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[Schizya]

ALso finished yesterday.

I feel like I need to watch a lot of Friends to forget. It was painful, I didn't know I cared that much.

 

Stupid egg head

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My poor Lumen loosing her hand was very disturbing. I feel so sorry for her now, poor baby.
And there is no way this is gonna end well. Solas will either succeed, or fail and die. And if he succeeds, he will also die, because those elven gods will kill him I'm being pessimistic, I know. But I just feel so bad right now

[redbowlingball]

I posted this song in the Cole thread a while back as it's sort of Cole-ish but it also fits very well for a Solas-romancing Lavellan. I thought I'd share as part of the post-Trespasser feels 

 

 

Lyrics:

 

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Oh dear, my heart is taken

From my chest

Oh dear, my heart is taken

I can never rest

 

By the moon

I can feel your heart beating

By the moon

I can hear you call

 

Here in the dark

My love wanders on

When the cruel morning comes

Then again he's gone, gone, gone, gone

 

Brave thought the stars they make me

I can't breath

Brave though the stars they make me

I can never leave

 

By the moon

Where you walk, I can follow

By the moon

I can hear you call

 

Here in the dark

My love wanders on

When the cruel morning comes

Then again he's gone, gone, gone, gone

When all the world it sleeps

The moon plays host

When all the world it sleeps

Then I see your ghost

 

By the moon

There, your pale lips they haunt

By the moon

In your tender arms, they dance me
By the moon

I can hear you call

 

Here in the dark

My love wanders on

When the cruel morning comes

Then again he's

 

Here in the dark

My love wanders on

When the cruel morning comes

Then again he's

 

Here in the dark

My love wanders on

When the cruel morning comes

Then again he's gone, gone, gone, gone

Gone, gone, gone, gone

 

Here in the dark
My love wanders on

Here in the dark

My love wanders on

 

 

 

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I'm having so many sad feelings about everything, particularly Cole (I made a post about it on his thread but it's pretty quiet over there). Last night I dreamt my Lavellan committed suicide The feels with this DLC are strong. I really understand where Solas is coming from and considering the magnitude of everything that has happened to him I imagine he's still functioning in some sort of state of shock and grief. I don't blame him for feeling the need to do what he's doing but my Lavellan will do all she can to save him. He wants to be stopped but cannot do it himself as everything is his fault - what else can he do? Nearly every ill in Thedas is tied to his actions. I don't think this is simply a case of him believing ancient elves superior. Ugh. It's all so friggen tragic and complicated.

 

[Moondreamer01]

Can someone confirm to me that

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everywhere we see Solas being depicted, he's always bald? On every Trespasser's murals talking about him, or elven sculptures that might look like him? I'd love to have access to a masterpost of Trespasser's murals.

 

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As far as I could tell, all the mural I saw either depicted him bald or cowled. So... headcanon aside I don't think Solas ever had hair

[RedMagister]

On Inquisitor, Solas, Corypheus, Ameridan & the World

 

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Something that remained with me after finishing this DLC are Morrigan's words. In the epilogue Morrigan says, "’Tis said that Corypheus woke after his long slumber and found the world gone awry."

 

In the final discussion with Solas he says that when he woke up a year before the explosion at the Conclave it was like everyone was Tranquil. He's determined to bring back existence as he remembers it, no matter the cost.

 

This is very similar to the next line in the initial epilogue narrated by Morrigan, "He fought to bring back those days of magic and shadow, to raise himself as a god, and set things right."

 

However, I think possibly the most apt parallels is one you can draw with yourself: Your Inquisitor's reaction to In Hushed Whispers is perhaps the most telling.

 

When your Inquisitor are sent into the future, you see a world in total chaos and misery. At any point, did you think to yourself, "Maybe I should look into this more, and not try to erase this future?"

 

Erasing this future means destroying anyone who was born. Erasing bad things, of course, but good things, too, even if they seem few. There must be some good things that were present in that world. Perhaps we could have helped the resistance fight the Elder One and take him down instead of erasing the timeline.

 

However, you and Dorian never stop and consider that you should salvage this world or save it. This world is abhorrent to you. A total catastrophe, and failing abomination. Of course you are going to restore the world you knew. Whatever the flaws of your own world, it is surely better than what you see? Dorian even repeats this to character such as Leliana who replied that this world was real to them regardless of what you say.

 

There are parallels with Corypheus, yes, but Corypheus, at least, woke to a world that was not too altered. Corypheus lived in a time with the Veil. On the other hand, you entered into and Solas woke to a world that is torn apart from the one both of you respectively knew.

 

Let us take this further. What if you were sent 20 years in the future? 200? 2000 ? The people kicking around then, all corrupted by Red Lyrium, even the children. The people live as long as 20 or 30. All slaves to Corypheus unless you are magister, a human and a citizen of Tevinter.

 

Yet they insist, no, their world is fine. It is all good. Though, you know that there was a world that you can return that was so much better. These people, despite being miserable, corrupted slaves, they see value in themselves. Do you erase them anyway? Or do you let this world continue as it goes? That is the world Solas woke up to.

 

Solas woke up to a world with little magic...A world where Titans slept, Dwarves are sundered, Great Dragons are mere beasts, Elves are weak shadows of themselves...A world where Spirits are feared, where there is massive conflict every 5 to 10 years, where mages are locked up in a tower...A world where there exists philosophies such as the Qun and a world that still practices slavery, especially of Elves...

 

To Solas, this world must have appeared to be like how our Inquisitors saw the future world in the quest In Hushed Whispers. The Inquisitors proceeds to undo it within an instant whereas Solas at least try to make sense of it.

 

In Solas' position, I think you know what most of us would choose.The more I think about it, the more I understand where Solas' and Corypheus' are coming from. I cannot hate them. I can dislike them out of a sense of self preservation but I would pity them as well.

 

The worst part is that the Inquisitor, in game, does what Solas and Corypheus do, albeit on a smaller scale. We traveled to the future, found a world that is abhorrent to us and sought to unmake it. We did so without hesitation, without doubt, without question and without any second thought to the people in that world. In fact, I think only Ameridan was the only person from the past who was okay with the future world.

 

The reality is that those who are calling for Solas' deaths and those who hate him are hypocrites, doubly so if they did the quest In Hushed Whispers. Upon further reflection, I do not want to kill Solas. I would stop him and only resort to killing him if there is no other choice. For the simple reason the Inquisitor is no different than Solas.

 

Personally, even I would do what Solas, Corypheus and Inquisitor did if I were put in their position. Without remorse, without hesitation and without fail. I would restore the world to what I knew unless if this alternate world is significantly superior in some way.

 

I would love your comments and thoughts on this. Or you can reply to them here:- http://forum.bioware...idan-the-world/

 

that's an interesting thought worth mulling over.

 

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regarding the response to the story, i think most of us eventually ask if there is a correct way to be, or try to create our own answer about the right way. That's what tends to happen when a situation like Solas's presents itself, and yet even if we made a conclusion, is that really the right way? 

 

Solas will go after what he sees is good for the people, and it's not necessarily good or bad. there will be losses and gains.

The qunari who want to stop him, stop the world from falling over again with magic, also have a motive that is not good or bad, and they think the losses are tolerable so long as the world they see is right is saved. They really do look like a reaction to Fen'Harel. 

The mortals- humans, drwarves, elves, etc.- want to gain power and continue on; they're sort of in the dark but they learn, grow, expand, of course with all the garbage- the wars, abuse, slavery. They're like children, figuring things out.

And part of these players- there's the protagonist we play, doing a "heroic" thing once in a while, like a splash of reason while many are toiling. Not necessarily better or worse, but what they can. Of course, it's not just our characters right? there's the companions who do a similar thing, in their own way. And it's all over the world of thedas, people doing little heroic things.

 

the answer we find is of course, no real answer. This is each of us pointing at what is right or wrong with someone or something so there really is no answer. Which is why the post is interesting and worth going over.

 

As I think of what story dragon age is telling, I feel more invested in the ending of dragon age and Solas's ending too.

Mythal's struggle for peace meant she had to be pragmatic, to make difficult choices. because the rest didn't want to deal with her they killed her. Solas, sick of it all, like they took out the one good thing in the world that made sense, decided to make a choice to alter the world. But neither Solas or Mythal really found peace, and they struggle across centuries later trying to save the world in their own way.

 

during the encounter with Solas i thought, can't Solas be saved? can't he find peace? where will we find closure? but that's where the protagonist comes in the story, right?

Even if it's momentary i want to see a point where the character makes an act of faith, perhaps because it's too much for things to just be tragic. I guess it's the sort of story I want to see come out, but i'm sure what we get will be alright.

 

P.S. this reminds me of a manwha called Kubera. The author, Currygom, basically set a story where no one is innocent, no one is good or bad- it is similar in the sense that all these characters have a motive we may judge as just or unjust, and they make choices they take responsibility for. I recommend it for you guys who like this sort of thing

[SamanthaJ]

I asked Evie for advice...she's not very helpful.

 

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Eviebot: Hello!

User: Well, I found Solas.

Eviebot: Sigh, 16.

User: It looks like he wants to destroy the world.

Eviebot: I only want to own it.

User: I guess you're more of a Corypheus then.

Eviebot: Nope. I don't like school.

User: Anyways, it seems he wants to rebuild it. The world.

Eviebot: *sings everybody wants to rule the world*.

User: Is there any hope for him? For his redemption?

Eviebot: Should I be scared of the Large Hadron Collider?

User: Is there any hope for me?

Eviebot: Just answer my question, should I be scared of the Large Hadron Collider?

User: I don't know what the Large Hadron Collider is. Can we talk about me and my despair please?

Eviebot: Have you heard of the band Creed?

User: Yes.

Eviebot: Do you listen to them often?

User: A couple of their songs.

Eviebot: It doesn't seem like I get much credit.

User: Are you implying that I should listen to a Creede song and relate it to my Solas feels?

Eviebot: Who do you like better, angelina or jennifer?

User: Are you telling me I should listen to One Last Breath and think of Solas?

Eviebot: No, just that I'm far from the prettiest.

User: But Evie, if I do as you say I'll just be sadder.

[Eurowande]

ok i just had this crazy though but... am all for team optimistic right now

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so you know how solas card change at the end from ' Hermit' to 'The Tower' , but if you romance him it stays the romanced one, may be just may be there is really a chance that Lavellan can save him, and cuz im sure the cards are not just random ill go dig some information on the actual tarot card meaning

[LeoEyes]

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So I just finished trespasser and man all the feels. I feel bad for my poor lavellen. First the thing with solas and loosing her arm! But overall I was happy with trespasser. I enjoyed that they did the cutscenes with all the characters and was pleasantly surprised about how much lore became available and what Solas told. Even though I am disappointed in how things concluded for now with Solas. It really feels there setting him up as a "villain" or someone to fight against in the next game or one after. Granted I am interested to see where they are going to take that, and I really hope bioware allows for player choice in how things in the future go with solas. I'd love a chance to turn him from this path or show him a different way.

 

I'm also a little uncomfortable with some of the other threads going on and tumblr and all the hate. I mean it's possible to love solas as a character and how much depth he has and want a good ending without being cool with his destroy the world plan? Even if he turned into a "villain" or something I'd still appreciate the story and character depth if a touch disappointed.

 

Also I'm curious about Sandel's prophecy too, and I have a feeling it might come into play perhaps with solas in the next game or the one after if they make two more. It'll be interesting to see how things turn out.

[Yaslana]

My Lavellan did all these things too! Hail Dirthamen!
 

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I refuse to believe Dirthamen could be bad. I'm sure Dirthamen was a great person deep inside. I will not give up on Dirthamen and the pantheon sex parties.
 
How about we try to reform not only the Dread Wolf but the evanuris as well in DA4? Bring the entire pantheon together so that they can be friends. Go big or go home?

Now i think of an anonymous evanuris meeting. With coffee from papercups, stale doughnuts and glitter.

[drosophila]

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oh im sure he knows that, thats why he loves her, and for him not loving anyone else so much before speak volumes ( i do believe he never love anyone else before, i just see him as someone whos love is for forever  )

 

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Hmm, I'm pretty sure he's had at least some experience. He's incredibly smooth with his flirting, and in the thousands of years he's been alive I hope he had someone. But at this point I think we know Lavellan holds a special place amongst his lovers. She may not be the first, but I think she'll be the last. 

 

There was also this theory that he and Ghilan'nain were lovers at some point but she was the one who betrayed him. I supported it and it seems it's still plausible even after the recent revelations.

[Delphine]

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"When all this is done, if we're both still alive, it will all be made clear."

 

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Well, he didn't lie about that one either now, did he? He told her everything in Trespasser (well almost all of it), and he keeps his word, at least.

 

Noooooooo! Don't go! Peeps will come down eventually and we need more people on this thread who can discuss his character in a polite and respectful manner all facets of his character! 

 

So far it's a bit better. I stick to this thread, and hope people will calm down eventually, myself included.

[Delphine]

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As far as I could tell, all the mural I saw either depicted him bald or cowled. So... headcanon aside I don't think Solas ever had hair

 

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Ahah, another proof to show to all those people awkwardly insisting on making Solas with uglyass hair canon!

[Cee]

So I just watched a Trespasser video with a human Inquisitor (Sera romanced).

 

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"You also know the burden of a title that all but replaces your name." - I'm glad they did point out some of the parallels.

 

And his comments about the stuff written in the Crossroads about him. Playing it down.

 

"Sometimes terrible choices are all that remain."

 

"Do not thank me. Without my orb Corypheus would never have been such a threat."

"I will do what I must, but there is no benefit in allowing harm to come to innocents before it's necessary."

 

"I hope it gives your people some final peace."

 

"Ultimately, none but I could have borne the mark and lived."

 

Then you can clearly see/hear that he does whatever to her arm to save her. With a lolbye - "Live well, while time remains".

 

[Eurowande]

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Hmm, I'm pretty sure he's had at least some experience. He's incredibly smooth with his flirting, and in the thousands of years he's been alive I hope he had someone. But at this point I think we know Lavellan holds a special place amongst his lovers. She may not be the first, but I think she'll be the last. 

 

There was also this theory that he and Ghilan'nain were lovers at some point but she was the one who betrayed him. I supported it and it seems it's still plausible even after the recent revelations.

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im not saying he did not have lovers, more like he did not really loved them, not the way he love Lavellan.

Ofc thats just my way of comforting myself

[drosophila]

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"Ultimately, none but I could have borne the mark and lived."

 

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Is that why Justinia was a sacrifice? So Cory could place the mark on her and enter the fade, dragging her along?

 

But why Justinia of all people? Is Justinia special or is something about the Divine special?

 

[LeoEyes]

 

So I just watched a Trespasser video with a human inquisitor

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I wonder then what he did to the ink's arm was seal the mark to just her arm and the mark consumed her arm or something?

[Cee]

Also from the above video (non-Solas related but epilogue cards spoiler)

 

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It mentions non-Divine Leliana with a romanced HoF and stealing away together to Leliana's childhood home.

 

But um, Calling...mission? It's sweet though.

 

[Yaslana]

My Lavellan did all these things too! Hail Dirthamen!
 

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I refuse to believe Dirthamen could be bad. I'm sure Dirthamen was a great person deep inside. I will not give up on Dirthamen and the pantheon sex parties.
 
How about we try to reform not only the Dread Wolf but the evanuris as well in DA4? Bring the entire pantheon together so that they can be friends. Go big or go home?

Now i think of an anonymous evanuris meeting. With coffee from papercups, stale doughnuts and glitter.

[DragonRacer]

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im not saying he did not have lovers, more like he did not really loved them, not the way he love Lavellan.

Ofc thats just my way of comforting myself

 

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Eh, I kinda get what you're saying. There's people you have loved - and that's totally legitimate and you really did love them - but if you happen to meet more of a soulmate, like THAT ONE TRUE LOVE OF YOUR LIFE, that sorta elevates that particular relationship.

[Moondreamer01]

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I wonder then what he did to the ink's arm was seal the mark to just her arm and the mark consumed her arm or something?

 

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The more I think about it, the more I think it might be something like that. I doubt Solas actually got the mark back. He just let it burn out while doing something or other to safeguard the Inquisitor's life while the process finished. There has to be a reason the focus was the receptacle of all that power in the first place instead of him gathering it in himself. I wonder if even Solas could survive the anchor's full power and it's why another type of vessel is used. Could be why foci were in use in general : as receptacle for powers too strong for a body to withstand.

[Moondreamer01]

Also from the above video (non-Solas related but epilogue cards spoiler)

 

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It mentions non-Divine Leliana with a romanced HoF and stealing away together to Leliana's childhood home.

 

But um, Calling...mission? It's sweet though.

 

 

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Wait... so that means the HoF actually returns from their trip? Gah, I wish we had more warden-related updates from Trespasser.

[MayriyaNoori]

So.....I finished last night.......and here are some of my thoughts/reactions.

 

Trespasser Spoilers of course.

 

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First off, DLC was great, but it would be an understatement for me to say I'm not an emotional mess even after a night of sleep. But, here are just osme of my thoughts about the whole thing.

 

The Inquisition

I am so happy with the way they let us conclude the Inquisition. I chose to disband to avoid corruption and it also just seemed to fit my Lavellan. She never wanted all of it in the first place, and she is pretty well done sitting in political meeting arguing with nobles and all that. If she is going to go off and save the world(and the man she loves =) ) she is going to do it fully on her own terms without all this Ferelden and Orlais non sense.

 

Lore

Some AMAZING lore drops here. I mean, did anyone sit and look at all the books that still existed in the Vir Dirthara and wish ALL of them could be clicked and read. I'm still gathering my thoughts on most of it, but I think it is pretty cool that many folks were pretty spot on in guessing what happened during the fall of Arlathan. Just the fact that we have some real understanding of what happened is awesome, and all the tid bits about elves and who they were. And seeing more of the Qun was interesting.....but I have to say I really don't like them. Bioware is going to have to do a lot to make me like them.

 

Solas

Oh boy.....wow. Talk about potentially the saddest character I have ever witnessed in any media. Solas is taking the cake. But I have to say first off, how freaking heartbreaking/warming was it to hear that his name IS Solas. And so utterly depressing that he has been in uthenera since creating the Veil(at least seems heavily implied unless I  missed something) and living in dreams of the world he knew...but probably his version of what Elvhenan should have been. I mean, he's only been awake for what...roughly 6 years at the point of the last scene? Surely given a bit more time we can save him. I'm sure the number of Solas haters went up a ton from this DLC, but I stand by the Team Redemption based on one person. Cole. Cole has known everything the whole time and wants to help Solas. Cole doesn't help bad people. And, I think ultimately what we will have to do to change Solas' heart is heal the pain that Cole was trying to heal, as adamant as Solas was that it can't be healed.

 

I could go on and on and on about this character.....but I'm still sort of processing the scope of 'sad story' we are dealing with here.

 

The Romance

 

First off, Solavellan romance is epic and no offense to all other romances in the game so far.....this one beats them all. After everything was reveal in the conversation with Solas....his plans....what happened before the Inquisition....I thought back to things he said to  Lavellan.....most in particular..... "You changed everything." His feelings for her have already swayed him from causing an apocalypse. I know all friendly Inquisitors do, but let's be real, not on the level a romanced Lavellan clearly has. He was going to tell her all of this back at Crestwood and give up this whole World 2.0 plan because of the happiness she was bringing him. She was healing that pain that Cole wanted to heal, which makes all the more sense of why Cole wanted to help Solas and Lavellan in that post break up dialog.

 

The strange thing is that after sitting and thinking about it, I actually have more hope for Solas and Lavellan now than I did before the DLC. I mean, at the moent it's sad.....that ending slide of the wolf watching her was heart wrenching......and the final kiss....but the reality is that they are both alive an Lavellan is looking for him.

 

And if anyone in all of Thedas can change the Dread Wolf's heart.....it's Lavellan. She technically already did once......he just got scared, and who can blame him really. This world is so far from what he knows. But he didn't call her vhenan for nothing. She's his heart and home......and that's what he's trying to rebuild right?

 

Lavellan without an arm?

 

NOOOOOOOOO problem. My Lavellan is a Knight enchanter. I headcanon that she made a a pretty spirit arm band that works like the spirit blade hilt and she can summon an arm much the way the summons a sword. Will. Made. Manifest.

 

Oh.....and we going to Tevinter!!

 

Seriously stoked about this. The only thing that really tears at me is the fact that we probably won't be Lavellan anymore.

 

But.....if I can play an elf slave in Tenvinter that causes an uproar......I'll take it.

 

I have many more thoughts and feels. Still processing though and all.

 

Just remember.

 

Our Lavellans are real and they changed everything. We gotta to go save him now.

 

 

 

 

[Ajna]

Current status:

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Listening to The Dread Wolf theme repeatedly while hugging my dog and sobbing...

[FernRain]

@Drosophila:

 

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You're onto something. I want to know now.. I know next to nothing about the chantry, but I doubt divines have anything magical about them. Cory might have targeted her to destabilize Orlais.

 

Who was the master he referred to when he told the inquisitor how he was going to remove the anchor? Dumat? If so doesn't that put Dumat at odds with Solas? Then why did Mythal want to save another old god..

[drosophila]

Current status:

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Listening to The Dread Wolf theme repeatedly while hugging my dog and sobbing...

 

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I'm listening to "I am the one" on repeat with this lump in my throat.

 

[CapricornSun]

Also from the above video (non-Solas related but epilogue cards spoiler)

 

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It mentions non-Divine Leliana with a romanced HoF and stealing away together to Leliana's childhood home.

 

But um, Calling...mission? It's sweet though.

 

 

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Well that's sweet! My male Trev has an imported save with my male Cousland who romanced Leliana. I guess I'll try ending Trespasser with him after I end with my Lavellan.