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[TheEggCrusher]

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the question was: Did Solas disintegrate my hand or did he pause the Anchor and then leave it for us to cut it off?

 

edit: i'm pretty sure the anchor wouldn't survive that

[S.W.]

weekes clarified on twitter 

 

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that the arm was disintegrated, and so, by effect, the anchor as well

 

 

that's a shame

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as unrealistically romantic as this might be, I would have liked to have hoped there might be some dormant traces or echoes of the anchor left in Lavellen, and that Solas would be able to control it at any given moment - but doesn't choose to. As if there's something accidental but powerful still connecting the two of them - and something which he can draw on to find her at any given moment, something which he can use to pull her towards him, something which he can make flare up and sparkle as if to say that he's there. But he doesn't. Because he can't - as much as he loves her, he can't be with her, in the slightest. And because he respects that she's her own person, following her own path, one that clashes with his almost inevitably.

[Solas]

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Banter between Solas and Cass during DA:I -

Cassandra: Solas, if you do not mind me asking, what do you believe in?
Solas: Cause and effect. Wisdom as its own reward, and the inherent right of all free-willed people to exist. 

Notice the ‘free-willed’ part. Now consider his comparisons of modern Thedosians to Tranquil and how at first he didn’t see them as people (until time spent with the Inquisition, with a high-approval Inquisitor). In a way he was plainly and to their faces boldly stating that he believes only his people have the inherent right to exist, and that their peoples do not, by virtue of lacking free will, as he saw it at that time. щ(ºДºщ) 

(Tranquil=no free will isn’t a.. perfect comparison but it gets the point across.)

[Avejajed]

Gameplay question.

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How do you get across the missing bridge to the chest? It's burnt, at the beginning in the mountain elven temple thing. The first place you go. There's an eluvian on the other side but idk where to find the eluvian that goes there.

[Sable Rhapsody]

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From what I understand, it wasn't just Arlathan that was 'half in the Fade and half in the physical world'. Before the Veil everything in the world would have been half-fade, half-physical, not just the elves. It seems like magic could seep into all aspects of nature--plants, animals, stones, anything. It's not an event that I can imagine affected only the elves, and yet somehow no one's known legends account for it's happening?

 

Lore ramble incoming:

 

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It does, actually.  In the Chantry's legends.  The ones about the Maker and the creation of the world.  I know, I know, here I am dragging the icky Chantry into our happy fun elfy times.  But it does, bizarrely, line up.

 

First the Maker created the spirits and the Fade--and that's all the world was.  There was no Veil.  Everything was magical, and the first elves were the spirits who came to embody themselves.  The Golden City?  Probably Arlathan.

 

And then, the Maker sundered the world by separating the mortal realm from the spirits via the Veil.  "By My Will alone is Balance sundered / And the world given new life."  The firstborn of the Maker began to corrupt mortals by declaring themselves gods.  Sound like the Evanuris to anyone else?  The order is wrong; according to Solas, the Evanuris first became "gods", THEN Solas sealed them behind the Veil.  But the general cadence of things sounds awfully familiar.  Solas even calls the Evanuris "the first of my people."

 

There's one more piece; the elves recognize a sun god and an earth goddess prior to the Evanuris, and call Elgar'nan the Eldest of the Sun...who usurped his father and cast him down.  The Chantry teaches that the Maker's firstborn turned mortals from worshipping the Maker to worship them instead.  After the Maker cast them down, they began to whisper to mortal men--the Tevinter magisters.  So Maker = Sun.  And we have that theory rolling around about the Old Gods being the imprisoned forms of the Evanuris.

 

Maybe it's just the feels addling my brains, but there are parallels between the two legends.

[drosophila]

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Banter between Solas and Cass during DA:I -

Cassandra: Solas, if you do not mind me asking, what do you believe in?
Solas: Cause and effect. Wisdom as its own reward, and the inherent right of all free-willed people to exist. 

Notice the ‘free-willed’ part. Now consider his comparisons of modern Thedosians to Tranquil and how at first he didn’t see them as people (until time spent with the Inquisition, with a high-approval Inquisitor). In a way he was plainly and to their faces boldly stating that he believes only his people have the inherent right to exist, and that their peoples do not, by virtue of lacking free will, as he saw it at that time. щ(ºДºщ) 

(Tranquil=no free will isn’t a.. perfect comparison but it gets the point across.)

 

Damn.

 

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But strangely, I'm all out of feels (for now?). Well played, Fen'Harel. I think I'll just let you amuse and entertain me from now on.

[TheEggCrusher]

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he respects that she's her own person, following her own path, one that clashes with his almost inevitably.

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This. 

 

You can even have lavellan offer to help him, but he still turns her down. 

 

He's so adamant on protecting her and her "marvelous spirit" and free-will that he even denies her help to tear down the veil. She agrees to the one thing that he probably never thought she would, and he turns her down. 

 

Honestly, I understand why, I just wish (similar to how you wish the anchor was still there) that he would've agreed. 

 

I'm pro tearing down the veil anyways. I really wish he could've let her join.

 

[FernRain]

Lore ramble incoming:

 

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It does, actually.  In the Chantry's legends.  The ones about the Maker and the creation of the world.  I know, I know, here I am dragging the icky Chantry into our happy fun elfy times.  But it does, bizarrely, line up.

 

First the Maker created the spirits and the Fade--and that's all the world was.  There was no Veil.  Everything was magical, and the first elves were the spirits who came to embody themselves.  The Golden City?  Probably Arlathan.

 

And then, the Maker sundered the world by separating the mortal realm from the spirits via the Veil.  "By My Will alone is Balance sundered / And the world given new life."  The firstborn of the Maker began to corrupt mortals by declaring themselves gods.  Sound like the Evanuris to anyone else?  The order is wrong; according to Solas, the Evanuris first became "gods", THEN Solas sealed them behind the Veil.  But the general cadence of things sounds awfully familiar.  Solas even calls the Evanuris "the first of my people."

 

There's one more piece; the elves recognize a sun god and an earth goddess prior to the Evanuris, and call Elgar'nan the Eldest of the Sun...who usurped his father and cast him down.  The Chantry teaches that the Maker's firstborn turned mortals from worshipping the Maker to worship them instead.  After the Maker cast them down, they began to whisper to mortal men--the Tevinter magisters.  So Maker = Sun.  And we have that theory rolling around about the Old Gods being the imprisoned forms of the Evanuris.

 

Maybe it's just the feels addling my brains, but there are parallels between the two legends.

 

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It seems there's something going on there. Look at what looks like the chantry sun, surrounded by eyes like those in Solas' fresco:

 

 

To explain that image a bit more, I think it is surrounded by the 7 evanuris. Looks like Fen'harel is on the left, Mythal on the right (with the water symbol above her)? Not sure.

[almasy87]

low approval ending LOL

LOL will you look at that XD the way his expression suddenly gets serious..

Anyway.. I only managed to finish today because I was working the previous days D:

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Well what is there to say.. I loved every moment of it, ofc cried at the end, because the music was so beautiful, and ALL the feels, and oh my god does he look nice on the "Abelas" armor??? Seriously he looks SO hot, I can't even D:
Now I'm torn between theories of the quizzy coming back in a future game because of the epilogue where they still plan to look for him, and the painful thought that she will keep looking for him forever and he will keep watching her from the distance/in her dreams etc and that's all we are going to know for the rest of our lives D: SIGH. Beautiful though.. Fits perfectly.

Anyway, since the music in the DLC is simply gorgeous and there aren't any good quality mp3s of it yet around, and I simply need this music to be on repeat for the foreseeable days to come, I messed around with the cinematic tool's freeze frame to keep the music on loop, fraps and video converter to create some sorta decent recorded mp3s     
If you people want it, I'm sharing them here  https://www.dropbox....TXRc0ZPI2a?dl=0

[midnight tea]

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Banter between Solas and Cass during DA:I -

Cassandra: Solas, if you do not mind me asking, what do you believe in?
Solas: Cause and effect. Wisdom as its own reward, and the inherent right of all free-willed people to exist. 

Notice the ‘free-willed’ part. Now consider his comparisons of modern Thedosians to Tranquil and how at first he didn’t see them as people (until time spent with the Inquisition, with a high-approval Inquisitor). In a way he was plainly and to their faces boldly stating that he believes only his people have the inherent right to exist, and that their peoples do not, by virtue of lacking free will, as he saw it at that time. щ(ºДºщ) 

(Tranquil=no free will isn’t a.. perfect comparison but it gets the point across.)

 

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I don't think it's that simple. He goes with his plan even after admitting that Inquisitor made him recognize that Thedosians ARE people as well and that this world has value - he even says that they all deserve better. So he does seems to recognize that they're people with free will and right to exist. Heck, he even recognizes that spirits - much simpler constructs - are sentient and intelligent, hence he doesn't abuse them with bindings. He simply thinks that the sacrifice is necessary, even if horrible and he'll pay some sort of ultimate price for it.

[S.W.]

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This. 

 

You can even have lavellan offer to help him, but he still turns her down. 

 

He's so adamant on protecting her and her "marvelous spirit" and free-will that he even denies her help to tear down the veil. She agrees to the one thing that he probably never thought she would, and he turns her down. 

 

Honestly, I understand why, I just wish (similar to how you wish the anchor was still there) that he would've agreed. 

 

I'm pro tearing down the veil anyways. I really wish he could've let her join.

 

 

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me too - I'm kind of annoyed, I always thought tearing down the veil would solve a lot of problems re. demons and summoning and possession, and was the best long-term approach to helping mages - remove the reasons why mages are so feared, so volatile, so dangerous, and there's no reason to lock them up or cast them out any more. it's so irritating that we can't do that without killing 99% of people in Thedas.

 

I'm so glad he turned our inquisitor down, in reflection though. Like, as much as my Lavellan wanted to go with him, eventually it'd dawn on her that she was helping her boyfriend plan the end of the world, killing everyone she's ever known asides from him, including herself. She'd lose everything. She'd hurt everyone. And she'd likely have to lie and deceive to almost everyone she's known in order to make that happen. And it's not as if she's rewarded by 'getting her world back' or doing something like 'helping the people' - they aren't her people and it's not her world. Furthermore, she'd have to justify this to herself, knowing fully well all the details of Solas' plan and fully accepting that yes, modern elves are people. How could you do that without falling apart?

 

Seriously, how awful would that be? My Lavellan might want to escape with him into a new world in theory, but she couldn't hurt that many innocent people, no way.

[Cee]

LOL will you look at that XD the way his expression suddenly gets serious..

Anyway.. I only managed to finish today because I was working the previous days D:

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Well what is there to say.. I loved every moment of it, ofc cried at the end, because the music was so beautiful, and ALL the feels, and oh my god does he look nice on the "Abelas" armor??? Seriously he looks SO hot, I can't even D:
Now I'm torn between theories of the quizzy coming back in a future game because of the epilogue where they still plan to look for him, and the painful thought that she will keep looking for him forever and he will keep watching her from the distance/in her dreams etc and that's all we are going to know for the rest of our lives D: SIGH. Beautiful though.. Fits perfectly.

Anyway, since the music in the DLC is simply gorgeous and there aren't any good quality mp3s of it yet around, and I simply need this music to be on repeat for the foreseeable days to come, I messed around with the cinematic tool's freeze frame to keep the music on loop, fraps and video converter to create some sorta decent recorded mp3s     
If you people want it, I'm sharing them here  https://www.dropbox....TXRc0ZPI2a?dl=0

 

Ooh, thanks. I totally haven't had the music playing multiple times.
 

[Moondreamer01]

LOL will you look at that XD the way his expression suddenly gets serious..

Anyway.. I only managed to finish today because I was working the previous days D:

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Well what is there to say.. I loved every moment of it, ofc cried at the end, because the music was so beautiful, and ALL the feels, and oh my god does he look nice on the "Abelas" armor??? Seriously he looks SO hot, I can't even D:
Now I'm torn between theories of the quizzy coming back in a future game because of the epilogue where they still plan to look for him, and the painful thought that she will keep looking for him forever and he will keep watching her from the distance/in her dreams etc and that's all we are going to know for the rest of our lives D: SIGH. Beautiful though.. Fits perfectly.

Anyway, since the music in the DLC is simply gorgeous and there aren't any good quality mp3s of it yet around, and I simply need this music to be on repeat for the foreseeable days to come, I messed around with the cinematic tool's freeze frame to keep the music on loop, fraps and video converter to create some sorta decent recorded mp3s     
If you people want it, I'm sharing them here  https://www.dropbox....TXRc0ZPI2a?dl=0

Thank you so much! This will tide me over until they release an official copy of the music.

[TheEggCrusher]

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me too - I'm kind of annoyed, I always thought tearing down the veil would solve a lot of problems re. demons and summoning and possession, and was the best long-term approach to helping mages - remove the reasons why mages are so feared, so volatile, so dangerous, and there's no reason to lock them up or cast them out any more. it's so irritating that we can't do that without killing 99% of people in Thedas.

 

I'm so glad he turned our inquisitor down, in reflection though. Like, as much as my Lavellan wanted to go with him, eventually it'd dawn on her that she was helping her boyfriend plan the end of the world, killing everyone she's ever known asides from him, including herself. She'd lose everything. She'd hurt everyone. And she'd likely have to lie and deceive to almost everyone she's known in order to make that happen. And it's not as if she's rewarded by 'getting her world back' or doing something like 'helping the people' - they aren't her people and it's not her world. Furthermore, she'd have to justify this to herself, knowing fully well all the details of Solas' plan and fully accepting that yes, modern elves are people. How could you do that without falling apart?

 

Seriously, how awful would that be? My Lavellan might want to escape with him into a new world in theory, but she couldn't hurt that many innocent people, no way.

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I guess i'm just thinking of Lavellan as myself a bit. Like if I were in her shoes, I would've gone. 

 

I honestly think the sacrifice worth the long term results. I have an uncanny knack for being able to ditch people I love when I need to, so if Lavellan were me, she would've gone.  

 

I've said this before, but I'm a lot like Solas. I'm partly an extreme, logical, "i'm above the world" *sshole XD

 

(not meaning to insult solas, it's just that we think in basically all the same ways. if you met me you'd understand. i talk, walk, and even have the same posture as him. i don't have a welsh accent though. and i'm also not bald. close enough, though lol)

 

[Cee]

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me too - I'm kind of annoyed, I always thought tearing down the veil would solve a lot of problems re. demons and summoning and possession, and was the best long-term approach to helping mages - remove the reasons why mages are so feared, so volatile, so dangerous, and there's no reason to lock them up or cast them out any more. it's so irritating that we can't do that without killing 99% of people in Thedas.

 

I'm so glad he turned our inquisitor down, in reflection though. Like, as much as my Lavellan wanted to go with him, eventually it'd dawn on her that she was helping her boyfriend plan the end of the world, killing everyone she's ever known asides from him, including herself. She'd lose everything. She'd hurt everyone. And she'd likely have to lie and deceive to almost everyone she's known in order to make that happen. And it's not as if she's rewarded by 'getting her world back' or doing something like 'helping the people' - they aren't her people and it's not her world. Furthermore, she'd have to justify this to herself, knowing fully well all the details of Solas' plan and fully accepting that yes, modern elves are people. How could you do that without falling apart?

 

Seriously, how awful would that be? My Lavellan might want to escape with him into a new world in theory, but she couldn't hurt that many innocent people, no way.

 

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Mine has friends, family, and has been helping the people, helpign rebuild, helped save the world because she felt it was worth saving. So while I did have mine tell her she supported his goal, it worked out the way I hoped in that she wanted to try and change his mind. She didn't want him to be alone. And he revealed more after that anyway.

 

But no, she would never fully accept that. She has met so many people, helped many, made very close friends, her clan is still alive - so for me that's her parents, her sister, her brother, her friends. She could never look at them and throw her loved ones aside.

 

 

 

 

[Sable Rhapsody]

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It seems there's something going on there. Look at what looks like the chantry sun, surrounded by eyes like those in Solas' fresco:

 

 

To explain that image a bit more, I think it is surrounded by the 7 evanuris. Looks like Fen'harel is on the left, Mythal on the right (with the water symbol above her)? Not sure.

 

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I think that thing with the eyes is actually Elgar'nan.  Here's the description of him from the codex entry via the Well of Sorrows:

 

"For one moment there is an image of a shifting, shadowy mass with blazing eyes, whose form may be one or many. Then it fades."

 

If that's Elgar'nan, then the other seven around him are Andruil, June, Sylaise, Dirthamen, Mythal, Falon'Din, and Ghilan'nain.  The two on either side of the central fresco are maybe...two different forms of Fen'Harel?  On the right, he seems to be raising his orb to seal them away.

[Renmiri1]

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I know he holds your hand while he kisses you and disintegrates your arm, but does he also give you his wolf jaw bone necklace (is that why he holds your hand)??

 

if so, that would so sweet oh my god

PW says it's a great idea

https://twitter.com/...161505471959041

[Miss This or That]

PW says it's a great idea

https://twitter.com/...161505471959041

 

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And now I can sleep peacefully. I said days ago that if we can't have anything else, I still WANT that necklace.

[TheEggCrusher]

PW says it's a great idea

https://twitter.com/...161505471959041

nice thanks!! 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Solas in 2 pictures.

 

 

[Moondreamer01]

Solas in 2 pictures.

 

 

Ha! I'd go for a black Knight ending for Solas... Everything he's dead while he's sipping a cold drink in a small cafe in some Orlesian city with Levallan at his side

[midnight tea]

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me too - I'm kind of annoyed, I always thought tearing down the veil would solve a lot of problems re. demons and summoning and possession, and was the best long-term approach to helping mages - remove the reasons why mages are so feared, so volatile, so dangerous, and there's no reason to lock them up or cast them out any more. it's so irritating that we can't do that without killing 99% of people in Thedas.

 

I'm so glad he turned our inquisitor down, in reflection though. Like, as much as my Lavellan wanted to go with him, eventually it'd dawn on her that she was helping her boyfriend plan the end of the world, killing everyone she's ever known asides from him, including herself. She'd lose everything. She'd hurt everyone. And she'd likely have to lie and deceive to almost everyone she's known in order to make that happen. And it's not as if she's rewarded by 'getting her world back' or doing something like 'helping the people' - they aren't her people and it's not her world. Furthermore, she'd have to justify this to herself, knowing fully well all the details of Solas' plan and fully accepting that yes, modern elves are people. How could you do that without falling apart?

 

Seriously, how awful would that be? My Lavellan might want to escape with him into a new world in theory, but she couldn't hurt that many innocent people, no way.

 

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... Anyone else thinks that the reason he didn't let her join him may not just be sparing her the burden of everything he has to do and seeing him degenerate into something he hates, but because he marked (pun definitely intended) Inquisitor as his nemesis, reluctant as they may be in this role?

[Cee]

Ha! I'd go for a black Knight ending for Solas... Everything he's dead while he's sipping a cold drink in a small cafe in some Orlesian city with Levallan at his side

 

You mean frilly cakes.

[Moondreamer01]

You mean frilly cakes.

of course, how could I have forgotten the frilly cakes!

[Renmiri1]

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Reminds you of someone who is done being nice and needs a hand ?