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hey just got the patch. The outfits are great (i swear those outerwear ones look super elven but i guess I'm just such elven trash that i'm starting to imagine things). I can't find the nug though and i've been running around everywhere looking for it. My multiplayer works so I guess that must mean I'm connected to the servers. I don't know why it didn't show up. 

 

Any advice? 

 

(also i went to reddit to spoil myself. the spoils are real. and amazing. and horrible. but they made me more hopeful for the solas future so in case you didn't check it out don't be worried) 


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hey just got the patch. The outfits are great (i swear those outerwear ones look super elven but i guess I'm just such elven trash that i'm starting to imagine things). I can't find the nug though and i've been running around everywhere looking for it. My multiplayer works so I guess that must mean I'm connected to the servers. I don't know why it didn't show up. 

 

Any advice? 

 

(also i went to reddit to spoil myself. the spoils are real. and amazing. and horrible. but they made me more hopeful for the solas future so in case you didn't check it out don't be worried) 

 

You need a post story save for the nug.


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#114853
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I'm beginning to wonder if the other factions of this fandom are succumbing to the same level of madness as Team Solas.

Wolf Pack ftw.
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#114854
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....This is going to be one hell of a week. Gawd.

 

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#114855
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You need a post story save for the nug.

ooooooh. thanks! :) 


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Hawke: As you said, accidentally. Plus the seal holding Corypheus at bay was weakening, so he was getting out one way or the other. And Hawke made sure that he was dead, obviously not knowing he could resurrect himself. 

Josephine: Not even close to murder. Accidentally kills a man while defending herself from said man. 

Leliana: No arguments there. 

Cole: True, though that brings up the whole child defense of them not knowing right from wrong. 

Merrill: Took every precaution and caused no destruction. It was the Keeper who caused all the problems. 

Anders: Definitely no arguments there. But you are able to stop him from causing more. 

Warden: That is optional content. 

 

Solas gave an orb to Corypheus for him to unlock it for Solas since he was too weak after his slumber. He knew very well that Corypheus didn't have good intentions since he knows who and what Corypheus is. Then he murders Flemeth/Mythal to steal her power to add to his own and now is going to continue his mission and considering he is the Dread Wolf that is most likely not a good thing. 

 

No need to apologize. You are one of the few civil people here, not using gigs or straight up insults. 

 

Read above please.

 

I have yet to be disrespectful to people who have not been disrespectful first, and the time I was I immediately edited since I saw it was being disrespectful and didn't want that.

 

Josie says herself that she knew she could've not killed him if she'd used her voice instead of her fists.

 

As for the Warden yes, it's optinal but also triggers automatically if you take the wrong turning past Sten's cage (speaking of Sten: murdered several familes).

 

Bianca says she gave the location of the Red Lyrium to a Grey Warden mage (Larius in my game) implying that Cory was using one of the Legacy bodies as a meatsack for ages.  Solas may have thought him to be an unsually powerful mage, and not realised he was one of the magisters.  Or he was just too full of pride to think a human, even one like Cory, could unlock the full power of Orb.

 

As for Flemythal - even before the dev notes were found there was debate about what happened in the ending.  When I first watched it (no spoilers, not dataminded dev notes) I saw it as Flemth allowing Solas to kill her and take her power.  Solas even says 'I should pay the price'.  The impression I got was that, whatever the price was, Mythal was the one the pay it - whether Solas liked it or not.

 

Uh, stop please?  Could have done without that sentence, thanks.

 

Sorry, Honeypot, I have to agree.



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I'm beginning to wonder if the other factions of this fandom are succumbing to the same level of madness as Team Solas.

Wolf Pack ftw.

-resists urge to say we are no longer a one man wolf pack-

Dang hang over references
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#114858
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Oh my, I'm almost at Skyhold, now! Gosh, I really hope I can finish this game before the DLC drops. :crying:


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(also i went to reddit to spoil myself. the spoils are real. and amazing. and horrible. but they made me more hopeful for the solas future so in case you didn't check it out don't be worried) 

 

Agreed, I found them to be pretty optimistic and, if I'm understanding them correctly, thinking that BioWare may have heard our "WHERE ARE THE FLIPPING CHOICES?!" rants.


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Oh my, I'm almost at Skyhold, now! Gosh, I really hope I can finish this game before the DLC drops. :crying:

You can do it!
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Delphine has been banned until tomorrow. FYI.

Nothing like being banned the week before the end.

#114862
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Agreed, I found them to be pretty optimistic and, if I'm understanding them correctly, thinking that BioWare may have hear our "WHERE ARE THE FLIPPING CHOICES?!" rants.

Exactly!! I think we might get a "happy" romance ending. Maybe not in the same way as everyone else, but somehow. 

 

Everybody keep calm  :D

 

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sip

 

Still it`s all you think happened, we don`t really know what happened. And how much Solas is responsible. So, let`s not throw a rock until we are sure who is the one we should blame =)


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....This is going to be one hell of a week. Gawd.

 

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Beaker is actually the perfect muppet to describe my mood since Saturday...


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Exactly!! I think we might get a "happy" romance ending. Maybe not in the same way as everyone else, but somehow. 
 
Everybody keep calm  :D
 
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There is nothing calm about that Optimism Flag.

I'm predicting full scale riots over the weekend.

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There is nothing calm about that Optimism Flag.

I'm predicting full scale riots over the weekend.

 

.....I fully expect quite a few of  pages of the thread in Wednesday/Thursday to be interlaced with this:
 

 

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

 

BWAAAAA!!

 

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!!


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So, I checked out that spoiler. Don't worry, I put my reaction into a spoiler.

Spoiler


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There is nothing calm about that Optimism Flag.

I'm predicting full scale riots over the weekend.

ssssshhhhhh caaaalmmmmmm 

 

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Yes, because how dare someone want the person responsible for many terrible things to be brought to justice or stopped from causing even more damage. 

 

If you want someone to respond genuinely to this, then I'm game. If this post ends up being over a thousand words long, dare I say you did bring it on yourself for requesting a serious discussion. I'm a very boring person, I know. (p.s. I'm not a philosophy student, and I'm not an expert in ethics. If you are, I'm really really sorry).

 

Firstly, I'm going to question your use of "many". So far, we only know that Solas directly caused one bad thing - giving Corypheus the orb. Indirectly, many bad things have been caused by Corypheus since he gained the orbs power - he opened the breach, killed many members of the chantry, the templar order, and the former circles, introduced red lyrium usage into the templar order, managed to enslave half of the mages under the arms of a Tevinter supremacist cult, and encouraged fighting between templar-mage factions which left many destitute and penniless. I could go on and on - but that's half the events of Inquisiton. Either, indirectly, 'many bad things' is an adequate description. Since the breach, Corypheus has been the cause of lots of war, death, and poverty - serious bad things.

 

We come to our first dilemma. Do we hold Solas responsible for his direct actions - giving the Corypheus the orb - or do we hold him responsible for both his direct and his indirect actions?

 

Solas' direct action was mostly harmless when isolated from what it caused in turn - he gave Corypheus an object of great power. I think this approach to ethics can be very limited. For one, Corypheus is someone of dubious moral character. For two, the orb is an object that can cause devastating consequences, and any intelligent person (which Solas claims to be) needs to either a) trust the recipient not to cause those consequences, or B) control the recipient's use of the object somehow. Only blaming Solas for his direct action is equitable to giving a small child a loaded gun, and saying it is the child's or the gun's fault for their death. Because the orb has a great amount of power - it's not like giving Corypheus a bauble - and because Corypheus is not particularly trustworthy (although we don't know what access to information about Corypheus Solas had when he gave him the orb, but we safely can assume he is not trustworthy) - we should therefore assign some level of blame on Solas for that direct action (even in ignorance of the indirect action that he caused).

 

However, unlike a parent giving a small child a loaded gun - where the parent is quite knowledgable of the parameters, they know what a gun is, they know how it works, they know their child has a limited knowledge of guns, they know their child is curious, and thus they've figured out, without thinking too hard, that it's a horrendously stupid risk - we cannot assume the same of Solas. We blame the parent for the child's death because of that knowledge; can we fairly do the same for Solas?

 

If we are judging based solely on direct action - then I think we can correctly accuse Solas of being incredibly stupid. But given the limited knowledge he had about Corypheus, and (I assume) some plan of controlling and directing his actions, not necessarily malicious. I think giving a child a loaded gun can be potentially interpreted as a malicious action - there's one obvious bad consequence of that, someone innocent gets shot, therefore, unless you're ignorant of the parameters, or want an innocent to get shot (which is a malicious action), you don't give a child a gun.

 

Why am I making a point of looking at Solas' intentions? Surely the most important things are consequences? (That's a matter of fierce debate, but yes, for the moment, I'll happily concede consequences are more important, because I agree, although I think in general when people have good intentions those lead to better actions). Because we're talking about responsibility. Justice. Is Solas as responsible for Corypheus' actions? About as responsible as Hawke was for letting him out, not knowing that Corypheus was immortal and could take over wardens' bodies, probably. Lack of malicious intent, and likely ignorance, rules out the possibility that we should judge Solas for the entirety of the events of Inquisition as if they were his direct actions.

 

You could argue: should a god know better? We could get into a debate about what godhood and divinity is there quite quickly (since that varies massively even in existing religions), so I might just say for the moment that he's just a very old, powerful mage. When 'normal' people are able to bend the rules of physics via magic, the distinction between magic and miracle becomes much harder to discern anyway.

 

So - I think, given the risk involved in the direct action, Solas should be held partially - partially - responsible for his indirect actions, although Corypheus' actions should not be treated as if they were his own.

 

You could probably argue now that given that he's got a partial responsibility for what happened, why should you cut off his head? At which point, I'd concede the argument, and just ask you exactly how useful would that be? If you seek justice, you already got to wipe Corypheus from existence. Is that not enough?

 

As for the latter half of your claim 'stopped from causing more damage', we don't know what Solas' plans are or what he intends to change. We know that he's wholly committed to his cause, and that cause involves helping 'the people'. We don't know anything beyond that. It may not even be harmful. Anything else is really just conjecture. I think to kill him for 'potentially being dangerous' without much evidence at all is a pretty nasty precedent to set as a lawmaker. I mean, if you Inquisitor is an ass, or suspicious, fair play, but hardly the moral highground.


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Why hate Solas? 

Because he "gave" the orb to Coryfish?  We don't know why he did. Until we know why there is no reason to hate.

Because he broke our hearts? He didn't want to. You can plainly see his heart is broken too. He has to have a pretty good reason. Again...We don't know why.

Because he's racist? Look at the time he is from. Look at how things used to be. Imagine you wake up hundreds, maybe thousands of hearts into the future or maybe even the past. Things are going to be WAY different.

Because he's bald?  Well that's just horrible of you. Judging people because of the way they look.

Because he's "The Dread Wolf", "The Trickster God"?  We don't even know why he got those names to begin with, not really.

 

We really don't know anything!!

 

That's all I can think of.

 

 

Edit: Oh yeah.  Because he "killed" Flemeth/Mythal?  Again..we don't know that.


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There is nothing calm about that Optimism Flag.

I'm predicting full scale riots over the weekend.

Time to set up shop and get my stock ready then. As a peace offering.

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Time to set up shop and get my stock ready then. 

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I take one cotton candy to drown myself in sweet, sweet nothings once the DLC hits.

How much will this cost? A cup or a bucket of fan tears? I really don't know how much the price increased during the last few months...



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So, I checked out that spoiler. Don't worry, I put my reaction into a spoiler.

Spoiler

 

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I'm not sure what I missed while I slept for an hour but nevermind.

 

Evie, you're awfully persistent....and mean.

 

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I'm not very good with words or describing things. :unsure:


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