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[Cee]

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I cried. Legitimately cried with all the "BFFs here's my cell" dialogue. I'm a 27 year old adult.   

I fought really hard to keep my expectations for Solas down just so I wasn't bummed if it wasn't everything I wanted. Dorian's friendship I hoped they'd do a good job and they delivered.

 

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I was not sure how much we'd get but the friendship content was just soooooo very well done. I mean, I headcanon them as totally super close and this actually felt like that.

 

My Lavellan has her issues with the Dalish and their sometimes stubborn beliefs, which is also partly due to her loving another girl first, and never having had children. So she definitely understood Dorian because both love their people but feel like they can be better.

 

I must write, yes.

 

[panamakira]

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Yuuuup. I really like that option - I quite like the "Yes. Ironically" for how it ends, but his expression and apparent flurry of emotions that run through him is palpable. 

 

It quite fits my Lavellan as well - all this time she worked on trying to make Solas trust her and open up, yet at the end he failed to do so. So it's not even the fact that he lied to her or didn't tell her the truth that angered her - he broke her trust by not trusting her enough and assuming her reaction or her.

 

This option also likely nails the fundamental problem with Solas: something in the past broke him too much for him to trust people, no matter how much he may want it. I think it lies at the core of his control issues and his determination to realize his plan, but also is what may eventually redeem him: he'd have to re-learn how to trust people.

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Yes it was perfect for my Lavellan too! At first like you I liked the "So he did" response but then angry fit my state of mind better. She essentially pointed out to him how wrong he was to not trust her, in that line Lavellan was most hurt about that and he realizes as much which is why he takes such a long pause. He realized how much pain he cause by manipulating her in that way. It was animated and voiced beautifully!

 

I agree on your assessment of Solas. That fool, as much as he wanted to tell Lavellan, did not risk to trust her and I think that hurts the most. I agree with Lavellan!!

[Sable Rhapsody]

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This option also likely nails the fundamental problem with Solas: something in the past broke him too much for him to trust people, no matter how much he may want it. I think it lies at the core of his control issues and his determination to realize his plan, but also is what may eventually redeem him: he'd have to re-learn how to trust people.

 

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At first, I thought it was Mythal's death that made him snap, but when I think about it, there was probably more to his conflict with the Evanuris than that.  At some point, he tells the Inquisitor that only friends can betray you, and he says it with such bitterness.  That makes me think he suffered some devastating betrayal during his struggle against the Evanuris.  From one of them, who used to be a friend?  From one of his own people?  Hard to say.

 

He's the opposite of my Lavellan in so many ways.  Suspicious where she's trusting, distant where she's warm.  Sadder yet, maybe he used to be like her before something happened to him.

[CapricornSun]

Found this on Tumblr. For the Solavellan feels. (I'm not even sure if this should be under the spoiler tag, but just in case.)

 

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This made me tear up... Solavellan romance dialogue from the base game and Trespasser mixed with music from Say Something by A Great Big World.

 

http://the-disenchan...st/128877794329

[Cee]

 

Oh man~ 

 

Super-duper-spoilery stuff:

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Watching the angry responses Lavellan can give to Solas are pretty awesome. "I would have had you trust me!!". Just look at his face after that! 

 

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Lavellan: "I would have had you trust me!!"

 

Solas:

 

 

 

 

Yeahhh I'm in the same boat. Can't touch it yet. It's funny how I'm able to completely separate my Inquisitors exactly as if they're living in alternative universes. I love them both but Lavellan will always be my girl. 

 

 

 

Wow. That response.

 

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It reminds me of the angry breakup where she yells at him and walks off and he looks so sad. He loves her, he's even trying to justify slightly, he can't really abide her anger that much. It makes him hurt more.

 

[Uirebhiril]

Thinking about possible future interactions with Solas

 

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If he's ever going to be a boss fight, how the heck is that going to work? The guy is powerful to a crazy extent. He can turn someone into stone in a second with seemingly no effort whatsoever. HE DISCONNECTED THE FRIGGING WORLD FROM THE FRIGGING FADE. Likely with a lot of help of some sort but it's been made clear that the Dread Wolf is no slouch when it comes to power.

 

Maybe he'd be weakened somehow before we had to fight him, if we ever did. Also, why does the idea of a Solas boss fight appeal to me so much? I guess part of me wants to see him go at it and get all ruthless on us. Something about that side of him is so strangely appealing. 

 

 

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I wonder if we'll see a great god smack-down. In the end it will be Mythal (in whatever form or fashion) fighting Solas, or something similar to that. Probably not us, not as things stand right now.

[Sifr]

Found this on Tumblr. (I'm not even sure if this should be under the spoiler tag, but just in case.)

 

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This made me tear up... Solavellan romance dialogue from the base game and Trespasser mixed with music from Say Something by A Great Big World.

 

http://the-disenchan...st/128877794329

 

Speaking of songs (and spoiler tagged because not sure if spoilery either);

 

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In my mind, I picture Love Song For A Vampire  by Annie Lennox playing during that scene. Extremely appropriate and tearjerking.

[midnight tea]

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At first, I thought it was Mythal's death that made him snap, but when I think about it, there was probably more to his conflict with the Evanuris than that.  At some point, he tells the Inquisitor that only friends can betray you, and he says it with such bitterness.  That makes me think he suffered some devastating betrayal during his struggle against the Evanuris.  From one of them, who used to be a friend?  From one of his own people?  Hard to say.

 

He's the opposite of my Lavellan in so many ways.  Suspicious where she's trusting, distant where she's warm.  Sadder yet, maybe he used to be like her before something happened to him.

 

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Considering that we don't know if he fought in the war that let Evanuris rise to power, and what is his actual relationship with Forgotten Ones, it's hard to say when exactly he was betrayed - maybe he was let down a few times, and Mythal's death was a straw that broke camel's back? Hard do tell.

 

Though I do find it interesting that Cole mentions that at one point a trap was set for Fen'Harel ("He broke the dreams to stop the old dreams from waking. The wolf chews its leg off to escape the trap") and apparently he had to sacrifice something of himself to escape it. I wonder if it had anything to do with what was mentioned in the codex for Fenrir constellation in base game, where it mentions an old Neromenian tale of a wolf escaping hunters by fleeing into the sky.

 

I was also wondering... if Solas is more "the last of his kind" than we think he is? A few codexes in Trespasser mention the existence of fantastical beings, many of which gone extinct long before elves had fallen.

 

 

Kinda makes me wonder... maybe his story is more tragic than we think it is already? What if he comes from tribe of very old or distinct elves or beings that - caught in the war, or struggle between Evanuris for power - got killed off, or perhaps banished? Thus beginning his journey to rebel and change things. That's a very far-fetched speculation at this point, of course, but I wouldn't be completely surprised if some sad background of that kind would surface one day.

[Sable Rhapsody]

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Kinda makes me wonder... maybe his story is more tragic than we think it is already? What if he comes from tribe of very old or distinct elves or beings that - caught in the war, or struggle between Enavuris for power - got killed off, or perhaps banished? Thus beginning his journey to rebel and change things. That's a very far-fetched speculation at this point, of course, but I wouldn't be completely surprised if some sad background of that kind wouldn't surface one day.

 

Oh sweet Maker.  How can the poor sod get SADDER? 

 

(Of course, every time I ask myself that, either Weekes or one of you manages it  )

[Uirebhiril]

I find it kind of amusing how

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so many have trouble remembering how to spell Evunaris. I keep pronouncing it wrong in my head, so it's nice knowing I'm not alone.

[RynJ]

All of this is making me think back on the very early days of the Solas thread and I remember when someone found out that Chris Priestly on some Facebook group had called Solas the gamechanger of DAI and the character everyone would be talking about. Little did we know just how accurate this statement was! We had our guesses, but none were to the level of the truth!

 

Also, I always seem to fall in for these kinds of characters. The problematic favorite with the incredibly grey morality and somewhat villainous elements that it seems like half of fans hate. The kicker? There's no way I could have known Solas would turn out to be that kind of character x 1000. I decided I was on his team the moment we had one screenshot of him! 'Tis fate. I can't decide if it's a wonderful or terrible fate, but it's fate nonetheless. 

[Caddius]

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Considering that we don't know if he fought in the war that let Enavuris rise to power, and what is his actual relationship with Forgotten Ones, it's hard to say when exactly he was betrayed - maybe he was let down a few times, and Mythl's death was a straw that boke camel's back? Hard do tell.

 

Though I do find it interesting that Cole mentions that at one point a trap was set for Fen'Harel ("He broke the dreams to stop the old dreams from waking. The wolf chews its leg off to escape the trap") and apparently he had to sacrifice something of himself to escape it. I wonder if it had anything to do with what was mentioned in the codex for Fenrir constellation in base game, where it mentions an old Neromenian tale of a wolf escaping hunters by fleeing into the sky.

 

I was also wondering... if Solas is more "the last of his kind" than we think he is? A few codexes in Trespasser mention the existence of fantastical beings, many of which gone extinct long before elves had fallen.

 

 

Kinda makes me wonder... maybe his story is more tragic than we think it is already? What if he comes from tribe of very old or distinct elves or beings that - caught in the war, or struggle between Enavuris for power - got killed off, or perhaps banished? Thus beginning his journey to rebel and change things. That's a very far-fetched speculation at this point, of course, but I wouldn't be completely surprised if some sad background of that kind wouldn't surface one day.

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That comment of Cole's is very, very intriguing.
Old Dreams? The old Fade and the way things were set up?

Were the Old Dreams the Sun/Blight, and he harmed himself and his people to seal them away (the Veil)?

What fantastical creatures? I'd go check myself, but I don't have the game at my disposal at the moment.

Solas was definitely in a war, going off his comments with Blackwall. And I could see him having been a soldier in the Big War, but maybe not as a general under the Evanuris. Either that, or he was just chilling as a mostly spirit elf in the heavens until he noticed the suffering of the slaves and came down to kick some ass.

[CapricornSun]

Speaking of songs (and spoiler tagged because not sure if spoilery either);

 

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In my mind, I picture Love Song For A Vampire  by Annie Lennox playing during that scene. Extremely appropriate and tearjerking.

 

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Oh god, I just finished listening to it. That song is perfect!

[Sable Rhapsody]

I find it kind of amusing how

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so many have trouble remembering how to spell Evunaris. I keep pronouncing it wrong in my head, so it's nice knowing I'm not alone.

 

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I just imagine Solas saying it to pronounce it right.  

 

"Evanuris" in that delicious Welsh.  Mmmmm

[Shari'El]

 

Oh man~ 

 

Super-duper-spoilery stuff:

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Watching the angry responses Lavellan can give to Solas are pretty awesome. "I would have had you trust me!!". Just look at his face after that! 

 

LINK TO VIDEO

 

Lavellan: "I would have had you trust me!!"

 

Solas:

 

 

 

By the way...

Regarding that video...

 

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In my playthrough I picked the teary eyed one, after he says "May the Dread Wolf Take You", and she answered "And so he did".

And then, well, he answered "I did not. I would not lay with you under false pretenses."

So. No sex. Like, lots of headcanons were ruined. I haven't decided throughout the playthrough if they did the deed or did not, so I wasn't bothered (though I kind of want to go back and choose another option, I didn't think "ironically yes" would lead to that dialogue, made me feel silly) but it does contradict what Weekes said about the romance.

We can't trust the writers by 100% since what they say (in tweets about feelings, behind the scenes, etc.?) may be just headcanon until proven otherwise

(I am a bit exaggerating of course, I just hope this little mess up doesn't apply to other things we've been told)

[BoscoBread]

Some sweet tunes collected by Giton for Apocalypse Boyfriend - http://8tracks.com/m...lypse-boyfriend

 

I think they embody him perfectly. 

[Sifr]

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Oh god, I just finished listening to it. That song is perfect!

 

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Even though I don't listen to Annie Lennox at all, that song, Gary Oldman and that I'm a complete and utter sap, are why I have such a soft spot for the '92 film version of Dracula.

 

Powerful ancient characters with starcrossed mortal lovers need bittersweet songs as their theme, it's like the law or something?

[Sable Rhapsody]

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In my playthrough I picked the teary eyed one, after he says "May the Dread Wolf Take You", and she answered "And so he did".

And then, well, he answered "I did not. I would not lay with you under false pretenses."

So. No sex. Like, lots of headcanons were ruined. I haven't decided throughout the playthrough if they did the deed or did not, so I wasn't bothered (though I kind of want to go back and choose another option, I didn't think "ironically yes" would lead to that dialogue, made me feel silly) but it does contradict what Weekes said about the romance.

We can't trust the writers by 100% since what they say (in tweets about feelings, behind the scenes, etc.?) may be just headcanon until proven otherwise

(I am a bit exaggerating of course, I just hope this little mess up doesn't apply to other things we've been told)

 

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To clarify:  No, it doesn't.  According to Weekes on twitter, it's still up to the player whether they did the do.

 

If you think they DID have sex, the line means that he didn't "take" her as Fen'Harel just to have some fun.  He slept with her as Solas, because he genuinely loved her.  If you think they DIDN'T have sex, the line is him saying so.  I agree that it's a little awkwardly worded, but the intent is NOT to make it canonical whether they slept together or not.

[midnight tea]

By the way...

Regarding that video...

 

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In my playthrough I picked the teary eyed one, after he says "May the Dread Wolf Take You", and she answered "And so he did".

And then, well, he answered "I did not. I would not lay with you under false pretenses."

So. No sex. Like, lots of headcanons were ruined. I haven't decided throughout the playthrough if they did the deed or did not, so I wasn't bothered (though I kind of want to go back and choose another option, I didn't think "ironically yes" would lead to that dialogue, made me feel silly) but it does contradict what Weekes said about the romance.

We can't trust the writers by 100% since what they say (in tweets about feelings, behind the scenes, etc.?) may be just headcanon until proven otherwise

(I am a bit exaggerating of course, I just hope this little mess up doesn't apply to other things we've been told)

 

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Lol, think about it - why would Lavellan say that he DID and then he responded that he didn't?

 

It makes little sense, unless you accept that Lavellan was delusional and just imagined sleeping with him (in that case - would that be a meta-comment directed to fans? I don't think Bioware is THAT trollish).

 

It also makes little sense for him to suddenly steer the conversation into this area if she didn't mean it as a rather obvious pun.

 

The sentence is most logical/least clunky in a sense that he denies that the relationship was fake. He didn't 'take her' as Dread Wolf - the crafted persona remembered by Dalish as the deceiver. He began the relationship and eventually slept with her, because he genuinely loved her.

[_Lucinia]

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Even though I don't listen to Annie Lennox at all, that song, Gary Oldman and that I'm a complete and utter sap, are why I have such a soft spot for the '92 film version of Dracula.

 

Powerful ancient characters with starcrossed mortal lovers need bittersweet songs as their theme, it's like the law or something?

I was 12 the first time I saw that movie way back in '92.  It's still one of my favorites.  (Also a complete and utter sap, shhhhh don't tell anyone) 

[Shari'El]

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To clarify:  No, it doesn't.  According to Weekes on twitter, it's still up to the player whether they did the do.

 

If you think they DID have sex, the line means that he didn't "take" her as Fen'Harel just to have some fun.  He slept with her as Solas, because he genuinely loved her.  If you think they DIDN'T have sex, the line is him saying so.  I agree that it's a little awkwardly worded, but the intent is NOT to make it canonical whether they slept together or not.

 

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Lol, think about it - why would Lavellan say that he DID and then he responded that he didn't?

 

It makes no sense, unless you accept that Lavellan was delusional and just imagined sleeping with him (in that case - would that be a meta-comment directed to fans? I don't think Bioware is THAT trollish).

 

It also makes little sense for him to suddenly steer the conversation into this area if she didn't mean it as a rather obvious pun.

 

The sentence is most logical in a sense that he denies that he was with her under false pretenses. He didn't 'take her' as Dread Wolf - the fake persona remembered by Dalish as the deceiver. He began the relationship and eventually slept with her, because he genuinely loved her.

 

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I see then, well, I just took it as is because of the "but you lied to me" she said afterwards, a "but" after a sentence always makes me feel like the person agrees "but something something", the choice of words kind of threw me off .

So by that she either got it (what he meant, that he laid with her as Solas) or she agrees with him ("well yeah, we didn't have sex but I felt the need to refer to the saying and made a pun").

So yeah, weird wording. Maybe they shouldn't have addressed it at all, maybe they did just for the silly pun >_>.

[Draconaise]

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Random thought: what if DA:4 starts you as a spirit PC who exists in the Fade, on the other side of the Veil?
 

But guys, what I actually want is for Solas to be the main character in DA4 and you get to play as him and sasstermind your way around all the Eluvians and decide for yourself how to bring down the Veil and if you should. Sigh.

[Sifr]

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Lol, think about it - why would Lavellan say that he DID and then he responded that he didn't?

 

It makes little sense, unless you accept that Lavellan was delusional and just imagined sleeping with him (in that case - would that be a meta-comment directed to fans? I don't think Bioware is THAT trollish).

 

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Or like their first kiss, it was a tryst in the Fade, meaning they technically  both slept together and didn't  sleep together at the exact same time...

 

But I doubt that's the case, since Solas seemed a little embarrassed about even making out in the Fade.

 

[Onecrazymonkey1]

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I see then, well, I just took it as is because of the "but you lied to me" she said afterwards, a "but" after a sentence always makes me feel like the person agrees "but something something", the choice of words kind of threw me off .

So by that she either got it (what he meant, that he laid with her as Solas) or she agrees with him ("well yeah, we didn't have sex but I felt the need to refer to the saying and made a pun").

So yeah, weird wording. Maybe they shouldn't have addressed it at all, maybe they did just for the silly pun >_>.

 

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I feel that she could also mean that she was taken by him as in he took her heart. I like to headcanon that they were intimate but the line can be beautiful for both ways if you think about it.

[Wynele]

By the way...

Regarding that video...

 

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In my playthrough I picked the teary eyed one, after he says "May the Dread Wolf Take You", and she answered "And so he did".

And then, well, he answered "I did not. I would not lay with you under false pretenses."

So. No sex. Like, lots of headcanons were ruined. I haven't decided throughout the playthrough if they did the deed or did not, so I wasn't bothered (though I kind of want to go back and choose another option, I didn't think "ironically yes" would lead to that dialogue, made me feel silly) but it does contradict what Weekes said about the romance.

We can't trust the writers by 100% since what they say (in tweets about feelings, behind the scenes, etc.?) may be just headcanon until proven otherwise

(I am a bit exaggerating of course, I just hope this little mess up doesn't apply to other things we've been told)

 

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I feel it could be taken either way...  So, my headcanon remains.  They slept together.  My interp of those lines are...that he's telling her that no, he wasn't manipulating her.  He slept with her because he loved her.  Not to further his plans.  Besides, it seems strange to me for my Lavellan to tearfully imply they had sex only for Solas to deny it.  

 

So, yeah.. I stick by the "it's up to the player"  about any deed doing.