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[ElvenTempest]

I just wanted to bring up this for a sec.

 

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Her face slays my soul here. 

Anyone else going through their caps and listening to really tragic love songs? No? Yes?

[Janic99]

Now I am just up to making videos.. omg.. I could not sleep... I am still so mind f**ked by this dlc

[midnight tea]

You know...

 

"DA4" musings - based on ending/spoilerish stuff from Trespasser:

 

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If they did surprise us by having the Inquisitor for the protagonist in the next game, chopping off the arm is certainly one way to do it. You have the uber power removed, and you'll be at "noob" level with having to learn how to fight with whatever dwarven prosthetic they whip up. It could work.

 

Just not sure how likely that is. All I know is I still don't feel like the Inquisitor's story is over, even if the inquisition-as-an-organization is.

 

Spoiler

Well, let's consider what they've LIKELY had in plans earlier, before DAII turned out to not be as as stellar as the first game - it does seem like Hawke WAS supposed to be Inquisitor at some point. So likely they've considered either same protagonist OR had the story center more around protagonist, who will play a larger role in the future game, instead of being delegated to an NPC "on a mysterious mission".

 

Though personally I think we'd likely play Inquisition's agent - or someone who gets caught in the middle of 'underground' fight between Inquisition and Fen'Harel's forces... Well, unless they'd go another route and introduce YET another player into the field. I highly doubt the Blight, Enavuris or Old Gods just forgot their own plans and are not working in the background as well...

[Sabriel.]

Ok I just completed the DLC and

Spoiler

While it was amazing I really don't know if I'm a Solas fan anymore :') The Solas I just spoke to is not the thoughtful elf who told Cassandra that he believes in the rights of "all free-willed people to exist."

 

It turns out he's not as smart as we thought. And way more villainous than I expected, at least. (I'd say things like "what if he wants to restore the elves....but only at the expense of all other races!" before, but only hypothetically, wow.) My poor Lavellan is much nicer than I and decided to try and redeem him but.........I wonder.

 

I guess the really frustrating part is that if Solas likes/loves the Inquisitor and admits they changed his mind about Thedas then.....why are we even having this conversation where you're telling me about how you're going to destroy it? He's seriously like "I was wrong, but I'm still going to end this hopeless world, but I hope you can prove me wrong again!" Uhhh, that makes no sense. It's not even really for the greater good/the good of the elves, it's just for his greater good. And it will probably end terribly anyway. There's no way that bringing the Veil down now that it's been up for so long will turn out well for anybody. In spite of his "plans" I'm pretty sure the old pantheon will only have the singular goal of killing him, for one. 

 

I'm extra happy I was already interpreting that they never had sex before he left, because that whole reveal would have made Lavellan feel even worse than she was otherwise. I need to get to a post-game state with my lone Trevelyan who hates his guts. Maybe the scene will play out differently and his world-destroying goal will at least make sense then.

[CapricornSun]

Spoiler

You forgot what Inquisitor said before that.

Solas: What was that old Dalish saying? "May the Dread Wolf take you"?
 

The Inquisitor's response is under "Yes, ironically" and then she shakes her head and says "And so he did."

There are very limited ways to interpret this

 

The "I would not lay with you under false pretenses" is simply him saying "I might have not said who I really was, but my feelings for you were genuine, and not part of the long con".

 

Spoiler

This was sort of what my initial take on that line as well. I interpreted it as if he did sleep with her, it was because he truly did love her and not because he had some malicious intent. Also, the "Yes. Ironically" option.

 

Though I believe it could be interpreted both ways.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Ok I just completed the DLC and

Spoiler

While it was amazing I really don't know if I'm a Solas fan anymore :') The Solas I just spoke to is not the thoughtful elf who told Cassandra that he believes in the rights of "all free-willed people to exist."

 

It turns out he's not as smart as we thought. And way more villainous than I expected, at least. (I'd say things like "what if he wants to restore the elves....but only at the expense of all other races!" before, but only hypothetically, wow.) My poor Lavellan is much nicer than I and decided to try and redeem him but.........I wonder.

 

I guess the really frustrating part is that if Solas likes/loves the Inquisitor and admits they changed his mind about Thedas then.....why are we even having this conversation where you're telling me about how you're going to destroy it? He's seriously like "I was wrong, but I'm still going to end this hopeless world, but I hope you can prove me wrong again!" Uhhh, that makes no sense. It's not even really for the greater good/the good of the elves, it's just for his greater good. And it will probably end terribly anyway. There's no way that bringing the Veil down now that it's been up for so long will turn out well for anybody. In spite of his "plans" I'm pretty sure the old pantheon will only have the singular goal of killing him, for one. 

 

I need to get to a post-game state with my lone Trevelyan who hates his guts. Maybe the scene will play out differently and his world-destroying goal will at least make sense then.

 

There, there. Let me comfort you, or try to...

 

Spoiler

Solas is a combination, a mix of Anders, Loghain and Magneto. Once you understand that, you will understand Solas as a character.

[Roxy]

I'd reply to all of you that replied to my post awhile ago but I'm on my IPad and it's kind of hard to respond to a few at a time. Sorry.

I want to say though....

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the anchor going crazy scared the heck out of me but I was glad my Lavellan had friends that were concerned. I know Lavellan and Solas's story isn't over but I don't like that we have to wait till next game to see what happens and also you can tell he still loves her.

[what-the-honk]

Spoiler

You forgot what Inquisitor said before that.

Solas: What was that old Dalish saying? "May the Dread Wolf take you"?
 

The Inquisitor's response is under "Yes, ironically" and then she shakes her head and says "And so he did."

There are very limited ways to interpret this

 

The "I would not lay with you under false pretenses" is simply him saying "I might have not said who I really was, but my feelings for you were genuine, and not part of the long con".

 

Spoiler

so then the two ways that you can interpret is is that

 

1) solas and the inquisitor DIDNT sleep together, because he wasn't telling the whole truth about who/what he was, which meant he would be sleeping with you under a disguise

 

OR

 

2) solas and the inquisitor DID sleep together, and his feelings for her weren't part of his lies (or rather, non-specifications)

 

personally i prefer the first one. in my humble opinion i don't see solas as someone who cares much for sex, much less see it as the be-all end-all of romantic relationships. i prefer to imagine my inquisitor and solas cuddling, swapping spit, and sleeping on her comfy bed rather than him getting his ancient elven d*ck wet anyway. thats just me doe

 

but unless confirmed one way or the other by weekes or another dev, we can at least still interpret the solas-lavellan sex the way we please, how weekes intended in the first place.

[ElvenTempest]

There, there. Let me comfort you, or try to...

 

Spoiler

Solas is a combination, a mix of Anders, Loghain and Magneto. Once you understand that, you will understand Solas as a character.

 

Which reminds me...

Spoiler

Kill, Marry, Bang

Kill Loghain

Marry Magneto

Bang Anders

 

I feel conflicted about Anders but I couldn't see long term there.

 

I think I made some good choices. Sorry. I need gross distractions from feels, ya'll

[midnight tea]

Spoiler

This was sort of what my initial take on that line as well. I interpreted it as if he did sleep with her, it was because he truly did love her and not because he had some malicious intent. Also, the "Yes. Ironically" option.

 

Though I believe it could be interpreted both ways.

 

Spoiler

There's hardly any other way to really take this part of dialogue. In how many other ways he could "take her", and why he'd even mention sleeping with her if it wasn't in the context of what was implied there? Any other option avoids him or Lavellan steering the conversation into that area.

 

Personally I think it was writers' nod in what pretty much turned into a joke among Solasmancers Though they managed to turn it into something pwetty. I like how vulnerable he looks, not just throughout most conversation, but specifically at the end of that particular dialogue option.

[Uirebhiril]

Spoiler

Well, let's consider what they've LIKELY had in plans earlier, before DAII turned out to not be as as stellar as the first game - it does seem like Hawke WAS supposed to be Inquisitor at some point. So likely they've considered either same protagonist OR had the story center more around protagonist, who will play a larger role in the future game, instead of being delegated to an NPC "on a mysterious mission".

 

Though personally I think we'd likely play Inquisition's agent - or someone who gets caught in the middle of 'underground' fight between Inquisition and Fen'Harel's forces... Well, unless they'd go another route and introduce YET another player into the field. I highly doubt the Blight, Enavuris or Old Gods just forgot their own plans and are not working in the background as well...

 

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I'd be kind of miffed if in the next game we're forced to suddenly be hunting down Solas and not at least have the option of saying "no really, I'm GOOD with helping!" Whether or not any of us would, being forced to only be able to fight against it is taking too much choice away.  I'm sure someone's character would be the sort to just let it happen and see it as a good sacrifice to help the elves.

 

And that's also why I don't want to have an unknown protagonist next game. WTF do they have to do with it, and just how could they work when they have none of the knowledge and experience with Solas that the Inquisitor and companions did? That would be awful and a waste of having set Solas up to be at least somewhat sympathetic and layered as a character. Then he just becomes Yet Another Bad Guy to be stopped by Random New Protagonist. Pft. If it comes down to having to fight and stop him, that should go to the people who know him, whether they hated or loved him. 

[Roxy]

Spoiler

I'm still upset ....I was really hoping for a "come with me, Vhenan!" They both go into the Eluvian together and live happily ever after....lol *sighs* oh well......

[Bayonet Hipshot]

How to deal with Solas ? Here you go:

 

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Whether any of you want to kill Solas or not is up to you but personally I would rather talk him out of it or find a way to depower him.

 

Yes Solas is extremely powerful now. He can perform powerful magic with just his eyes. However, at the end of the day, Solas is still a mage. A mage's power can be blocked or nullified, regardless of how powerful a mage is.

 

The best way to deal with Solas is to get a group of well trained Seekers. They are specifically trained to combat powerful mages and powerful magics. Which is probably what Cassandra is doing if you let her to do so.

 

I believe the epilogue slides hints at Cassandra doing something secretive with the Seekers. I believe she may actually be working towards this goal. This is because she appears at the War Table in Skyhold, regardless of what you do.

[Elessara]

Ok I just completed the DLC and

Spoiler

While it was amazing I really don't know if I'm a Solas fan anymore :') The Solas I just spoke to is not the thoughtful elf who told Cassandra that he believes in the rights of "all free-willed people to exist."

 

It turns out he's not as smart as we thought. And way more villainous than I expected, at least. (I'd say things like "what if he wants to restore the elves....but only at the expense of all other races!" before, but only hypothetically, wow.) My poor Lavellan is much nicer than I and decided to try and redeem him but.........I wonder.

 

I guess the really frustrating part is that if Solas likes/loves the Inquisitor and admits they changed his mind about Thedas then.....why are we even having this conversation where you're telling me about how you're going to destroy it? He's seriously like "I was wrong, but I'm still going to end this hopeless world, but I hope you can prove me wrong again!" Uhhh, that makes no sense. It's not even really for the greater good/the good of the elves, it's just for his greater good. And it will probably end terribly anyway. There's no way that bringing the Veil down now that it's been up for so long will turn out well for anybody. In spite of his "plans" I'm pretty sure the old pantheon will only have the singular goal of killing him, for one. 

 

I'm extra happy I was already interpreting that they never had sex before he left, because that whole reveal would have made Lavellan feel even worse than she was otherwise. I need to get to a post-game state with my lone Trevelyan who hates his guts. Maybe the scene will play out differently and his world-destroying goal will at least make sense then.

 

Spoiler

 

What I don't particularly understand is, ok he created the Veil to save the elves from the slavery of false gods and the Evanuris seemed bent on destroying the world anyway with their petty power struggles and then they went too far and killed Mythal.  So now he's going to remove the Veil and release them and what's changed?  Nothing.  The Evanuris are still really powerful and probably still petty and view themselves as gods.  How does this help?

 

[CapricornSun]

Spoiler

There's hardly any other way to really take this part of dialogue. In how any other ways he could "take her", and why he'd even mention sleeping with her if it wasn't in the context of what was implied there? Any other option avoids him steering the conversation into that area.

 

Spoiler

I think I read one person interpreting "taking her" meaning "taking her heart". But yes, the fact that he mentioned laying with her did convince me that they did do the do.

 

It's just the fact that other people seem to interpret it differently that makes me believe that the line is not as clear cut as I thought it would be. Also, looking at Tumblr (sorry to bring tumblr into this btw) ace!Solas fans seem to take that line as confirmation that Solas never had sex with Lavellan, which is why I feel that the line could be interpreted either they did or didn't have sex depending on what works with your Inquisitor.

[Janic99]

hey I need to know this:

Spoiler

I had Iron Bull with me and at one point he attacked me.. tried to kill my lavellan and I had to kill him Ö_Ö I was so shocked like: WHY!?
I mean I was wondering if it was because I did not do his personal quest because I think my game had a bug.. it never triggered his or blackwall's personal quests... that sucks so much. I literally did everything in the game and went to talk to them.. never got them triggered -.-  
kinda sad.. not gonna play it again like that though.

[SamanthaJ]

Spoiler

This was sort of what my initial take on that line as well. I interpreted it as if he did sleep with her, it was because he truly did love her and not because he had some malicious intent. Also, the "Yes. Ironically" option.

 

Though I believe it could be interpreted both ways.

 

Spoiler

It was confirmed by Patrick on Twitter that the choice of whether they slept together or not is still present, so that's good news.

 

I said in the spoilers thread that on one hand he could consider being Fen'Harel and sleeping with Lavellan a false pretense.

 

On the other hand Fen'Harel is the title he was given and his true identity is Solas who existed before there ever was a Fen'Harel. Therefore if it is Solas who is sleeping with  her then it isn't a false pretense, and his feelings are certainly real. I think it works either way.

[Uirebhiril]

Spoiler

 

What I don't particularly understand is, ok he created the Veil to save the elves from the slavery of false gods and the Evanuris seemed bent on destroying the world anyway with their petty power struggles and then they went too far and killed Mythal.  So now he's going to remove the Veil and release them and what's changed?  Nothing.  The Evanuris are still really powerful and probably still petty and view themselves as gods.  How does this help?

 

 

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He said he "had plans." I wonder what they were.

 

Also two observations I made and wondered about...

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One, who took Cole with them? At one point he made a comment about how Solas is "...not that kind of wolf," and then makes a comment about the wolf chewing off his leg and something about a trap. We were currently being slaughtered or about to be slaughtered when that was said, so I don't remember it too well. Anyone else get that?

 

And second, did anyone else notice Solas' eyes briefly glowing when he embraces Lavellan? Maybe means nothing, maybe...?

[laurelinvanyar]

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Solas reminds me of Loghain Mac Tir in Origins.

 

Loghain:- "I do what I must for Ferelden. I will protect Ferelden at any cost !"

 

Solas:- "I do what I must for the Elvhen. I will protect the People at any cost !"

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I have a bit of a problem with that comparison, though I admit I'm pretty biased (Loghain fangirl). 

 

Loghain is working under limited information. He doesn't know wardens are necessary. All he knows is that the wardens are hinging their support against the blight (y'know, the whole purpose for their order) on Ferelden accepting Orlesian troops. That looks like a hostile foreign invasion to me, and probably worse to Loghain (who is already super primed to be paranoid about Orlais). 

 

Solas is the one with all the information. And he STILL chooses to burninate the world. Whatever misconceptions he's suffering under, it's entirely self-inflicted through his own guilt and/or his own refusal to see modern thedas as anything other than a mistake.  

[what-the-honk]

hey I need to know this:

Spoiler

I had Iron Bull with me and at one point he attacked me.. tried to kill my lavellan and I had to kill him Ö_Ö I was so shocked like: WHY!?
I mean I was wondering if it was because I did not do his personal quest because I think my game had a bug.. it never triggered his or blackwall's personal quests... that sucks so much. I literally did everything in the game and went to talk to them.. never got them triggered -.-  
kinda sad.. not gonna play it again like that though.

Spoiler

 

did u have enough approval with him? i think that u have to get high approval and ask certain things before these quests will trigger.

bull also has to save the chargers and not the dreadnought

 

but still! at least it gives u an excuse to go through the game again!

[The Oracle]

DLC Spoiler's below

 

Spoiler

 

Welp, I'm just left a little speechless. I laughed, I cried, I sat staring at my screen and think "Waaaaa????". Ugh, it's too much. Barely got any sleep either as I chose Solas over sustenance. Maker, I hope we can redeem him. For all that i wanted to grab him by his pointy ears and shake some goddamn sense into him, I also just desperately wanted to hug him.

 

On the topic of our Quizzy, I don't think they'll be the next protag. I think that instead, they'll be a distant leader to our new protagonist, sending and receiving orders and reports, advising and guiding based on their knowledge with a possible ending cameo for when Solas is confronted and (possibly) defeated. The wait for a new game, if there is one, will be agonizing, This DLc really didn't help to lessen the Solas feels, if anything I feel like my hearts been broken all over again. Damn you Weekes!

 

[midnight tea]

Spoiler

I'd be kind of miffed if in the next game we're forced to suddenly be hunting down Solas and not at least have the option of saying "no really, I'm GOOD with helping!" Whether or not any of us would, being forced to only be able to fight against it is taking too much choice away.  I'm sure someone's character would be the sort to just let it happen and see it as a good sacrifice to help the elves.

 

And that's also why I don't want to have an unknown protagonist next game. WTF do they have to do with it, and just how could they work when they have none of the knowledge and experience with Solas that the Inquisitor and companions did? That would be awful and a waste of having set Solas up to be at least somewhat sympathetic and layered as a character. Then he just becomes Yet Another Bad Guy to be stopped by Random New Protagonist. Pft. If it comes down to having to fight and stop him, that should go to the people who know him, whether they hated or loved him. 

 

Spoiler

Well, there's also a question of WTF they're going with all the new players they're going to attract? How are they going to explain that their protagonist is pretty much set, lacks a hand and is in the middle of organizing events they know nothing about?

 

Whatever they'd be doing, I think it would be interesting to see how people who don't know Solas react to him and his plans being unfolded. And the more I think about it, the more I like the setup of DA as a story of the world and not just one person in the world. It will make not just for interesting and varied reactions from gamers (whose decisions may vary depending how much games they played or reached for books, comics and else), but it will also show a complex web of decisions and influences from various more or less important protagonists, that either lock or unlock solutions to different problems. Fen'Harel after all didn't foresee Corypheus meddling with his plans. The same way Inqusisitor may or may not suspect a sudden ally or obstacle in form of our new PC that will eventually either help them crystallize their plans or turn them into dust.

 

Anyway - I think MAYBE there might be sequences of the game where we either regain control over Inquisitor or some or new protagonist's decisions are effectively Inky's decisions, or will influence them greatly, but I do think we should prepare ourselves for Inky to play a very important role later, but be delegated to NPC-land for the most part.

 

(... though, how FUN would it be to have Inky as companion, btw? I know it would be imposible, with as many variables as DAI had, but... it would be so cool!)

 

[Cee]

I'm not really paying attention in this forum/ thread until I finish, but my experience so far with the DLC has been mostly

 

Spoiler

 

 

I want to keep gooooooooing, but I need sleep.

 

It's soooo good so far though. Like, we are definitely hardcore elfy....and a Sandal reference.    I am currently on the raise platforms to go reach the Viddasala part.

 

 

Hopefully, be back in here to chat with you all about this soon.

[Janic99]

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did u have enough approval with him? i think that u have to get high approval and ask certain things before these quests will trigger.

bull also has to save the chargers and not the dreadnought

 

but still! at least it gives u an excuse to go through the game again!

Spoiler

Yes I think I did. Well not sure completely. I have played it multiple times but I don't know haha well I guess he dissaproved also a lot since I made Solas always approve... but yes true. I could play again. Though I have played like over 75 hours... now with this lavellan haha xD I am just still in shock.. it was in the middle of the night and I was just like almost screaming like: NOOOOOOOOOOO
haha

[Uirebhiril]

Spoiler

Well, there's also a question of WTF they're going with all the new players they're going to attract? How are they going to explain that their protagonist is pretty much set, lacks a hand and is in the middle of organizing events they know nothing about?

 

Whatever they'd be doing, I think it would be interesting to see how people who don't know Solas react to him and his plans being unfolded. And the more I think about it, the more I like the setup of DA as a story of the world and not just one person in the world. It will make not just for interesting and varied reactions from gamers (whose decisions may vary depending how much games they played or reached for books, comics and else), but it will also show a complex web of decisions and influences from various more or less important protagonists, that either lock or unlock solutions to different problems. Fen'Harel after all didn't foresee Corypheus meddling with his plans. The same way Inqusisitor may or may not suspect a sudden ally or obstacle in form of our new PC that will eventually either help them crystallize their plans or turn them into dust.

 

Anyway - I think MAYBE there might be sequences of the game where we either regain control over Inquisitor or some or new protagonist's decisions are effectively Inky's decisions, or will influence them greatly, but I do think we should prepare ourselves for Inky to play a very important role later, but be delegated to NPC-land for the most part.

 

(... though, how FUN would it be to have Inky as companion, btw? I know it would be imposible, with as many variables as DAI had, but... it would be so cool!)

 

 

Spoiler

You've got a point there, but it just feels so wrong to consider everything Solas being done by some new person. And it's not like that stopped people from picking up Mass Effect with the second or even last game. But... I don't know. Waiting for even more answers is going to be a pain.