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[MayriyaNoori]

So, after finishing I"m sitting here and debating doing another playthrough.......and for the first time ever I think I will be able to do a different LI.

 

Maybe.

[Illyria]

Poor Patrick on Twitter

 

What happend?

[phaonica]

Hello, everyone. I hope I'm not intruding. I finished the DLC late last night (stayed up way later than was healthy, lol), and so now I'm hanging out in the forums to see what all I missed. I knew you all do a lot of theory-crafting, so I figured I would ask this question here.

 

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I'm having some trouble figuring out WHEN the Veil was supposedly created. It seems like it would have to have been well before Arlathan was even founded, for various reasons I can think of. Was this mentioned somewhere and I missed it?

[TheEggCrusher]

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Mostly just seeing other branches of the dialogue options.

 

Oh, Solas.

 

L: "Why does this world have to die for the elves to return?"

S: "A good question. But not one I will answer. You have always shown a thoughtfulness I respected. It would be too easy to tell you too much."

 

His smile-regret-wistful expression here. Layers of sad.

 

And if you tell him "We were pawns" - you didn't care, you used us,  he says

"You were people, and you deserved better. Like all the rest I have used in one hopeless battle after another."

 

 

 

I'm done....for now. I think.

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I never saw the dialogue about the "pawns" and that "you are people" 

 

that's amazing ...

 

I'm going to have to do like 4 solasmance playthroughs just so i can experience all this amazing dialogue

 

(also I just want to keep romancing solas till i'm not sad anymore. yea, i think that's a good idea ...)

 

[Avejajed]

What happend?

Just getting a lot of nonsense. People demanding to know the whys and hows.

[laurelinvanyar]

I was simply musing. We don't yet have the full picture - but we do know that death in Thedas is different than it is here. Spirits can also die as well - only to be recreated. We know some beings or spirits have ability to be 'reborn', while other can jump bodies. Therefore death in Thedas may have many meanings, or different results.

 

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Well then why is Cole on a road to becoming human, if we choose that path for him? Why is Solas gushing over Lavellan's "rare and marvellous spirit"? Why are there quite a few codexes in elvhen destroyed library that suggest that elves indeed are quite spirit-like (not necessarily spirits per se, but close enough) and have shifting forms?

Also - the fact that spirits remained doesn't mean that personality of those who lived survived, ultimately meaning that what they were will eventually be destroyed - even if the potential of what they can be remained. And Solas is all about individuality and recognizing even spirits as sentient beings. Why then he wouldn't mourn people he intends to sacrifice - or at least mourn the fact that he ultimately does something he's very much against: robbing people of their choices and memories, even if only for the sake of transition or survival?

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This is all predicated on the christian/andrastian/dalish idea of "soul", right? What I'm failing to follow is how "soul" = "spirit". There is no proof that they are one and the same. In thedosian lore, the "soul" goes "beyond the fade" (or to the void, in the case of the qunari). Spirits are a separate species. With more in-game content you may come to be proven right, but we just don't have that kind of information yet. 

 

On Cole: I wonder if he would even have needed to manifest as human without the veil in the first place. It might have been any kind of human/spirit hybrid need not have existed pre-Solas. 

 

As for Solas caring about spirits, it's party why I find his plan to tear down the veil so baffling. Spirits would be as harmed as people. In fact Cole has a dialogue where spirits are fleeing to the far corners of the Fade, probably in anticipation of what Solas is going to do.

[Illyria]

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I never saw the dialogue about the "pawns" and that "you are people" 

 

that's amazing ...

 

I'm going to have to do like 4 solasmance playthroughs just so i can experience all this amazing dialogue

 

(also I just want to keep romancing solas till i'm not sad anymore. yea, i think that's a good idea ...)

 

 

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Like Solas just keep repeating the same mistakes hoping this time you'll get it right.

 

Just getting a lot of nonsense. People demanding to know the whys and hows.

 

I took a look.  I knew immediatly it was the ace vs sexual Solas fans.

[SamanthaJ]

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Like Solas just keep repeating the same mistakes hoping this time you'll get it right.

 

 

I took a look.  I knew immediatly it was the ace vs sexual Solas fans.

 

It was? One I saw was about the whole

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will the modern elves die too?

which they are apparently debating about on Tumblr.

[laurelinvanyar]

 

I took a look.  I knew immediatly it was the ace vs sexual Solas fans.

Poor guy. He deliberately gives people lines that are ambiguous and instead stopping arguments, it just makes more.

[Aviena]

I'm about to do a friendly Trevelyan Trespasser run. Give me strength. 

[TheEggCrusher]

I took a look.  I knew immediately it was the ace vs sexual Solas fans.

As a female who just so happens to be bisexual, one of the sexualities barely anyone believes exists, and an advocate for acceptance of all sexualities (as long as they're not illegal) I honestly do not understand the fighting about Solas' sexuality at all. 

 

His sexuality does not effect his character in any way. He's not even a real person, for ***** sake. Sexuality has nothing to do with the character of any individual. 

 

As a bisexual, I would like to be viewed by others mainly as who I am as a person, not by who I'm sexually attracted to. 

 

The fighting about him is honestly slightly offensive, since I've already dealt with so much **** about my sexuality which, honestly ​doesn't matter.

 

What's important is  the person, not the sexuality. 

[Caddius]

Hello, everyone. I hope I'm not intruding. I finished the DLC late last night (stayed up way later than was healthy, lol), and so now I'm hanging out in the forums to see what all I missed. I knew you all do a lot of theory-crafting, so I figured I would ask this question here.

 

Spoiler

I'm having some trouble figuring out WHEN the Veil was supposedly created. It seems like it would have to have been well before Arlathan was even founded, for various reasons I can think of. Was this mentioned somewhere and I missed it?

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Why would it have to be before the date of Arlathan being founded?
While I wouldn't be surprised if Arlathan was older than our starter date of 8000 years, I think it's clear from Solas's dialogue that Arlathan was around for a long-ass time before the Veil went up. And the Veil was up probably went up within 4800 years or so of Arlathan being founded in the official date given, since that's when the Old Gods began whispering to the Neromenian Dreamers from the Golden City. Fifty years before that, the Quickening is first noted on the timeline, which seems the most likely date to me.

[Miss This or That]

Poor guy. He deliberately gives people lines that are ambiguous and instead stopping arguments, it just makes more.

 

I'm right down in the middle and like to believe that Solas is demisexual. (I'm demisexual myself, so that's probably partly wishful thinking on my part. It doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things, but I like to believe that a character isn't perfectly allosexual for once.) Which, in this case, is pretty funny considering his

 

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statement that, at first, no one seems real to him, but he gets closer towards Quizzy and she pretty much seems to be an exception at first.  Let's all just agree he's solassexual. Or peoplesexual. Quizzysexual?

[Solas]

ugh both sides of the asexual sexual argument are щ（ﾟДﾟщ） inducing. its intentionally ambiguous, headcanon and portray/write/draw what you want, dont argue about it in a 'ha! my way is better' or 'omg the other side are sooo wrong' way and leave other people to their interpretations! come on. Solas is the biggest gamechanger Thedas has seen historically and presently and you wanna argue that they banged or didnt bang????

[midnight tea]

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This is all predicated on the christian/andrastian/dalish idea of "soul", right? What I'm failing to follow is how "soul" = "spirit". There is no proof that they are one and the same. In thedosian lore, the "soul" goes "beyond the fade" (or to the void, in the case of the qunari). Spirits are a separate species. With more in-game content you may come to be proven right, but we just don't have that kind of information yet.  

 

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Notice that the word 'soul' is rather rarely used. And from what I see, the 'soul' may simply be what spirit evolves into. Spirits are pretty simple creatures - only those who grow have the capacity of becoming something greater than that. Like Cole. I think Solas and Cole even have some banter about that. Only spirits who have enough of a personality are able to withstand being thrown into Thedas.

 

 

 

On Cole: I wonder if he would even have needed to manifest as human without the veil in the first place. It might have been any kind of human/spirit hybrid need not have existed pre-Solas. 

 

He would likely not manifest as human - I mean, is there any hint at the origin of humans? Or is it like someone somewhere in the franchise said - that back at the time, long ago, there were only elves?

 

 

 

As for Solas caring about spirits, it's party why I find his plan to tear down the veil so baffling. Spirits would be as harmed as people. In fact Cole has a dialogue where spirits are fleeing to the far corners of the Fade, probably in anticipation of what Solas is going to do.

 

That's the thing, isn't it? Nobody expected the Breach, or at least we get no hint of that. This time its seems that they flee, because they were warned.

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[drosophila]

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sorry if this upsets people and you're free to think otherwise! - I think any modern elves he's working with are tools, chesspieces he moves around as a means to an end. not to say he enjoys it but they're not people to him, and not his people, he plainly references using people lots of the time in the past to accomplish his goals so.. in the past, he was not even above using his actual people as well. he wishes them comfort in their remaining days in the same way you store tools in a padded tool box instead of throwing them all over the floor when you're not using them.. he offs felassan just because felassan began to think they WERE people.

 

Agree. 

 

...are we really going to debate what "death" means? lol

 

WTF happened while I was away?

 

So, after finishing I"m sitting here and debating doing another playthrough.......and for the first time ever I think I will be able to do a different LI.

 

Maybe.

 

Try Josephine!

 

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Like Solas just keep repeating the same mistakes hoping this time you'll get it right.

 

 

Ouch, but you're spot on!

[Mims]

Poor guy. He deliberately gives people lines that are ambiguous and instead stopping arguments, it just makes more.

 

Sadly, people don't really care about choice or fairness. They just want to be right. 

[ComedicSociopathy]

Sadly, people don't really care about choice or fairness. They just want to be right. 

 

And people say that BSN teaches no life lessons. 

[Miss This or That]

Sadly, people don't really care about choice or fairness. They just want to be right. 

 

Isn't that Solas in a nutshell?

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Like, that's pretty much who he wants to be because of his guilt, but he fails.

[MoonDrummer]

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I'm wondering that as well. I mean, I am sure Solas has his reasons for doing what he did, but he has always been clouded by his own, personal views of how things should be. What if someone like June just tagged along because he didn't knew any better?

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This. From what I've seen the gods very rarely agree on anything, so them unanimously deciding to off Mythal seems fishy to me. 

 

[drosophila]

As a female who just so happens to be bisexual, one of the sexualities barely anyone believes exists, and an advocate for acceptance of all sexualities (as long as they're not illegal) I honestly do not understand the fighting about Solas' sexuality at all. 

 

His sexuality does not effect his character in any way. He's not even a real person, for ***** sake. Sexuality has nothing to do with the character of any individual. 

 

As a bisexual, I would like to be viewed by others mainly as who I am as a person, not by who I'm sexually attracted to. 

 

The fighting about him is honestly slightly offensive, since I've already dealt with so much **** about my sexuality which, honestly ​doesn't matter.

 

What's important is  the person, not the sexuality. 

 

You're not alone, we exist. 

 

ugh both sides of the asexual sexual argument are щ（ﾟДﾟщ） inducing. its intentionally ambiguous, headcanon and portray/write/draw what you want, dont argue about it in a 'ha! my way is better' or 'omg the other side are sooo wrong' way and leave other people to their interpretations! come on. Solas is the biggest gamechanger Thedas has seen historically and presently and you wanna argue that they banged or didnt bang????

 

Is that what people are arguing about??? *facepalm*

 

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This is just how I reacted to things, but after the DLC the whole romance is waaaay back there in a dusty corner of my head. It was really well done, Solas loves her, nice open ending allowing you to headcanon whatever - I'm actually completely satisfied, realistically they ended it in the best way possible. 

 

When it comes to feels, I am way more affected by the realization that the whole time he was in the Inquizition he was building his spy network behind everyone's backs and planning to eventually kill every single person there. 

 

No wonder he never showed up for wicked grace. He was already playing his game and we were his cards all along. 

[S.W.]

What's important is the person, not the sexuality. 

 

Hey, another bi/queer/likes-lots-of-genders person here! *waves flag*

 

I just wanna add, I know that for some people sexuality is a hugely important part of their general identity, and one that defines the way that they see and experience the world - which is perfectly fine, valid, and fair. For others, like yourself, it's less important, and many of those people feel that a focus on sexuality can be limiting - which is also fine, of course!

 

I just thought I'd point this difference in opinion out because, well, I find the ace!Solas vs. sexual!Solas debate horribly annoying and boring, but I think it's worth understanding why people also care so much about it.

 

ugh both sides of the asexual sexual argument are щ（ﾟДﾟщ） inducing. its intentionally ambiguous, headcanon and portray/write/draw what you want, dont argue about it in a 'ha! my way is better' or 'omg the other side are sooo wrong' way and leave other people to their interpretations! come on. Solas is the biggest gamechanger Thedas has seen historically and presently and you wanna argue that they banged or didnt bang????

 

idk, I think you're right, the whole thing is massively щ（ﾟДﾟщ） inducing because it's canon that it's ambiguous and up to the reader and probably the Inquisitor in question and that's damn great. It appreciates that this game is an RPG, it involves roleplay and headcanon, whilst also accepting quite happily, yeah, Solas could be ace, go for it, and doesn't shut fans down.

 

but I will add, like above, sexuality is really important to some people, so I can understand why people get invested in fictional character's sexualities in general, (for some people knowing who a fictional character has banged, or loved, or both, is p. important and reassuring for them, and helps them figure out their own identity in seeing it reflected in fiction, if that makes any sense) it's just I don't think it makes any sense to get upset over it in the case of Solas.

[Solas]

ugh yeah drosophila, the sexual/asexual Solas has been raging since DAI was released. some people (by no means all, its very small minority on each) on both sides of the fence are militant about their interpretations and downright offended by the other side existing or even enraged by suggestions which contradict their own personal ideas about their sexual relationship or lack thereof. I'm queer and it's hugely important to me but meh. I love that it's ambiguous it mean's there's room for everyone! it's not the caring about sexuality or his sexuality that's the problem, it's the way they conduct the whole snafu.

[drosophila]

Hey, another bi/queer/likes-lots-of-genders person here! *waves flag*

 

but I will add, like above, sexuality is really important to some people, so I can understand why people get invested in fictional character's sexualities in general, (for some people who you've banged, or loved, or both, is p. important and reassuring for them, and helps them figure out their own identity in seeing it reflected, if that makes any sense) it's just I don't think it makes any sense to get upset over it in the case of Solas.

 

*flag*

 

But it is also very important to let people identify themselves as whatever sexuality they wish, right? So if it's already canon that it's ambiguous, why would you force your own views on what Solas should be on others?

 

Anyway, yeah, that's a bit of a pointless debate. Do you know WTF in the DLC sparked the arguments?

[Miss This or That]

but I will add, like above, sexuality is really important to some people, so I can understand why people get invested in fictional character's sexualities in general, (for some people who you've banged, or loved, or both, is p. important and reassuring for them, and helps them figure out their own identity in seeing it reflected, if that makes any sense) it's just I don't think it makes any sense to get upset over it in the case of Solas.

 

Thank you for these few lines in particular! For me, my sexuality is a pretty important thing, mostly because being demisexual or somewhere on the ace spectrum (not sure where exactly I fit in yet) makes being constantly surrounded by a world so deeply invested in all things sexual - be it advertisements for clothes, dating sites or something entirely different - very difficult. What confused me most was that my schoolmates back when I was in school thought I was a lesbian because I never had a boyfriend before. I never had a girlfriend, either.

 

That being said, I think it's great that we can roleplay so much in Inquisition. But the debate about ace Solas or allo Solas is pretty damn confusing and entirely unneccessary. We should appreciate the fact that the game allows us to see Solas in a lot of different shades of grey (no, not the book), not fight over who's Solas headcanon is more canon.