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[drosophila]

And if its not what we define schizophrenia as anymore, its something else. I think disphoric personality disorder? Or something like that. Point is, that explanation for the uncertainty around Falon'Din and Dirthamen's relationship would be an interesting scenario to me, was all I was saying.

 

If I had to venture a (bad) guess based on the very little we know, it would be Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID, a.k.a. 'split personality'), which a lot of people doubt actually exists IRL, even if it has inspired many fictional works. 

 

But... Let's stay out of the DSM when crafting theories for now, if only because there could be some among us who have struggled with or know a loved one who has struggled with mental illness. 

[Nightspirit]

I can't stop staring at Lavellan's butt in this new outfit.

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[Wahed89]

I have a question about Solas and wondered if there was an answer, or at least some theories on it. Is Solas to Fen'harel what Flemeth is to Mythal? By that I mean, is Solas literally, physically and wholly Fen'harel or was Solas another individual elf from another time who somehow became one with Fen'harel? If it is the latter I would be really interested to know his backstory, before Fen'harel. I lean towards him being a separate individual originally. But it is confusing as he talks about the past from two different perspectives, sometimes from the perspective of experience and other times from learning.

 

I also wonder about the spot him and Flemeth met at the end. The statues beside the eluvian, it almost seems romantic. Like it was "their" place, together.

[drosophila]

I can't stop staring at Lavellan's butt in this new outfit.

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Solas greatly approves.

 

[nikkylee]

I can't stop staring at Lavellan's butt in this new outfit.

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I stuck mine in the other color of this outfit. I was checking her out a little myself. Side benefits indeed.

[Jayla]

... You guys are aware that by "cool" I did not mean "Yay, mental illness! Let's poke them/him with a stick!", right?

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I have a friend who has paranoid schizophrenia, and as far as I'm aware that's still how it's referred as.

 

I got the point you were making when you first said it. I can't count how many police procedurals or any TV show that involves serial killers also have their villains suffer from - you guessed it - paranoid schizophrenia, and these people don't seem to get a ton of backlash. I think given the skill of the BioWare writers they could handle the disorder with care and respect.

 

To an extent, I agree and think it would be an interesting idea. On the other hand, I'm still sticking with my theory that they're a elf/spirit combo. Not evidence that's what their relationship is, I just like it. x)

[Giton]

... You guys are aware that by "cool" I did not mean "Yay, mental illness! Let's poke them/him with a stick!", right?

 

I meant "cool" as in: "That would be a clever explanation for a legend mentioning two people who are linked so closely that the legend itself says 'They might as well be brothers except they aren't, but they're also not not brothers. They're this weird amalgam we can't explain.' The two of them actually having been the same person, with that explanation lost to the mists of time and legend, would be interesting."

 

I also wasn't specifying how someone should feel about them/him, if this was the case. Personally, he might have my sympahty, he might not. It would depend on the circumstances and what event/action I'm supposed to be offering my sympathy about exactly.

 

As for the correct term, if its not what we define schizophrenia anymore, then its something else. I think I saw disphoric personality disorder? Or something like that. Point is, you guys know the type of scenario I mean.

 

Having it as an explanation for the uncertainty around Falon'Din and Dirthamen's relationship would be an interesting scenario to me, was all I was saying.

 

 

I disagree.

 

Mental illness is not something that responsible writers use to add interest to a character. Moreover, discourse such as the above is part of a larger problem of attaching mental illness to explain character traits without due consideration.

[Cee]

Noo, why do you do this to yourself? Go listen to... I don't know, "Sing"? Actually, you know what, as long as you're listening to Ed Sheeran, you're doomed.

 

I was listening to the whole X album. Though I'm not doing much better now that I have Regina Spektor on.

 

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"Better"

If I kiss you where it's sore
If I kiss you where it's sore
Will you feel better, better, better
Will you feel anything at all
Will you feel better, better, better
Will you feel anything at all

Born like sisters to this world
In a town where blood ties are only blood
If you never say your name out loud to anyone
They can never ever call you by it

If I kiss you where it's sore
If I kiss you where it's sore
Will you feel better, better, better
Will you feel anything at all
Will you feel better, better, better
Will you feel anything at all

You're getting sadder, getting sadder, getting sadder, getting sadder
And I don't understand, and I don't understand
But if I kiss you where it's sore
If I kiss you where it's sore
Will you feel better, better, better
Will you feel anything at all
Will you feel better, better, better
Will you feel anything at all
Anything at all
Will you feel anything at all
Anything at all
Will you feel anything at all
Anything at all...

 

 

 

 

[Ulv Elskeren]

Here you go

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Ahh, gotcha.  I always took that as Elgar'nan, re-appropriated after the fact by the Chantry.   The fact that darkspawn stick a dragon skull on his head and bind a lightning crescent to his back is Mighty Suspicious.

[Ajna]

I can't stop staring at Lavellan's butt in this new outfit.

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Is that...NS are you going there? Whyyy are you going through that again?

[Jayla]

I have a question about Solas and wondered if there was an answer, or at least some theories on it. Is Solas to Fen'harel what Flemeth is to Mythal? By that I mean, is Solas literally, physically and wholly Fen'harel or was Solas another individual elf from another time who somehow became one with Fen'harel? If it is the latter I would be really interested to know his backstory, before Fen'harel. I lean towards him being a separate individual originally. But it is confusing as he talks about the past from two different perspectives, sometimes from the perspective of experience and other times from learning.

 

I also wonder about the spot him and Flemeth met at the end. The statues beside the eluvian, it almost seems romantic. Like it was "their" place, together.

 

The simple answer is we don't know, but a lot of people lean towards Solas and Fen'harel being one and the same. I think either could be interesting, but I know some people can be wigged out by how the person they think they know (Solas) isn't actually anyone at all.

 

There's a theory going around that Fen'harel "possesses" the body of an elf called Felassan, who was in The Masked Empire. This is disputed though, as there's a number of instances where a character who knew/saw Felassan also see Solas and don't seem to recognise him. So unless some kind of facial reconstruction goes on with a possession of an elf from a god, then it's unlikely he is. x)

 

And yep, I didn't notice it before, but that little area does seem quite secluded, and the fact Mythal knew it was The Dread Wolf immediately does impose some impression that that is their place. Good observation!

[drosophila]

I was listening to the whole X album. Though I'm not doing much better now that I have Regina Spektor on.

 

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"Better"

If I kiss you where it's sore
If I kiss you where it's sore
Will you feel better, better, better
Will you feel anything at all
Will you feel better, better, better
Will you feel anything at all

Born like sisters to this world
In a town where blood ties are only blood
If you never say your name out loud to anyone
They can never ever call you by it

If I kiss you where it's sore
If I kiss you where it's sore
Will you feel better, better, better
Will you feel anything at all
Will you feel better, better, better
Will you feel anything at all

You're getting sadder, getting sadder, getting sadder, getting sadder
And I don't understand, and I don't understand
But if I kiss you where it's sore
If I kiss you where it's sore
Will you feel better, better, better
Will you feel anything at all
Will you feel better, better, better
Will you feel anything at all
Anything at all
Will you feel anything at all
Anything at all
Will you feel anything at all
Anything at all...

 

 

 

 

 

The lyrics of that are really not helping 

 

Listen to this instead. In fact, I dedicate this song to all Solasmancers!

 

[Ulv Elskeren]

Loki? No. At best Loki is similar to how elven lore sees Fen'Harel - someone who does mischief for the sake of mischief or for sewing destruction.

 

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Agreed on all of this.   It's worth noting that Promethus was a 'trickster' of sorts as well, though.  He helps humanity by tricking the gods into accepting the inedible parts of animals as offerings, giving Zeus the choice between a cow's stomach he'd hidden choice cuts of meat inside or bones wrapped in 'tempting' fat.   It's a very Slow Arrow tactic, outwitting a power he can't confront directly for the benefit of the people.

 

And of course, paying the price.   Definite Solas parallel there.

 

What I find really interesting is that Prometheus is a Titan, one the older generation of Gods before the Greek Pantheon comes to power.   With all the parallels between Elgar'nan and Zeus, added to Prometheus' role in helping Zeus take power from Cronos, and having the Pantheon later turn on him...  hmm.

[midnight tea]

Agreed on all of this.   It's worth noting that Promethus was a 'trickster' of sorts as well, though.  He helps humanity by tricking the gods into accepting the inedible parts of animals as offerings, giving Zeus the choice between a cow's stomach he'd hidden choice cuts of meat inside or bones wrapped in 'tempting' fat.   It's a very "slow arrow" tactic, outwitting a power he can't confront directly for the benefit of the people.

 

...and of course, paying the price.   Definite Solas parallel there.

 

Yup. And there's the element of not heeding to his wise advice as well - after all, he warned his brother Epimetheus about Pandora and her box. What's even sadder, according to Hesiod, Pandora was Zeus revenge on humanity AND Prometheus for stealing the fire.

[Janic99]

I was planning on making a new video when trespasser is released and I have recorded it all using this song:

[Nightspirit]

Is that...NS are you going there? Whyyy are you going through that again?

 

I.. I absolutely love the Crestwood scene. The animation, music, voice acting, the overall atmosphere... beautiful, just beautiful. I usually make a save and replay it several times in a row, picking different dialogue options.

This time I replayed it to see the new outfit in action. The mighty butt grab had clipping issues.

[midnight tea]

What I find really interesting is that Prometheus is a Titan, one the older generation of Gods before the Greek Pantheon comes to power.   With all the parallels between Elgar'nan and Zeus, added to Prometheus' role in helping Zeus actually take power from Cronos, and having Zeus later turn on him...  hmm.

 

Even better is a parallel between spirits/demons from the Fade and Greek daimones, which in ancient Greece was a (neutral) name for... well.. spirits/beings with divine power.

 

Add to that the fact that according to many Greek myths the daimones were the first generations of gods... or well, super-powerful beings, which even Olympians themselves were afraid (like Moros or Nyx).

 

Then there's the fact that many daimones are personifications - many of them personifications of emotions. Which one was supposed to be the fist one (or one of the first ones), that emerged from primordial chaos?

Eros - in other words: desire.

 

Which emotion Solas says in the Fade under Adamant is the oldest, older even than Fear itself? Desire.

[Jayla]

The mighty butt grab had clipping issues.

 

Thank you. Unless mods are fixed soon I know to go to that scene in the awful beige PJs. ^^

[MayriyaNoori]

I don't know if anyone else has pointed this out, but it seems that CapricornSun/Sunny is doing an art giveaway on Tumblr! http://sunnyartthings.tumblr.com/

 

Congrats on 500 followers!

[Caddius]

Isn't there a similar eluvian below the deep roads in Descent?

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I have a question about DA:O for you. Have you been to the deep roads yet? Why are there so many Maferath's monuments, especially in places where the darkspawn are camping? It might be just a design choice, but I found it really suspicious. It seemed like they worshipped them.

Maferath monuments? I don't remember seeing any of those in Origins. 

If I get there and they're at every corner, I'm going to dope-slap myself for not noticing that over a few dozen playthroughs. 

I know there are some Old God statues in Inquisition, even Claws of Dumat, but the dwarves were 'probably' just making them for their surface buddies in the Imperium. I'm reminded of the hilarious liberties the one dwarf in Witcher took with crafting statues of Melitele in Novigrad. 

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

I disagree.

 

Mental illness is not something that responsible writers use to add interest to a character. Moreover, discourse such as the above is part of a larger problem of attaching mental illness to explain character traits without due consideration.

Its not automatically irresponsible to write a character having a mental illness. Like any other character trait, it can be done well or poorly.

 

And I am giving it due consideration. It would be a clever way to have one person be thought of as two people thousands of years later b/c legends forget/distort details. Please stop acting like I am somehow mocking or being insensitive to people with mental illness b/c I like the idea of a character in a video game actually having one. 

[Cee]

The lyrics of that are really not helping 

 

Listen to this instead. In fact, I dedicate this song to all Solasmancers!

 

That was sort of helpful.

 

Though I'm on Frou Frou - Let Go now

 

 

It's more positive, at least.

 

Maybe there is hope for the feels after all!

 

 

....temporarily.

[FrankWisdom]

Sorry to bring this post from the dead but!

I'm kind of trying to wrap my head around how people can excuse the Gray Wardens for what they did in Adamant so easily.

Yes, I felt horrible seeing Alistair's face frown when I exiled them but a) they are susceptible to Corypheus' mind-control-**** - this caused them to sacrifice the Divine, they scarified their brothers and sisters out of obsession to the blight out of their own volition (under the pressure from the calling), c) demons. Just.. Demons. It's obvious this is a bad idea!!

I feel that because of the fact the Gray Wardens starred it the first game that people love them, this game also made people hate elves and mages I think  .

 

There's a difference between excusing them and giving them a chance to redeem themselves. The Grey Wardens are a faction, as such, just because part of that faction displayed an enormous lack of foresight and judgement, it doesn't mean all of them were to blame. Leaders also have to take responsibility for the actions of their subordinates, even when dealing with such extreme and unprecedented situations. Also, a lot of Wardens can be persuaded to see reason when it matters most during Here lies the Abyss.

 

I don't believe our decisions pertaining to their fate is a question of white or black, like most situations, it's in the grey (yep, bad pun intended). Also, from a roleplaying perspective, I don't believe that Corypheus potentially manipulating them is as strong an argument as it was before Here Lies the Abyss.

 

Remember we disabled the nightmare demon that was used by Corypheus like a broadcasting station to amplify the range and effects of his "calling". It's also a fact that the Grey Wardens are now made aware that this "calling" is false. They weren't "controlled" by Corypheus but rather acted out of desperation and fear based on a lie. Quite literally a "living nightmare". This new awareness therefore strengthens their resolve while bringing much needed perspective to their future actions.

 

This leads to the choice being one of personal opinion and your personality type rather than right or wrong and pure strategic thinking.

 

The way I work is based on who we "choose" to sacrifice to the nightmare demon.

 

If I let Hawke sacrifice himself, Then I exile the Wardens. They have a very capable leader (Loghain) who can lead them back to Weisshaupt without potentially endangering the inquisition (Loghain also saw through the calling and resisted being manipulated or resorting to desperate measures because of it) in order to get much needed answers.

 

If Loghain sacrifices himself (hardest choice I had to make the first time I played through this mission) then I absorb the Grey Wardens into the Inquisition. Given Loghain's sacrifice, I tell them he is the ideal they have to strive towards. I forgive their actions but never do I forget. Given the context, I give them a chance at redemption, because as misguided as their actions were, they were driven by a desire to protect. My Inquisitor listens to his conscience, but he also is a pragmatic man. I'd be fully aware of the Grey Warden's liabilities as well as their value as assets. This is where the Corypheus "control" doesn't bother me. It's even stated in-game that the potential for manipulation is considered. I still find it a bit weird to actually see them walking around Skyhold (though I do enjoy seeing them), but I attribute that to aesthetics more than anything.

 

Anyways, if you choose to keep them, I'd assume you'd deploy them strategically and always treat the situation with care while taking calculated risks. Deploy them where they can help best yet not fall prey to Corypheus. Use your spy network to track their progress as well as the enemies'. Again, as stated above, circumstances regarding them have changed. You adapt and use the situation to your advantage. Besides, having Wardens within the Inquisition after Corypheus' defeat makes for a very powerful statement as well as great forward defense in the case of an emergency regarding darkspawn, blight or otherwise.

 

 

That's how I see it