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[Moondreamer01]

Another thing I find particularly sad:

 

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Solas takes the entire blame for what happened to the Elvhen, he shoulders it all, when in my view he shouldn't. As far as we know, it wasn't Solas's fault that the Evanuris were slave-owning, warmongering murderers fighting with other powerful factions as ordinary elves were caught in the crossfire or used as fodder. It wasn't his fault that Mythal was murdered either (according to Abelas anyway). In the end, he was one guy lumbered with a really crappy lose/lose decision - act, and cause the deaths of millions and the probable end of civilisation as he knew it; or don't act, and by inaction cause a slightly slower death of millions and the probable end of civilisation as he knew it (and that's not even taking into account whatever new horror the Evanuris were apparently planning). Once Mythal was taken out, the decision rested entirely on him - and honestly I can't see his guilt being the lesser if he'd chosen not to act instead.

 

Clearly (by his 'action is not inherently superior to inaction' convo with a low-approval Inquisitor) he comes to regret his decision, though not enough to choose inaction when faced with a similar choice again. And I do believe that we will learn that the choice is actually similar - a burning (probable) death by veilfire, or a slower (definite) lingering death from Blight. We know that Blight is in the lyrium, we know it's in the soil, therefore infecting the lowest part of the foodchain. We know dragons carry blight (though interestingly can seem to stem its spread in their own bodies - does killing dragons somehow make blight spread faster??), so it exists at the top of the food chain too. Thedas is dying a slow death I think, and Solas doesn't see a third way, but perhaps hopes that the Inquisitor can find one?

 

I do love the parallels between his story and the Inquisitor's - obviously the stakes are higher and the scale larger for Solas, but still. The Inquisitor is seen as a divine figure and can can either embrace that (like the Evanuris) or reject it (like Solas). The Inquisitor has to make decisions (alone, ultimately) that result in the deaths of good people along with bad regardless - Ser Barris and other decent people die if you don't do the Templar quest, reasonable  mages are killed if you do. The Inquisitor's goal throughout DAI is to stop a being who declares himself a god, Solas locked away those who declared the same of themselves; quizzy goes from 'hero' to 'threat'  very quickly after Corypheus's demise, Solas goes from someone waging a 'noble struggle' to being the villain of what remains of the culture he tried to save. They both know what it's like for their 'story' to get away from them. Then of course there's the mage quest, where the Inquisitor 'rights' a 'wrong' world, much as Solas is seeking to do ..

 

Sorry, I do realise all this will have been said before, and better than I'm saying it, but damn. Trespasser has made me love the base game even more because of all this

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I'm out of likes (already!) but THIS! So much this! Solas takes the entirety of the blame for everything that has happened in the last few millenia (from the fall of his civilization, which he did cause but had no good solution to stop) to all that happened since. This crushing guilt is eating at him and I don't think he can think clearly because of it. And, as he's already a monster in people's mind, why not go all the way for a future he hopes will be better once he push that big reset button? It's poignantly tragic and so, so wrong-headed. *sighs*

[DarthEmpress]

You're not alone. Haha. I posted one of these earlier, but took another just because it cracks me up. Endgame screenshots, taken with flycam:

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Tiger Festival, bringing back the duck face selfie..


With the worst. timing. ever.


My inquisitor, folks.

 

Hahaha she's adorable omg! XD

 

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It's hilarious that Solas leaves while Lav is all "imma duckface, gimme kissie :*"  HE PROBABLY THINKS IT'S THE MOST BEAUTIFUL THING HE'S EVER SEEN.

[Mims]

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Definitely agree that's the whole tragedy of this. Solas thinks it is his mistake to correct, when the elvhen empire was going to collapse regardless of what he did. If it wasn't him leading the revolution, it would have been someone else eventually. Or the evanuris would simply have obliterated everyone through their excess.  

[Kulyok]

(comes to the blanket fort again) I'm trying to find solace in great Solas fanfics (I'm slowly making up another list, will post it to the fanfic page sometime), and I'd like to once more post two great links to fluffy, warm, safe-for-work (at least in the first chapters) lovingly done works of fiction (for those who just can't deal with FEELS anymore, like me):

 

Message Sent

flower/inc

 

(both great, both AU, both still unfinished, the second one, um, more like abandoned than unfinished, but the first one is still going strong!)

[Oswin]

low approval ending LOL

 

If I didn't already like Solas, I think that may have sold me on him. 

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It also makes him way less villain-y to me. Someone like Corypheus would have loved to stand there and bore you with details about his amazing plan and why he will succeed. The more villainous ones would have just lied. But Solas gives you the cliff notes, saves you and leaves. Even though you clearly don't care, he feels you are at least owed the basics. What a champ.

 

 

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Wait, I thought the Dorian one was kinda left hanging too? Since he goes back to Tevinter and won't let you come with him?

 

Also, on a new protagonist. I'm kinda torn. I want my Lavellan to be very involved with the "going after Solas" plot, but I don't want anyone else controlling what she says. That didn't go so well with Hawke after all.

 

Yup

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Dorian's ending in a romance isn't all that different to the friend end. He goes back to Tevinter, he won't let you go with him   so you keep in contact via the communications crystal. There was a slide that said on the odd occasion people thought they saw your quizzy in the streets on Minrathous so there is a hint that you have some physical contact. So less 'left hanging' than our Solas romance but not really on the same level as the closure the other romances get. I'm guessing because Dorian and Mae are being set aside for the next game. I can't imagine they'd have DA4 in Tevinter without them. 

I just kinda hope that in DA4 my inquisitor is still at the front line of looking for Solas, so I won't care that he is only in phone contact with Dorian. They will be working on different things but in the same area.. so they could meet.. I'll take that.

 

Oh gawd, you guys. I'm so glad I had this thread and the 20-odd pages to read through. I came home earlier today and found my dog dead on the floor. She wasn't old, so it was completely wtf unexpected and out of nowhere. I've been a wreck. But all the lore, debates, and duckfaced Lavellans have been great. Really. I'm so grateful for all you smart and wonderful people having good discussions. It's been the right amount of distraction.

 

Best of all? Watching low approval Solas. That is the Best. Thing. Ever. inside of a one minute conversation. I laughed so hard.

 

I am so playing through Trespasser again tomorrow.

Damn, that is awful

Sending some internet hugs.

 

 

 

I was sorting through all my DAI video clips and was reminded about this comment my Fem!Lavellan made:

 

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Solas: "What will you do with the power of the Well once Corypheus is dead?"

Inquisitor: "I'll use whatever power I have to undo the chaos that Corypheus and his allies have caused."

Solas: "You would put things back to they way they were before?"

Inquisitor: "Yes, I mean... Not exactly"

Solas: "I know what you mean. Thank you."

Inquisitor: "For what?"

Solas: "You have not been what I expected Inquisitor. You have, impressed me. You honour the past and work to recover what was lost, even if the cost is high. I respect that and I am indebted to you for reminding me."

 

IT WAS ALL MY FAULT GUYS.

I REGRET EVERYTHING.

[Illyria]

Poor guy. He deliberately gives people lines that are ambiguous and instead stopping arguments, it just makes more.

 

He can't win.

 

As a female who just so happens to be bisexual, one of the sexualities barely anyone believes exists, and an advocate for acceptance of all sexualities (as long as they're not illegal) I honestly do not understand the fighting about Solas' sexuality at all. 

 

His sexuality does not effect his character in any way. He's not even a real person, for ***** sake. Sexuality has nothing to do with the character of any individual. 

 

As a bisexual, I would like to be viewed by others mainly as who I am as a person, not by who I'm sexually attracted to. 

 

The fighting about him is honestly slightly offensive, since I've already dealt with so much **** about my sexuality which, honestly ​doesn't matter.

 

What's important is  the person, not the sexuality. 

 

This ^^^ but also...

 

ugh both sides of the asexual sexual argument are щ（ﾟДﾟщ） inducing. its intentionally ambiguous, headcanon and portray/write/draw what you want, dont argue about it in a 'ha! my way is better' or 'omg the other side are sooo wrong' way and leave other people to their interpretations! come on. Solas is the biggest gamechanger Thedas has seen historically and presently and you wanna argue that they banged or didnt bang????

 

I have... complex views on leaving a character's sexuality up for debate:

 

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I've seen this used to erase the sexuality of every single bisexual character in DA. People just flat out ignore anything that didn't happen in their own game, or lines they never heard. Anders has canonically slept with Isabela and was attracted to a female Warden? Nope, he's gay. Leliana was in a relationship with another woman for years? Nope, straight. Hell, I've even seen people describing Bull - a character stated by his author to be pansexual - to be straight until Dorian.

Solas has dialouge in the game that indicate he's not asexual. Whether or not the player hears that is unimportant. It's still canon - just as Leliana's and Anders' bisexuality still exists.

I also think ace fans deserve far, far more than a character who can be interpreted as ace if you ignore a whole bunch of their dialouge, and I truly hope that we'll get a proper ace LI in a later game.

 

What should be more mportant is that the dialouge allows you to RP your character as ace.

 

low approval ending LOL

 

Oh my gosh.

 

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Inky: Look at how many craps I don't give

Solas: Well look at how many craps I don't give.

 

PW says it's a great idea

https://twitter.com/...161505471959041

 

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A romanced Lavellan better show up wearing the wolf jaw necklace in the next game.

 

Oh gawd, you guys. I'm so glad I had this thread and the 20-odd pages to read through. I came home earlier today and found my dog dead on the floor. She wasn't old, so it was completely wtf unexpected and out of nowhere. I've been a wreck. But all the lore, debates, and duckfaced Lavellans have been great. Really. I'm so grateful for all you smart and wonderful people having good discussions. It's been the right amount of distraction.

 

Best of all? Watching low approval Solas. That is the Best. Thing. Ever. inside of a one minute conversation. I laughed so hard.

 

I am so playing through Trespasser again tomorrow.

 

 

*hugs*

 

Losing an important friend is never easy.

[Illyria]

I was sorting through all my DAI video clips and was reminded about this comment my Fem!Lavellan made:

 

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Solas: "What will you do with the power of the Well once Corypheus is dead?"

Inquisitor: "I'll use whatever power I have to undo the chaos that Corypheus and his allies have caused."

Solas: "You would put things back to they way they were before?"

Inquisitor: "Yes, I mean... Not exactly"

Solas: "I know what you mean. Thank you."

Inquisitor: "For what?"

Solas: "You have not been what I expected Inquisitor. You have, impressed me. You honour the past and work to recover what was lost, even if the cost is high. I respect that and I am indebted to you for reminding me."

 

IT WAS ALL MY FAULT GUYS.

I REGRET EVERYTHING.

 

 

Mine had the same converstation.

 

Fun fact: I'm also to blame for Anders.  My Surana was the most pro mage freedom person around.  Anders had no real interest in getting involved with it until he met her...

[Caddius]

 

If I didn't already like Solas, I think that may have sold me on him. 

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It also makes him way less villain-y to me. Someone like Corypheus would have loved to stand there and bore you with details about his amazing plan and why he will succeed. The more villainous ones would have just lied. But Solas gives you the cliff notes, saves you and leaves. Even though you clearly don't care, he feels you are at least owed the basics. What a champ.

 

 

 

Yup

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Dorian's ending in a romance isn't all that different to the friend end. He goes back to Tevinter, he won't let you go with him   so you keep in contact via the communications crystal. There was a slide that said on the odd occasion people thought they saw your quizzy in the streets on Minrathous so there is a hint that you have some physical contact. So less 'left hanging' than our Solas romance but not really on the same level as the closure the other romances get. I'm guessing because Dorian and Mae are being set aside for the next game. I can't imagine they'd have DA4 in Tevinter without them. 

I just kinda hope that in DA4 my inquisitor is still at the front line of looking for Solas, so I won't care that he is only in phone contact with Dorian. They will be working on different things but in the same area.. so they could meet.. I'll take that.

 

Damn, that is awful

Sending some internet hugs.

 

 

 

I was sorting through all my DAI video clips and was reminded about this comment my Fem!Lavellan made:

 

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Solas: "What will you do with the power of the Well once Corypheus is dead?"

Inquisitor: "I'll use whatever power I have to undo the chaos that Corypheus and his allies have caused."

Solas: "You would put things back to they way they were before?"

Inquisitor: "Yes, I mean... Not exactly"

Solas: "I know what you mean. Thank you."

Inquisitor: "For what?"

Solas: "You have not been what I expected Inquisitor. You have, impressed me. You honour the past and work to recover what was lost, even if the cost is high. I respect that and I am indebted to you for reminding me."

 

IT WAS ALL MY FAULT GUYS.

I REGRET EVERYTHING.

 

*Cliff Racer screeching*

Damn Weekes. Damn his Lego-crafting soul to Tartarus.

[Oswin]

Mine had the same converstation.

 

Fun fact: I'm also to blame for Anders.  My Surana was the most pro mage freedom person around.  Anders had no real interest in getting involved with it until he met her...

 

Back when I was talking of restoring the past I was thinking more like.. When someone buys an old house that's crumbling and they do it up for somewhere nice to live.

You know, the nice pleasant kind of restoration that everyone can enjoy!

 

I don't think Solas was on the same page.

Definitely not on the same page.

[drake2511]

LOL, turns out Evie knows Solas and Sera

 

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Eviebot: Solas or Sera, which do you like better?

User: I like Solas more, and you?

Eviebot: Death metal.

User: Solas should be with Lavellan.

Eviebot: But you are a female cat..

 

I read the last line in Cole's voice.

[Avejajed]

The only problem I have with people who complain about the gender and sexuality identification of characters like this is that they are doing the complete opposite of what they are fighting so hard themselves to stop.

 

Forcing your viewpoints, however important they are to you, on other people is just wrong.

 

Some people can't see any other option but theirs and they refuse to see any shades of grey. It's black or white and they will never feel vindicated until someone makes their viewpoint official. But unfortunately for them its the writers, the ultimate creators of the characters, that define who and what these characters are and how they identify, not the player. We are lucky that they give us so many options as it is, when there are so many games out there that leave no room for interpretation. 

 

Why would you attack and tear down one of the few companies who work so hard to give voices to groups of people who don't always identify as straight? Why would you force someone into being what you want? Into feeling how you feel? Isn't that what they work so hard to prevent? They fight against being stuck in this box yet force others into another box, just one shaped different.

[Illyria]

Back when I was talking of restoring the past I was thinking more like.. When someone buys an old house that's crumbling and they do it up for somewhere nice to live.

You know, the nice pleasant kind of restoration that everyone can enjoy!

 

I don't think Solas was on the same page.

Definitely not on the same page.

 

I misread the dialouge you had:

 

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I actually picked the 'make the world better' and that I'd keep on trying if I got it wrong. Still to blame, and arguably MORE to blame.

THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT, SOLAS. THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT AT ALL.

[DarthEmpress]

All I can say is, I ain't gettin' involved in that ace vs. sexual Solas stuff again! 

 

Isn't it horrible that I can't romance another character?  I try, oh I try... I even make a non-Lavellan, but STILL... maybe if Solas just didn't appear in non-Lavellan games lol

[Cee]

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I'm glad to see people believing he was his real self and it was his real body, were right (myself included)

 

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I actually found it funny to see that line included because they were clearly paying attention to fan questions. But yeah, I never doubted him being the original Solas.

 

[Ajna]

All I can say is, I ain't gettin' involved in that ace vs. sexual Solas stuff again!

Isn't it horrible that I can't romance another character? I try, oh I try... I even make a non-Lavellan, but STILL... maybe if Solas just didn't appear in non-Lavellan games lol

I can't either, I have a Trevelyan who's trying to romance Cullen, but whenever I play her I get to the Hinterlands, the music kicks in and I feel all nostalgic, I miss my Lavellan and feel wrong playing anything else...it's so weird..

[Avejajed]

The Cullen romance is soothing to play after such emotional despair with Solas.

[Moondreamer01]

The Cullen romance is so fluffy. It was my first playthrough but I still need to do any of the DLCs with my Evie. Poor girl is in limbo after I romanced Solas and got stuck in the hellspiral. But I'll push through at some point, if only to see their wedding. will do my heart some good after Solas.

 

Edit : Top of the page. Errr... have Solas' very kissable lips (Spoilered for size)

 

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Source : http://brynhallavell...nanmore-couldnt

 

[Ajna]

I might be able to do it one day..before I die at least.

[AutumnOracle]

To be clear, he explained everything in 15 seconds. The rest was

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just taking the arm and going "Lol bye!".

 

To be clear I am now wondering why I ever took a break from this thread.  I loves the lores.  OMGosh.  I mean...productivy and all is good...but the lores...

[Moondreamer01]

To be clear I am now wondering why I ever took a break from this thread.  I loves the lores.  OMGosh.  I mean...productivy and all is good...but the lores...

Productivity has gone out the window for me since Tuesday. The emotional energy hasn't gone down a bit since I played. I need people to talk with about ALL THE THINGS!

 

Edit : It's bad enough that now, every time I see the word "unique" in a work document or a news article I can only hear it in my mind in Solas' voice. I'm gone so, so very deep into the hellspiral...

[DarthEmpress]

I just can't get behind Cullen's romance.  It's so boring next to Solas' :/  I guess I love angst/guy-playing-hard-to-get over fluff.

[drake2511]

I might be able to do it one day..before I die at least.

 

That's what I keep saying to myself. I fear I may have friend-zoned Cullen, after all this time. 

[Cee]

Another thing I find particularly sad:

 

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Solas takes the entire blame for what happened to the Elvhen, he shoulders it all, when in my view he shouldn't. As far as we know, it wasn't Solas's fault that the Evanuris were slave-owning, warmongering murderers fighting with other powerful factions as ordinary elves were caught in the crossfire or used as fodder. It wasn't his fault that Mythal was murdered either (according to Abelas anyway). In the end, he was one guy lumbered with a really crappy lose/lose decision - act, and cause the deaths of millions and the probable end of civilisation as he knew it; or don't act, and by inaction cause a slightly slower death of millions and the probable end of civilisation as he knew it (and that's not even taking into account whatever new horror the Evanuris were apparently planning). Once Mythal was taken out, the decision rested entirely on him - and honestly I can't see his guilt being the lesser if he'd chosen not to act instead.

 

Clearly (by his 'action is not inherently superior to inaction' convo with a low-approval Inquisitor) he comes to regret his decision, though not enough to choose inaction when faced with a similar choice again. And I do believe that we will learn that the choice is actually similar - a burning (probable) death by veilfire, or a slower (definite) lingering death from Blight. We know that Blight is in the lyrium, we know it's in the soil, therefore infecting the lowest part of the foodchain. We know dragons carry blight (though interestingly can seem to stem its spread in their own bodies - does killing dragons somehow make blight spread faster??), so it exists at the top of the food chain too. Thedas is dying a slow death I think, and Solas doesn't see a third way, but perhaps hopes that the Inquisitor can find one?

 

I do love the parallels between his story and the Inquisitor's - obviously the stakes are higher and the scale larger for Solas, but still. The Inquisitor is seen as a divine figure and can can either embrace that (like the Evanuris) or reject it (like Solas). The Inquisitor has to make decisions (alone, ultimately) that result in the deaths of good people along with bad regardless - Ser Barris and other decent people die if you don't do the Templar quest, reasonable  mages are killed if you do. The Inquisitor's goal throughout DAI is to stop a being who declares himself a god, Solas locked away those who declared the same of themselves; quizzy goes from 'hero' to 'threat'  very quickly after Corypheus's demise, Solas goes from someone waging a 'noble struggle' to being the villain of what remains of the culture he tried to save. They both know what it's like for their 'story' to get away from them. Then of course there's the mage quest, where the Inquisitor 'rights' a 'wrong' world, much as Solas is seeking to do ..

 

Sorry, I do realise all this will have been said before, and better than I'm saying it, but damn. Trespasser has made me love the base game even more because of all this

 

I have no likes, but I've also been going back and thinking about the whole game.
 

[Oswin]

 

Why would you attack and tear down one of the few companies who work so hard to give voices to groups of people who don't always identify as straight? Why would you force someone into being what you want? Into feeling how you feel? Isn't that what they work so hard to prevent? They fight against being stuck in this box yet force others into another box, just one shaped different.

 

That reason is their curse somewhat. Because they are more likely to include different sexualities, people think they have a better chance of arguing their's into the game. There's a lot of self-entitlement within gaming fans. Not one damn day goes by where someone doesn't post on the Playstation forums I use about how Sony aren't catering to their specific needs and they'll take their business to Xbox if Sony doesn't unban them or add some feature only they care about. Eugh. 

I love that they include characters that are LBGTQ, but I don't want them to write characters just to fit certain labels. Tumblr frequently takes the ****** with this subject. I swear they bring out a new label each week. So everyone can be a special snowflake!

 

No.

 

And when it comes to Solas? His sexuality is the last thing I'm worried about. Seriously. There's a little bit more to his character than whether or not he like 'teh sex the ladies. If whether they banged or not is all you are taking away from this situation, then you are doing it very VERY wrong.

 

 

I misread the dialouge you had:

 

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I actually picked the 'make the world better' and that I'd keep on trying if I got it wrong. Still to blame, and arguably MORE to blame.

THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT, SOLAS. THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT AT ALL.

 

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I think I picked that for my male Lavellan, although I can't remember the response.

 

Back then I thought it was lovely, how he smiles at your optimism over helping the world and showing him that you are all right. 

Ruined now.

It's now the smile that says you have reassured him that he should go ahead with his plan of destroying the world, and you. 

DAMN IT, SOLAS. Y U DO DIS!?

[Moondreamer01]

Can I just say how fricking great the new Dread Wolf theme is? Both ominous and sad, it captures Solas perfectly. And using it again in the final fight theme, with the added "We'll fight for/against (depending on player's choice)" you rythm of the music. It's brilliant.