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[_Lucinia]

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A few of us juggled with the idea of the massive blood sacrifice yesterday. Hope we're wrong though, as it would truly be horrible. Still, it's not impossible that that's his really bad plan and the reason he doesn't want Lavellan to "see what he becomes".

 

Urgh, I'm making myself sad again.

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Crazy thought.  I'm a dummy yes I know.  But what if that's Mythal's plans.  We have no idea what the aftermath of him taking Mythal's power or spirit or whatever.  Flemythal seems so full of vengeance she'd sacrifice anything for her revenge.  Remember what she said, about a reckoning.  We have no idea if she has any control or power over Solas.  Yes that's kind of out there.  Anywho carry on lol.

[_Lucinia]

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Crazy thought.  I'm a dummy yes I know.  But what if that's Mythal's plans.  We have no idea what the aftermath of him taking Mythal's power or spirit or whatever.  Flemythal seems so full of vengeance she'd sacrifice anything for her revenge.  Remember what she said, about a reckoning.  We have no idea if she has any control or power over Solas.  Yes that's kind of out there.  Anywho carry on lol.

Oh wait I just thought of more.

 

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It does seem kinda strange that he was able to get so much going in such a small time frame.  What if this is all Flemythal's doing?  What if this is all the work she's been doing all of these years, and now he's just taking over.

[Suketchi]

Soooo, beat Trespasser a couple days ago. I needed a few days to sort out the feels. I think I have successfully reached a state of mind where I can discuss these events calmly, without the use of five million reaction gifs and caps lock. Yes, *sips tea* perfectly calm.

 

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Remember that thing I said, how my Lavellan would destroy the world for Solas? Well, on the one hand, I'm kicking myself for being so right about his plans. On the other... my sentiments haven't changed really XD

 

...Just to sort things out, get a feel for where everyone's at and all... how does everyone else feel about Solas, after everything? What was your final choice: Attempt to convince Solas the world's worth it, or attempt to stop Solas, even if it means killing him? What are your hopes for our Inquisitor in the next game, or how Solas's part in it could be concluded?

[Moondreamer01]

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Looks like I was wrong... Solas removes the anchor. He doesn't destroy it or let it burn itself out :  

 

 

Translation :

 

@PatrickWeekes Sorry if you’ve already answered this, but did Solas remove Quizzy’s arm or did they cut it off later? What’d he do to it?

@Olessan He removed the Anchor. Your hand was too far gone at that point to save, though.

Still not entirely clear, but it seems like he might have the power of the anchor back.

[Kittn]

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A few of us juggled with the idea of the massive blood sacrifice yesterday. Hope we're wrong though, as it would truly be horrible. Still, it's not impossible that that's his really bad plan and the reason he doesn't want Lavellan to "see what he becomes".

Urgh, I'm making myself sad again.

I don't see how that would be necessary. I wouldn't rule it out, but,

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Coryphelus was going to use the orb to enter the Fade. Just like Solas was going to. When Solas found the orb broken, he went to Flemythal and stole her power. It was something he clearly didn't want to do. But perhaps, it was better than the alternative...

So I think he already has the power he needs. And with control of every working Eluvian (Including that big-arse one he was standing at there at the end. Seriously, you could drive a semi through that thing), he has access to the entire Crossroad. This is a place Morrigan said was very close to the Fade. So he has the place he needs. Now all he needs is the time, the spell, and enough people to make sure nothing gets in the way. I think it's possible he called most, though probably not all, of his agents back to guard and prepare stuff while he works the veil magic. Solas once told us about the Evanuris-brand world-changing spells that took a really long time to cast. Years, even. And he seemed to know just how much time we had left before our world ends. Must be a reason for that, no?

[Jayla]

I tentatively come back to the thread to see how people are doing, and everyone's speaking in spoilers. xD I'm grateful, since I haven't even started Trespasser yet (just started JoH and then I'm done!), I just wanted to point out how funny I found it. But seriously, you guys are the best.

 

Can't wait to discuss stuff with y'all!

[Suketchi]

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Looks like I was wrong... Solas removes the anchor. He doesn't destroy it or let it burn itself out :  

 

 

Translation :

 

@PatrickWeekes Sorry if you’ve already answered this, but did Solas remove Quizzy’s arm or did they cut it off later? What’d he do to it?

@Olessan He removed the Anchor. Your hand was too far gone at that point to save, though.

Still not entirely clear, but it seems like he might have the power of the anchor back.

 

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lol This really makes Cornflakes look bad (not that this hasn't already been established). While Cory's going, 'No! Can't get this thing off! You've soiled it!' Solas is like, '******, please.' *rolls eyes* (or 'glows' eyes, as the case may be...sorry, that was bad XD)

[Sable Rhapsody]

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Looks like I was wrong... Solas removes the anchor. He doesn't destroy it or let it burn itself out :  

 

Translation :

 

@PatrickWeekes Sorry if you’ve already answered this, but did Solas remove Quizzy’s arm or did they cut it off later? What’d he do to it?

@Olessan He removed the Anchor. Your hand was too far gone at that point to save, though.

Still not entirely clear, but it seems like he might have the power of the anchor back.

 

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Well, f***.

 

What quizzy desperately needs against Solas is time.  Time to change his mind.  Time to rally Thedas against him, time to convince the elves who would follow him that he's not doing them any favors.  Him having the Anchor does not help matters.  At least some of the orb's power was bound up in that thing.

 

 

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...Just to sort things out, get a feel for where everyone's at and all... how does everyone else feel about Solas, after everything? What was your final choice: Attempt to convince Solas the world's worth it, or attempt to stop Solas, even if it means killing him? What are your hopes for our Inquisitor in the next game, or how Solas's part in it could be concluded?

 

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As a player, I couldn't be happier with Solas as a character.  I either wanted him to be a badass and worthy villain, or an excellent romance for Lavellan.  I never in a million years dreamed I'd get both, and a chance for quizzy to redeem him to boot!  I mean, I have a few small nitpicks, but currently he's one of my favorite BioWare characters ever.  He inspires so many emotions in me.  And romancing him with my Lavellan lets me showcase one of her best character traits: her unerring ability to empathize and believe in others.

[_Lucinia]

Soooo, beat Trespasser a couple days ago. I needed a few days to sort out the feels. I think I have successfully reached a state of mind where I can discuss these events calmly, without the use of five million reaction gifs and caps lock. Yes, *sips tea* perfectly calm.

 

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Remember that thing I said, how my Lavellan would destroy the world for Solas? Well, on the one hand, I'm kicking myself for being so right about his plans. On the other... my sentiments haven't changed really XD

 

...Just to sort things out, get a feel for where everyone's at and all... how does everyone else feel about Solas, after everything? What was your final choice: Attempt to convince Solas the world's worth it, or attempt to stop Solas, even if it means killing him? What are your hopes for our Inquisitor in the next game, or how Solas's part in it could be concluded?

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I'm kind of still dealing with hellspiral mode.  I'm ok.  But still have way too many feelings about the entire thing.

Mostly I'm just really sad.  Sad that this is what Solas is up to.  Sad about the implications of where that means the series is going in general.  I anticipated it.  Heck we all that this pretty much figured out months ago.  It just breaks my heart.  Kudos to Bioware for making me feel so conflicted.  In a way I wish I could be like the folks that just want to murder knife him, because that would be easier in the long run.  I don't know if the intent is that he's the main antagonist now, but stopping him just has me all over the place.  There's no black or white for me.  So much grey.

Honestly I would help him remove the Veil.  The world doesn't seem to be better off with the way things are.  But at the cost of destroying everyone?  Yeah I can't really be supportive of that.  I'd like it if there was a way to help him that doesn't kill everyone.  But in light of that I chose wanting to help save him from himself.  My Lavellan didn't end the relationship, she told him she was going to save him somehow. 

 

Not a popular choice, and I understand why, but I chose to keep the Inquisition as an Honor Guard for Divine Victoria.  Determined to prove Solas wrong in as many ways as possible.  Part of me goes what if he WANTS the Inquisition to disband because it would make it easier for his plans.  But yeah I see why most people feel it's better to disband it.

[midnight tea]

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Uh... another day of being unable to do much, because DA and its epilogue is still fresh in my mind. It's like a frikking addiction. It will be hard to lay this world aside for a few years and try and occupy the mind with other things...

 

Anyhoooo.... anybody thinks that Solas/Fen'Harel creating the Veil to protect the elves/world somehow smells of environmental theme? DA's world may be set in traditional fantasy setting, but many of its themes and issues are profoundly modern. And there is something there that appears to echo our own struggle in current world: one of quickly depleting our own resources and polluting the planet to sustain our way of life and ever-growing needs.

 

 

I mean, imagine if it happened here - and things went so bad that in our constant search for resources we're about to destroy the Earth. And the only way to stop this is... turning electricity off. Permanently. Like - some mad rebel genius would create the electromagnetic impulse machine that would destroy most electric appliances and prevented others from working.

 

Whoa, can you imagine the chaos? We're so dependent on electricity that it would likely mean an immediate collapse of all developed world.

 

Hehehehe... I can imagine our own equivalent of Dread Wolf, years later, after the Earth itself got a breather and healed somehow, trying to work on a way to turn his invention off "Oh woe is me.... I destroyed our civilization. I got rid of electricity! Worse - I KILLED THE INTERNET!"

 

Yeah Solas... I don't know if I'd forgive you if you killed MY Internet   Damn the world - don't touch my Internet!!!

 

(btw. it would be interesting to see if someone would try and write an AU fanfiction in such post-Apocalyptic environment...)

[Sable Rhapsody]

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lol This really makes Cornflakes look bad (not that this hasn't already been established). While Cory's going, 'No! Can't get this thing off! You've soiled it!' Solas is like, '******, please.' *rolls eyes* (or 'glows' eyes, as the case may be...sorry, that was bad XD)

 

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To be entirely fair to Cory, Solas does say that none but he could have borne the mark and lived.  Cory would've died eventually to the Anchor too.  He might have made it for himself, but he was never its true master.

 

I've always had a pet theory that when Solas first encountered the dying Inquisitor, he tried to remove the Anchor and failed.  Now, I'm almost positive that's what happened.  At the time, quizzy wasn't "real" to him.  If he could have reclaimed the Anchor's power, he probably would have done it then and there.  But he was too weak.  He wouldn't have been able to remove the Anchor either, not until he ate Mythal and became badass again.

[Uirebhiril]

Did anyone see the bit on Patrick's twitter where...

 

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Someone asked if the real reason we can't follow Solas will be revealed later, and Patrick responds with:

 

"I might talk about it on a panel someday. The answer is counterintuitive and weird, but makes sense to me. :)"

 

If he's talking about it on a panel rather than telling us spoilers or that we'll find out at some point, what the heck does that mean? No more game? Also, what would be a counterintuitive and weird reason? Best I can come up with in my "eh, IDGAF" state is that by being wherever the inquisitor might be, they might actually survive or something instead of absolutely dying, but...?

[Cee]

I tentatively come back to the thread to see how people are doing, and everyone's speaking in spoilers. xD I'm grateful, since I haven't even started Trespasser yet (just started JoH and then I'm done!), I just wanted to point out how funny I found it. But seriously, you guys are the best.

 

Can't wait to discuss stuff with y'all!

 

We're just sharing recipes, really.
 

[Sable Rhapsody]

We're just sharing recipes, really.
 

 

For tears and disaster.  Also tiny frilly cakes

[Cee]

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To be entirely fair to Cory, Solas does say that none but he could have borne the mark and lived.  Cory would've died eventually to the Anchor too.  He might have made it for himself, but he was never its true master.

 

I've always had a pet theory that when Solas first encountered the dying Inquisitor, he tried to remove the Anchor and failed.  Now, I'm almost positive that's what happened.  At the time, quizzy wasn't "real" to him.  If he could have reclaimed the Anchor's power, he probably would have done it then and there.  But he was too weak.  He wouldn't have been able to remove the Anchor either, not until he ate Mythal and became badass again.

 

 

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Well, I thought something similar might have happened, and in watching a version of the scene where someone asks "How did you do that?" as a first dialogue response, he says "The same way I prevented it from killing you at Haven. Though I am stronger now."

 

So that was the delay. Then eventually, we have the removal.

 

If he had stayed with her, and told her the truth at Crestwood, I wonder if he would've just...fixed it all the time or done the removal.

 

[Draconaise]

(Kinda DLC spoilery)

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Solas, since he woke up in modern Thedas:

 

 

[midnight tea]

Did anyone see the bit on Patrick's twitter where...

 

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Someone asked if the real reason we can't follow Solas will be revealed later, and Patrick responds with:

 

"I might talk about it on a panel someday. The answer is counterintuitive and weird, but makes sense to me. :)"

 

If he's talking about it on a panel rather than telling us spoilers or that we'll find out at some point, what the heck does that mean? No more game? Also, what would be a counterintuitive and weird reason? Best I can come up with in my "eh, IDGAF" state is that by being wherever the inquisitor might be, they might actually survive or something instead of absolutely dying, but...?

 

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I don't really think it's the end. I think that writers CAN expand on character motivations somewhat and not be afraid of what their company will say about it. Remember how people found out that Solas wanted to first tell Lavellan the truth, but got flustered and went with vallaslin from a relatively small interview?

 

I think it's more a matter of keeping people interested and invested in the story. "You want to know what this character things or what he may do? Well, then... pay attention to what we do or say, attend panels and listen to interviews ;)"

[drosophila]

Soooo, beat Trespasser a couple days ago. I needed a few days to sort out the feels. I think I have successfully reached a state of mind where I can discuss these events calmly, without the use of five million reaction gifs and caps lock. Yes, *sips tea* perfectly calm.

 

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Remember that thing I said, how my Lavellan would destroy the world for Solas? Well, on the one hand, I'm kicking myself for being so right about his plans. On the other... my sentiments haven't changed really XD

 

...Just to sort things out, get a feel for where everyone's at and all... how does everyone else feel about Solas, after everything? What was your final choice: Attempt to convince Solas the world's worth it, or attempt to stop Solas, even if it means killing him? What are your hopes for our Inquisitor in the next game, or how Solas's part in it could be concluded?

 

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My Lavellan is trying to find him and join him, the world be damned. She hopes she doesn't have to betray her own people, but is ready to do so if she must. 

 

I chose to try to change his mind.

 

Then as a player, I'm very conflicted. About a month before DLC came out I posted that the saddest scenario for me was seeing him get to a point where he has to compromise the very moral principles he upholds... And that's exactly what happened, the way I see it. On the one hand I see his admirable personality, and on the other I see his actions I completely disapprove of. So now I just try to distance myself as much as possible from the character and see him as a very interesting character. A very skilled player whose maneuvers can be very entertaining to observe.

[Avejajed]

And I'm ****** lost in the damn vir diratharuwjwhwh place

[Sable Rhapsody]

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Well, I thought something similar might have happened, and in watching a version of the scene where someone asks "How did you do that?" as a first dialogue response, he says "The same way I prevented it from killing you at Haven. Though I am stronger now."

 

So that was the delay. Then eventually, we have the removal.

 

If he had stayed with her, and told her the truth at Crestwood, I wonder if he would've just...fixed it all the time or done the removal.

 

 

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He couldn't have removed it.  They still needed it to stop Cory.  What he might have done is told her the truth, then removed the Anchor after Cory's demise.  Though I still wonder if he would've been powerful enough to do it without Mythal's power.

 

Removing her arm is a side-effect that comes from Solas taking the Anchor.  Just plain chopping off her arm wouldn't have worked, at least according to the Justinia-spirit.

[Moondreamer01]

@kttn

 

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You give me hope again, so thank you for that. Your points are all very well brought, and with those tweets by Patrick Weekes about the anchor, I think Solas has enough power and just needs the time to prepare his spell. Before, I was going with the assumption his only tool (the anchor) had been destroyed.

 

@suketchi

 

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As a player, I'm pumped to see where this go. Solas is extremely well-written and well rounded in my mind and his character-arc is so tragic. It's a bit of storytelling catnip to me

 

As for my Lavellan, it's pretty strange actually. When I came up with her character, I'd already completed one playthrough so I knew who Solas was. So, I made her with a fascination for ruins and the past of Arlathan and a taste for knowledge. A hunger to know the truth behind the myths. I was more than ready to have her disappear into the sunset with Solas and become a villain right alongside him (guys in this thread had already started theorizing about his plans, and I knew they couldn't be good).

 

And then, it happened. through the in-game choices she took wings and... ended up totally different than I imagined. She worked extremely hard to give almost everyone a chance. She would sacrifice for friends, even if it meant nixing an alliance (Bull's quest). She went from a very reluctant figurehead to a competent leader by the end of the main game, and only grew more in that role in the two years prior to Trespasser. She cares about the people she worked so hard to save. She cares about the change she started (about the mages, about the elves of Orlais with Briala). change is slow, but she's behind it all the way. More than anything, I found she had a complete belief in people. She always believe they can be redeemed. Thom Rainier, the wardens... heck, even Florianne was sent to live with the peasants to learn they have worth too, and hopefully change.

 

So when it came to the confrontation with Solas at the end of Trespasser, I knew she would never abeg to follow him, as she could already see his plans were misguided. And also senses he wants, and needs someone to oppose him and show him he is wrong. And so, because she can't stop believing he is redeemable in spite of what he's done and plan to do (else, it would mean her whole world view is wrong!), and because she can't give up on him, she chooses the option to save him from himself.

 

I really like the fact my Lavellan ended up a 100 miles from where she started as a character and managed to surprise me so much.

[Elessara]

Did anyone see the bit on Patrick's twitter where...

 

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Someone asked if the real reason we can't follow Solas will be revealed later, and Patrick responds with:

 

"I might talk about it on a panel someday. The answer is counterintuitive and weird, but makes sense to me. :)"

 

If he's talking about it on a panel rather than telling us spoilers or that we'll find out at some point, what the heck does that mean? No more game? Also, what would be a counterintuitive and weird reason? Best I can come up with in my "eh, IDGAF" state is that by being wherever the inquisitor might be, they might actually survive or something instead of absolutely dying, but...?

 

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A counterintuitive answer I can think of is that they don't let the Inquisitor go with Solas because they don't ever plan to have the Inquisitor show up again and somehow *not* going with Solas makes it easier for them to otherwise dispose of the Inquisitor.  That explanation makes no sense to me (and frankly would make me quite unhappy) but I think it fits the "counterinuitive and weird" categories.

 

[Moondreamer01]

Did anyone see the bit on Patrick's twitter where...

 

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Someone asked if the real reason we can't follow Solas will be revealed later, and Patrick responds with:

 

"I might talk about it on a panel someday. The answer is counterintuitive and weird, but makes sense to me. :)"

 

If he's talking about it on a panel rather than telling us spoilers or that we'll find out at some point, what the heck does that mean? No more game? Also, what would be a counterintuitive and weird reason? Best I can come up with in my "eh, IDGAF" state is that by being wherever the inquisitor might be, they might actually survive or something instead of absolutely dying, but...?

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I think the counterintuitive is actually something some here have thought about already : she can't follow because he needs someone to face him and oppose him. Would it be fair to destroy the world while no one knows and the rest of  Thedas isn't given a chance to fight for its survival? If he thought it fair, it would negate "the right of every free-will being to live". and he might talk about it in a panel, because even a new game wouldn't make it all clear and on the page, so to speak, as it's the kind of thing that's very hard to make clear without more info-dump than would make sense to do. At least, it's the way I took it, but ymmv. 

[Draconaise]

Good ideas~ Some to add:

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We have one advantage over Solas. Maybe only one, but its a big one. This is our world. Our time. Solas might know us, but we know present day Tevinter, and may have a contact there. We know the wardens, and have a contact there. We know the Antivan Crows.

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Wouldn't it be wild if the person-Solas-doesn't-know that our Inquisitor ends up finding is an Antivan Crow? And we get to play one? Yes,please! Who better to infiltrate an inner group than a trained assassin with a dead sexy accent? Ones that operate on rules Solas may be unfamiliar with. If everything he knows comes from the Fade, their unpredictable nature would make it hard for him to detect their purpose. And even if he did, he's as likely to dismiss their purpose as quickly as he did the Wardens. Also, if we're the ones at the wheel, they are guaranteed to be exceptional. Did I mention the accent?

Either way, Antiva! Yanno, I'm beginning to think I have developed unhealthy obsession with a fictional country that we've never even visited in game. Fear not, it doesn't extend to the smell of a tanneries, though. Yuck.

I like the double agent idea. Finding Solas is the first step to stopping him. The second step is to change his mind. But since there are two groups approaching him - those that want to murder him, and those that want to make out with him - I'm still thinking we won't actually be able to prevent what he's started.

Something that he probably already started before he even met us, and we changed everything. But couldn't.

I think the Veil will fall. I figure we deal with Solas after that. If the Evanuris don't get to him first...

I like these ideas.

 

I will also add that

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I think a romanced Lavellan actually might have the biggest advantage over Solas. The guy is full of feels. Solas may know us but we also know him. We know he is genuinely sympathetic toward us. Playing to his sense of decency and compassion could actually manipulate him into making a fatal mistake. Just sayin'... He's not above being emotionally manipulated to some extent. I'd like to set Solas up to fail regardless of whether we succeed in convincing him to change his mind. Basically, Plan A is to convince Solas to not destroy the whole world and Plan B  (already set in motion well before confronting him) is to trap Solas so that if negotiations fail we have lured him into a vulnerable situation by appearing vulnerable and playing to his trust of our good intentions. I wouldn't mind bringing down the Veil, but I'm sure as hell not okay with killing millions of innocent people to do it. If we can't find a "safe" way to do it, I would kill Solas rather than sacrifice countless innocent people. As much as I love him to bits and it would rip my heart out, that's just not cool.