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[S.W.]

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Dagna or an Artificer Inquisitor eventually builds a clockwork prosthetic arm, which can either double or easily be swapped out for a crossbow, knife-launcher or a bee-shooter. The chainsaw attachment is sadly still a long ways from leaving the drawing board...

 

This is my favourite new headcanon.

 

In the ending slide where the Inquisitor

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goes off with Sera and the Red Jennies, you see a picture of the Inquisitor with a crossbow attachment to her arm. So yes, this is almost pretty much canon I imagine however you Inquisiton ends, Dagna would be able to whip some selections of prosthetic attachments up.

 

Dorian-Lavellan BFF headcanon canon.

 

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I'm pretty much convinced that at some point after my mage Trev run w/Sera I have to make someone for Cassandra. She's too adorable and wonderful a person. I thought maybe I would do a Dorian romance but the friendship thing was just too sweet that I'm not sure. Plus, Cassandra just drew me even more.

 

 

I actually prefer Dorian as a BFF than a romance partner. Partially because of Adoribull, and partially because a lot of the romance is Dorian struggling to overcome the barriers he's imposed on himself and has had imposed on him, and the Inquisitor going 'ssshh babes, it's ok' - it's super sweet in its back-and-forth, but has a lot of arguments in comparison to the unrestrained sweetness of Dorian as a friend saying, you might honestly be my only true friend, I love you so much.

 

Some sweet tunes collected by Giton for Apocalypse Boyfriend - http://8tracks.com/m...lypse-boyfriend

 

I think they embody him perfectly. 

 

I love this mix . Makes me wish I was half decent at putting mixes together.

 

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Random thought: what if DA:4 starts you as a spirit PC who exists in the Fade, on the other side of the Veil?
 

But guys, what I actually want is for Solas to be the main character in DA4 and you get to play as him and sasstermind your way around all the Eluvians and decide for yourself how to bring down the Veil and if you should. Sigh.

 

Honestly, I wish BioWare experimented with RPGs where you play a set character a little more.

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I think Solas is honestly too sad and complicated to play out as a villain PC, definitely wouldn't be many laughs in that game - but I definitely like the concept of playing on a particular 'side'. Because of the variety of views a customisable PC may have, you're limited by working in either a seemingly 'neutral' organisation, or being your own agent. DA4 couldn't be about an elf in Fen'Harel's network of spies, for instance - where you decide whether to help Solas, or become a double agent for the Inquisition.

[deliriumcrow]

Actually, speaking of little things we've noticed in Trespasser;

 

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Anyone else manage to find the secret way into the gold vault at the Island Temple? I went back and used the upgraded mark to explode the two gaatlok barrels at the back of the island and there's a cave that leads directly to the vault, which lets you loot the entire gold pile.

 

Also, Solas and lore related, several of the banners in the Island Temple are the same ones that are present in Skyhold when we move in.

 

While they could have reused the texture, I like to think that it's because Skyhold was another site sacred to the Ancient Elves. The faded swirling symbol on the banner's heraldry also seems to appear on the bandolier adorning Solas' armour, if you look carefully.

 

That combined with how Skyhold's original elven name translates to "The place where the Sky was held back", I've been wondering whether this might mean that it was possibly the site where Solas erected the Veil in the first place?

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Is that the gold pile with the floating cup? I kinda wanted that. Looked like it would stay upright no matter how much of Bull's alcohol you had. To forget the pain of Solas's departure. Again.

 

That explanation of Skyhold and its tapestries makes some sense. There is that ancient arrow on the roof, and there are all sorts of comments about "something big"-- Harritt in the armory, and Gatsi (?) Writing about the decaying stonework in the dungeons. He said he had never seen the like but for where something huge and destructive happened. Like severing the world from itself. 

 

And turning the world itself Tranquil.

[Elessara]

I can't seem to boot up DAI and finish my happily ever after playthrough with my Cullenite Trevelyan. Everytime I load it, I end up going back to my Tiger Festival save. Doom. I'm not ready for this to be over. Which reminds me, about the tapestry mentioned in previous posts:

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I don't see any trespasser tiles either. By some miracle, everything else has recorded properly for Tiger. I have one blank tile, but when I click on it, it has 3 hidden options and the tiles about Sutherland, so I dunno what the others are, but probably not Trespasser.

Which makes me concerned. Because the last save is an autosave before the final mirror. If you click continue after the credits roll, that's where it drops you. From there the only thing you can do is play through the last bits, where you are able to alter your decisions. But since there's no indication that those decisions even got recorded anywhere, how do we know which ones stuck? How do we know they stuck at all?

It just gives me a horrible, sinking feeling when I think about it. Especially with some of the tweets Weekes made that have been brought up: talking about things on a panel in the future instead of now, and him unable to promise a future game. Those don't have to mean anything in particular, but now I'm worried that the choices in the end weren't actually recorded because they're just that uncertain there will even be a next game. It makes me sad. And irritated, because I know that we aren't just talking about a BioWare game. We're talking about a BioWare game with a giant arse EA logo on it. They make the decisions when it comes to this, and they aren't exactly known for making good ones.

Ugh. Now I'ma fret until we get a teaser trailer for DA4. More Doom.

 

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I wouldn't panic about Trespasser not being in the Keep yet.  They didn't add DAI itself for awhile.

 

If they were planning on another game they would have started already with pre-production writing and storyboards I think.  And given the success of DAI I'm not sure how they could *not* make another game.  DA2 was much less successful (I believe) - it certainly didn't win as many awards and they still made DAI.

 

[Elessara]

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Remember going to the opera with Josephine?  That look on Lavellan's face was hysterical!  As nervous as I was when I loaded up the DLC for the first time, the opera thing and finding out that Varric was made viscount really made me laugh and relaxed me.  They probably did that on purpose to make the feels at the end even more intense  =p

 

At any rate, remember what Varric said about Weisshaupt - if Hawke is alive in your playthrough that is.  How it was a special kind of mess that only happens when Hawke shows up and then the ending slide mentions that Hawke helps Varric with Kirkwall.  I'm *really* curious what happened in Weisshaupt and obviously Hawke survived it but still ... really curious.

 

[Alyka]

Ask and you shall receive 8D

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You're awesome! That is exactly what I was talking about. Thank you very much!

[Miss This or That]

I think I finally know what my Lavellan would have told Solas.

 

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"You gave this world four years, though even slaves give it their entire life."

 

One sentence, SO much information, emotion and truth in it. I think it would have stunned and shocked Solas on more than one level. 

 

It tells him that even slaves, people without freedom or perspective in their life, stay in this world for better or for worse. Those who he claims to pity, who he thinks deserve some final moments of peace give this world more credit than he does. And they could very well end their lives. But they don't. 

 

It also shows how much it hurts Lavellan to know that he thinks that way. Even slaves who have every right to hate this world do not think that way. She does what he does with the entirety of Thedas - she dehumanises him. That must burn quite a bit.

[S.W.]

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Remember going to the opera with Josephine?  That look on Lavellan's face was hysterical!  As nervous as I was when I loaded up the DLC for the first time, the opera thing and finding out that Varric was made viscount really made me laugh and relaxed me.  They probably did that on purpose to make the feels at the end even more intense  =p

 

At any rate, remember what Varric said about Weisshaupt - if Hawke is alive in your playthrough that is.  How it was a special kind of mess that only happens when Hawke shows up and then the ending slide mentions that Hawke helps Varric with Kirkwall.  I'm *really* curious what happened in Weisshaupt and obviously Hawke survived it but still ... really curious.

 

 

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I spent the first hour taking my time, chatting to people, and had the widest grin on my face through all of it - the interactions were all so funny, sweet, and lovely. I just completely fell in love with the cast again.

 

Definitely disarmed me for the inevitable heartbreak later.

[Abelis]

Did anyone else get caught off-guard by just how

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honest he was? I was expecting much more vagueness about his plans/his identity/his past. Sure, he doesn't give specifics about how he'll execute his plan, but he explains in extreme clarity what its outcome would be.

The unexpectedness of it really worked for me.

It was so chilling to watch him switch from 100% evasive to "I'm not sharing every detail but here's what I'm doing." That's the kind of switch that happens when someone knows they can't be stopped (or when they want to be stopped, some small part of me hopes).

Plus, hearing Cole allude to the fact that Solas didn't see people as real is one thing... but hearing it from his mouth makes it harder for me to downplay. It isn't even his "walking among tranquil" line that really drives it home for me. It's the part where he talks about wanting peace/freedom before the end, because he's not a monster (lol). The only way it makes sense for him to follow that up with "not a monster" is if he views the people of the world as something closer to cattle, or at best favored pets; i.e. "putting them down is sad, but at least I'm doing it humanely."

And I think he's still at that point in Trespasser, with the exception of the Inquisitor. It's like Cole says, "and it means everyone could be real." He's not on board for everyone being real. Not yet, anyway.

But he's close?

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I got the feeling he is very close and he is in a great struggle within him..But he needs a heavy push towards it. He feels he has to go through with his plan as an atonement for his mistakes, but he 'cries' for help out of this in various ways. Cole says that after he will be through with his plan, he will need to be reminded of who he is. He is losing himself, he knows it and wants to be proven wrong. Being so honest, and seeing/hearing the way he talked has strucked me more of a plead for stopping him. 

[Abelis]

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I got the feeling he is very close and he is in a great struggle within him..But he needs a heavy push towards it. He feels he has to go through with his plan as an atonement for his mistakes, but he 'cries' for help out of this in various ways. Cole says that after he will be through with his plan, he will need to be reminded of who he is. He is losing himself, he knows it and wants to be proven wrong. Being so honest, and seeing/hearing the way he talked has strucked me more of a plead for stopping him.  And the ending choices are exact that (wich are only 2 actually, the rest are just different ways to answer for rp: Help him see or not?

sorry, this is an edit for the above answer (added one last sentence) , accidentally pressed quote instead of edit, stupid me

[Solas]

Something to think about

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ok i was thinking of what the best strategy would be for saving solas based on all the clues we have and then i though of something else ( the strategy post still coming but later cuz i need to read all his dialogues again)
SOOOOO its rumored that DA will be 5 games, every game have new protagonist , how many ppl can you have in your party - 4. Having in mind that they talked about having multiple protagonist as possible what IF there are really 5 games and in the 5th one you play all your chars from the other 4, wont that be awesome ?
why else did it matter what class was my Worden it have no effect in next games so far ( uhhh thinking of that im fcked i have 1 rogue so far and 2 mages ...)
i see the tapestry as a puzzle , there are too many decisions so far that seems useless , i think they are all puzzle pieces for the last game .

The warden and hawke can both be dead. And the problems involving a HoF reappearance remain. She's not voiced or personality coded like Hawke.

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and by game 5 I suspect quiz will be dead.

[ZhengAn]

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I can't stop myself day dreaming an impossible DA4 scene where Solas and lavellan live together happily after in deep forest or somewhere far from cities and people, become recluse(?don't know if this is the correct word  ), have simple but peaceful retire life after all the struggling suffering and chasing have ended.

Would that be too demanding? If they are going to get closure in DA4 or even only until DA5, then that would be a super long run cross games romance---a romance like this deserve a better ending, right? I'm just trying to stay possitive.  

[Nightspirit]

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I spent the first hour taking my time, chatting to people, and had the widest grin on my face through all of it - the interactions were all so funny, sweet, and lovely. I just completely fell in love with the cast again.

 

Definitely disarmed me for the inevitable heartbreak later.

 

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Oh man, the beginning of the DLC totally disarmed me too. The murals about Fen'Harel and how he helped slaves made the ending so much worse. I progressed through the game, thinking "Fen'Harel was so sweet, oh my god! How he took in all those slaves... he's the greatest!" Then BAM! Feels everywhere. Nice tactics, Bioware, you lift me up, only to strike me down later. Works fabulously.

[Solas]

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AND those murals dont even properly reflect the truth of him. Layers upon layers. Well played bioware

[Arvaarad]

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I got the feeling he is very close and he is in a great struggle within him..But he needs a heavy push towards it. He feels he has to go through with his plan as an atonement for his mistakes, but he 'cries' for help out of this in various ways. Cole says that after he will be through with his plan, he will need to be reminded of who he is. He is losing himself, he knows it and wants to be proven wrong. Being so honest, and seeing/hearing the way he talked has strucked me more of a plead for stopping him. 

 

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The question is why he needs someone to stop him. He kept saying I must do this and I must do that, the whole time I was thinking, well, why "must"? Just... don't do it, if it's such a horrible outcome, Solas. You're a couple thousand years old, how do you not have the life experience to know it's ok to change your plans, that you can move forward instead of back?

 

Though I like the theory someone mentioned a few pages back, that coming from a society of immortals gives him (in some ways) less life experience than people in shorter-lived civilizations. Maybe concepts like moving forward, or changing, are more disruptive to him than they are to modern Thedosians.

[almasy87]

Gah... :/

I need someone to check something for me.

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I saw a video where apparently you can call out Solas on being Fen'Harel before he tells you if you have collected all correct pieces of Codex. I checked the list and I seem to be missing one, which is in the Deep Roads and is now flooded so no way to get it and I don't have a save before the Darvaarad.

Out of Spite I wanted to replay the ending just to record my Lavellan telling him that.. But can anyone confirm this for me..? Is Codex Entry n 34 called "Charred Note"? http://i.imgur.com/wA0Ra8D.png
Cause that one is black so I'm f*cked

[S.W.]

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AND those murals dont even properly reflect the truth of him. Layers upon layers. Well played bioware

 

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if, when he reveals that he's Fen'Harel, you pick the thumbs-up option in the top right, "the dalish were wrong" or something like that, you mention seeing those murals about how he fought for freedom of slaves. He then basically admits exactly what you said - that they were stories of a kind too, romanticised accounts of what happened.

[Shari'El]

Okay, I need you use this thread as my haven   Emotional rambling below, not spoilers.

 

My boyfriend is abroad on vacation for two weeks and the feels kindda hurt me, but it's not the feels of "oh no that was sad" it's just my brain not wanting to accept the fact it is over.

Since the announcement of the DLC, I kind of made it my task to finish my Nightmare playthrough (I was at 45 hours), play the DLCs and then play the Trespasser.

I did manage, even if on a slight delay, but I put in the process side stuff in my life because I'm bad with patience and I obsess, when I obsess over something I rather be done with it to prevent it from affecting my life for a long term, so I usually dedicate myself to it. I played DAI throughout a day, everyday (it took me 150 hours that came from the last two weeks, I pretty much played 9-10 hours a day).

It has become a habit, I knew it'd be hard to say goodbye, for some reason I really get attached to player characters, the only other game that made me feel like that is Mass Effect, I was depressed for days. It is like the process of grieving lost ones, I remember how it felt when my friend died in real life or when my ex broke up with me, it is feels the same, it feels like I'm grieving their lose.

When somebody leaves, either by death severing you from their life, it is the realization you won't see them, won't joke with them, won't be smile with them or cry with them that creates that hole my heart that takes weeks or even years repairing. So you grieve, it hurts suddenly not being able to connect with them anymore...

The reason this happened to me in Bioware games is because they develop characters so, so much, almost everybody got something to offer you, they all feel real, in ME & DAI Garrus felt real, Mordin felt real, Legion felt real (a freakin' robot, I cried so much over him), Wrex felt real, Cassandra felt real, Dorian felt real, Solas felt... too real.

I think the fact I have no real life friends save for my boyfriend "helps", since I feel like I just lost a bunch of people, even if they are pixels.

I probably sound weird to some, but I've been always been able to overly sympathize with people and fictional characters, I'm a vegan hippie that cries at the end of almost every movie, I cry at the end of a good book or a good anime as well, it means it's working, it's mean the writer created characters deep enough for you to connect with... I just take it a lot harder than the rest...

My boyfriend and I live together and he hasn't been around from Wednesday (vacation), so it's very empty in the house, this quietness on a weekend after I finished the DLC sort of amplifies how much I miss them all...

When I first finished the DLC I was calm, perhaps from lack of sleep but most likely because I didn't even start digesting the idea it is over, for good, for several years at least. It was sad saying goodbyes to everyone, but I didn't cry, I just went over here and posted a few things and went to try and get some sleep in the middle of the day, but then the DLC plagued my dreams, certain characters, Dorian, Solas, Cole. My mind searched for even more answers, and I awoke after only sleeping for 3 hours after over 24 hours with no sleep. I felt a knot in my heart, like that black hole that pops up there when you break up with someone...

And then I came here, now I can't stop the tears and I want to play just so it won't feel as bad... After ME3 I had my boyfriend, he thought I was being weird when I cried into his shirt but he still hugged me, now I got no one to comfort me.

 

It makes me feel better to write this here, even if no one ever reads because it helps me untie the knot in my heart, the physical hurt isn't as bad now...

But how do I make the tears stop? 

 

I need a real life Cole.

 

Sorry for the rambling, I just don't know what to do... How do I continue just living? This game affected my life so much.

[S.W.]

Gah... :/

I need someone to check something for me.

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I saw a video where apparently you can call out Solas on being Fen'Harel before he tells you if you have collected all correct pieces of Codex. I checked the list and I seem to be missing one, which is in the Deep Roads and is now flooded so no way to get it and I don't have a save before the Darvaarad.

Out of Spite I wanted to replay the ending just to record my Lavellan telling him that.. But can anyone confirm this for me..? Is Codex Entry n 34 called "Charred Note"? http://i.imgur.com/wA0Ra8D.png
Cause that one is black so I'm f*cked

 

wait wait wait what.

 

can you link me that video?

[almasy87]

wait wait wait what.

 

can you link me that video?

http://forum.bioware...-of-trespasser/

[MayriyaNoori]

 

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The question is why he needs someone to stop him. He kept saying I must do this and I must do that, the whole time I was thinking, well, why "must"? Just... don't do it, if it's such a horrible outcome, Solas. You're a couple thousand years old, how do you not have the life experience to know it's ok to change your plans, that you can move forward instead of back?

 

Though I like the theory someone mentioned a few pages back, that coming from a society of immortals gives him (in some ways) less life experience than people in shorter-lived civilizations. Maybe concepts like moving forward, or changing, are more disruptive to him than they are to modern Thedosians.

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I think to understand the "must" part of Solas' thinking it helps to think about the whole In Hushed Whispers questline when you side with the mages. Quizzy and Dorian don't even blink an eye at the thought of "We have to get rid of this place" and while yes, that future was only a year in the future......and it was a pretty terrible place......Quizzy and Dorian have the same "must" attitude because the world has just gone that crazy in their perscpective. They don't stop to think "Hey, maybe there are still people out there who are fighting this somewhere" or anything.

 

On top of that, imagine if Dorian and quizzy got swept into the future like that and it took far longer than a run through Redcliffe castle to solve the situation. Imagine if they had to spend years there and meet people, potential fall in love with someone and make friends.

 

I don't know who posted this thought first, I saw it on Tumblr, but when I read it I was all like.....

 

 

because it really helped me understand Solas' whole "I must do this and that."

 

I'm not saying his plan is justified in that way......but it does help understand.

[S.W.]

Okay, I need you use this thread as my haven   Emotional rambling below, not spoilers.

 

 

It's totally ok . It's ok to be sad - fiction does that to people. I completely sympathise - had my best friend not stayed overnight the day after the DLC release, I'd probably be in a similar place.

 

Some advice: look after yourself in the two weeks before your boyfriend comes back. Treat yourself. Immerse yourself in something different, if that helps. Remember that you can always replay the game again, as well find art, fics, and other things fans have created You're gonna be ok.

[almasy87]

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Actually I cannot find any of those notes in the codex. But I remember picking up the one in the Deep Roads.. I think I'll try once more to do the ending and see if it works now..

[Abelis]

 

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The question is why he needs someone to stop him. He kept saying I must do this and I must do that, the whole time I was thinking, well, why "must"? Just... don't do it, if it's such a horrible outcome, Solas. You're a couple thousand years old, how do you not have the life experience to know it's ok to change your plans, that you can move forward instead of back?

 

Though I like the theory someone mentioned a few pages back, that coming from a society of immortals gives him (in some ways) less life experience than people in shorter-lived civilizations. Maybe concepts like moving forward, or changing, are more disruptive to him than they are to modern Thedosians.

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I asked the same question again and again trying to understand his stubbornness. And then i tried to see it from his point of view. he has woken up to this new world 1 year ago before inquisition, so that makes us approx. 6 years (thedas years, very different possibly from an immortal's point of view) when this convo takes place (if we say the base game was like 3 years time). Waking up in this world that seemed to him as all were made tranquil compared to what he knew, by his own doing, he must have been torned by what himself caused. The first year he kills Felassan (cruel yes, but see his evolution through years). He slowly sees that this world that he considers tranquil, may not be what he first thought, and this is what more confusing for him. Bare always in mind that this world is totally different for what he knew his thousand years of life. It is a slow process, but really quick for the pace of life he knew, this is all to fast for him to comprehend.

[S.W.]

http://forum.bioware...-of-trespasser/

 

thank you!

[MayriyaNoori]

Okay, I need you use this thread as my haven   Emotional rambling below, not spoilers.

 

My boyfriend is abroad on vacation for two weeks and the feels kindda hurt me, but it's not the feels of "oh no that was sad" it's just my brain not wanting to accept the fact it is over.

Since the announcement of the DLC, I kind of made it my task to finish my Nightmare playthrough (I was at 45 hours), play the DLCs and then play the Trespasser.

I did manage, even if on a slight delay, but I put in the process side stuff in my life because I'm bad with patience and I obsess, when I obsess over something I rather be done with it to prevent it from affecting my life for a long term, so I usually dedicate myself to it. I played DAI throughout a day, everyday (it took me 150 hours that came from the last two weeks, I pretty much played 9-10 hours a day).

It has become a habit, I knew it'd be hard to say goodbye, for some reason I really get attached to player characters, the only other game that made me feel like that is Mass Effect, I was depressed for days. It is like the process of grieving lost ones, I remember how it felt when my friend died in real life or when my ex broke up with me, it is feels the same, it feels like I'm grieving their lose.

When somebody leaves, either by death severing you from their life, it is the realization you won't see them, won't joke with them, won't be smile with them or cry with them that creates that hole my heart that takes weeks or even years repairing. So you grieve, it hurts not being suddenly able to connect with them anymore...

The reason this happened to me in Bioware games is because they develop characters so, so much, almost everybody got something to offer you, they all feel real, in ME & DAI Garrus felt real, Mordin felt real, Legion felt real (a freakin' robot, I cried so much over him), Wrex felt real, Cassandra felt real, Dorian felt real, Solas felt... too real.

I think the fact I have no real life friends save for my boyfriend "helps", since I feel like I just lost a bunch of people, even if they are pixels.

I probably sound weird to some, but I've been always been able to overly sympathize with people and fictional characters, I'm a vegan hippie that cries at the end of almost every movie, I cry at the end of a good book or a good anime as well, it means it's working, it's mean the writer created characters deep enough for you to connect with... I just take it a lot harder than the rest...

My boyfriend and I live together and he hasn't been around from Wednesday (vacation), so it's very empty in the house, this quietness on a weekend after I finished the DLC sort of amplifies how much I miss them all...

When I first finished the DLC I was calm, perhaps from lack of sleep but most likely because I didn't even start digesting the idea it is over, for good, for several years at least. It was sad saying goodbyes to everyone, but I didn't cry, I just went over here and posted a few things and went to try and get some sleep in the middle of the day, but then the DLC plagued my dreams, certain characters, Dorian, Solas, Cole. My mind searched for even more answers, and I awoke after only sleeping for 3 hours after over 24 hours with no sleep. I felt a knot in my heart, like that black hole that pops up there when you break up with someone...

And then I came here, now I can't stop the tears and I want to play just so it won't feel as bad... After ME3 I had my boyfriend, he thought I was being weird when I cried into his shirt but he still hugged me, now I got no one to comfort me.

 

It makes me feel better to write this here, even if no one ever reads because it helps me untie the knot in my heart, the physical hurt isn't as bad now...

But how do I make the tears stop? 

 

I need a real life Cole.

 

Sorry for the rambling, I just don't know what to do... How do I continue just living? This game affected my life so much.

Don't feel weird or bad. You having feelings and there's nothing wrong with that. And sharing always helps.

 

And I like to think of the Solas fandom as a collective Cole.

 

We're here to listen, falon. And send virtual hugs.