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[BoscoBread]

@Oswin

 

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Same...but I actually agreed with Bann Teagan from the start. Of course he's going to be pissed if there is a large, powerful military force that is deeply entrenched with an alliance with Orlais SITTING IN HIS BORDERS. He should want you to leave or he would be a **** leader for his people.  My intent was to disband them all along because they did their job. There is no reason for it to stick around. So when I found out about the spies and corruption, I was like...yeah. It's time to go.

 

I want a battle though.  So if I ever remake my more Andrastian Solas friendly Trevelyan..who would keep the INquisition - there better be some glorious battle for her.  My beautiful lady knight!

[Moondreamer01]

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I thought I found a codex in the Deep Roads about the Dwarves vs Ancient Elves during Trespasser but I can't remember what it was called or where abouts in my codex I will find it. I'm sure I didn't dream it... I think it was part of the series of journal notes written by the Elf who is with the Qunari. 

I should really see if I can find it

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Oh good, I'm not the only person who remembers that. I looked through the wiki, but didn't find it. I thought it was in the deep road too. I'd be ever grateful if someone could find it, as I'm at work and can't spend a ton of time looking.

[Mims]

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Abelas and his gang will most likely be serving the DW, if they're not dead.

 

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Probably! But, Abelas serves Mythal. Its very possible he could know what her plans are, and would only be serving Fen'Harel until those have been completed. 

Also wouldn't be the first time an ancient elf betrayed Solas in favor of the mortal world. 

[Solas]

^ out of likes!

[AutumnOracle]

All I can say is, I ain't gettin' involved in that ace vs. sexual Solas stuff again! 

 

Isn't it horrible that I can't romance another character?  I try, oh I try... I even make a non-Lavellan, but STILL... maybe if Solas just didn't appear in non-Lavellan games lol

 

Even when I'm romancing Cullen on my Trevalyn I still side-eye Solas.  I imagine she's thinking if I had the opportunity it would be you and me.  I mean....I love Cullen...totally....but if you were open to humans....stop looking at me like that or I'll need to find a way to stop being human!!

[BoscoBread]

This what all of you are doing to my dreams Abelas(rude)

 

[Illyria]

This what all of you are doing to my dreams Abelas(rude)

 

 

Ir abelas tel'abelas.

[caridounette]

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Im glad my Lavellan is finally done with the Inquisition. She did her best to help all around, elves/good chantry folks/mages and whatnot. Pretty satisfied that she gets to focus on Solas. Thats what I saw her doing since the end of game.

 

Im not sure how much sense it will make for any of my other Inquisitors. Solas would probably have turned into Cory 2.0 in their eyes, maybe but for the elven ones who could consider spending their life trying to convince him of things he already knows but choses to ignore. Lots of folks get killed for less in this game...

 

So my big question right now is what can Lavellan do to turn the tide. We already got things set on the attachment/love front. We showed a few times (as he say himself) that modern elves and modern Thedas dont suck that bad (specially when considering how things were when the 'elven gods' were around. Power corrupts no matter the race or the time).

 

So what does it take now to tip the balance? Cant jsut start going around killing each others agents. Sounds pointless.

 

Im wonderign we could find a way to pull the Veil away slowly so ppl have time to adapt (like over a few hundred years). Instead of some cataclysm or time-rewinding brutal mechanism. Wouldnt that be a win-win situation plus gets the universe back 'how it was sopposed to be' ?

[AutumnOracle]

 

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I enabled my inner masochist by re-watching the main game romance scenes and there are many lines that have completely changed their meaning for me, including the Well question, but also these:

 

(about the Templars) "They have flaws but I try to understand them. You cannot change anything without understanding."

 

"It seems you hold the key to our salvation."

 

"You change... everything."

 

"Most people act with so little understanding of the world." 

 

"It would be kinder in the long run." (I know I'm reposting this one, but it still makes me shudder.)

 

"I joined the Inquisition to save the world. Regardless of who 'my people' are, this was the best way to help them."

 

"The Temple of Mythal was extraordinary. In all my journeys, I never dreamed of finding anything like it." (What does he mean by this? Hasn't he been to one of Mythal's temples? Or was this one built after the Veil was created, thus making it surprising that something so elvenly majestic would survive?)

 

"In all Thedas, I never expected to find someone who could draw my attention from the Fade."

 

So basically, the entire romance has changed its meaning for me. There's also this amazing banter:

 

 

 

It's incredible, I expected the revelation of Fen'Harel's goal to be shocking, but I thought I had understood his lines in the game. Now I shudder. All. The. Time. 

 

 

Edit: I'm very sorry, somehow my closing spoiler tag and the last few lines I typed mysteriously disappeared.

 

Edit: Top dawg Fen'Harel. On a horse! Image from Solas-an.

 

 

Can we take this thought a little further?

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If that line from Cole that went something like: He didn't want to take physical form but she made him and he burned her off his face was Solas that line in the romance is even BIGGER.  IT would mean that he never wanted to leave the 'fade' even as a spirit before the veil.  His entire existence was a longing to be back where he came from.  Until her.  She changed everything in such a bigger way for him.  She was the first thing EVER that meant more than the Fade.  IF this is him and it's true.  How could we not redeem him.  We are the most awesome thing in his world ever.

 

BOOM!  Team Optimism Banner flying high right now!!

[Oswin]

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Oh good, I'm not the only person who remembers that. I looked through the wiki, but didn't find it. I thought it was in the deep road too. I'd be ever grateful if someone could find it, as I'm at work and can't spend a ton of time looking.

 

I think I have found it.

 

I'll type out the bit that mentioned the Dwarves.

 

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These statues are older than anything I saw in my days with the clan. The area's Dwarven, though. What were the ancient elves doing down here? Mining? Where were the dwarves? Easier to have them mine it. Not a trading post. You don't go into a friend's home. knock over their Gods, and put up your own.

 

War? I don't remember any legends about our people fighting the dwarves. Though I remember my keeper telling a story about how the Dwarves fear the sun because of Elgar'nan's fire. A metaphor for the elves of Arlathan driving the Dwarves underground?

 

I wonder if this is more in reference to Mythal attacking and mining the Titans than Dwarves. But then, the ancient elves did make contact with the Dwarves so they were definitely around at that point. I wonder what the Elgar'nan's fire bit is all about. He was supposedly the first of the 'Gods', right? Ruled alongside Mythal. So if Mythal took down the Titans, maybe he really did have something to do with the Dwarves?

 

[AutumnOracle]

On the next protagonist;

 

Apparently bioware has "considered" the possibility of using two protagonists at some point. Perhaps DA4 will be the time to try it out. 

 

Their (Laidlaw) comment on it: As to multiple protagonists? Absolutely fascinating and, yes, we have discussed it some. There are a lot of challenges in terms of helping the player identify with more than one created character, but it's a long way from impossible. I thought, for example, that the weaving stories of the GTA V protagonists created a really interesting flow in the story and the gameplay. I agree that betraying yourself would be super cool, so long as "the player" version of you didn't end up feeling like a chump. 

 

[AutumnOracle]

I'm still catching up on 100+ pages of tasty spoilers (so apologies if this has already come up) but I'm kicking myself a bit for this decision:

 

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Shitshitshitshitshiiiit.  Was making Cole human a mistake?  Or is this meant to balance the larger picture, so Cole becomes a factor pushing Solas away from his current path no matter which choice you made?   As a spirit, Cole can work to remind him who he is.  As a human, he's a valued friend whose new life would be lost in the chaos.

 

Ugh.  I'm still not sure.

 

My thoughts:

 

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I gotta go with Cole's gonna save Solas. I apparently missed second round dialogue in my first playthrough...cause rushing to see Solas and missed this. (I will play again) but this gives me hope that Cole's entire intention at the moment is to help make sure  that we save Solas from himself.

[Avejajed]

I need ur help Solas thread friends:

Help me name a character. Mage human. Kind of hot in a careless, broody way. Male. Go!

[Onecrazymonkey1]

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Does anyone wonder if we will see the dreamer Feynriel (from DA2 in case anyone forgot) again seeing as how he could be in Tevinter? He would be one heck of a powerful ally. I can also see Cassandra researching the cure of tranquility to safely apply it to him if you did have him made Tranquil.

[Moondreamer01]

I think I have found it.

 

I'll type out the bit that mentioned the Dwarves.

 

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These statues are older than anything I saw in my days with the clan. The area's Dwarven, though. What were the ancient elves doing down here? Mining? Where were the dwarves? Easier to have them mine it. Not a trading post. You don't go into a friend's home. knock over their Gods, and put up your own.

 

War? I don't remember any legends about our people fighting the dwarves. Though I remember my keeper telling a story about how the Dwarves fear the sun because of Elgar'nan's fire. A metaphor for the elves of Arlathan driving the Dwarves underground?

 

I wonder if this is more in reference to Mythal attacking and mining the Titans than Dwarves. But then, the ancient elves did make contact with the Dwarves so they were definitely around at that point. I wonder what the Elgar'nan's fire bit is all about. He was supposedly the first of the 'Gods', right? Ruled alongside Mythal. So if Mythal took down the Titans, maybe he really did have something to do with the Dwarves?

 

 

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That'S actually not the one I had in mind. I seem to remember something about Spirits (was it spirit?) taking the Earth to take physical form. I'd annoying. It's just at the edge of my memories, but Ic an'T remember where I saw it and so I can't easily search for it.

 

[Mims]

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Does anyone wonder if we will see the dreamer Feynriel (from DA2 in case anyone forgot) again seeing as how he could be in Tevinter? He would be one heck of a powerful ally. I can also see Cassandra researching the cure of tranquility to safely apply it to him if you did have him made Tranquil.

 

Ooh, he'd be an awesome character to see again! 

[Cee]

I have to say I've been dealing with Trespasser and I'm not done emotionally dealing with it, but I feel like it's going to be really good and refreshing in a few years when we get to start over and meet new characters. I'm sure we'll see (obviously) some familiar faces but I can't wait to fall in love with a whole new cast of characters. My favorites from DAI were completely unexpected from what I thought I'd like (I was prepared to murderknife Cass, I couldn't imagine taking her anywhere, and Cole was just...a murdering lunatic.) and I will always love them and treasure them. But I'm so excited to see what else they come up with!

 

I wasn't sure what to think because while I knew who Cass and Varric were, as far as companions, and that Cullen and Leliana were returning (I had never really liked Cullen until DAI and i love Leliana) but I stayed away from a lot of pre-release stuff. I wanted to go in mostly unspoiled. I was unprepared for how much I grew to just love Cassandra's character. Every banter, every cutscene with her,, just got better and better. And then Solas. I talked to him and was instantly fascinated. I hadn't read Asunder until after playing the game, but the game made me love Cole and the book gave me even more Cole feelings.

 

And now here we are.
 

[Cee]

My thoughts:

 

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I gotta go with Cole's gonna save Solas. I apparently missed second round dialogue in my first playthrough...cause rushing to see Solas and missed this. (I will play again) but this gives me hope that Cole's entire intention at the moment is to help make sure  that we save Solas from himself.

 

 

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The fact Cole greatly approves when you pick the one romance dialogue option the game offers you, to everyone else's apparently disapproval, says something.  It's the notion that you're going to find him and save him....though you don't quite know what you're in for just yet.

 

Also this was the Cole banter that totally made me burst into tears.

 

 

I see the traces of hope.

 

Also, if you take the blue option and tell Solas you're going to go after him and stop him, he says "I know", and then does the arm thing similar to Inquisitors of other races, pulls it out and then the "live well" stuff.

 

Romanced Lavellan who chooses to pledge to save him, well, we get feels.

 

[FernRain]

@Avejajed:

 

Brutus.

 

Kidding, that was the name of the grumpy Persian cat we had when I was young.

 

Jesse? Lee?

 

Imshael ..

[Illyria]

I need ur help Solas thread friends:

Help me name a character. Mage human. Kind of hot in a careless, broody way. Male. Go!

Nathaniel.

[Onecrazymonkey1]

Ooh, he'd be an awesome character to see again!

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Yeah I loved the guy, so I've never made him tranquil or send him to the circle but I was trying to think of all the things that could happen to him and I just don't remember. I might have to go back and do a replay but I don't think he can end up dead right? We need someone of his caliber to help with Solas. Also, I'm not sure but can dreamers sense other dreamers in any way? I hope not <.<

[Jeniva]

Did anyone dump Solas....

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When you confront him in Trespasser?

[Illyria]

So much DA negativity on tumblr today.

 

*settles back down into the blanket fort*

[drosophila]

Can we take this thought a little further?

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If that line from Cole that went something like: He didn't want to take physical form but she made him and he burned her off his face was Solas that line in the romance is even BIGGER.  IT would mean that he never wanted to leave the 'fade' even as a spirit before the veil.  His entire existence was a longing to be back where he came from.  Until her.  She changed everything in such a bigger way for him.  She was the first thing EVER that meant more than the Fade.  IF this is him and it's true.  How could we not redeem him.  We are the most awesome thing in his world ever.

 

BOOM!  Team Optimism Banner flying high right now!!

 

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That's one way to look at it. I think Cole's line about Solas burning some woman off his face is not related to Lavellan. It's something that happened in the Arlathan past. It would help if some people who played a male or non-romanced Inq give us feedback: Did Cole say that line in your PT? 

 

My overall interpretation of the romance lines is that he is conflicted and trying to understand our world, but ultimately in his homesickness and regret he fails to see some things.. like how he thinks most people act with little understanding, but ironically he's doing the same. 

 

By drawing his attention from the Fade I think he means she almost turned him away from his mission. He was ready to confess to her at that point, wasn't he?

 

I would love to be able to redeem him. What sucks about Fen'Harel is that you cannot redeem him without being drawn into his vortex of dread and despair. That little video with hated Inquisitor is as much telling as it's funny. You give 0 f***s, he gives 0 f***s. Unless you're meta gaming, in order to connect to him and show him mortals are people too, you have to understand him, get close, and ultimately endure some of his sadness and some feelings of betrayal. There's no easy road with him. 

 

Just more testament to how tough Lavellan is, or any Inq who is friends with him, for that matter.

[drosophila]

Did anyone dump Solas....

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When you confront him in Trespasser?

 

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I tried that option and he responded with feelings! He said something like "As you wish" but there was bitterness and hurt and some anger in his voice. Then he said something about not being what the Dalish think he is, and then the dialogue proceeded as with any befriended Inq.