold, a bit too ruthless.

 

I understand you needed blackmail material for Briala, but it leads me to wonder whether her character changed so drastically since TME (i.e. she started to sell out), or whether it was a goof on the writers' part. In the book she's really passionate about helping the elves, her intentions are genuinely very noble ones, but she also doesn't apologise for Celene's inaction either - seeing it as the worst of two options - and eventually lets go when Celene is no better than Gaspard (in fact, probably worse). I think in future I'll probably just let her rule.

 

As for Gaspard, couldn't really stand him in the game - I think on my first playthrough I hadn't long completed Origins, so there was a teeny tiny Loghain voice at the back of my head going 'I TOLD YOU SO, I TOLD YOU ORLESIANS WERE TRASH'. And in the game, Gaspard is, indeed, trash - he sees power as his birthright, and is like a child whose toy has been stolen from them. He's intent on expanding Orlais like in the glory years aka. sending in Chevaliers in to destroy people's homes and torment the locals. Yay, colonialism. In real life, medieval knights and soldiers caused all sorts of trouble when not at war - they acted like bandits, and would murder and rape common people. Gaspard is an interesting reflection of that. It's just in the book you see that he's a) actually intelligent, and B) has some kind of sense of honour. I finished the book with an odd respect for him... if still, hating the fact that he's incredibly racist and thinks invading other countries makes for good sport. I wish they'd got across some of the more admirable qualities without apologising for his politics or his demeanour.

 

Celene is just vile. I don't think the book made too many apologies for her. I think she attempts to use scholarly cultural pursuits - theatre, universities, balls, banquets - as a social good, presenting herself as some kind of reformer, forgetting that culture is often pretty useless to people who have no bread and coin. (This is not to say that peasants and working people don't have poetry, art, songs, etc. of their own - on the contrary, it's a pretty rich tradition - but it's hardly the way to make their social standing better). She seems like a "decent" enough peacetime ruler,  but in the event of a crisis (and there have been several), she's been pretty ineffective, pretending things are going as normal - I think one of your companions spells it out well, she lead Orlais to this point.

 

This just makes me wish the 'save Orlais' arc was more detailed and we'd gotten to know the parties involved a bit more. I know the exalted plains served as a bit of a prelude, introducing the impact of the war, but I'd like to have visited Halamshiral proper - I'd like to have seen the burnt down quarter of the city, and spoken to the elves who recount the uprising. Definitely don't think the game capitalised enough on the book.


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Guys :) Ashe is awesome :D

 

 

That really is Teagan? He has not aged well  :o  I know its been many years but...Daaayum.



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I NEED TO KNOW WHATS IN MAGIC OPRAH INTERVIEW WITH LAIDLAW. MUST knowwwwwwwwwwwww.

 

I have a meeting to get through first, but I can listen to it in about a couple of hours.



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For those wondering and unable to watch, absolutely no mention is made of Solas, so never fear. Or fear a lot. Whichever. <_<


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I'm listening to it now but it's 20+ minutes long and I'm working at the same time, so can't really break it down piece by piece.

 

But he's just been saying it's bigger than the past DLCs, and feels bigger due to the emphasis on narrative and the follower content.

 

They played with 'a possibly last adventure with friends' as an idea to explore. Not just reuniting your team but they may also be wondering if you're okay too. etc


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I NEED TO KNOW WHATS IN MAGIC OPRAH INTERVIEW WITH LAIDLAW. MUST knowwwwwwwwwwwww.

 

A couple of things 

Spoiler

 

That's what I managed to pick out. 

 

Why do I keep feeling nervous? I'm scared for all of my companions  :crying:


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27 hours that include:

1. Solas & Lavellan chilling at his office, reading books.

2. Solas finishing the fresco.

3. Solas & Lavellan dream scenes.

4. Solas showing Lavellan some of the history of the Elvhen through the fade.

5. Solas helps Lavellan learn new hand magic.

 

6. Solas and Lavellan eating cake.

7. Solas playing the lute and singing serenades to Lavellan. (We established he can sing, right?)

8. Solas and Lavellan cuddling by the fireplace.

9. Solas and Lavellan cuddling by the campfire (after other companions went to bed).

10. Solas painting or drawing Lavellan.

11. Lavellan taking Solas to meet her clan. (Drama!)

12. Solas taking Lavellan to meet his spirit friends.

13. Solas and Lavellan playing naked Wicked Grace (bonus mini-game within the game). 

14. Solas and Lavellan shopping in Val Royeaux.

 

Yeah, I won't be completely satisfied until I get everything on this list :P

 

Or, I'll just be happy with a hint that they end up together one day. And a hug. Please, a hug!


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I NEED TO KNOW WHATS IN MAGIC OPRAH INTERVIEW WITH LAIDLAW. MUST knowwwwwwwwwwwww.

Off the top of my head:

 

• He didn't say anything about Solas

• We leave Skyhold entirely when we start the DLC at the war table (or however we start the dlc) and will not be back there at any point. So, we'll never know if the renovations ever finish. (Time to headcanon someone fixed the holes int eh wall on the way to the war room, I suppose.)

• Every area used in this DLC was newly made for this DLC. We don't go to any previously visited places, barring the Winter Palace, but even that is now in the day time and a different section of the palace. 

• Full crafting facilities, storage access, merchant, and new gold nug and wardrobe feature access in Winter Palace starting area. (Specifically, you can change your clothes from the  nutcracker outfit shown in the trailer to something else for those scenes that will show that clothing via new wadrobe. Though, you can only do this after at least one initial scene, so you do start off in the nutcracker outfit.)

• With the above said, Mike did recommend you make sure your party is outfitted before you actually start the DLC from Skyhold. Possibly this indicates it starts with a fight? Or at least starts where you won't be able to enter the area of the Palace with crafting facilities right away.

• You can't continue the game after the DLC is over. Its got an end and will not drop you back into open world.


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A couple of things 

Spoiler

 

That's what I managed to pick out. 

 

Why do I keep feeling nervous? I'm scared for all of my companions  :crying:

 

Sometimes I get this feeling in my stomach that bubbles up with fear and panic and then I have to tamper it down with optimism and that's basically 75 times a day.

 

The thread title is much too happy for the things I've been feeling.


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How does Teagan look so....aged? It has been 15 years since DAO by Trespasser I guess, but....really?

 

Also, going back to people thinking they rendered Celene looking super old. One thing I was really surprised to find out in WoT2 was that Wynne in DAO was supposed to be around 48. I could have sworn grandma mage lady was at least 60.

 

*sighs thinking of the happy, sweet romance content other people will probably have and then all of us waiting until we get to see Solas again....and probably to some bittersweet conclusion*


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• You can't continue the game after the DLC is over. Its got an end and will not drop you back into open world.

 

Sooo...we get to wander off with Solas and become elvhen gods together? :D


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Sometimes I get this feeling in my stomach that bubbles up with fear and panic and then I have to tamper it down with optimism and that's basically 75 times a day.

 

I keep picking a new thing to worry about each day on this countdown. Today it's Iron Bull. DON'T BETRAY ME AND YOUR CHARGERS, DUDE.

 

Another few interview points -

 

Trespasser is apparently very rich in lore of the DA universe. The adventure is bigger than the companion stuff which allows them to make something a bit more final and 'punchy'

 - this was when comparing it to the Mass Effect Citadel DLC.

 

- Those new bard songs that were recorded will be showing up

 

About that mystery Orelsian guy with Viv and Teagan

- His identity is Spoilers (of course xD) but apparently he's a callback to another element over the Orelsian culture we have. People who played through DA2 will recognise some element of that. He's there as the counterpoint representative to Ferelden. Teagan is there to show Ferelden is more than the Monarchy ruling. 


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*sighs thinking of the happy, sweet romance content other people will probably have and then all of us waiting until we get to see Solas again....and probably to some bittersweet conclusion*

 

I would argue that by now, those of us who have decided to stick with Solas for our Lavellans probably shouldn't be surprised if things aren't sunshine and rainbows for them.  We've had almost a year to change our minds and romance someone else instead, but we keep coming back to that stupid pajama elf :D


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Oh, a few other bits:

 

• They won't have content for characters you broke up with. Example used was breaking up with Sera after drinking from the Well of Sorrows. So, no "we used to date, let's talk like exes" stuff. Am personally wondering if this also applies to a Cullen you romanced, but told to continue taking lyrium. Mike didn't say it, but I think its pretty obvious that Solas is the exception here since you can't NOT "break up" with him.

• No Scout Harding content, apparently. He knows she's popular and pointed out she got a lot of content in JoH and a bit in Descent. Said writers wanted to focus on the party.

 

 

How does Teagan look so....aged? It has been 15 years since DAO by Trespasser I guess, but....really?

Yeah, I don't see Teagan in that guy from the trailer at all. I mean, the hat doesn't help, but still. At least in DA2 it still looked like Teagan. Maybe it will be different in game, though.


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No Skyhold, huh? So it really was useless after all the overtures of it being a special ancient place???  So was it a red herring? 

 

I am actually kind of excited it for this.  IT does sound like...the Inquisitor may be dead.  Or disappear into the ether.  My LAVELLAN - if you go out, you're going out like a champ.   And imma making the most beautiful RIP THIS BABY ANGEL BLINGEE that this world has ever seen. 


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Wait... Teagan is in the DLC?

Also, I just completed in Hushed Whispers. I had to do last minute shopping for my daughters birthday tomorrow so I have fallen behind in this play through. I really hope I can get it done by Tuesday D:

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About that mystery Orelsian guy with Viv and Teagan

- His identity is Spoilers (of course xD) but apparently he's a callback to another element over the Orelsian culture we have. People who played through DA2 will recognise some element of that. He's there as the counterpoint representative to Ferelden. Teagan is there to show Ferelden is more than the Monarchy ruling. 

I'm wondering if this means that this guy is trade partners with that orlesian in Hightown who ran the Bone Pit or something. I mean the only other bit of "Orlesian culture" I can think of that we don't really have represented in the person of a single character is the chevaliers, maybe? But I don't know how THAT would tie in to DA2.


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Guys :) Ashe is awesome :D

 

 

I'm going to run out of likes so early in the day.

 

An interesting point I noticed - Descent will show different approaches to the Inquisition, in comparison to the main game which is wholly positive, and there's tension between that viewpoint and the cracks that show two years since its purpose was fulfilled. Mike specifically compared it to the Krogan arc in ME - on the one hand, you'll get given a reason to help them, and on the other side, you'll be reminded they nearly took over the galaxy, and this back-and-forth is repeated until the player is given a choice etc.

 

Descent will also involve the Inquisitor making a decision about the fate of the Inquisition after being given those different arguments (meaning we can probably decide to dissolve the Inquisition if needed - I wonder if we can opt to give our anchors back to Solas, then?).

 

Finally, TME actually won't feature much in the game :( Which is a shame, I kind of hoped Briala's eluvian network would, er, go somewhere plotwise? :\

 

The rest of the interview was mostly details about practical things - crafting, changing outfits - and Mike re-emphasising this is an end-of-the-game DLC, it functions as an epilogue.

 

I'm looking forward to the brand new environments more than anything, I reckon.


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Surprising that we won't see any Skyhold. Perhaps because they don't want to fix that wall? But the rest seems about what I expected. While its interesting to write things from an 'exromance' perspective, I'd definitely rather they spend the time and budget making the romance/friendship/[possible rivalry'] content more fulfilling. 

 

I don't doubt, at least with Solas, you'll be able to say that you've moved on for people who headcanon going on to another romance.



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Qunari aren't the only enemy that you'll face either, he hinted. So, maybe there are going to be other baddies too? Wonder who they could be...



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Guys :) Ashe is awesome :D

 

 

What does that mean, "presuming we do another one"?

I've heard that the new game hasn't been greenlighted yet :<

But we don't know too many thingsssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss