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[Bayonet Hipshot]

So for once a non-spoiler.

 

What do people think of the Trials?  I haven't tried any yet.  

 

The trials make the game more playable to me and I love it. For reference, I am this kind of gamer:

 

 

So having MOAR CHALLENGE ! is a very good thing. I do not pick all the Trials though. I go with Even Ground, Walk Softly, Rest Easy, Travel Light and Grizzly End.  I love making a game feel more Dark Souls-ish.

 

 

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If it was that simple, wouldn't he just work with Cory? I think there's more to this story than we're yet to find, which likely includes various other enemies Solas has. He even tells Inky at one point that he respects her being so thoughtful, therefore he WON'T reveal everything to her.

 

Also - I remember seeing paintings in the ancient elvhen library that appear to suggest what I've suspected all along - there's likely a specific time Solas can achieve what he wants, which are likely related to the position of celestial bodies on the sky (ECLIPSE!!!)

 

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This. Solas is first and foremost, a Weekes character. He does not do pure black and white. He does gray characters. I believe Solas is not telling us much. Leliana also mentions that there have been strange happenings concerning Elves in Tirashan, whom she describes as being like Elves in the Arbor Wilds.

 

There are multiple players in Thedas right now:- Fen'Harel, Forgotten Ones, Evanuris, Blight, Titans, Qunari, Tevinter. I am sure Solas has more enemies that he lets on,

 

What's more, Solas is limited. Limited by his three main "weaknesses".

 

One is his uncompromising dislike for large organizations. Which means his forces will be small. If you notice, all his spies are basically Ancient Elves who were servants at Halamshiral for the Exalted Council or working for the Inquisition. They are not numerous but they do their job well. What I mean to say is that Solas will never win a fight on might alone. That was never the way of Fen'Harel.

 

Two is his view that everyone else in current Thedas are like Tranquils, with the exception of ancient Elves. Once again, this limits the amount of followers and by extension, the amount of influence and power he can have. I highly doubt people like Briala or Morrigan or Fiona will join him, no matter how pro-freedom they are.

 

Three is that he has come to care or respect the Inquisitor. He could have killed us at the Eluvian and that would have removed his currently biggest threat right now. However, he did not do it, out of respect and/or mercy. Our Inquisitors upon learning the truth about Solas, might not hesitate to kill him or depower him or Tranquilize him or foil his plans or prove him wrong. Whatever his flaws are, he has this weird and twisted sense of mercy and guilt which stops him from going full Corypheus but may be the thing that stops him.

 

Lastly, as stated before, Solas evidently needs some astronomical event to weaken the entire Veil. Recall that Corypheus merely wants to tear the Veil to enter the Black City and rule from there as Gods ? Corypheus' goal was to not destroy the Veil, his was to enter and rule from the Black City as well as be Tevinter's god and leader. Solas wishes to outright destroy the Veil which is present throughout Thedas, underground or above the ground or in the skies. To even accomplish such a thing would have required immense power and some form of astronomical event. From the Elven drawings, we can infer this. Which means to destroy it, one probably needs immense power and a long eclipse.

[thecookiesuspectsnothing]

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Now that I have managed to have a sleep....

My biggest thought is how they are going to proceed. We are obviously heading to Tevinter (Possibility of finding more elven orbs? You remember that conversation with Dorian about some Tevinter's carrying something similar?) and the Qunari are going to play a huge part, via a proper invasion. In the ending slides it said the Qunari resumed attacks on Tevinter, an unprepared Tevinter. I'm willing to bet alot of Qunari lore will be discovered in the next game.

We still have the nightmare demon lingering in the fade for all we know. It could be interesting to actually have to fight that thing in the future. If Solas is breaking the veil, surely that thing will be released too. Then again we don't actually know what it is he is exactly doing. It seem s alot more complicated, and of course Solas didn't give any details. 

I read that someone thought the murals looked like specific times (Celestial?) in regards to Solas and the veil, so perhaps that is why he can't just do it now. He does say that the south can have a few years of Qun free peace before everyone dies. That is also suggestive that there will be a time-gap between Trespasser and DA4. Breaking the veil is clearly more complex than just the anchor. It s also unclear whether the anchor is taken by Solas or just removed entirely, or even not that!

Having a new protagonist would be hard, they'd have to make sure my Inquisitor is more than just a liitle cameo like Hawke. To me, she's too important and too involved in this story. (Why should a new protagonist get to make the decision whether or not Solas is killed? It doesn't feel right to me) The inquisition still exists, some as a proper organisation, in mine more  the idea of people just wanting to fix ****. I thought this was the best option, more underground and less likely to be spied on by Solas' agents. The new protag would likely not be a qunari or even an elf this time around. I suppose you can pull of another Tal Vashoth, but the elves seem to be disappearing so it would make little sense for us to be an elf as a new character.

Then we have the issue of confronting Solas himself, it's been 2 years since the end of Inquisition and he is much more powerful. Imagine what more years could do to his power. Mortal vs God. Not good odds but an interesting angle. What will it take to bring him down. I wonder if we'll get the option to lock him away (I hope not) like he did the Pantheon. I am confident they will have a role to play, as when my Quizzy asked him about that, he said 'He has plans'. 

There is so much to grasp, and we could theorise all day. Now I just need a greenlit DA4 please. 

- On a side note, at least I don't have to wait too long for another Bioware game. Christmas and Mass Effect Andromeda. Then we also have the new IP, which I am hoping is like Dragon Age or Mass Effect. I imagine that DA4 if greenlit, would be announced after ME:A, maybe even after the new IP to not detract from its marketing. ~

 

[FernRain]

Trespasser spoilers below.

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Did it.. I want to see a video with all the different options.

I have a question: Solas seems to think he will die? From what?

Also Spirit Cole has a lot of interesting stuff to say when you meet back up with him at the Tavern.

[Nika]

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This. Solas is first and foremost, a Weekes character. He does not do pure black and white. He does gray characters. I believe Solas is not telling us much. Leliana also mentions that there have been strange happenings concerning Elves in Tirashan, whom she describes as being like Elves in the Arbor Wilds.

 

There are multiple players in Thedas right now:- Fen'Harel, Forgotten Ones, Evanuris, Blight, Titans, Qunari, Tevinter. I am sure Solas has more enemies that he lets on,

 

What's more, Solas is limited. Limited by his three main "weaknesses".

 

One is his uncompromising dislike for large organizations. Which means his forces will be small. If you notice, all his spies are basically Ancient Elves who were servants at Halamshiral for the Exalted Council or working for the Inquisition. They are not numerous but they do their job well. What I mean to say is that Solas will never win a fight on might alone. That was never the way of Fen'Harel.

 

Two is his view that everyone else in current Thedas are like Tranquils, with the exception of ancient Elves. Once again, this limits the amount of followers and by extension, the amount of influence and power he can have. I highly doubt people like Briala or Morrigan or Fiona will join him, no matter how pro-freedom they are.

 

Three is that he has come to care or respect the Inquisitor. He could have killed us at the Eluvian and that would have removed his currently biggest threat right now. However, he did not do it, out of respect and/or mercy. Our Inquisitors upon learning the truth about Solas, might not hesitate to kill him or depower him or Tranquilize him or foil his plans or prove him wrong. Whatever his flaws are, he has this weird and twisted sense of mercy and guilt which stops him from going full Corypheus but may be the thing that stops him.

 

Lastly, as stated before, Solas evidently needs some astronomical event to weaken the entire Veil. Recall that Corypheus merely wants to tear the Veil to enter the Black City and rule from there as Gods ? Corypheus' goal was to not destroy the Veil, his was to enter and rule from the Black City as well as be Tevinter's god and leader. Solas wishes to outright destroy the Veil which is present throughout Thedas, underground or above the ground or in the skies. To even accomplish such a thing would have required immense power and some form of astronomical event. From the Elven drawings, we can infer this. Which means to destroy it, one probably needs immense power and a long eclipse.

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I almost think next game is going to be Solas vs. Morrigan or something. While Morrigan is interested in the ancient times, she definitely wants to keep the current world. There's also that "power" or whatever it was that Mythal bestowed upon her. I'm pretty sure Mythal knew what Fen'harel would do after he woke and saw just what he did, so she might have tried to set thing up to stop him or something?

 

It's kind of confusing, you'd think Mythal might want things to be as they were too, but her actions kind of make me think she doesn't. She clearly has some kind of plan for Morrigan... and I'm not completely convinced that she's just gone like that.

I actually gotta take a look at the new codex entries now, yesterday I just played without reading.

[electrifried]

Okay so I played!

 

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And pretty much everything I expected about Solas was confirmed. Yet it STILL f***ed me up, darn it, Solas. Of all his lines, it was that "Thank you" response to when you said you never thought he'd be a person to do something like this that got me the most. You can just hear that guilt in his voice and even see it in his face! He knows this is messed up, but he's going to do it anyways. I wonder if we really will get the chance to change his heart. Or if we'll get a choice I thought would be interesting to get months ago: whether or not to keep the Veil!

 

Also those ending cards to the romance were SO fanfiction I just started laughing. If I had a quarter for every time I saw the "Solas watches sadly in wolf form when Lavellan is dreaming" thing in fandom, I'd have the cost for DA4 more than covered!

 

On that note: TE-VIN-TER! TE-VIN-TER! TE-VIN-TER!!!! In the end, I was more satisfied by this than I thought I would be so I'm happy as a clam! Except my Inquisitor accidentally ended up living with Sera and that wasn't really my intention but hey, crossbow arms are pretty rad.

 

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I wonder if we'll be able to change Solas' mind too in the next game, but I think it's pretty much a given now that we'll have to fight him? He's got a crazy plan so yeah he probably won't be successful. TBH I'm still confused about how he got all his power to begin with.

But I also laughed at the ending slides with him watching Lavellan from a distance. Bioware must know he has a pretty big fanbase now so no doubt they'll include more of that in the next game...maybe. Haaah.

[Janic99]

Sorry guys.. having problems with rendering the trespasser kind options video. Trying to upload as soon as I can.. unless I get more problems.. I had to get a new recorder since the old one stopped working with DAI after latest patch. 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Since most of Sandal's prophecies has all but come true, this is perhaps something that might happen in DA4 or DA5

 

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Solas will actually succeed in destroying the Veil or severely weakening it for a few moments, and the protagonist in DA4 or DA5 will be able to observe what are the consequences of Solas doing this and as such, we will have a few choices play out....

 

1) Aid him in permanently removing the Veil, Korra style. Except with a lot of destruction and death.

 

2) Convince Solas to stop what he is doing. He either stops or pull a persuaded Saren and kills himself.

 

3) Undo it back or fight Solas and defeat him/kill him and try to undo the Veil weakening or Veil destruction yourself. This will be the boss battle for DA4 / DA5.

 

4) One of the Evanuris wakes up, free from their torment, is pissed as f**k at Solas and kills him. The awakened Evanuris becomes the final boss battle for DA4 / DA5.

 

I personally think Bioware will not let us foil Solas' plans completely. Partially ? Sure. But completely ? No. They have made all of Sandal's prophecies come true in some way before and they will do it again.

 

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I almost think next game is going to be Solas vs. Morrigan or something. While Morrigan is interested in the ancient times, she definitely wants to keep the current world. There's also that "power" or whatever it was that Mythal bestowed upon her. I'm pretty sure Mythal knew what Fen'harel would do after he woke and saw just what he did, so she might have tried to set thing up to stop him or something?

 

It's kind of confusing, you'd think Mythal might want things to be as they were too, but her actions kind of make me think she doesn't. She clearly has some kind of plan for Morrigan... and I'm not completely convinced that she's just gone like that.

I actually gotta take a look at the new codex entries now, yesterday I just played without reading.

 

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I do not think Mythal wants the old ways back.  I believe Mythal has come to resent the world of the ancient elves deeply, due to how it betrayed her. Why do I say this ?

 

1) The way she seems to be close to Dalish Elves whom Solas and Abelas view as fake pretenders...

 

2) The way she seems to care about heroes who might not be Elves...

 

3) The fact that she uses female humans as hosts instead of ancient female Elves...

 

4) The fact that she does not wish to impart knowledge onto those who ask of it because, in her own words, "You know not what you ask, child."

 

5) The fact that she indirectly cautioned Merrill against digging up ancient Elvhen secrets.

 

Mythal wants a reckoning, not a restoration. She wants payback, not elven glory. Mythal's goals are probably to kill the Evanuris who betrayed her and killed her.

[Eurowande]

oh come on im dying here someone pls tell me how to make spoiler tags so i can finally share what i feel

[Nika]

Sandal's prophecies are definitely interesting. There was also that secret code in the Emporium, something about spears an eclipse and Fen'Harel if I remember correctly? And that statue you meet in the library during Witch Hunt apparently says something important too from what I remember.

 

@Eurowande just use [.spoiler] text [/spoiler] remove the dot in the first one

[cleosilver]

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Um, no - he was only able to contain it for a moment. He does say that they're running out of time, and right after that, the Anchor seems to be going all wrong again.

 

Also, removing the hand may just be a temporary solution. I'd say his dialogue prior to removal is kind of ambiguous. I mean, we don't really know HOW Anchor was attached to Inquisitor - was the connection just physical? Or is Anchor part of Inky's soul?

 

It's possible that Solas just 'incapacitated' Inquisitor, in a sense that removing the hand would make Inquisitor THINK that nothing's left, and thus the Anchor's dormant, rather than removed... Really, at this point it's rather hard to tell and I probably shouldn't speculate about this any further, considering we won't be getting any answers anytime soon...

 

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I figure he'd stabilised it at the beginning. Then the Inquisitor channels the remaining power in the orb through it when finishing off Coryfish. Since Solas leaves at that point he may not realise how unstable it's become and then it's too late to as it's already gone into meltdown

 

[Mresa]

Just finished Tresspasser.

 

Yeah I was not expecting that. 

[midnight tea]

oh come on im dying here someone pls tell me how to make spoiler tags so i can finally share what i feel

 

Use [_spoiler_] and [_/_spoiler_], just remove underscores

[Illyria]

I just asked PW on twitch, who killed Felassan and he said spoilers

 

So answer might still be coming

 

not to spoilery but just in case, here is the twitch chat

 

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Solas not being the one who killed Best Elf would redeem him somewhat for me.

 

But the you asked him during the gameplay.  His 'spoilers' was likely in response to the revelation later

 

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

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no i think the stinger was that you go to tevinter and the hint that the inquisitor is the next protag. and yes. i can agree - no new protags!

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I want this so much, for the Inquisitor to be the next protagonist. But BioWare has always stuck to the theme of "The games are about the Dragon Age and not about a singular protagonist." So I'm kind of worried that even though the stinger hints at the Inquisitor going to Tevinter and that we're on the search for Solas (whether it be to redeem him or to put him down) that the next game will introduce a new protagonist and we won't get to wrap up Solas's story with our quizzes, which would annoy me to no end.

I was never expecting a happy ending in Inquisition when it came to the Solas romance but I was expecting things between Solas and Quizzy to be resolved and they really aren't. I'm gonna be peeved if I/we/those that want it, don't get that in the coming game(s).

[FernRain]

Trespasser screenshot spoilers.

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Pictures of the murals for those that might want to stare and ponder .

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I found this special halla outside the place with the first mural:

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Lastly, some of the Elven language for those of you that like translating:

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[Janic99]

I really feel like Solavellan story is super similar to Damon and Elena from vampire diaries and I don't mean now like story story.. I mean like..how they talk to each others.. like.. Damon is all the time like '' I don't deserve you.. I am bad for you.. I made bad choices that hurt you.. you should not be with me... and it's because I love you that I cannot be selfish with you... I have to do the right thing... '' and Elena is just: '' I'm not sorry that knowing you has made me question EVERYTHING. Because you think you don't deserve something... .you ruin it.... that's what you do! I'm not sorry... that I met you... I am NOT sorry that I'm in love with you! And I am still here... THATS HOW MUCH you have CONTROL over me! ''

I feel like this could be something my Ellana would say:

Ellana: '' You hold me in a position... where I have to defend you... AGAIN where I have to bend my morals... AGAIN I have to go against EVERY SINGLE THING..that I believe in AGAIN Because I love you! ''
Solas: '' Then stop loving me! '' 
Ellana: '' I can't! '' 

 

[Delphine]

I see that the "I hope we can knifemurder him" type of posts, and the "Solas must die" type of threads are sprouting everywhere on the forum, this thread included.

Maybe it's time to leave BSN forever.

[Eurowande]

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ok im heart broken all over again, even more im such a mess i cant stop watching videos of the final scene and i keep crying.

And for real? leaving us like that? come on bioware that was sadistic i do prefer for my lavellan to die than what actually happen , we get no closure at all, we are just back where we began 2 years ago, still searching for Solas. And if there is next game ill wait and spoil myself before playing it cuz if i had to fight Solas ill just not do it. i dont give a **** that it will most likely be with new char, i love Solas... me personally not only my char , and i can not force myself to fight or kill him. so ill just stay here and wait for the fanfics to start raining , and when im finally able to think about Solas without crying i may even write my own happy ending, cuz i deserve it, we all do. 

 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

This picture really intrigues me.

 

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Because of the phrase that is being used

 

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"Maraas Nehraa" is a phrase that sounds both Elvish and Qunlat. Truly. Have you ever heard the word "Maraas" being used before by other Elves or seen it in any other Elven writings ? Nope. Have you ever heard it being used by Qunari before ? Yes. "Maraas Shokra" is something you hear quite often in DA2.

 

What's more, Solas seems to be able to speak in Qunlat fluently. Recall that he awoke 1 year before the destruction of the Breach. While he may be a super genius and have learned Qunlat within a year, it is also possible he knows Qunlat because he has met Kossith during his time in ancient Elvhen civilization.

 

Does this mean there is a relation between Elves and Qunari ?

 

In fact, I you listen to Qunlat, you will notice that it sounds like a harsher, more forceful Elvish. There seems to be Lexical similarity between Elvish and Qunlat. Perhaps Qunlat is a variant of Elvish ? A dialect or a sociolect of the Kossith that is derived from Elvish ?

[Illyria]

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My Lavellan is an artificer.  My Lavellan is bros with Sera, Varric, Dagna, and Three-Eyes.

 

BRING ON THE CROSSBOW ARM.  I started trying to write feelsy fanfiction, and started writing awesome artificer bro-time fanfiction instead.  So thanks, Solas, I guess.  For the opportunity to insert some Deus Ex shenanigans into my Dragon Age!

 

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I don't want a crossbow arm.  I want an arm that can shoot fireballs.  That must be possible, right?  Make it like a mage's staff so it channels her power.

[Ardent Blossom]

Since most of Sandal's prophecies has all but come true, this is perhaps something that might happen in DA4 or DA5

 

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Mythal wants a reckoning, not a restoration. She wants payback, not elven glory. Mythal's goals are probably to kill the Evanuris who betrayed her and killed her.

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Hmmm...that gave me a lot to think about. Mythal was the furthest thing from my mind while I was playing Trespasser 'cause I'm special that way. Your prediction makes perfect sense and I thank you for sharing it.  

 

Solas did what he did because of Mythal, so he obviously would not want to fight her, yet they will certainly be at odds in DA4. Just imagine what that means if you drank from the Well...Of course, maybe Mythal will help to change his mind in addition to using him to get revenge on her betrayers. Optimism! Thanks for the mental floss Habits Honeypot.

[LliiraAnna]

I see that that "I hope we can knifemurder him" type of posts, and the "Solas must die" type of threads are sprouting everywhere on the forum, this thread included.

Maybe it's time to leave BSN forever.

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As much as I am conflicted about the ending, I'd never wish for Solas to die, and I'm NOT looking forward to (possibly) confronting him in the next game. Hope writers don't take it as a sign that everyone hates him and decide to kill him off >_>

[Illyria]

I see that that "I hope we can knifemurder him" type of posts, and the "Solas must die" type of threads are sprouting everywhere on the forum, this thread included.

Maybe it's time to leave BSN forever.

 

Please don't.  You're a lovely person and leaving would just let the trolls win.
 

[S.W.]

trespasser dlc spoilers:

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SO, it's now morning, so I replayed the scene for greater clarity.

A few interesting things:
- Firstly, paid special attention to the bits about everyone dying. Solas specifically says it 'may' happen, at first (the fact that he's willing to do it is scary though). I asked for clarification this time around about whether it was truly necessary, and he said that I was way too thoughtful (pffft) and he wouldn't give secrets knowing I could use them - but he made it clearer, that if 'my people' are to rise, then 'your people' are to fall.

So, the game's a bit more ambiguous on this than I first thought. Which is heartening. I feel slightly less shocked and angry about my favourite fade nerd now. Still love 'im, deep down.

- Secondly, if you pick the 'I will stop you no matter what' option, the kiss scene doesn't play (which is understandable). He just is understanding, takes your hand, and ensures you can live (for a bit longer, at any rate).

- Thirdly, whether the Inquisition is disbanded or not doesn't make much difference cutscene wise. Originally, I chose to disband, but I think my Inquisitor, prior to discovering Solas again, was ready to retire anyway - I think meeting him again would change her mind. World-ending fade-y threats is what the Inquisition does, after all.

ALSO might I just add that the music in this DLC is utterly spectacular. The theme that plays during the Solas scene just rips out my heart.

[Solas]

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I want this so much, for the Inquisitor to be the next protagonist. But BioWare has always stuck to the theme of "The games are about the Dragon Age and not about a singular protagonist." So I'm kind of worried that even though the stinger hints at the Inquisitor going to Tevinter and that we're on the search for Solas (whether it be to redeem him or to put him down) that the next game will introduce a new protagonist and we won't get to wrap up Solas's story with our quizzes, which would annoy me to no end.

I was never expecting a happy ending in Inquisition when it came to the Solas romance but I was expecting things between Solas and Quizzy to be resolved and they really aren't. I'm gonna be peeved if I/we/those that want it, don't get that in the coming game(s).

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How would you suggest they handled resolution? From my perspective both the omg 'must save the Dread Wolf from himself' and 'yarrr wolf wolfhound final showdown reckoning' people both got their due. What's missing?