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[Caddius]

No problem, I did that. I actually tried to do so, but must have misplaced the spoiler tag in my frantic search for more hints. There is a TON more to find. Solas' talk is just dripping with information.

 

No problem, I did that. I actually tried to do so, but must have misplaced the spoiler tag in my frantic search for more hints. There is a TON more to find. Solas' talk is just dripping with information.

No problem.

They really went overboard into putting multiple layers into everything, didn't they?   

[Moondreamer01]

Well, this is good news at least :

 

1. C. Nault ‏@NaultFindley  8h8 hours ago

   @PatrickWeekes Are there plans of making Trespasser music available at some point? It's beautiful

    

    
2.  
   Patrick Weekes ‏@PatrickWeekes  3h3 hours ago

   @NaultFindley No idea, but I hope so. @BioMarkDarrah may know.

    

    
3.  
   Renmiri ‏@renmiri1  3h3 hours agoChicago, IL

   @PatrickWeekes @NaultFindley @BioMarkDarrah gur arj fpbhg uneqvat oneq fbat

    

    
4.  

   Mark Darrah ‏@BioMarkDarrah  2h2 hours ago

   @renmiri1 @PatrickWeekes @NaultFindley we are looking to make the music available

 

 

(Just realized they had answered my tweets hours ago *rolls eyes*)

[RynJ]

I am currently analysing all of the companion's talks featuring Solas and...damn, the one if the Inquisitor romances Blackwall hits hard!

Thoughts under the spoiler cut, btw. Because, well, Trespasser spoilers.

Spoiler

• Solas: So, you and the Inquisitor are together.
• Blackwall: Yes. Is that a problem?
• Solas: Far from it. People should seize any chance for a moment's respite in times such as these. I am glad you've allowed yourself some happiness.
• Blackwall: I expected you to think that I should keep punishing myself.
• Solas: I would be concerned if you forgot your past, but that seems unlikely. Beyond that, guilt is a distraction. One we can ill afford.
• Blackwall: What of you, then? Have you found someone to share a moment's respite?
• Solas: I find my peace elsewhere.

It has become very clear to me that Solas, though being filled with guilt, clearly tries to shove it away from himself in order to go through with his plan. Then there is the famous 'the healer has the bloodiest hands' and also, how he says to Blackwall that he will remember the people of Thedas. Ugh, Solas!

 

Edit:

 

Spoiler

• Cassandra: It is interesting to hear a mage's perspective of our abilities, Solas.
• Solas: I am pleased you find it so.
• Cassandra: I am taught my abilities come from the Maker. You probably think it silly.
• Solas: Your abilities declare the world real. Who, if not the Maker of this world, could grant such a gift?
• Cassandra: You believe in the Maker?
• Solas: I am always open to new ideas.

OMG, hints everywhere.

 

Spoiler

 

I enjoy the idea that Solas basically wants Thedas to woo him so he can change his mind. Everybody quick, hop on the Solas romance train! Bring the boombox of love songs and the frilly cakes and get ready to ask a million questions to get his approval! We all better get down with the Dread Wolf if we don't want to blow up in a fiery Fade disaster! 

 

[midnight tea]

Spoiler

 

I enjoy the idea that Solas basically wants Thedas to woo him so he can change his mind. Everybody quick, hop on the Solas romance train! Bring the boombox of love songs and the frilly cakes and get ready to ask a million questions to get his approval! We all better get down with the Dread Wolf if we don't want to blow up in a fiery Fade disaster! 

 

 

Spoiler

Can you imagine an actual DA4 multiplayer challenge - woo Solas X times, so he'd change his mind? You have time till this Monday!

[Miss This or That]

Spoiler

Btw, I think Solas almost thinks Cassandra is real, too.

 

• Cassandra: Solas, did you ever considered reforming the Circle from within? You have both knowledge and wisdom. You could have made the difference.
• Solas: I admire your optimism, but ask yourself honestly how the templars would have reacted.
• Cassandra: You fear that they would have made you tranquil.
• Solas: There is no doubt in my mind. My studies threaten established ideas. I would never have been tolerated.
• Cassandra: I suppose you are right. Repairing the damage done will take great effort.
• Solas: Would there be more like you, Seeker.

 

• Solas: So, Seeker, your Inquisition grows.
• Cassandra: It was never my Inquisition, Solas.
• Solas: You did the brutal, thankless work putting the wheels in motion.
• Solas: Do you feel no regret at letting that power pass to another?

If the Inquisitor and Cassandra do not get along:

• Cassandra: I do not always agree with the Inquisitor, but I know well that I'm not also always right. So, whatever regrets I have I will endure. The world needs a leader.

If the Inquisitor and Cassandra do get along:

• Cassandra: I did my part. But the power you describe was never mine to carry.
• Cassandra: I know myself and I cannot be the leader we need. Thus, I have no regrets.
• Solas: You surprise me again, Seeker.
• Cassandra: Your opinion of me must be very low to surprise you so often.
• Solas: Not low, but realistic. Very few, however honorable, release power they have won.

 

• Cassandra: What is it like when templars nullify magic, Solas?
• Solas: It is as though you are drawing upon the world around us. Mages draw forth the essence of the fade, and use that essence to shape reality.
• Cassandra: And our powers drive it back, making this world harder to affect?
• Solas: In a manner of speaking. You reinforce reality so it's less mutable. The fade has nowhere to gain a foothold, and the magic disperses.
• Cassandra: No one has ever accused me of reinforcing reality before.
• Solas: You are a seeker of truth.

 

Scratch that, to an extent, Cassandra is DEFINITELY real to Solas. He might even see her as a threath, in a way.

[Miss This or That]

Spoiler

 

I enjoy the idea that Solas basically wants Thedas to woo him so he can change his mind. Everybody quick, hop on the Solas romance train! Bring the boombox of love songs and the frilly cakes and get ready to ask a million questions to get his approval! We all better get down with the Dread Wolf if we don't want to blow up in a fiery Fade disaster! 

 

Spoiler

He's like a grumpy child whose ancient elven lollipop has been taken away, pffft.

[midnight tea]

Anyhooo....

 

Spoiler

Solas appears to be pretty adamant that he banished Enavuris forever, or at least he doesn't seem to actively want to release them - who is sleeping, 'masked in a mirror' then?

[Sable Rhapsody]

I was thinking of going back to my Lavellan's no-kidding canon playthrough (I wasn't very far yet) after Trespasser...

 

Spoiler

...but I just can't.  Seeing her at the beginning of the game, all bright-eyed and naive, and knowing how difficult things will become for her...I can't do it right now.  It's one thing to theorize that Solas wanted to restore ancient Elvhenan.  It's another thing to boot up the game, do one of the Haven flirts with him, and realize he still wants the orb and was planning on it all along, even while talking to quizzy about SAVING the world from Corypheus.  Maybe I'll go back to Adaar and Dorian; I can handle long-distance relationship just fine.  I'm pretty sure Dorian's not trying to tear the Veil or destroy the world ><

[MaidenM]

-snip-

 

Echoing both of you here, relating to humans is difficult for some of us. I don't have the same experience as you guys, but I have Aspergers syndrome. In an educational book about Asperger (called All Cats Have Asperger, highly recommend) there is a picture that made me cry because I thought I was alone until then. It was a picture of a cat looking out of a window to the night sky with the text "[a child with Asperger] might sometimes feel out of place, like they are from another world" and it just hit me. When I interact with humans I feel like an alien. I guess that's part of the reason I can't outright damn Solas for his thinking.

 

I have a rather strong difficulty playing as a human in any game. I think that's why I never really liked Hawke or my Trevallean.

[stop_him]

So... did this DLC ever clear up who Solas's people are? He is inconsistent in who he calls his people.

Spoiler

The Dalish are not his people, but he refers to the inquisitor and Sera as his people during banter. The elves are his people, but not the city elves. He wants to destroy this world to save the elves. In the epilogue, elves from across Thedas start disappearing... to go to Fen'Harel. If he tears down the Veil will elven immortality be destroyed or will all the elves (as we know them die)? Very confusing.

[Miss This or That]

More of the Cassandra stuff unter the spoiler.

 

Spoiler

• Solas: How are you feeling, Cassandra, after the revelations about your Seekers?
• Cassandra: How do you expect I might feel? Most of my life was dedicated to the Order. I did so much I believed was good in their name.
• Solas: Now that you know them corrupt, you must determine which parts of yourself to discard and which to keep.
• Cassandra: I assume you have advice?
• Solas: I would hardly presume. In our travels, I have been impressed by your honesty and your faith. It is a difficult path, Seeker, but if anyone can walk it honorably, you can.

...so yeah. I DO think that Cassandra seems real enough to Solas, maybe not as much as the Inquisitor does, but I did always find his comments towards her in particular very fascinating. I guess now I know why.

[Renmiri1]

Well, this is good news at least :

 

1. C. Nault ‏@NaultFindley  8h8 hours ago

   @PatrickWeekes Are there plans of making Trespasser music available at some point? It's beautiful

    

    
2.  
   Patrick Weekes ‏@PatrickWeekes  3h3 hours ago

   @NaultFindley No idea, but I hope so. @BioMarkDarrah may know.

    

    
3.  
   Renmiri ‏@renmiri1  3h3 hours agoChicago, IL

   @PatrickWeekes @NaultFindley @BioMarkDarrah gur arj fpbhg uneqvat oneq fbat

    

    
4.  

   Mark Darrah ‏@BioMarkDarrah  2h2 hours ago

   @renmiri1 @PatrickWeekes @NaultFindley we are looking to make the music available

 

 

(Just realized they had answered my tweets hours ago *rolls eyes*)

you summoned me ?

[Moondreamer01]

you summoned me ?

 

Oh... ohhh! My summon worked! All praise the Maker... wait, the creators!  Wait... I probably shouldn't be praising the creators at this point.

[ellima93]

Spoiler

The delivery of 'var lath vir suledin' makes me tear up a little. I think it's the Arwen/Aragorn vibes I get from the way they transition to elvish when they are talking about their emotions. *sobs*

[Sable Rhapsody]

Spoiler

The delivery of 'var lath vir suledin' makes me tear up a little. I think it's the Arwen/Aragorn vibes I get from the way they transition to elvish when they are talking about their emotions. *sobs*

 

Spoiler

Well, Arwen and Aragorn wound up together.  For a while, at least.

 

I think at this point I've pretty much dispensed with any illusion that the Solavellan story will end happily in the same way that, say, Sera or Cullen gets to end happily.  It's just not in Solas's nature, and that's fine with me.  I'll take beautiful and bittersweet.

[RynJ]

Anyhooo....

 

Spoiler

Solas appears to be pretty adamant that he banished Enavuris forever, or at least he doesn't seem to actively want to release them - who is sleeping, 'masked in a mirror' then?

 

Spoiler

I was thinking about this earlier, and it's definitely not the Enavuris based on how he talks. There might be more to him wanting to do this so badly than "all of you aren't real and I want muh world back". There might be people "hurting" that he needs to free

[Ossifer]

*shrug* Just my observations.

 

 

 

Case and point.

 

Masculine and "Badass" (even if morally degenerate) = good.

 

Perceived softer, gentler, more vulnerable (like historically oppressed slaves) = bad.

 

 

I also have a theory that modern fantasy elves are generally dislike hated because they threaten people's perceptions of humanity. If elves are shown to be morally equal or superior to humans, it threatens a commonly held belief that humans are so freaking awesome that we're the best race ever, both in the real world and any fictional world, so they automatically hate elves or pick the elves' faults apart to reassure themselves that humanity is still the best.

 

I think a lot of the hatred of Thedas elves also comes from suppressed guilt. Yes, Thedas elves are oppressed victims, but humans are the oppressors. Admitting that the elves deserve better means admitting that humanity did wrong (and that there's something fundamentally flawed with humans that we oppressed and destroy everything we can't control), so it's easier to assure themselves that elves suck, elves deserve their fate, elves did the same to each other, elves would do the same in human shoes, etc. etc.

 

I mean, given some of the revelations in The Masked Empire and Dragon Age Inquisition alone, it's amazing how many people jump to say, "See? The elves oppressed each other, so that makes it okay for us to oppress them!"

*jumps into conversation*

 

I think there's a tendency for some people to view oppression dynamics/xenophobia as "something they brought on themselves". It's easier, in a way, to see it like that, because it makes for a much less saddening picture. You can overlook the systematic power difference between factions and just handwave it as something that could easily be fixed if they just tried hard and believed in themselves!! 

 

It's there in-universe too- just look at how Mother Giselle talks about the Dales. She frames it as "oh, both sides were flawed," sort of argument. That is true in theory, but when the Chantry's "flaws" lead to it accumulating territory and wealth and knowledge, and the Dalish's flaws lead to them living hand-to-mouth in the deep woods, with no record of their culture, there's clearly an imbalance. There is literally no peaceful or easy way for them to regain any kind of power.

 

I really like the DA version of elves. They feel much more nuanced and complex than stereotypical poncy high elves. They struggle to deal with the collapse of their civilization in different ways- some of them are bitter, some just want to assimilate completely. It's relatable for a lot of people, I suppose. 

[drosophila]

I was thinking of going back to my Lavellan's no-kidding canon playthrough (I wasn't very far yet) after Trespasser...

 

Spoiler

...but I just can't.  Seeing her at the beginning of the game, all bright-eyed and naive, and knowing how difficult things will become for her...I can't do it right now.  It's one thing to theorize that Solas wanted to restore ancient Elvhenan.  It's another thing to boot up the game, do one of the Haven flirts with him, and realize he still wants the orb and was planning on it all along, even while talking to quizzy about SAVING the world from Corypheus.  Maybe I'll go back to Adaar and Dorian; I can handle long-distance relationship just fine.  I'm pretty sure Dorian's not trying to tear the Veil or destroy the world ><

Spoiler

I can relate to this so well. I had an inkling he would be trying to restore the elves, just in a slightly less destructive fashion, maybe conquering back the Dales or something... I don't know, maybe I just didn't want to see it.

 

But now I just keep going back to all these little moments in game that suddenly don't mean what I thought they meant. 

• That screenshot someone posted just a couple of days ago of Solas kneeling to help a refugee at the Crossroads.
• Solas saying how he will remember the people when it is all over and how they courageously fought against the tide.
• "It would be kinder in the long run."
• Remembering that one mission in the Emerald Graves where Inky scattered somebody's ashes and Solas said, "That was a kind thing you did."
• All this talk about how he values wisdom.

All this time... He was just trying to give everyone a moment of peace before destroying them. The thought still horrifies me. 

 

Dread Wolf's pretty accurate for him, I think. 

[Cespar]

I know you guys would probably enjoy this:

 

Spoiler

[Miss This or That]

Spoiler

I can relate to this so well. I had an inkling he would be trying to restore the elves, just in a slightly less destructive fashion, maybe conquering back the Dales or something... I don't know, maybe I just didn't want to see it.

 

But now I just keep going back to all these little moments in game that suddenly don't mean what I thought they meant. 

• That screenshot someone posted just a couple of days ago of Solas kneeling to help a refugee at the Crossroads.
• Solas saying how he will remember the people when it is all over and how they courageously fought against the tide.
• "It would be kinder in the long run."
• Remembering that one mission in the Emerald Graves where Inky scattered somebody's ashes and Solas said, "That was a kind thing you did."
• All this talk about how he values wisdom.

All this time... He was just trying to give everyone a moment of peace before destroying them. The thought still horrifies me. 

 

Dread Wolf's pretty accurate for him, I think. 

 

Spoiler

So much yes for this post! Also, the way he treats Dorian suddenly becomes even more grim.

 

• Dorian: Solas, for what it's worth, I'm sorry.
• Dorian: The elven city of Arlathan sounds like a magical place, and for my ancestors to have destroyed it...
• Solas: Dorian... hush.
• Solas: Empires rise and fall. Arlathan was no more "innocent" than your own Tevinter in its time.
• Solas: Your nostalgia for the ancient elves, however romanticized, is pointless.
• Solas: If you wish to make amends for past transgressions, free the slaves of all races who live in Tevinter today.
• Dorian: I... don't know that I can do that.
• Solas: Then how sorry are you?

 

• Dorian: I can't believe you entered the Fade. Physically.
• Solas: You think that is an achievement of which to be proud?
• Dorian: It's the second time that's been done in all of history. That's not nothing, Solas.
• Solas: In all of human history.
• Dorian: The Fade is still a mystery to us humans, yes. Probably always will be.
• Solas: Perhaps it's best it remain that way.

 

Solas is literally willing to doom all Thedas, is building an army, planned all of this since the very beginning, yet he dehumanises Dorian so much that he even goes as far as to say that just because Dorian does not think/cannot gain such an amount of power like Solas he cannot be truly sorry for the things that have been lost and the way the world behaves. Poor Dorian, really.

[_Lucinia]

Spoiler

I can relate to this so well. I had an inkling he would be trying to restore the elves, just in a slightly less destructive fashion, maybe conquering back the Dales or something... I don't know, maybe I just didn't want to see it.

 

But now I just keep going back to all these little moments in game that suddenly don't mean what I thought they meant. 

• That screenshot someone posted just a couple of days ago of Solas kneeling to help a refugee at the Crossroads.
• Solas saying how he will remember the people when it is all over and how they courageously fought against the tide.
• "It would be kinder in the long run."
• Remembering that one mission in the Emerald Graves where Inky scattered somebody's ashes and Solas said, "That was a kind thing you did."
• All this talk about how he values wisdom.

All this time... He was just trying to give everyone a moment of peace before destroying them. The thought still horrifies me. 

 

Dread Wolf's pretty accurate for him, I think. 

Spoiler

Tell ya what, my next play through is going to feel very different now.  I don't know if any characters going forward will romance Solas.  Don't get me wrong, I don't hate him.  Still care a great deal about the character.  Holy moly.  I finished Trespasser a couple of hours ago, and while I always suspected this is the direction it was all headed, still was a sucker punch when it all unfolded.

[drosophila]

Spoiler

So much yes for this post! Also, the way he treats Dorian suddenly becomes even more grim.

 

• Dorian: Solas, for what it's worth, I'm sorry.
• Dorian: The elven city of Arlathan sounds like a magical place, and for my ancestors to have destroyed it...
• Solas: Dorian... hush.
• Solas: Empires rise and fall. Arlathan was no more "innocent" than your own Tevinter in its time.
• Solas: Your nostalgia for the ancient elves, however romanticized, is pointless.
• Solas: If you wish to make amends for past transgressions, free the slaves of all races who live in Tevinter today.
• Dorian: I... don't know that I can do that.
• Solas: Then how sorry are you?

Solas is literally willing to doom all Thedas, is building an army, planned all of this since the very beginning, yet he dehumanises Dorian so much that he even goes as far as to say that just because Dorian does not think/cannot gain such an amount of power like Solas he cannot be truly sorry for the things that have been lost and they way the world behaves. Poor Dorian, really.

 

Spoiler

 

 

I regarded the way he treats Dorian as one of his flaws even before the latest revelation. But I think that in particular relates more to Solas just really valuing social activism. He believes if you don't like something in how society works, you have to fix it no matter what. So Dorian saying he simply can't sounds to Solas like Dorian is not trying hard enough. 

[Sable Rhapsody]

Spoiler

I can relate to this so well. I had an inkling he would be trying to restore the elves, just in a slightly less destructive fashion, maybe conquering back the Dales or something... I don't know, maybe I just didn't want to see it.

 

But now I just keep going back to all these little moments in game that suddenly don't mean what I thought they meant. 

• That screenshot someone posted just a couple of days ago of Solas kneeling to help a refugee at the Crossroads.
• Solas saying how he will remember the people when it is all over and how they courageously fought against the tide.
• "It would be kinder in the long run."
• Remembering that one mission in the Emerald Graves where Inky scattered somebody's ashes and Solas said, "That was a kind thing you did."
• All this talk about how he values wisdom.

All this time... He was just trying to give everyone a moment of peace before destroying them. The thought still horrifies me. 

 

Dread Wolf's pretty accurate for him, I think. 

 

Spoiler

Yeah, it's pretty horrifying.  Equally horrifying is the idea that a friendly/romanced Inquisitor changes his mind about people, and he still steels himself to go through with his f***ing terrible plan in Trespasser.  *shudder*

 

Or the alternative explanation, which is IMO even worse: with friendly/romance quizzy, he allows himself the indulgence of a dream.  For the brief period when he's with the Inquisition, he's just Solas.  He doesn't have to bear the burden of the Dread Wolf.  And with romanced Lavellan, he almost lets go of the burden for the dream, before it all comes rushing back with awful weight.  And he loved the dream so much that he had to force himself to abandon it.