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Random thought popped in my head and I thought it would be an interesting discussion:

Since trespasser is two years after the end game , Would your Lavellan (I'll say the first one you plan on playing the dlc with) still care / pine for Solas?

 

Mine would miss him, but not very openly. From her point of view, as the main game progresses he's dropping more and more and more clues that he's not exactly who he says he is, that he's done somehting awful in the past, and there's something he must do next. She has sort of made a commitment to bear his mistakes with him, whether he would accept that or not, and looks at their separation as a part of that. So she'll wait for him and see the pining as something she must do. 

 

Alternately, if only a friend , how do you think your Inquizzy would feel?

 

My Trev mage was very good friends with him and wouldn't believe he could just take off and never send any news. She thinks some terrible accident must've happened to him. 

 

Lastly, is there anything you want or fear for the two year time skip as to what's happened with your Inquizzy?

 

I fear she has succumbed to cynicism, intrigue, and paranoia from playing the Game. It leaves her a little more hardened each day. Even before DLC was announced, my prediction was that after the fall of Corypheus, when the Inquisition is no longer necessary, allies will turn away really quickly and the Inquisitor will be in a very precarious position, having to fight tooth and nail to preserve the organization.


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point of clarification:

 

"tone police" is a specific term relating to people dismissing other people's arguments for their tone (being too angry, too hostile, likely to cause drama, too blunt perhaps in this case), rather than their content.

 

I'm really not dismissing anything. I think AlleluiaElizabeth and Giton both had valid points. Edit: I also thought both were being antagonistic.

This has drawn on long enough, and all I seem to be doing now is feeding it. This is the last thing I'm saying.



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point of clarification:

 

"tone police" is a specific term relating to people dismissing other people's arguments for their tone (being too angry, too hostile, likely to cause drama, too blunt perhaps in this case), rather than their content.

I've been seeing this a lot in the thread lately. Even small and polite disagreements about Solas devolve into "Guys stop fighting!". When you can't respectfully disagree about anything for fear of causing "drama", it shuts down discourse entirely. 


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Random thought popped in my head and I thought it would be an interesting discussion:

Since trespasser is two years after the end game , Would your Lavellan (I'll say the first one you plan on playing the dlc with) still care / pine for Solas?

Lastly, is there anything you want or fear for the two year time skip as to what's happened with your Inquizzy?

 

Still care / pine for Solas? She's actively looking for him. :P

 

With Justinia's murder solved and Corypheus defeated, I imagine my Lavellan directed the Inquisition resources to help elves (like Briala), uncover ancient elven ruins and lore (to recover their past), and search for Solas. What else do they have to do? (Maybe it's the way she smiles at the sunset at the very end, but I interpreted that look to be, "I know you're out there Solas, and don't worry. I will find you.")

 

What I want from the two-year time skip is to improve the lives of mages and elves everywhere. And obviously that the reunion with Solas will yield some answers and a happy-ish outcome. ^_^

 

What I fear is that the mages somehow lose their freedoms, or somehow abuse it so it'll be stripped away (all it takes is a few mages going mad with power for people to call for all mages being locked up), and that everything she tried to do for the elves will be stripped away. (I literally cried when the end slide in DAO revealed that Anora cracked down on the Denerim Alienage, and that humans threw a race riot when my Warden became Bann of the Denerim Alienage. Even besides that, Thedas Elven history can basically be summed up as, "Elves gained more rights and recognition from humans, elves got rights and recognition stripped away.") So I'm so scared that better rights for mages and elves will be stripped away when the Panel condemns the Inquisitior in Tresspasser.  :crying:


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Anyway, I'm super hoping the next game takes place in Tevinter. Slave elf(well slaves in general) uprising. Bring. It. On.

 

 

Me too, and I hope our PCs will be able to do stuff for the good of the Imperium, the way Dorian does. More like "We love this place and want to make it better for all who live here" and less like "Let's slay all the magisters and burn this place to the ground."


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Me too, and I hope our PCs will be able to do stuff for the good of the Imperium, the way Dorian does. More like "We love this place and want to make it better for all who live here" and less like "Let's slay all the magisters and burn this place to the ground."


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I've been seeing this a lot in the thread lately. Even small and polite disagreements about Solas devolve into "Guys stop fighting!". When you can't respectfully disagree about anything for fear of causing "drama", it shuts down discourse entirely.


Confrontation makes some people uncomfortable. Its a valid feeling to have. I would say that confrontation and debate is necessary. Usually I would be first in line to shout that. But people are unusually sensitive right now and emotions are running high. A small reminder to calm yo **** may prevent small arguments from becoming large arguments.

In another thread a small argument became a big one and left to fester ended with actual broken real life friendships, a moderator and developer involvement that included deleting half the thread, and real life harassment. (In these very forums. Between regular normally respectful adults)

So, yeah. Seems silly now but a "cut it out" isn't really a big deal in the larger scheme of things. Listen or don't.

In any case, the hinterlands can suck it.
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Just the romance pattern I've noticed in general and I do not support Merrill that way, nor what she does, so the romance is just not happy in my eyes since my Hawke would never accept it even if she tried. 

 

That's your Hawke though. Not every player or Hawke sees it that way (I personally see nothing wrong with what she's trying to do and I would support her if I romanced her with a Hawke), so it doesn't "always end in heartbreak or longing" for them.

 

I always find the less dramatic ones to be with rogues, the warriors have some drama but Mages are just too intense. Fun but intense. Solas is the only Mage I took a chance with and like Anders, it was pretty sad stuff. No male mages in DAO though we almost had Jowan.

 

You make a point about the rogues tending to have less drama and warriors having some drama, but I don't agree about the mages "always" having drama; in fact I think the drama's pretty evenly split between warriors and mages. It just depends on the character and the choices you make with them.

 

Besides, I could do you one better and say that I noticed that human romances tend to end more sadly than elves' (Cullen and Solas being only the latest exception). For male humans, Alistair dumps you if you make him king and aren't a human noble while Zevran commits, Anders succumbs to Vengeance while Fenris chases away his demons and commits, and even in Inquisiton Blackwall lies about who he is and leaves you naked and alone in a barn after sleeping with you so he can go get himself executed without telling you. (While Solas also lies and leaves, at least he doesn't do that). Adding human women, Morrigan and Leliana both run off to do their own thing after DAO (Morrigan to Orlais and Leliana to Divine Jusinia's side) and Isabela can run off with the tome if you don't curry enough favor with her, while Merrill commits. In DAI, Cassandra can dump the Inquisitor if she's made Divine, while Sera commits (unless you're a Dalish Elf who refuses to renounce your religion and culture for Sera).

 

So there's that, but you notice I don't throw a blanket statement like "romancing humans always ends with heartbreak and longing" just because of a loose pattern.

 

And with Morrigan, they can't even be together so that's sad stuff for me and a tamer version of Solas' romance.

 

They're not physically together during DAI, but they're still emotionally together and happily committed to each other, same as a Warden who romances Alistair or Leliana.

 

In fact, the Warden isn't physically together with any DAO love interest during DAI, except for the one who romances Zevran.

 

In fact, neither my Warden nor Hawke are physically together with Alistair and Fenris during DAI, yet you don't see me saying "romancing warriors always ends in heartbreak and longing" just because of that.


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That's your Hawke though. Not every player or Hawke sees it that way (I personally see nothing wrong with what she's trying to do and I would support her if I romanced her with a Hawke), so it doesn't "always end in heartbreak or longing" for them.

 

 

 

 

You make a point about the rogues tending to have less drama and warriors having some drama, but I don't agree about the mages "always" having drama; in fact I think the drama's pretty evenly split between warriors and mages. It just depends on the character and the choices you make with them.

 

Besides, I could do you one better and say that I noticed that human romances tend to end more sadly than elves' (Cullen and Solas being only the latest exception). For male humans, Alistair dumps you if you make him king and aren't a human noble while Zevran commits, Anders succumbs to Vengeance while Fenris chases away his demons and commits, and even in Inquisiton Blackwall lies about who he is and leaves you naked and alone in a barn after sleeping with you so he can go get himself executed without telling you. (While Solas also lies and leaves, at least he doesn't do that). Adding human women, Morrigan and Leliana both run off to do their own thing after DAO (Morrigan to Orlais and Leliana to Divine Jusinia's side) and Isabela can run off with the tome if you don't curry enough favor with her, while Merrill commits. In DAI, Cassandra can dump the Inquisitor if she's made Divine, while Sera commits (unless you're a Dalish Elf who refuses to renounce your religion and culture for Sera).

 

So there's that, but you notice I don't throw a blanket statement like "romancing humans always ends with heartbreak and longing" just because of a loose pattern.

 

 

 

 

They're not physically together during DAI, but they're still emotionally together and happily committed to each other, same as a Warden who romances Alistair or Leliana.

 

In fact, the Warden isn't physically together with any DAO love interest during DAI, except for the one who romances Zevran.

 

In fact, neither my Warden nor Hawke are physically together with Alistair and Fenris during DAI, yet you don't see me saying "romancing warriors always ends in heartbreak and longing" just because of that.

 

And sadly the Hawke you have no control over in DAI. Her bloodmage hate is just wrong if you romance Merrill.

 

I always romance elves, and only Solas has been an issue (meaning I had to play an elf and break my pattern LOL) but actually now that I think about it most MALE romances are drama-filled more than the classes! Being a straight female I romance males, but tried all of them for fun and females seem easier.

 

Yeah no one ever stays and I think Inquisition will be the same from what we've seen unless we get more choices!



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Thank god we didn't have Jowan - hated him in DA:O, honestly.

 

Then again, the only mages I liked in DA:O were Morrigan and Flemeth.

 

Me too, and I hope our PCs will be able to do stuff for the good of the Imperium, the way Dorian does. More like "We love this place and want to make it better for all who live here" and less like "Let's slay all the magisters and burn this place to the ground."

 

Are the two mutually exclusive? :P

 

The more we learn about Tevinter, the more I'm fascinated by the place. I especially love the examples of Tevinter architecture we see in Inquisition. I would hope we get to have at least one scene in a massive magical library in Minrathous, just because I can imagine Dorian squeeing in the background. None of that stops me from wanting to begin an elven uprising and take down the magisterium as well. Someone's country, their culture, is so much more than their nobility, I'd like to think.

 

Like most political conflicts in Thedas, we'll probably be an onlooker who is at the centre of the storm, rather than the cause of conflict. Which is a shame, I'd love to RP a revolutionary one of these days.


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-snipz-
In any case, the hinterlands can suck it.


Truth.
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Am I the only one who sets Solas' behavior to "defend controlled character", just so I can squeeze out a few sweet moments when the enemy is charging towards Lavellan, but gets knocked down by his stone fist?


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Truth.


I am so. Bored! I don't want to do In your Heart Shall Burn too soon so I'm just frolicking around LA LA LA getting eaten by bears.
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Confrontation makes some people uncomfortable. Its a valid feeling to have. I would say that confrontation and debate is necessary. Usually I would be first in line to shout that. But people are unusually sensitive right now and emotions are running high. A small reminder to calm yo **** may prevent small arguments from becoming large arguments.

In another thread a small argument became a big one and left to fester ended with actual broken real life friendships, a moderator and developer involvement that included deleting half the thread, and real life harassment. (In these very forums. Between regular normally respectful adults)

So, yeah. Seems silly now but a "cut it out" isn't really a big deal in the larger scheme of things. Listen or don't.

In any case, the hinterlands can suck it.

I'm sorry, but "I disagree because _______" does not even a small argument make, let alone a thread-destroying one. 

 

Look at us, right now. Disagreeing respectfully. Not causing drama. :P


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Thank god we didn't have Jowan - hated him in DA:O, honestly.

 

Then again, the only mages I liked in DA:O were Morrigan and Flemeth.

 

LOL I felt bad for him and he was my Amell's best friend forever (he can even be an unrequited love interest as it seems all the Origins had)! I had no choice but to hand him over to the circle because the option to conscript him was removed.

 

Am I the only one who sets Solas' behavior to "defend controlled character", just so I can squeeze out a few sweet moments when the enemy is charging towards Lavellan, but gets knocked down by his stone fist?

 
I don't even need to. No matter what race I play, that guy protects me!

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I am so. Bored! I don't want to do In your Heart Shall Burn too soon so I'm just frolicking around LA LA LA getting eaten by bears.

 

I'm bored too, but it's by the Western Approach. So many boring missions on that map, all of which I left for last. 



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I'm sorry, but "I disagree because _______" does not even a small argument make, let alone a thread-destroying one.

Look at us, right now. Disagreeing respectfully. Not causing drama. :P


Lol.

Cut it out, Laurel! All this respectful disagreeing makes my head hurt!
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I am so. Bored! I don't want to do In your Heart Shall Burn too soon so I'm just frolicking around LA LA LA getting eaten by bears.

 

I'm trying my hardest to get the game completed before Trespasser comes out, and I'm so bitter that finishing Hinterlands took me to the 30 hour mark where the other levels only take between 4-10 each, and I can't even work out why Hinterlands still takes so long. I never ride my horse (gotta get 'dem Solas banters), so it's not like that's a reason!

 

I really think I'll have to just avoid this thread when the DLC comes out. xD



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Am I the only one who sets Solas' behavior to "defend controlled character", just so I can squeeze out a few sweet moments when the enemy is charging towards Lavellan, but gets knocked down by his stone fist?

 

I... I didn't even know this was an option. D: Shows how attentive I am...
Edit: Not that it matters since I'm spending so much of my time controlling Solas anyway, I really suck at melee Rogue.



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I am so. Bored! I don't want to do In your Heart Shall Burn too soon so I'm just frolicking around LA LA LA getting eaten by bears.

 

I just reinstalled my game after a computer crash that caused me to reboot and reinstall. I have no new game at all and only 3 1/2 days to go!



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I just reinstalled my game after a computer crash that caused me to reboot and reinstall. I have no new game at all and only 3 1/2 days to go!


Ouch. I'm basically done with my Lavellan, she's my canon run, Violet is my trev mage, she romanced Cullen and she's endgame but I'm working on DLC for her and Emma is my brand new human archer, she's doing all the opposite things I did in the first game and she's still in the hinterlands.

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Am I the only one who sets Solas' behavior to "defend controlled character", just so I can squeeze out a few sweet moments when the enemy is charging towards Lavellan, but gets knocked down by his stone fist?

Mine's a Reaver so this would be counterproductive  :D


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Like most political conflicts in Thedas, we'll probably be an onlooker who is at the centre of the storm, rather than the cause of conflict. Which is a shame, I'd love to RP a revolutionary one of these days.

 

That would be amazing, but have you noticed that BioWare takes a dim view of revolutionaries in Thedas?

 

I didn't notice it until my friend pointed out that characters who try to change the status quo are always depicted as terrorists or well-intentioned extremists, while the player character always has to save or maintain the status quo. I said "That's not true!" ... until I thought about it and realized, yes, it is.

 

I mean, in DAO you don't rebel against the oppressive Circle system, you just defeat the demons and either massacre the mages or give control of them back to the Templars. In Orzammar, you solve a succession crisis by choosing one of two candidates to uphold Orzammar's monarchy. In Ferelden, you depose Loghain and replace him with one or two royal candidates to uphold Ferelden's monarchy. (Mages, casteless, and elves are still under-heel.)

 

In DA2, the Arishok calls Kirkwall a cesspool of corruption (of which he's not wrong), and Hawke defeats him to maintain the Kirkwall noble's power. (Which doesn't solve any of the problems the Arishok pointed out. Kirkwall nobles and guards still oppress elves, and Hightown still grows fat while people starve in the lower towns.) In Act 3, Anders is a terrorist who blows up the Chantry to force mages to rebel, and while Hawke can side with mages, it's mostly to try to show, "Hey, they're not crazy terrorists like Anders so you shouldn't kill them," not "MAGE PRIDE!"

 

In DAI, we once again restore the status quo in a lot of ways. We ensure that the oppressive Orlesian Empire doesn't crumble into chaos (which is what Corypheus wants), and we ensure that the Chantry doesn't crumble by helping them (directly or indirectly) elect a new Divine. Admittedly we do better this game since we can get the Circles abolished, possibly the Templars and Seekers liquidated, and put an elf in charge of Orlais, but I have a feeling those will have negative consequences in Tresspasser...

 

In general, BioWare seems to takes a dim view of revolution in these games. The lesson always seems to be, "It's better to maintain an oppressive system to ensure stability than to try to create a better society since the ensuing violence and chaos would be worse," and even "It's pointless to try to start a revolution because today's oppressed will just become tomorrow's oppressors." When Solas prods Sera to try to make lasting change, she herself basically says, "What' the point of taking down the top since there'll just be another one to frig it all up again?"

 

Speaking of which, Solas recognizes widespread misery and corruption and oppression all over Thedas and is trying to do something to stop it, but I'm sure he'll be vilified for it, both from the devs and players alike. (Doesn't he know that you're supposed to support the status quo like the players always do?)

 

Meh, sorry for the rant and ramble. I just noticed that.

 

(In short, I agree with you that I would LOVE to be a revolutionary--especially for elves!--but it seems "revolution/ary" is a dirty word for BioWare's Thedas.)


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I just reinstalled my game after a computer crash that caused me to reboot and reinstall. I have no new game at all and only 3 1/2 days to go!

 

Ouchhh, and I thought I had it bad @_@

When the DLC was announced I was after Winter Palace (but before the Fade) and since I want a perfect playthrough I'm collecting all of the shards, doing all the missions and the two DLCs (before Temple of Mythal). Also, Nightmare mode so everything's taking a bit longer, I'm at the 110 hours mark... Got two areas to explore and do the DLCs before the 9/9...

I suppose you aren't going to do a completionist playthrough  :P



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I'm trying my hardest to get the game completed before Trespasser comes out, and I'm so bitter that finishing Hinterlands took me to the 30 hour mark where the other levels only take between 4-10 each, and I can't even work out why Hinterlands still takes so long. I never ride my horse (gotta get 'dem Solas banters), so it's not like that's a reason!

 

I really think I'll have to just avoid this thread when the DLC comes out. xD

 

I'm currently playing In Your Heart Shall Burn. Clogged in around 20 hours in the Hinterlands. I haaaate them with a burning passion. It just takes so long and I have no idea why!