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[Uirebhiril]

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Solas thinks of the people of now!Thedas being like the people in the dark future.  Like Dorian and Inky he wants to put the world back to way it was.  So he tries to see it as 'not real'. Leliana even calls Dorian out on seeing it like an academic problem because it's real to her, she had live it. 

 

Or rather, that's how he's trying to see it, but he also can't help but want to help the world.  That was why the romance with Lavellan threw him - if she's 'real' then everyone else could also have the potential to be 'real', not an academic problem that can be fixed.

 

We don't judge Inky's actions for resetting the dark future.  That's what Solas thinks he's trying to do.

 

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Huh. This is probably the best way to consider the parallels between the two situations, especially considering what Leliana says to Dorian. Which does make you wonder... Solas says in the dark future that the world is an abomination and should never be allowed to come to pass. So... does he learn in that dark future that his plan was bad, or does present-day Solas have better/different plans to remove the Veil that won't make things into a dark apocalypse? Potentially burning in chaos maybe, but not darkbad in quite that way. Interesting thought.

[Delphine]

After finishing Trespasser:

 

[Augeia]

I'm going to post some major Solas/elven gods questions that seems answered here to see if anyone else has other things or disagrees!

 

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1) Cole says "his friend had to die because he thought they were people. A slow arrow breaks in the sad wolf's jaws" So he was the one who killed Felassan (he also admits this at the end) and the reason he did it is kinda unnerving, though with a friendly/romanced inky he goes back on the whole "not people" thing. 

2) If you ask him "So you're like Mythal?" he essentially tells you that he was always like that, so lone wolf prevails and ex-nay to the body snatching.

3) He slept for millennia until a year before you met, so not Shartan then?

3) He created the veil himself and on purpose, but didn't know the extent of what it would do and he did it because the gods killed Mythal. That I didn't find too surprising. 

4) The gods are mages and rose to power after a war with the forgotten ones.

5) ... someone help me out here

 

 

[Elessara]

After finishing Trespasser:

 

 

 

 

If they don't actually do a next game then I darn well want them to release the plotline and various possible outcomes.  CAUSE I WANNA KNOW.  But I'm certain they'll do a next game.  And I rarely say I'm *certain* about anything.

[Mims]

After finishing Trespasser:

 

 

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[Mims]

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Wow, people who romanced Bull and kept him loyal to the Qun really got the short end of the stick.

 

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Someone in the Iron Bull thread said it best, I think: the Inquisitor taught him how to sacrifice his loved ones for the good of the Qun. It isn't surprising that he applies that to everyone. 

[MaidenM]

 

Just some thoughts on Solas that I felt like writing down. Sorry if I'm a bit off-topic, there are so many things on my mind after the DLC

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So I've seen people saying that "Solas wants to be stopped", and it got me thinking. IRL, many depressed people distance themselves from the world, but at the same time, they *want* someone to find and comfort them. Maybe it's kind of the same for Solas - he wants someone to prove him wrong, to come and show him that he doesn't need to go through with his plans.

 

It's a way to get attention.

 

Because he feels like he doesn't belong in this age. It's alien to him, and it didn't exactly treat him with much kindness (aside of possibly the Inquisition?). So, yeah, he wants to make amends, but underneath it can be sort of a selfish wish to return to the times where he felt like he *belonged*. Where there were *his* people, and not the Dalish who distrust him and look down on him and are generally pale shadows of what they used to be.

 

Tbh, if he'll be an antagonist in DA4, I hope we'll be able to talk him down with our Inquisitors. Because if a new MC will suceed where even a Lav who romanced him failed (so far), it'll be... weird x)

 

Tl:dr: Solas is really tragically messed up and I hope we'll get a possibility to make it at least a little bit better Yeah, I know, I'm an idealist and I'm likely in for a lot of disappointment, but HOPE DIES LAST. Or, rather, HOPE NEVER DIES.

 

 

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I actually really like this. Like, I want to hug you for saying it.

 

I spent quite a bit of my life battling depression and you're really spot on. You hide yourself, your pain and your fears but there's this little voice at the back of your head saying "someone please help me". Until it goes to far. The deepest stage of depression is apathy. At that point you don't care if you live or die, if someone helps you or not. And it makes me happy to think that Solas has not sunken that far just yet.

 

And I guess that's why I can't bring myself to hate him. Depression takes up all the space reason would otherwise occupy. And when people really try to help it can become overwhelming, it becomes too "real" and you sort of retaliate by denying it...

 

Sorry, BRB, hugging Solas...

[Augeia]

Oh there's also this, which could potentially be HUGE:

 

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Cole says "he did not want a body, but she asked him to come. He left a scar when he burned her off his face"

I *think* this is about Mythal and Solas. She called him into physical being from the fade (kinda makes sense with the mother goddess thing) and he had her vallaslin originally. He later "burned" it off his face, leaving him with his lovely forehead scar. The scar part also gives me some feels. It sounds like he left it on purpose. 

 

It's huge because it essentially tells us how physical beings came to be. They were fade spirits (or something?) who willed themselves into the world, sometimes at the behest of others.

 

Could be way off base here! Thoughts?

 

[Mims]

Oh there's also this, which could potentially be HUGE:

 

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Cole says "he did not want a body, but she asked him to come. He left a scar when he burned her off his face"

I *think* this is about Mythal and Solas. She called him into physical being from the fade (kinda makes sense with the mother goddess thing) and he had her vallaslin originally. He later "burned" it off his face, leaving him with his lovely forehead scar. The scar part also gives me some feels. It sounds like he left it on purpose. 

 

It's huge because it essentially tells us how physical beings came to be. They were fade spirits (or something?) who willed themselves into the world, sometimes at the behest of others.

 

Could be way off base here! Thoughts?

 

 

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That is a very interesting thought! I don't know if Solas was originally a spirit, but I do think he might have been one of Mythal's servants at one point. The deeproads caverns mentions his statue being placed by hers, almost like a watch dog. 

[Avejajed]

I'm back. On the world ending:

 

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I don't think that Solas means that the entire population of life is just going to go boom when he tries to take down the veil. I expect what he means is it'll throw the world into absolute chaos and most people will die. Kind of like a zombie apocalypse, right? Most of the population won't survive the demons- some will, some with power, pockets of survivors here or there. He thinks maybe it'd be better to let it all burn itself up, but I didn't get the impression it was straight up mass explosion that kills everyone on contact. At least, I hope not. 

[BoscoBread]

@Augeia

 

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1. Either he or someone else on his orders killed Fellasan.  And yes it is unnerving.  Again - that was the intent

2. YAY lone wolf!!

3. No. Not Shartan.  But he did meet with Koslun in the desert before he slept.  He essentially provided Koslun the ideology that started the Qun

4. The veil thing. NOPE.

5.  Yup - everybody was just mage.

[MoonDrummer]

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Someone in the Iron Bull thread said it best, I think: the Inquisitor taught him how to sacrifice his loved ones for the good of the Qun. It isn't surprising that he applies that to everyone. 

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It's not that he does it, it's how it is handled. No cutscene or last words, then Cole says that he didn't even feel any pain.

[Ulv Elskeren]

Oh there's also this, which could potentially be HUGE:

 

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Cole says "he did not want a body, but she asked him to come. He left a scar when he burned her off his face"

I *think* this is about Mythal and Solas. She called him into physical being from the fade (kinda makes sense with the mother goddess thing) and he had her vallaslin originally. He later "burned" it off his face, leaving him with his lovely forehead scar. The scar part also gives me some feels. It sounds like he left it on purpose. 

 

It's huge because it essentially tells us how physical beings came to be. They were fade spirits (or something?) who willed themselves into the world, sometimes at the behest of others.

 

Could be way off base here! Thoughts?

 

 

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My take was that it actually might be a reference to June: the scar the tranquility brand necessary to cut himself off from the lyrium/fade continuum of the "Mother", who asked him to make the sacrifice to help defend her.  Your mileage may vary.

[BoscoBread]

@Avejajed

 

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No he says - everybody is going to die.  He says "you" the inquisitor is going to die.  Even if there is nuance - I think the "most people are going to die" doesn't really make it better.  It's the equivalent of everyone dying out to biological warfare or an atomic bomb.  Both are awful. Both suck.

[Janic99]

I am soo pissed off... I am trying to upload vids on youtube and make more solavellan vids I had this one song... and it stops at 74% D: Idk what is wrong... if it's about my video editor program or video recorder... or game? Also dxtory won't record anymore.. it reports an error.. though I have no probs with the game... I don't get it..

[Uirebhiril]

Okay. I didn't sleep much last night, and coffee has only minimally started to kick in, but...

 

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In thinking about it, I think I somewhat agree with the poser who suggested that they screwed up Solas' character (was it drosophila?) After DAI and the stinger we were able to spend months speculating, guessing, wondering at what Solas intends and where he might go. Then we get to the end of Trespasser and they just sort of have him stand there and tell his plans, for as good or bad as they will be, and there's no real ambiguity. Even if we can take apart everything he has done and said and find things to discuss and find some questions in there, it's just... pretty much the infodump I was worried about, and not even in such a way that can keep us guessing for 3+ years. It's just outright, automatic, "yup, he'll be the big bad in DA4" and that's that. It does kind of make me sad.

 

And.... you know... I would actually love to see the Inquisitor come back in DA4 and we get to find upgrades and add runes and things to whatever prosthetic we can strap to our arms. Having a disabled protagonist would be something, for certain.

[LliiraAnna]

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I actually really like this. Like, I want to hug you for saying it.

 

I spent quite a bit of my life battling depression and you're really spot on. You hide yourself, your pain and your fears but there's this little voice at the back of your head saying "someone please help me". Until it goes to far. The deepest stage of depression is apathy. At that point you don't care if you live or die, if someone helps you or not. And it makes me happy to think that Solas has not sunken that far just yet.

 

And I guess that's why I can't bring myself to hate him. Depression takes up all the space reason would otherwise occupy. And when people really try to help it can become overwhelming, it becomes too "real" and you sort of retaliate by denying it...

 

Sorry, BRB, hugging Solas...

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/hugs/ 

 

I went through depression too, and that's why I'm able to tell. It's not something I'd wish on anyone, but it made understanding people easier, sort of. I don't want anyone else to drop down there, so I spend a lot of time cheering people on... and that's also part of the reason I'm so obsessed with Solas. Once I see a sad/depressed/troubled character, my "Must help him NOW!" instinct activates almost immediately

[Mims]

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My take was that it actually might be a reference to June: the scar the tranquility brand necessary to cut himself off from the lyrium/fade continuum of the "Mother", who asked him to make the sacrifice to help defend her.  Your mileage may vary.

 

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I missed this bit about June! Is there a codex post anywhere? 

[Janic99]

Oh there's also this, which could potentially be HUGE:

 

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Cole says "he did not want a body, but she asked him to come. He left a scar when he burned her off his face"

I *think* this is about Mythal and Solas. She called him into physical being from the fade (kinda makes sense with the mother goddess thing) and he had her vallaslin originally. He later "burned" it off his face, leaving him with his lovely forehead scar. The scar part also gives me some feels. It sounds like he left it on purpose. 

 

It's huge because it essentially tells us how physical beings came to be. They were fade spirits (or something?) who willed themselves into the world, sometimes at the behest of others.

 

Could be way off base here! Thoughts?

 

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makes a lot of sense to me... I think you are correct...  you know... when I played trespasser I was laughing because my theory of the orb and cory was 98% true hahaha I was like: OMG FINALLY I KNEW SOMETHING   

I am usually not too genious but I thought that it made sense what I was thinking... it accurred to be correct almost all of it if you do not consider a small part.. which is that I thought he would not need to orb anymore after getting his powers from it.. but yea.. I got it how it works after he said it haha.

[Elessara]

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TESPASSER IS THE MOST MISERABLE GAMING EXPERIENCE OF MY LIFE!

 

I have NEVER had this much trouble killing enemies in ANY GAME, let alone Dragon Age Inquisition. DRAGONS were easier to kill than this Qunari horde. They just keep sending wave after wave after wave of overpowered Qunari, and I just keep dying and reviving, dying and reloading, dying and reviving, dying and reloading and changing tactics, dying and reviving...

 

8 health potions, 5 lyium potions, and 3 minor healing "over time" healing potions are not NEARLY enough for each individual wave of Qunari, and this game doesn't provide NEARLY as many supply caches per Qunari wave as it should.

 

I finally reached the Dread Wolf's Temple, and after several restarts I just barely survived the initial fight with the giant Saarabas, then we limped our way to the next antechamber, and then the stupid what's-her-face set another horde of Qunari on us. The only supply cache after the initial Saarabas fight is only enough to treat our already-near-death wounds, so there's little to no healing potion left for the near-(not-so-near)-fatal wound inflicted by the next wave of Qunari.

 

I'm so close to Solas I can taste it (the only reason I'm playing this stupid DLC), but I don't think I'll EVER reach Solas.The horrible Qunari keep killing me before I can reach him!

 

I am sobbing and literally tearing my hair out, but I can't win. How does ANYONE beat this game???!!!

 

(And before anyone says "Set the game to Casual," it IS on Casual, and this is NOT Casual.)

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It IS hard.  I played it on casual as well and some of those fights I'm not sure how I made it through.  I think most of my people had guard on hit weapons/armor and that helped a little.  I remember using the Aegis ability you get from JoH a lot.  I was playing the only mage in the group and stupid me didn't slot barrier since I usually had Solas (sigh) and he did the barrier but that would have made it better I think.  Also, I had mostly custom gear made gear or high level purple gear on everyone.  And it was HARD.

 

[Ulv Elskeren]

I'm sure this has come up, in the 30+ pages of backlog I still have to get through, but so excited to finally see:

 

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Fen'Harel's "official" vallaslin!   ...even if it doesn't entirely make sense that it exists.  

 

[Elessara]

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makes a lot of sense to me... I think you are correct...  you know... when I played trespasser I was laughing because my theory of the orb and cory was 98% true hahaha I was like: OMG FINALLY I KNEW SOMETHING   

I am usually not too genious but I thought that it made sense what I was thinking... it accurred to be correct almost all of it if you do not consider a small part.. which is that I thought he would not need to orb anymore after getting his powers from it.. but yea.. I got it how it works after he said it haha.

 

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I was actually happy that my theory that his name was Solas before becoming Fen'Harel was correct.  I was like, woohoo finally I figured something out and it was right yay me!

 

I also had that thought regarding Solas and his scar and Mythal.  I wonder if we'll ever find out.

 

[MaidenM]

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/hugs/ 

 

I went through depression too, and that's why I'm able to tell. It's not something I'd wish on anyone, but it made understanding people easier, sort of. I don't want anyone else to drop down there, so I spend a lot of time cheering people on... and that's also part of the reason I'm so obsessed with Solas. Once I see a sad/depressed/troubled character, my "Must help him NOW!" instinct activates almot immediately

 

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/solidarity hug!/

 

I am the same there, I hate seeing people become their own worst enemy. For me it made me love both Solas and Blackwall immensely simply because I felt like they where more relateable to me. Not that I have accidentally killed anyone or led a rebellion that destroyed everything I knew and loved, but still!

 

And I'm currently channeling all that into my Lavellan. All my "well I'll fix things for you then" feelings. If nothing else it will at least be a good story for Lavellan!

[Elessara]

I'm sure this has come up, in the 30+ pages of backlog I still have to get through, but so excited to finally see:

 

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Fen'Harel's "official" vallaslin!   ...even if it doesn't entirely make sense that it exists.  

 

 

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Are we sure that's Fen'Harel's vallaslin?  Tbh I just thought it was showing a random dalish.  =x