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[Sable Rhapsody]

I miss the days when I thought Solas was just an antisocial fade nerd who was unexpectedly sweet and kind and compassionate.

 

Here's the ironic thing:

 

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Solas was his original name.  He took on the title of Dread Wolf to strike fear into the Enuvaris and free the elves.  So much of our theorizing was based on Solas hiding his true self with the Inquisition, when in fact it was more the opposite.  He could be himself again, without all the burdens and torments attached to the Dread Wolf.  

 

The antisocial Fade nerd who was unexpectedly sweet and kind and compassionate is probably closer to the original Solas.

 

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oh god, high friendship Dorian was just the cutest in this DLC. Like in the epilogue, where he mentioned he was constantly in touch with the quizzy through the crystal...

 

now I have extra motive to reload a pre-cory save and attempt to get him and Bull together.

 

For someone who had only one game, Dorian Pavus is making a strong push for Garrus Vakarian's Bestest Bro Ever crown.

 

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I didn't tear up at any of the Solas stuff, but I almost cried over high friendship Dorian.  And Varric.  And Sera.  Seriously, with friends like these who needs the egg?  I think after Trespasser and disbanding the Inquisition, my Lavellan's going to accompany Dorian across the Waking Sea, then stop at her shiny new Kirkwall estate while he moves onto Tevinter.  For a nice vacation that has nothing to do with Red Jenny shenanigans

 

[Aroihkin]

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no i think the stinger was that you go to tevinter and the hint that the inquisitor is the next protag. and yes. i can agree - no new protags!

 

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Double the spoiler tag, double the fun!

 

(Seriously, actual spoilers ahead.)

 

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I really, really, really, REALLY want the protagonist of DA4 to be the Inquisitor (former or otherwise). They have the most chips in the game (other than Solas himself, I suppose) even if they didn't romance him... and a romanced Lavellan? Whoo boy. Like, I want this to the degree where I don't know what I'll think of it if they announce some new Big Damn Hero.

 

Also, as someone who is disabled IRL, I REALLY want to actually get to play a disabled protagonist. Even with a prosthetic, it ain't gonna be perfect, and it shouldn't be. Hell, all Alleyana needs there is something to strap a shield to and she'll be fighting at about 80-90% capacity once she's fully adapted to it. Which hey, that's one way to tone down her combat OP-ness at the start of a new game. (That and no Anchor, of course.)

 

Anyway. Please bioware, no more random new protags. This one is perfectly set up to tackle the next game's plot, even with a new cast of followers. Let's do that.

[Uirebhiril]

So... endgame choice spoilers for Trespasser:

 

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What did everyone choose? I went with disband first, but will go back and see the outcome for keeping the inquisition. Someone asked Patrick on twitter:

 

Does efforts against Solas mean you're more likely to track him down (stronger) or less likely to (weaker)? Or vice versa?

 

...and Patrick replied with "spoilers!" Wonder what that's going to mean...

[Renmiri1]

@Aroikin - agreed

[Renmiri1]

So... endgame choice spoilers for Trespasser:

 

Spoiler

What did everyone choose? I went with disband first, but will go back and see the outcome for keeping the inquisition. Someone asked Patrick on twitter:

 

Does efforts against Solas mean you're more likely to track him down (stronger) or less likely to (weaker)? Or vice versa?

 

...and Patrick replied with "spoilers!" Wonder what that's going to mean...

 

I think

 

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It might still be possible to turn him

[Sable Rhapsody]

So... endgame choice spoilers for Trespasser:

 

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What did everyone choose? I went with disband first, but will go back and see the outcome for keeping the inquisition. Someone asked Patrick on twitter:

 

Does efforts against Solas mean you're more likely to track him down (stronger) or less likely to (weaker)? Or vice versa?

 

...and Patrick replied with "spoilers!" Wonder what that's going to mean...

 

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I went with disband.

 

Here's the way my Lavellan saw it; no matter how much oversight the Inquisition had under the Chantry, there were always going to be holes.  Why hand Solas more weapons?  Besides, from her perspective, armies and influence will only slow Solas down.  They won't stop him.  People are going to stop him, and that personal connection is always stronger with a smaller band of friends than a large organization.

 

And she still remembers how history went.  Cass/Leliana/Viv might be a personal friend who's on your side, but she didn't want the Inquisition back in bed with the Chantry for the long haul.

[S.W.]

Here's the ironic thing:

 

Spoiler

Solas was his original name.  He took on the title of Dread Wolf to strike fear into the Enuvaris and free the elves.  So much of our theorizing was based on Solas hiding his true self with the Inquisition, when in fact it was more the opposite.  He could be himself again, without all the burdens and torments attached to the Dread Wolf.  

 

The antisocial Fade nerd who was unexpectedly sweet and kind and compassionate is probably closer to the original Solas.

 

 

For someone who had only one game, Dorian Pavus is making a strong push for Garrus Vakarian's Bestest Bro Ever crown.

 

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I didn't tear up at any of the Solas stuff, but I almost cried over high friendship Dorian.  And Varric.  And Sera.  Seriously, with friends like these who needs the egg?  I think after Trespasser and disbanding the Inquisition, my Lavellan's going to accompany Dorian across the Waking Sea, then stop at her shiny new Kirkwall estate while he moves onto Tevinter.  For a nice vacation that has nothing to do with Red Jenny shenanigans

 

 

Well, he's witty, adorable, a "terrible" example of a turian tevinter - you could make an argument for him being a spiritual successor, of sorts.

 

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me too! the friendship stuff was great. I genuinely jumped for joy when Viscount Varric said he was gonna make me a Comtess and that he'd be working with elves of Wycome - where clan Lavellen is, if alive - on my behalf, like wow. And Sera is absolutely great in this DLC - still lol'ing at the fact that you throw eggs, of all things, at people - and she's really sympathetic about some of the elfier stuff, like those revelations about Fen'harel freeing slaves etc.

 

I think Sera is probably my favourite character now. Honestly, at times I think she's the only person with a clue. I know my quizzy disbanded the Inquisition, knowing it'd be better to track down egg on her own, and spends most of her time moving from city to city, looking up clues whilst she's planning pranks with Sera, embracing the rash and impulsive side she never knew she had.

[Uirebhiril]

I think

 

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It might still be possible to turn him

 

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I'd like to see that too, but how the bless are we to do that with a new protagonist?

[midnight tea]

Watch out for those spoilers, romance-relevant screens from epilogue.

 

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Anyone found it kinda adorable (though this is the wrong word probably, given all the circumstances xD) - and something that brings some hope for broken hearts - that the epilogue claims that Lavellan sometimes feels Solas' presence in her dreams and that she's trying to reach to him? D'awwwwwwww.

 

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Also, the 'ironic'/teary-eyed response after "May the Dread Wolf take you" is probably my favorite. Mostly that after she just confronts him with 'tell me the truth if you care!' he just takes this meek step back. Goddamnit, they thought about everything...

[Aren]

Also, please sign me up to Team June.

 

 

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The one thing I was disappointed about (and not really, but I'd hoped for it), was no mention of the blight. I think that's the one missing piece of the puzzle here - I'm pretty sure it pre-dates Corypheus and the magisters entering the fade physically. If removing the veil can somehow deal with the blight permanently, then I think Solas' plans are (slightly) less murderously batshit. (seriously, he makes murderpope Leliana look as harmless as a mouse, in comparison.)

 

I would hope it comes down to more than elven supremacist who struggles to see us as people vs. everything else.

 

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I miss the days when I thought Solas was just an antisocial fade nerd who was unexpectedly sweet and kind and compassionate.

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without the veil there will be a demons party and the black city released  into the world

[drosophila]

I am done with Tresspasser. This is my initial reaction before having caught up with the thread or read anyone else's impressions. 

 

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A while ago I posted that the saddest ending for me would be seeing Solas become corrupted in a way that he betrays the very moral principles he professes to uphold. Well, shit. I really think he has gotten into that territory. I suspected he created the veil and that his plan would be something that endangers modern Thedas, but actually seeing that play out is very, very devastating. The way he talks about it, saying, "I am not a monster. If these people are to die, I would at least let them have some comfort first." (Totally not an exact quote.) It makes him sound like he is a monster who is rationalizing his actions. 

 

I can see his point of view. He has lost everything and the pain of that loss is driving him towards a desperate attempt to restore what was. In his pain he does not want to see that the world has changed and that there are new, real people living in it now, and these are living beings that he has to destroy. Still doesn't make it right. 

 

I was thoroughly spoiled and was dreading the scene where he takes Lavellan's hand, but compared to everything else he said in that scene, the hand thing ended up looking like a gesture of kindness, by far the most humane thing he did. And that says a lot. 

 

So, all in all, I feel so, so, so sad for him. But I did like the option where the Inquisition (I totally kept it running)  is hunting him to try to save him from himself rather than defeat him. 

 

And last but not least... Oh, boy, TEVINTER! I literally screamed with excitement when she struck her knife on that spot on the map. This complements my particular headcanon so well.

 

Iron Bull's betrayal... Meh. I really liked his character, but he acted so weird from the start of the DLC that it was just obvious it was coming, and amidst the emotional turmoil of everything else I guess I didn't have any feels left. 

 

I need time and Nutella now. 

 

[Ardent Blossom]

SPOILERS DON'T CLICK IT UNLESS YOU WANT TRESPASSER SPOILED

 

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 You guys...group hug. It was an awesome DLC. The music was epic. The lore dump was an elf geek's delight. The combat was challenging. I had to go from nightmare back down to normal on the final fight. It was really the best Bioware DLC I've played since Awakening. I seriously liked it better than any Mass Effect DLC. I'm sure I would have really adored it to death if I wasn't a Solasmancer. I didn't cry. I felt as if the whole thing was engineered to make us not cry. Weekes really didn't want to tick us off, but his hands were tied. That's why now "they didn't" is canon (which is ok with me). I wanted to cry, but the end really just left me...tranquil. I feel pretty impervious to pain right now. I think I'll go watch What Dreams May Come and not cry 'cause I could probably manage to do that now. 

 

I'm annoyed that our slightly-less-satisfying Inquisition experiences were USED to make Bioware's tragic antihero more sad and they make absolutely no apology for it. I just hope they don't do this to any isolated player character type again. I wouldn't wish this on a Krogan or dwarf enthusiast, and I despise the Krogan and dwarves. If there is potential for horrible tragedy with no fix or work around, all player characters ought to have equal access.

 

On the other hand (you know the one Solas probably kept as a souvenir), the end made me think we might get to play our Inquisition characters again just not as the Inquisitor. If my elfy selfie gets to save Solas from himself in the next game then I will be thrilled and all will be forgiven. Previously the devs acted like new game=new character. I imagine the only reason Lavellan can't walk through the eluvian with Solas (as a Warden could with Morrigan) is because they need all ex-Quizzies in the same situation for the sequel. I'm holding onto my team optimism flag...I'm just putting it away in the closet for a couple years.

[Jaderail]

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Double the spoiler tag, double the fun!

 

(Seriously, actual spoilers ahead.)

 

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I really, really, really, REALLY want the protagonist of DA4 to be the Inquisitor (former or otherwise). They have the most chips in the game (other than Solas himself, I suppose) even if they didn't romance him... and a romanced Lavellan? Whoo boy. Like, I want this to the degree where I don't know what I'll think of it if they announce some new Big Damn Hero.

 

Also, as someone who is disabled IRL, I REALLY want to actually get to play a disabled protagonist. Even with a prosthetic, it ain't gonna be perfect, and it shouldn't be. Hell, all Alleyana needs there is something to strap a shield to and she'll be fighting at about 80-90% capacity once she's fully adapted to it. Which hey, that's one way to tone down her combat OP-ness at the start of a new game. (That and no Anchor, of course.)

 

Anyway. Please bioware, no more random new protags. This one is perfectly set up to tackle the next game's plot, even with a new cast of followers. Let's do that.

 

Completely agree. I also really feel like the buildup of the Solavellan romance is probably one of my favorite things ever, and to continue it in another games would be amazing. Regardless, the ending of Trespasser feels like an intermission just before the climax of the story. 

[neonmoth]

Just finished my Solavellan pt and it's been a bumpy ride, so lots of virtual cookies for those in need.

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I wasn't expecting sunshine and rainbows, still it hurt so good. Admittedly, I loved practically everything about the final meeting. I salute PWeekes for adding romance into his plot, love the character with all his flaws and all the goods.

[Aulis Vaara]

Too many spoilers in here :-(

I've only been able to play 2.5 hours and now I'm on my way to work. I thought this place would be a safe haven.

[Sable Rhapsody]

SPOILERS DON'T CLICK IT UNLESS YOU WANT TRESPASSER SPOILED

 

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 I'm holding onto my team optimism flag...I'm just putting it away in the closet for a couple years.

 

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Same.  And I agree with you about the DLC not being too painful.

 

Because you know what my Lavellan's going to do after disbanding the Inquisition?  Take a vacation.  Work with Three-Eyes, Dagna, and Varric on that sweet-looking prosthetic arm from the Red Jenny slide.  Enjoy that estate in Hightown and maybe give Seneschal Bran a heart attack.  Maybe, finally, get a chance to visit her family in Wycome.  The whole time, she's going to keep her ears open for news on Solas, but she's not going to let him make her miserable.

[ElvenTempest]

It went by so fast but I capped it and I am staring at them so sadly, god.

 

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http://i.imgur.com/F0o6chv.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2Qbv2dj.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/LvhTrAY.jpg

 

IM FINE. Okay?!

 

 

p.s.

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Can we get her a b*tchin hand? So many possibilities.

[Solas]

SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS UNDER CUT

 

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I just finished and 1) A W E S O M E 2) can we talk about how I was right about like 90% of everything Solas/elf related LMFAO

 

this is my one crowing-about it post I promise  

[Hanako Ikezawa]

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Yes you do- he loves you- he admits as much- and if you look at history (not video game history but actual real history) love is a great weapon- it has been used against many of the greatest historical figures of all time as a means of destroying them either literally as in killing them or in terms of destroying their power base and their reputation and many of those people like Julius Caesar are would be seen as godlike in Thedas just as Fen-Solas is  

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I wasn't referring to a romance playthrough, just a regular playthrough since that has the least reason why he would spare you unless he saw you as no threat to him.

[Rabbitonfire]

It went by so fast but I capped it and I am staring at them so sadly, god.

 

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http://i.imgur.com/F0o6chv.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2Qbv2dj.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/LvhTrAY.jpg

 

IM FINE. Okay?!

 

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Watching you sleep is the most endearing action.

 

He whispers in your dreams, " I like watching you sleep. It sorta fascinates me".

 

Then he wanders off in his furry wolf suit.

[Solas]

regarding my post up there:

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referring to this post here I made 9 months ago

[Sifr]

So... endgame choice spoilers for Trespasser:

 

Spoiler

What did everyone choose? I went with disband first, but will go back and see the outcome for keeping the inquisition. Someone asked Patrick on twitter:

 

Does efforts against Solas mean you're more likely to track him down (stronger) or less likely to (weaker)? Or vice versa?

 

...and Patrick replied with "spoilers!" Wonder what that's going to mean...

 

Some obscured lines (aka spoilers);

 

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I went with continue the Inquisition under the Divine (Leliana) and working as a peacekeeping organisation.

 

While there is the possibility for history to repeat like the previous Inquisition and obviously there might be holes Solas' spies can slip through, I couldn't bring myself to disband something that brought people together and had done so much good for so many. Rather than sit on it's laurels and bask in the glory after having saved the world, the whole point of the Inquisition was that it should never stop trying to save the world or helping people.

 

And if Solas knows we're watching, that just means that Solas has one more reason to rethink his plans, because he knows we are watching.

 

As an odd little side note, did anyone else find it somewhat amusing that like the old Dalish tale about the Dread Wolf and the Mabari, we can end with Lavellan watching guard to thwart Solas' plans, prepared to hound his steps and try to keep the wolf from harming the people?

 

It's bittersweet that she's forced to hunt her lover to save him from himself, but I think that she has the willingness and determination to refuse to give up, goes to show just how extraordinary of a person Lavellan is and why Solas fell in love with her.

[Uirebhiril]

Some more musings due to the DLC and the outcome and so forth... this is about the thread and people here more than the game itself.

 

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With revelations being what they are, and how that changes the opinions some had on Solas, I hope we can still go on being a thread full of people who can discuss the good and bad points of the character and not have it become the Anders 2.0 flamewar. I full respect and understand some people hate Solas now, or at least are drastically different in their view from where they started the day. I still like him just fine, and my Lavellan is taking it as her personal mission to talk him down if she can, but I know that's not how everyone rolls. I just think it would be a tragedy to the discussion of lore and the theorycrafting that has gone on in here if the thread splits into haters vs. romancers.

 

I guess in time people will fade away until the next game is announced anyhow, but until then... let's keep it good, whether you still like or love Solas or not. We've had a damn good thing here, I'd hate to see that end before its time too.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Some obscured lines (aka spoilers);

 

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It's bittersweet that she's forced to hunt her lover to save him from himself, but I think that she has the willingness and determination to refuse to give up, goes to show just how extraordinary of a person Lavellan is and why Solas fell in love with her.

 

SO MUCH THIS.

 

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I was already very attached to my Lavellan before this DLC, and now she's one of my very favorites.  She has such integrity and resilience of spirit, and that makes her stand out even among all the other PCs I've played.

[Mims]

Since we are posting thoughts! I'll probably ramble more coherently when it isn't almost 2am in the morning. 

 

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I absolutely loved it. Although things might not have gone the way some of us hoped, I thought the storyline they presented us was excellent. We got to see both parts of Solas- some that were heroic, and some that were villainous.

 

But more important, the Inquisitor [particularly Lavellan], got to end the game on a proactive note. I was worried that the Inquisitor would sort of be brushed aside, particularly now that they no longer have the mark. Seems like it'll be just the opposite! Mark or not, the Inquisition will continue to stand against those who threaten the world. Even if its a former friend.

 

Romance bits were good- although I'll admit, Dorian and Iron Bull stole the show. Here I am trying to have a tragic romance and they are just so amazing. I got a bit teared up in their ending slides, I won't lie.

 

I really think this DLC showed a lot of love bioware has towards the fans. Just so many shout outs and nice moments. I hope people who are feeling burned about the romance try another route with a new character. There's a lot of great stuff. The ending credits were a perfect touch.

 

 

But my biggest pressing question: why do we keep stabbing maps. Seriously, those cost money.