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[drosophila]

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Probably because Solas doesn't want her there.  He didn't want her to follow him through the eluvian either.  While he might have once used the Inquisitor to serve his own purposes, the idea of dragging her directly into his mess seems to pain him greatly in Trespasser.  He already knows she wants to stop him, and more to the point, she actually has the ability to weaken his resolve.  So he keeps her out of the loop out of a misguided attempt to spare her.  As though she wouldn't go after him anyway, the DOLT 

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How could he possibly bring her along? It's clear he loves her, how can he bear her presence around him all the time while he is plotting the destruction of her world and her people? He can't possibly steel himself to that extent.

 

Lavellan: Good morning, emma lath. Your freckles are as cute as ever. How's your breakfast?

Solas: Good morning, vhenan. As always, I am fascinated by your rare and marvelous spirit. Excellent donuts this morning, cinnamon rashvine is my favorite.

Lavellan: By the way, how much longer before you destroy the Veil and kill me?

Solas: Does next Wednesday work?

 

[drosophila]

Norse mythology

 

Thanks! I'm out of likes as usual. 

[Sable Rhapsody]

I asked my friend if she'd lend me her dog for a while as a feels support cuddle buddy but she's not having it.

 

There have been much kitty wuggles in my house.  Which my kitty does not entirely enjoy, since it's about 100F outside.  

[Cee]

I get serious chills. I think that is my favorite from the DLC's. The loud deep beats at the beginning are amazing. Ugh chills forever. Its like a warning, and you know the music means ****** business.

 

 

I was also mildly reminded of Reaper horns? But not dissonant.

 

But overall I love this. Ugh, I kind of want to cry again.

[NightSymphony]

Thanks! I'm out of likes as usual. 

Lol..You're welcome;  so am I. :-P

[ChuChu]

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It's horrifying, yes, but it's also....sad on like eight different levels of sad. They added EVEN MORE layers of sad to Solas. There's some sort of reluctance there, and it leaves a small crack in the door for hope. Hope is a terrible thing to give up on, and I'm glad it ended on a note where hope still remains open.

 

Solas' plans and deeds are simultaneously noble and also very, very bad. But in a resigned, too-obsessed with the past and looking back, treating people as not 'real' to minimize the effect.

 

When we were all just theorizing, there was already indication removing the Veil would be dangerous. And his dialogue does hint at that being one of his plans. We already knew that he held certain distance between himself and others.

 

But additionally, Cole...Cole still believes..."he isn't that kind of wolf". There's still hope.

 

I feel a lot of things, but it's clear that even when he tries to deny caring, he cares. I'm so glad that for the romance, he was just straightforward about caring, about still loving her, with no pretenses.

 

Some may hate the lore dump but I liked the way he just told you the whole truth. He, finally, did not obscure, he didn't decline, he didn't avoid it. He was, finally, just honest.

 

 

 

And on that note....

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First of all, I love how our theory trains kind of followed all the clues somewhat correctly. There are a few questions I still have but at least we got answers.

And that part where his voice cracks, and he says something like (and I'm going from memory here)... "what is the old dalish curse? May the dread wolf take you?"... I like to imagine he had that line tucked away all this time for whenever he told her the truth. Like his way of seeing if she'll accept him or not. Oh my gosh that was the most heartbreaking dialogue string.

[Cee]

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How could he possibly bring her along? It's clear he loves her, how can he bear her presence around him all the time while he is plotting the destruction of her world and her people? He can't possibly steel himself to that extent.

 

Lavellan: Good morning, emma lath. Your freckles are as cute as ever. How's your breakfast?

Solas: Good morning, vhenan. As always, I am fascinated by your rare and marvelous spirit. Excellent donuts this morning, cinnamon rashvine is my favorite.

Lavellan: By the way, how much longer before you destroy the Veil and kill me?

Solas: Does next Wednesday work?

 

 

 

I really need these doses of laughter in between.

[_Lucinia]

I just have to say,

 

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If there was a way to get rid of the Veil without destroying the world, I would totally be on board.  I was all ready to be like "Yeah Solas let me go with you and fix everything!"  But then he said everyone would die.. and yeah I can't go that far.

[ChuChu]

I asked my friend if she'd lend me her dog for a while as a feels support cuddle buddy but she's not having it.

I have a very wolfy looking dog. She is serving me nicely as a cuddle buddy... and I regret not naming her Fen'Harel.

[Janic99]

I get serious chills. I think that is my favorite from the DLC's. The loud deep beats at the beginning are amazing. Ugh chills forever. Its like a warning, and you know the music means ****** business.

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I played it without music the first time becaused I needed to record the speech and I gotta say I broke down when he says '' may the dread wolf take you... '''
to lavellan because after you can hear this small part of his vois kind of like swallowing sound like.. it's super emotional and I was literally holding my hands on my face with my mouth opened the whole time I was watching the scene...

[drosophila]

 

I really need these doses of laughter in between.

 

Thanks I think if I've gotten to the point of cracking jokes, I'll get through this. I'll be back in the optimism corner eventually. 

[Cee]

And on that note....

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First of all, I love how our theory trains kind of followed all the clues somewhat correctly. There are a few questions I still have but at least we got answers.

And that part where his voice cracks, and he says something like "what is the old dalish curse? May the dread wolf take you?"... I like to imagine he had that line tucked away all this time for whenever he told her the truth. Like his way of seeing if she'll accept him or not. Oh my gosh that was the most heartbreaking dialogue string.

 

 

 

[Onecrazymonkey1]

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Yep I certainly didn't pick the option to go with him and instead picked the "we were all pawns in your game line" which I don't remember what she said exactly but that's when he actually admitted to using the elves. Then after he explained his plans, my Lavellan literally told him his plan would be genocide to which he asked "wouldn't you do the same for your people?" *shudders*.....I played an angry Lavellan but I didn't break it off and I chose to redeem him; I want to save Solas not enable him. The follow him option was really strange with the way it panned out actually; how could a Lavellan do that to her family if they're alive? Cass, Dorian, Iron Bull??? etc.

I'm kind of curious to the options everyone picked when talking to him now. I was mostly picking the bottom or middle ones.

[drosophila]

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Well, it's not like my Inquisitor didn't help other races too (it's not like she only went around helping elven NPCs in peril, but said "F*CK OFF!" to human NPCs), but she sees elves as having the greater need (mass poverty, disenfranchisement, second-class citizenry, homelessness, etc), so she wanted to provide the greater aid.

 

She probably would have made the Inquisition equal for all races, except Thedas is not equal for all races. (When you have the power to influence Thedas law, culture, and society to make things more equal for the oppressed, why not use it?)

 

About Abelas, it sounds to me like he went with Solas. How did that exchange go? "There are other places you can join. Other elves." "Elves like you?" "Elves like me." I was surprised to learn that Solas already had an underground network of elves spying and working for him before he even met the Inquisitor... so he might have been indirectly inviting him to come work for him. (There's a thought.  ) 

 

Although I'm not sure Mythal is any better for Abelas to join than Solas in this regard. If the stories of Flemeth's many atrocities can be believed, Mythal is not as kind as she once was. She's also been around for centuries but hasn't helped the elves a bit, and if the Inquisitor calls her out on it, she kind of makes it clear she's more interested in pursuing her vengeance than helping her people. She even says something like "it shall be a reckoning that rocks the foundation of the very heavens." That doesn't sound good collateral damage-wise. 

 

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Good point about Mythal...

 

Is there anyone in Thedas I can trust?

 

Josephine! My sweet beautiful funny Josephine! I'll be playing Tresspasser with you by my side soon. 

 

[Sable Rhapsody]

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Good point about Mythal...

 

Is there anyone in Thedas I can trust?

 

Josephine! My sweet beautiful funny Josephine! I'll be playing Tresspasser with you by my side soon. 

 

 

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Let's just make Josephine Supreme Goddess of Thedas.  She couldn't possibly do WORSE than all these chuckleheads who are running around.

[drosophila]

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Let's just make Josephine Supreme Goddess of Thedas.  She couldn't possibly do WORSE than all these chuckleheads who are running around.

 

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She's been herding all those nobles who consider themselves gods anyway. She'll do just fine.

 

All hail Josephine, Supreme Goddess of Thedas and Swan Princess of Awesome. 

 

Edit: Top Solas from Solas-an.

 

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He's probably working on his spy network over here.

 

[midnight tea]

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Yep I certainly didn't pick the option to go with him and instead picked the "we were all pawns in your game line" which I don't remember what she said exactly but than he actually admitted to using the elves. Then after he explained his plans, my Lavellan literally told him his plan would be genocide to which he asked "wouldn't you do the same for your people?" *shudders*.....I played an angry Lavellan but I didn't break it off and I chose to redeem him; I want to save Solas not enable him. The follow him option was really strange with the way it panned out actually; how could a Lavellan do that to her family if they're alive? Cass, Dorian, Iron Bull??? etc.

 

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To be fair to her, Solas at that point only told her that he is determined to restore the elves, even IF it means destruction of the world. At that point his intention of definitely destroying the world wasn't yet known to her. She might have thought that she might help him in some way that doesn't perhaps require such drastic measures - though that's aside from the fact that the option itself sounds more like she's terrified for him and what's he's doing to himself and wants to help him with his burden in some way, rather than eagerly joins his cause.

[TheEggCrusher]

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Is it bad if I agree with opening the veil, even though I hate how it must be done? 

 

It took me a long time to come to this conclusion. I thought about it at every angle of morality. I thought about all the horrible and possibly good consequences I could come up with. 

 

My conclucion only came to me when I thought: What if I was actually there? What if I was a part of that world and knew, like Solas does, the potential it has and lost to be truly beautiful? 

 

Thedas was originally a merged world. It was originally the Fade and the physical realm in one. How I see it is, the veil is an aberration that is keeping the Thedosians from themselves and understanding who they are and what their world truly is. 

 

I think this, and then I hate myself for thinking the means worth the ends. 

 

If I was in the inquisitor's shoes, I would rather the world be as it was than struggle against itself. That is basically the state of Thedas is it is. They struggle against magic and the mysteries of the Fade. This problem will always persist as long as the Fade is separate from the physical. 

 

And so, this is why I find the chaos after taking down the Veil worth it. This is also why I think i'm an a**hole, but that's nothing new to me. At least I know I'm a bit crazy, unlike Solas, apparently =3=

[Uirebhiril]

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How could he possibly bring her along? It's clear he loves her, how can he bear her presence around him all the time while he is plotting the destruction of her world and her people? He can't possibly steel himself to that extent.

 

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It's not so much about Solas bringing Lavellan along, at least in what I was talking about with the elves leaving thing... it's that it's an option at all for other elves, but Lavellan can't decide to run off and do the same. It just seemed odd. And it's just... weird to consider that he might be the one drawing all the elves away and knowing what the end is, especially if it will destroy them in the end.

 

That probably didn't make any more sense, but it's all I got in me for the moment.

[Sable Rhapsody]

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She's been herding all those nobles who consider themselves gods anyway. She'll do just fine.

 

All hail Josephine, Supreme Goddess of Thedas and Swan Princess of Awesome. 

 

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I am toying with the idea of dumping Solas and hooking my Lavellan up with Josephine, like I would've done if he hadn't been a romance.  Not seriously considering it, but still.  Swan Princesses of Awesome sounds like a much better life choice than being stuck dreaming about the Dread Wolf.

[midnight tea]

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It's not so much about Solas bringing Lavellan along, at least in what I was talking about with the elves leaving thing... it's that it's an option at all for other elves, but Lavellan can't decide to run off and do the same. It just seemed odd. And it's just... weird to consider that he might be the one drawing all the elves away and knowing what the end is, especially if it will destroy them in the end.

 

That probably didn't make any more sense, but it's all I got in me for the moment.

 

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What about that elven servant in Val Royeaux, that appears after ToM, claiming that Mythal appears in his dreams? ... Maybe some remnants of Mythal whisk elves somewhere, maybe even to protect them from something (Dread Wolf?). Or they're being lured out by something or someone we don't yet know about.

[ChuChu]

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It's not so much about Solas bringing Lavellan along, at least in what I was talking about with the elves leaving thing... it's that it's an option at all for other elves, but Lavellan can't decide to run off and do the same. It just seemed odd. And it's just... weird to consider that he might be the one drawing all the elves away and knowing what the end is, especially if it will destroy them in the end.

 

That probably didn't make any more sense, but it's all I got in me for the moment.

 

No I totally agree with you.

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It is like... well, if the other elves are supposedly going off with Solas, why wouldn't Lavellan be interested? Because she has too many human/dwarf/qunari relationships, or something? I play very elfy, and so I would be all for the elfy option.

 

 

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Is it bad if I agree with opening the veil, even though I hate how it must be done? 

 

It took me a long time to come to this conclusion. I thought about it at every angle of morality. I thought about all the horrible and possibly good consequences I could come up with. 

 

My conclucion only came to me when I thought: What if I was actually there? What if I was a part of that world and knew, like Solas does, the potential it has and lost to be truly beautiful? 

 

Thedas was originally a merged world. It was originally the Fade and the physical realm in one. How I see it is, the veil is an aberration that is keeping the Thedosians from themselves and understanding who they are and what their world truly is. 

 

I think this, and then I hate myself for thinking the means worth the ends. 

 

If I was in the inquisitor's shoes, I would rather the world be as it was than struggle against itself. That is basically the state of Thedas is it is. They struggle against magic and the mysteries of the Fade. This problem will always persist as long as the Fade is separate from the physical. 

 

And so, this is why I find the chaos after taking down the Veil worth it. This is also why I think i'm an a**hole, but that's nothing new to me. At least I know I'm a bit crazy, unlike Solas, apparently =3=

I also agree!

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Who knows, maybe (like in Korra) they will find a solution that works. I'd be all for either outcome. Either the world reverts to what it was, or everyone learns to live with what is. But personally, I think the way Thedas is... is broken.

[drosophila]

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It's not so much about Solas bringing Lavellan along, at least in what I was talking about with the elves leaving thing... it's that it's an option at all for other elves, but Lavellan can't decide to run off and do the same. It just seemed odd. And it's just... weird to consider that he might be the one drawing all the elves away and knowing what the end is, especially if it will destroy them in the end.

 

That probably didn't make any more sense, but it's all I got in me for the moment.

 

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I get that and I definitely get why she would join him. From an RP standpoint, my Lavellan would say, "As long as I can be with you, all of Thedas can burn."

 

What I was talking about in that post is why Solas said no when she asked him if she could join him in the final scene. 

[SgtSteel91]

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I really liked the friendship scene with Solas as he's clearly torn with his resolution to tear down the Veil and wants to be proven wrong by what is possible his only friend in this world. And especially as my non-Mage Human Inquisitor since they're like the antithesis to Solas' old world views but they still developed a strong friendship that I felt at this scene. I loved when you say you'll redeem him and prove him wrong, and, in my mind, the same way you don't disband the Inquisition as your first challenge to him with his assertion that the Inquisition will fall to corruption and betrayal.