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Really hoping we can at least see the city of Halamshiral from the Winter Palace in the daytime. Still disappointed we didn't get to visit.

 

Not sure if this was answered, but I'm pretty sure you'll see Halamshiral or atleast part of it (The Winter Palace) in daylight in the DLC :)



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Ahahah i stop my Lavellan playthrough before the temple of mythal waiting for the new patch , now i can go and get my heart broken ...again... but with style

 

Hahaha, I just did the same thing.

 

My Lady Lavellan is having a heck of a time though. In the last two hours alone, she learned that she got her clan killed (darn you insufferably vague war table missions!), got treated to Morrigan's "family reunion" to remind her of the family she no longer had, got dumped by the man she loved, and failed to get Leliana to turn away from the path of darkness. All in style.

 

(This reminded me of why I started an "ideal playthrough" in the first place. This will probably be my "everything that can go wrong, will" sad playthrough.)

 

I don't know what's going to happen in Tresspasser yet, and I don't want to know yet, but if it's not as suicidally depressing as what my Inquisitor just experienced, it won't be too sad for me.  :wacko:



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Nice find!

The Flemeth-ish woman reminds me of the statues in Emprise and Hissing Wastes.

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Looks like a Kossith... :o

The Mythal statue looks like an Asari xD



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Hahaha, I just did the same thing.

 

My Lady Lavellan is having a heck of a time though. In the last two hours alone, she learned that she got her clan killed (darn you insufferably vague war table missions!), got treated to Morrigan's "family reunion" to remind her of the family she no longer had, learned that she really is bound to a goddess for eternity, got dumped by the man she loved, and failed to get Leliana to turn away from the path of darkness. All in style.

 

(This reminded me of why I started an "ideal playthrough" in the first place. This will probably be my "everything that can go wrong, will" sad playthrough.)

 

I don't know what's going to happen in Tresspasser yet, and I don't want to know yet, but if it's not as suicidally depressing as what my Inquisitor just experienced, it won't be too sad for me.  :wacko:

I know how you feel, i dont dare to do the Mythal temple mainly cuz i cant decide if i want to drink from the well of sorrows or leave morigan to do it.

My first intention was to let her do it in my 2nd play-through, but now knowing you get bind to mythal and solas get her powers.. oh well may be ill just make a save and where i drink and 1 where i didnt. Cuz i have the feeling this will be important when we meet Solas.  



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-snip-

 

Remarkably, I followed most of that.

 

Which leads me to wonder: dreamers can see what could be in the future because they can shape the Fade (and the past things found within it). Basically they can go back in time (or not be constrained by it), and possibly change the outcome for the future? Yes, no, or am I totally off? :lol:.

 

But Solas is a dreamer, surely he would just go into the Fade and shape things again to fix his past mistakes. Hmm.



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<snipy snip snap>

 

True, and interesting.

I think the fact spirits can be used to predict the future doesn't guarantee they don't exist within a time, their ability to predict the future probably comes from the fact they exist in another dimension, have a very different perspective and see other things (partially because of their nature, the fact they are embody one emotion/idea and not a bundle of it). Spirits can die, and I suppose they can be born (perhaps out of Thedas), they can't be timeless in that manner... Or maybe they can? Perhaps it's just something that we can't understand with our logic and our rules, maybe they can be both timeless and mortal (as in can die, like the Elvhen were mortal, just didn't die of old age), see the past and the future, even if they don't exist in that future.

 

That kind of makes you ask how Solas wasn't able to predict the outcome of his actions, he surely would've tried to use the knowledge of his friends to avoid catastrophes. Perhaps they can see the time as how it would be if things wouldn't change enough to divert it to another path, but if a butterfly flaps their wings, things change... This would allow them to see an assassination attempt that would take place in five years, but if the person would've changed his ways, perhaps that vision dissipates?


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I know how you feel, i dont dare to do the Mythal temple mainly cuz i cant decide if i want to drink from the well of sorrows or leave morigan to do it.

My first intention was to let her do it in my 2nd play-through, but now knowing you get bind to mythal and solas get her powers.. oh well may be ill just make a save and where i drink and 1 where i didnt. Cuz i have the feeling this will be important when we meet Solas.  

 

Oh... um... I deleted the part about the Well, because I realized that's actually the least of her problems.

 

For me, the answer was always easy: drink from the Well. Ensure that her people's history, knowledge, and will remained with the people. By itself, it's not something she minds too much. Much like Morrigan, it's a sacrifice she would readily pay for what she feels she will gain. (And unlike Morrigan, she tentatively trusts Mythal.) 

 

... But at this point, what makes it depressing is that her servitude to Mythal is all she has. Her family's gone, her beloved's gone, and her friends are falling to darkness or leaving her to continue their own lives one-by-one. She's now plagued by her failures; failure to save her clan, failure to keep Solas from leaving, failure to keep Leliana from Falling...

 

She's given so much to make the world a better place for her kind, and the people she hoped would benefit are gone, and the people who make this life worth living are gone, so now she probably feels she's looking at a long empty life followed by an eternal afterlife of servitude, since she feels Mythal likely won't give her rest.

 

Talk about a raw deal.  :pinched:



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I intended to let morrigan drink just cuz of the irony to be bound to the person she so desperately want to escape, but i guess ill do this with another playthrough ( tho i still gonna make 2 saves just for the sake of Trespasser outcome) . But you have a point its a no go to let morrigan drink if you are delish. The well belongs to the elves and should stay there.



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Wolf Quest is fun. It looks like they are updating it soon too. Except I think you'll have to pay for the new version of the game, though the old one will still be there for free.

 

http://www.wolfquest.org/

 

I don't know why this is relevant except Dread Wolf...who is on a quest.

 

One of my poops got swooped up by a vulture. Whoops. Or maybe it was a golden eagle. I don't know. It was a very large bird and it ate Lon, though. Poor Ron, Jon, and Don lost their sibling...



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I wonder if there will be a difference between having a rogue inky or a mage,for this dlc i'll have my rogue one since she is the one i somewhat managed to have without any kind of mods.Had to replay Descent cuz of the patch no issues(was using mods on my other chars) but now i'm so rdy for Trespasser.

Did not spoil myself with whatever is going on on inet so i'm going in fully blind.Although this char doesn't believe in gods i have to say Maker help us all  :unsure: .Here a shot of my Lavellan 

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i've been lurking around on this thread and you guys get really weird early in the morning 

 

( not that I'm complaining lol) 

 

Yeah I actually did, I took lots of screenshots of this, but forgot to upload  :lol:  :lol: It's veryyyy curious,

I'm actually taking shit-ton of screenshots so by the end of the playthrough I could compile a large post with all the things I noticed.

I think I may have found interesting things (although since you guys are so amazing, I doubt you didn't find them yourselves  =]

 

 

I find that very interesting myself. Personally, I think it's a Flemeth statue being represented as a counterpart of Mythal. The Falon'din owls and elvhen wolves around it cement my theory that it is elven somehow, if maybe late in their history towards the time of Halamshiral. Flemeth might have been recognized at that point as an important figure (Ashabellanar or however you spell it) and so that statue could be representing her as how the elven of Halamshiral viewed her.



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Does anyone here know if Trespasser will be released later in Europe or if it is the same date worldwide? I can't find any information on this and I am cautious of looking around to much on the internet in case of spoilers  :?



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Does anyone here know if Trespasser will be released later in Europe or if it is the same date worldwide? I can't find any information on this and I am cautious of looking around to much on the internet in case of spoilers  :?

 

I've just been looking around for the same thing :P

LIke, literally 2 minutes ago.

I found nothing though :(

 

It might be released a day late (which isn't really a day later, if they release on the evening of the 8th it would be technically on the 9th in Europe), but I don't have any source to support this.


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Does anyone here know if Trespasser will be released later in Europe or if it is the same date worldwide? I can't find any information on this and I am cautious of looking around to much on the internet in case of spoilers  :?

I heard around that it would be a bit later, though not a lot. Two days max I think? 



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Does anyone here know if Trespasser will be released later in Europe or if it is the same date worldwide? I can't find any information on this and I am cautious of looking around to much on the internet in case of spoilers  :?

 

Which platform are you playing on? It usually releases the same time all over on Origin, and for some reason Xboners always seem to get it first, PS4 user's usually end up having to wait a day or two because Sony... This is how it's been with the previous DLC's anyway, I don't expect it to be any different this time :).



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Which platform are you playing on? It usually releases the same time all over on Origin, and for some reason Xboners always seem to get it first, PS4 user's usually end up having to wait a day or two because Sony... This is how it's been with the previous DLC's anyway, I don't expect it to be any different this time :).

 

I'm on PC :) I am kind of hoping that it will be released the 8th, but I'm counting on it being released the 10th so I can be pleasantly surprised if I get it early  :D


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Why would Abelas have known Fen'Harel?  The lack of any non-wolf art anywhere implies he preferred a wolf form, and his banter with Sera makes it clear he liked to operate in small cells rather leading an army.  We also don't know what form his rebellion took, or even if there was a rebellion.

 

 

It's not about knowing him. It's about having seen him at one point either during the rebellion or sometime at the height of Arlathan. From what we understand about Abelas, he was there when Mythal was murdered, for him to say with confidence that Fen'Harel was not to blame for her murder. It doesn't feel like second hand information being repeated from accounts made by propagandists, slanderers or other Elvhen people who witnessed what happened. The fact that he was chosen to defend her temple as well as his comments on the others sentinels' lack of knowledge show him to be different. Much more aware of what was than anyone we've encountered before. It doesn't prove he saw Fen before the rebellion in his "natural" form, but it does prove he was old enough to be around during the fall. What perspired then is speculation, much like the rebellion happening or not, though I'm basing my theories ob the information we have so far, I'm not saying that information is accurate but it probably holds a grain of truth.

 

"The Creators looked after the People. The Forgotten Ones preyed upon us. And one god who was neither. Fen'Harel, the Dread Wolf. He was kin to the Creators, and in the old days, often helped them in their endless war against the Forgotten Ones. We barely even remember all their names, let alone who struck the first blow, who was wrong"..

 

Also "his supposed betrayal of both clans of gods by sealing them away in their respective realms, never again to interact with the mortal world, is sometimes used to explain why the elven gods--particularly the benevolent Creators--did not intervene to prevent the fall of Arlathan."

 

 Again we don't know exactly how he managed to imprison them. He seems to have started a revolution, whether he was a figurehead or played from the shadows is the real question, though some legends claim he led the rebellion as a trickster warrior with bow and arrow. The most important detail to understand is whether he imprisoned them before he started the revolution as suggested in the above quote, as that would change our understanding of the whole conflict.

 

Fen could very well have been shapeshifting as a wolf most of the time, I'm not contesting that, the statues however, aren't an indication of any substantial eivdence  and leave no foundation for a solid argument. We have no basis for when they were built therefore no context in which to weigh their significance. Many other gods have statues for which we have no explanation so far, such as the masked Mythal statues with wings and no arms for example. These statues could have been crafted as tribute to what Fen was claimed to represent by "modern" elves (post Arlathan). Given his infamy it would be quite appropriate for them to erect statues and tributes to appease the "Dread Wolf"

 

"In spite of Fen’Harel’s reputation, however, he has been known to be invoked by Dalish elves to express dismay at unexpected events ("By the Dread Wolf!"), to demand the annihilation of an enemy (“Dread Wolf take you!”), when all seems lost,[17] and as a wary farewell (“May the Dread Wolf never hear your steps”). Furthermore, some Dalish elves still erect shrines to him and make offerings; perhaps as a form of appeasement, but still a sign that the fearful wariness in which the Dread Wolf is held by modern-day elves is not absolute." [18]

 

With that said, we do know the fall of Arlathan was steeped in chaos and was theorized to have been caused and perpetuated when the Pantheon was "imprisoned". We also can infer on Solas' motivations given his conversations with Cole and Flemythal at the end scene. Clearly he expected his actions to have brought order and freedom to the people, though he underestimated the status quo to be so ingrained within the people as well as the lack of guidance and the anger, greed and ambition of those left behind.

 

The problem wasn't just the gods. It had become more than that. It was the system. The warring was said to be a constant, made worse when the pantheon had to fight against "The Forgotten Ones". Fen'Harel saw that the lower class Elvhen people were casualties of their (the Pantheon's and The Forgotten Ones') war and as such needed to seal both parties away. Once that was done there were still the High Keepers and Highborn Elvhen people to take care of. How do you think they would have reacted. They obviously liked their own luxuries. They were on top of the fallacies perpetuated by such a broken system, never feeling the negative effects. They lived like kings and were devout to their gods. What do you think spurred the fall of Arlathan, what caused the continued conflict? It was the fact that the system had been implanted deep within the people. Even without the Gods present,  nobles and priests would still fight and die in their names to keep the status quo. Meanwhile, the slaves that could, would rebel seeing as the gods were gone. Internal strife, civil war. With no one to rule over them, to stem the chaos, then it would consume them. Besides, how could Fen'Harel have stood against both "The Forgotten Ones" and the Pantheon without subterfuge. If he was leading a rebellion, you'd think he would've waited to show himself until he found a way to stop those in power before they found out about his plans.

 

Given his conversation with Sera,

 

  • Solas: I heard about your organization, Sera. I am impressed.
  • Sera: Is this a trick?
  • Solas: Hardly. But it is an opportunity. You have already divided your group's membership. That is wise. No one cell can betray all your secrets. The next step is to establish a rhythm. When your enemies pursue, you vanish. When they become complacent, you harass them. When they are weak, you strike in earnest.

 

I'd say he was a very strategic man as well as being known for his cunning. He would've used the war between both the Pantheon and "The Forgotten Ones" to manipulate them to his ends. Otherwise, he surely would've failed, even with Mythal's help.

 

That was an exert from my thread. I understand your argument, but in my opinion it only pertains to his actions against the Pantheon and Forgotten Ones during times of war. Once they were imprisoned he either led a failed rebellion, or left the Elvhen people to sort out their problems which still lead to their downfall.

 

 

Restoring what was lost does not necessarily mean freeing the Elvhen Pantheon, it could simply mean restoring the Elvhen race to power. We know SolaFen does not favor what the past was but rather what he wanted it to be. Bringing back his brethren could mean history repeating itself. He also declares his allegiance to the Elvhen people rather than to his brethren, claiming that this is the reason he cannot face punishment yet. Also conversations between SolaFen and Cole seem to indicate what the Elvhen Pantheon was or has become.

 

Cole: "He hurts, an old pain from before when everything sang the same" (before the veil?)

 

Cole: "You're real, and it means everyone could be real. It changes everything. But it can't."

 

(I think this is a reference to him being physically present after the veil was created, as in bonded with Solas like FleMythal. With this knowledge, he could help his brethren do the same, however, if he does, then things will become what they were and Fen'Harel can't allow that, despite the love he holds for his kin. This potentially adds weight to my theory about the spirit/physical separation of the Pantheon)

 

Cole: They sleep, masked in a mirror, hiding, hurting and to wake them... (Gasp) where did it go?

 

Solas: I apologize, Cole. That is not a pain you can heal.

 

(Cole refers to the Elvhen gods, masking or masked from their true aspects in an eluvian, sleeping and suffering. When he says where did it go, he refers to Solas' pain which Solas in turn confirms by stating that Cole cannot heal it. This is quite interesting. It would seem that the Elvhen god's might not be imprisoned in the Golden city, as I suspect, but rather in a realm reached only through an eluvian).

 

 

 


Ancient elven shapeshifting has been confirmed since Origins (Mahariel can tell Morrigan that her magic is like Keeper magic).

 

What's your point? I used the shapeshifting example to highlight the mundane vs. the exceptional of the time. I read the keeper's comments, I also played origins, but my comments were about the context, not the discovery of Elvhen people's ability to shapeshift but it's significance, which wasn't confirmed by her statement. We only knew the magical techniques originated from the Elvhen people, not that it was common or  blasphemy ( Dragons) for certain forms. The codex I linked however is a concrete example of the times, not Dalish history. It's a display of what was held sacred and what was forbidden. Again it's what makes me wonder what that then means for the Pantheon, Which leads to your next statement.

 

I would also argue that, given Solas' comments on the matter, the elven gods were just elves, they were just very powerful.
 

 

What comments exactly are you referring to?

 

As for their nature

 

This comes to mind

 

The Tome of Koslun, the sacred Qunari scripture explicitly says that "the Old Gods were like unto dragons, as the first human kings were like unto ordinary men".

 

Also the fact that Mythal can absorb an old god essence, and can herself survive as "energy" outside of The Fade after losing most of her power strikes you as something just elves can do? How would you explain the Elvhen decline. Nevermind internal strife, what about the loss of immortality following the Pantheon's disappearance. I don't believe the Pantheon to be gods, but given what we've seen of Fen and Myth, I can't see them as being just some powerful Elvhen mages. To have led so many that held them up with such reverence, In a place where magic was

 

"as natural as breathing" in a place where there were "spires of crystal twining through the branches, palaces floating among the clouds."

 

You'd have to be more than mundane where magic is just that.

 

Anyways all this to say that there isn't enough for or against his disposition. Solas could very well be the same god who was Fen all those millenia ago but it always brings up questions.

 

Where was he sleeping? He was said to walk the Fade, was he just in Uthenera for millenia or was there more to it. What or who woke him up? Why try to change things now? Was he stuck in The Fade, was he forced in Uthenera? Was Mythal aware of his situation,if so, why didn't wake him or did she wake him? If so, why now?

 

I have a lot of theories but not all answer these questions.


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This is something we discuss a lot around here.  Personally I'm firmly on Team Lone Wolf - Solas is Fen'Harel, no body jumping involved.
 
First: there is no way that BW would give us a romance in which we were sleeping with a possessed person without knowing it.  They gave us Anders but it was very clear from the start he was possessed.  The poopstorm over Blackwall not really being Blackwall was bad enough - what would it be like if they gave us an LI who really, really wasn't who he said he was and had murky consent issues into the bargin (fun fact: in the TV show Supernatual this is why Ruby No2 was shown to be possessing a body the second it had flatlined - the writers were aware of the issues involving Sam sleeping with a demon and its unconsenting human host and deliberatly avoided this trope.  It's one of the few things I actually like about SPN).
 
Second: the whole idea of 'Fen'Harel is really TEH EVILS and it was the Solas part that loved Lavellan' BOOOOOOOOOOOOORING (sorry, been playing Skyrim and now channelling Shegorath in my way of speaking).  What makes Solas a fastinating character is that every experience in his long, long life has led him to the point where he is the man he is now.  The experiences he speaks about are his experiences.  They weren't gained second hand.
 
Third: Mythal's senario is implied to be completely unprecedented.  The ancient elves were immortal (but not invulnerable) and Mythal was killed.  But part of her soul hung on long enough and strongly enough to possess a human woman, and then continue to possess her decendents (something that was considered a great honour, given the way Yavana shows envy towards Morrigan being the favourite).  If every elf was doing this it dimishes how completely awesome Mythal was for being able to hang on like this.

I hope this is the case to be honest. I'd much rather it be truly the Dread Wolf than just some fade wanderer.

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Remarkably, I followed most of that.

 

Which leads me to wonder: dreamers can see what could be in the future because they can shape the Fade (and the past things found within it). Basically they can go back in time (or not be constrained by it), and possibly change the outcome for the future? Yes, no, or am I totally off? :lol:.

 

But Solas is a dreamer, surely he would just go into the Fade and shape things again to fix his past mistakes. Hmm.

 

 

It doesn't work like that. Dreamers get "visions" of a possible future and it's said that everything dreamer's vision will be different even if dreaming of the same event. This is in relation to how you affect The Fade in my opinion. Specifically, how your persona affects The Fade around you as well as how naturally gifted you are as a dreamer and as a mage. This would make every interpretation skewed by your own perception in a very concrete way (ironically) given your perceptions actually alter your environment rather than just, well... help you perceive it..

 

Also remember that the Inquisitor was walking The Fade physically, so we don't know how that affects what is found within. His was a unique experience, much like the Magisters.

 

Anyways as I stated, I doubt you can affect time (In Thedas) from inside The Fade as it is a self contained universe, apart from Thedas thanks to the veil. If you followed what I said then you know they can't go back in time. At best they can find things lost from the past that made their way into The Fade such as memories, past events, fears etc. This interaction is highly unlikely however because dreamers create their own realms, while powerful demons for example, rule their own domains. This limits dreamers from reaching places that could contain traces of the past. Though Solas doesn't seem to be as hindered as normal dreamers are when roaming The Fade. Given he is Fen or Fen is part of him, then that makes sense.

 

Anyways I hope that clears things up!


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Anyways all this to say that their isn't enough for or against his disposition. Solas could very well be the same god who was Fen all those millenia ago but it always brings up questions.

 

Where was he sleeping? He was said to walk the Fade, was he just in Uthenera for millenia or was there more to it. What or who woke him up? Why try to change things now? Was he stuck in The Fade, was he forced in Uthenera? Was Mythal aware of his situation,if so, why didn't wake him or did she wake him? If so, why now?

 

I have a lot of theories but not all answer these questions.

you're smart

 

I agree with you on everything, but I also believe you are overthinking 

 

these people are writers, not lore-junkies. The DA world revolves around morality and spirituality, and so everything that Solas has ever done or will do will follow his place in the world: the anti-hero characterized mainly by his contradicting traits of acceptance and disability to truly understand/trust beyond his own wisdom 

 

Instead of thinking mostly in the context of circumstance, it might be more beneficial to think through the minds of the writer's and what they are trying to accomplish through his character. 


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I doubt it. TIme travel is allllllwayyyys a pain in the ass to explain. because of so many theories about how it works. Basically it's defined by whatever you establish in your universe (when talking fiction) though in Dragon Age it's never truly been explained. The basis of any sound time traveling however comes from first contact. The "start of a loop". For example as awesome as back to the future is, it doesn't make sense. The same can be said about Predestination. For something to be caught in a "time loop" you have to "go through" the "original" timeline at least once. Here's a simplistic example, say you're birth was the product of your great grandson who went back in the past to do so and so and knocked up your mother (weird and a bit disgusting right). Well for this to have happened you had to come first in order for your grandson to travel back in the first place. Paradox.

 

This is a similar situation except for the fact that the inquisitor isn't directly involved in the event he'd be "altering". Just because something is out of time it doesn't change what happened before the inquisitor was born, outside of its influence. He traveled to The Fade long after the first joining. The time in which he visited The Fade is key. Once he's in The Fade, then time is irrelevant. So someone who would've entered The Fade physically before the joining was created could have been acceptable if following that logic. It's the same thing for the dreams. For them to have reached The Fade, they needed to be dreamt up during the events that happened right before the joining. Once they reached The Fade, they became timeless. The thing is we don't know exactly how time is affected. Is time "frozen" in The Fade? Can time be distorted to affect the past? The future? Both? We haven't been given enough information to conclude anything concrete so far. All we know is the that The Fade is constantly being reshaped by the beings and dreamers that inhabit it. We were in the nightmare demons realm, which is a realm created within The Fade, the rules can be bent, but to what degree, we have no idea. The more powerful the being the more The Fade can be affected. We also know that dreamers can get glimpses of what the future might hold. Which could hint at things being affected in The Fade both through the past and the future.

 

If things were frozen though, their would be a massive build up of dreams (nightmares in this case) like the ones we encountered which were stolen by the Nightmare demon. I'd have to assume that once a dreamer wakes up, the dream also leaves The Fade. The reason they were still in The Fade would have to be because the Nightmare demon kept them there to feed on. The only thing that would work in favor of the theory you posted above is based on whether or not  the dreams are still attached to the time they were dreamt when stolen. Therefore our actions in the future could affect the past through the connection of those dreams within a timeless space (the bridge). But that's all heavy speculation. The way I figure it, everything outside The Fade is unaffected by it, once anything goes in however, they become "eternal" so to speak. So you could encounter a bunch of things from the past within The Fade, but couldn't affect the past found without from within The Fade through said things.

 

Anyways, that would explain the Elvhen immortality going bye-bye with the veil. I'm not sure if this makes sense to you, but you can't overthink it or you're going get stuck in loop of thoughts rather than figuring out the time loop. I'm not sure if this makes sense to you, but you can't overthink it or you're going get stuck in loop of thoughts rather than figuring out the time loop. (Just messing with you)

 

About the paradox: if there where parallel universes that could be mixed in asynchronous timing, would it still be a paradox?

 

About the Fade outside of time: If something is outside of time, it doesnt mean time is frozen, but actually there is no time at all. I think of it as a 4th dimension giant bubble that is shaped by actions in any 'linear' timeline, but because it is timeless the actions shape the whole bubble and can be seen from all other timelines. So if you look at it from a specific timestate (sorry for the word, i dont know how else to say it, hope its understandable) , you may see it taking a new form, because of a future action that is shaping it, but you can still see the result of it


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It started off as me trying to teach Evie about Solas and it went to a really strange place.

 

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The problem wasn't just the gods. It had become more than that. It was the system. The warring was said to be a constant, made worse when the pantheon had to fight against "The Forgotten Ones". Fen'Harel saw that the lower class Elvhen people were casualties of their (the Pantheon's and The Forgotten Ones') war and as such needed to seal both parties away. Once that was done there were still the High Keepers and Highborn Elvhen people to take care of. How do you think they would have reacted. They obviously liked their own luxuries. They were on top of the fallacies perpetuated by such a broken system, never feeling the negative effects. They lived like kings and were devout to their gods. What do you think spurred the fall of Arlathan, what caused the continued conflict? It was the fact that the system had been implanted deep within the people. Even without the Gods present,  nobles and priests would still fight and die in their names to keep the status quo. Meanwhile, the slaves that could, would rebel seeing as the gods were gone. Internal strife, civil war. With no one to rule over them, to stem the chaos, then it would consume them. Besides, how could Fen'Harel have stood against both "The Forgotten Ones" and the Pantheon without subterfuge. If he was leading a rebellion, you'd think he would've waited to show himself until he found a way to stop those in power before they found out about his plans.

 

Given his conversation with Sera,

 

  • Solas: I heard about your organization, Sera. I am impressed.
  • Sera: Is this a trick?
  • Solas: Hardly. But it is an opportunity. You have already divided your group's membership. That is wise. No one cell can betray all your secrets. The next step is to establish a rhythm. When your enemies pursue, you vanish. When they become complacent, you harass them. When they are weak, you strike in earnest.

 

I'd say he was a very strategic man as well as being known for his cunning. He would've used the war between both the Pantheon and "The Forgotten Ones" to manipulate them to his ends. Otherwise, he surely would've failed, even with Mythal's help.

 

 

Do you think that perhaps Fen constructed his own smear campaign to try and confuse his enemies? Take a look at that name on some of those Dalish codices;

"as told by Gisharel, Keeper of the Ralaferin clan of the Dalish elves". Some of us have suspected that something wasn't right with those tales.

Perhaps one of the reasons why Solafen is disappointed with the Dalish is that they follow the lies he sowed. He says that he tried to teach the Dalish but they did not listen to him. And now he screwed himself over while trying to dodge his enemies.

 

 

 

It doesn't work like that. Dreamers get "visions" of a possible future and it's said that everything dreamer's vision will be different even if dreaming of the same event. This is in relation to how you affect The Fade in my opinion. Specifically, how your persona affects The Fade around you as well as how naturally gifted you are as a dreamer and as a mage. This would make every interpretation skewed by your own perception in a very concrete way (ironically) given your perceptions actually alter your environment rather than just, well... help you perceive it..

 

Flemeth had made predictions about Loghain in The Calling. She also said in DA2 (upon meeting her for the first time) "Is it fate or chance? I can never decide."

Then Sandal says (in DA2) " The old lady is scary. She has a scary laugh", and Bodahn says that Sandal "says he saw an old lady standing by his bed". There is something similar that happens in DAI; an elven servant in Val Royeaux tells his master that a woman talks to him in his dreams and that her name is Mythal.

One other thing of note is that Flemythal tells Morrigan "In this place, my power is greater than yours." when you are in the Fade looking for Kieran. Therefore, I think Mythal and/or Flemeth is a Dreamer. Or maybe both? Which means that not only can she affect people's dreams but she also has visions.

 

By the way, I like your theories and analyses. Keep 'em coming! :)


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