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[Uirebhiril]

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It seems you're forced to oppose Solas, no matter what. Is that the case, no matter what? And is it accurate to say being Dalish meant nothing as Inquisitor, since you apparently do nothing to help them?

Is there any video of a Dalish protagonist meeting Solas as a friend?

 

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You can offer to help him, but he says no, at least with a romanced Lavellan. In the end you either oppose him or are setting about to save him from himself. So you can't join him, but you also aren't necessarily seeking to fight him either.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

I just got the prompt.  It was your mind that took it to 'ewwwww' places.

 

*laughs evily*

 

Sounds like something Ishmael, the demon, would say. "I just gave them a choice, they make the decision."

 

*you'd get it if you read the world of thedas 2

[midnight tea]

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That or he's sucking up to you playing the "we both elves, my kin" card because he's figured if you're going to be so influential with these people he might as well take advantage of that.  Also easier to have spies under your nose without catching on because he's in your close circle.  

 

First he's all about "my people" are different than "your people" and then suddenly before the romance even kicks in he's at that snowy camp saying "Hey bro', we're on the same team, so let's work together so I can nudge you towards the path I want to to go on."  

 

 Sorry, broken heart is starting to make me bitter.  I've got a few RL exes I'd like to throw into the fade too.

 

 

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I don't think that's the case. Generally speaking, Solas is not fond of direct lying and I don't think he'd go as far as to call someone his kin just to suck up to Inquisitor, especially considering that he knew that Herald will be important from the start, yet wasn't afraid to voice his opinion about the Dalish.

 

Plus, there are only two other people (well, beings) whom he calls 'lethallin/lethallan' in entire game later - Abelas and spirit of Wisdom.

 

Note that Wisdom isn't exactly an elf - yet he recognizes her as one of his own, likely because there is indeed a strong bond of friendship between them, plus they're both pretty alike in their search of knowledge and contemplating it (plus, spirit of Wisdom can be corrupted to Pride, ans "Solas" means exactly that). Same I think the elven Inquisitor - at least at that time. Later, only those with high approval are called that.

[Illyria]

Sounds like something Ishmael, the demon, would say. "I just gave them a choice, they make the decision."

 

*you'd get it if you read the world of thedas 2

 

Choice. Spirit.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

Choice. Spirit.

 

I don't get it. Did you get my reference or........I'm confused.   

[LobselVith8]

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You can offer to help him, but he says no, at least with a romanced Lavellan. In the end you either oppose him or are setting about to save him from himself. So you can't join him, but you also aren't necessarily seeking to fight him either.

Admittedly, that's a bit better than what I had seen. Even as a friend, it's disheartening if it's simply one path. Thanks.

[_Lucinia]

So I just had a thought.  More than likely just reading too much into it.

 

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When Solas explains how Cornflakes got the orb he says this:

 

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I wonder if that is one of the ways the Elvhen attained immortality? Just jump into another body and be reborn?  Wait.  Maybe that's one of the horrible things that the Evanuris started doing.  Could be tied into the Vallaslin perhaps.  They could jump into one of their slaves and be reborn.  Maybe they got tired of using Uthenera to live long life spans, and this became more effective.  Which was one of the reasons Solas sought to free the slaves and remove the markings.  Maybe the Magisters discovered this when they were trying to pass into the Golden City.  But used the Blight to do so.  Or actually it's probably something Cornflakes figured out ofter he became tainted.

 

I don't put much stock into this theory.  Just something that I was pondering. 

[Illyria]

I don't get it.

 

In The Masked Empire that's how he responsed to people everytime they called him a demon.

[Illyria]

So I just had a thought.  More than likely just reading too much into it.

 

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When Solas explains how Cornflakes got the orb he says this:

 

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I wonder if that is one of the ways the Elvhen attained immortality? Just jump into another body and be reborn?  Wait.  Maybe that's one of the horrible things that the Evanuris started doing.  Could be tied into the Vallaslin perhaps.  They could jump into one of their slaves and be reborn.  Maybe they got tired of using Uthenera to live long life spans, and this became more effective.  Which was one of the reasons Solas sought to free the slaves and remove the markings.  Maybe the Magisters discovered this when they were trying to pass into the Golden City.  But used the Blight to do so.  Or actually it's probably something Cornflakes figured out ofter he became tainted.

 

I don't put much stock into this theory.  Just something that I was pondering. 

 

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The vallaslin is clearly much more than simple tattoos back in the time of Arlathan, but I'm still not sold on the idea that elves could body jump.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

In The Masked Empire that's how he responsed to people everytime they called him a demon.

 

OH RIGHT, He didn't like being called a demon. HERP A DERP DERP.

 

I read both books too. I feel bad about myself now.

[Elessara]

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I got the extra option at the end, so yeah I think I had thankfully picked up the one in the Deep Roads. But thanks to you I also got the achievement which I hadn't XD Anyway, for a moment I thought it was the right codex, because when you go to that room you mentioned, and there is a painting of Fen'Harel, this time without a hood, and well everyone can see that it's a bald egg elf.. and Lavellan says "Is that...? Wait, I think I see something". So I thought it was also because of that one that she recognizes him.. But it's not listed in Commander of the Grey's post. Interesting

Which Eluvian are you struggling with? Are you able to post a screenshot? Since you helped me maybe I can help you in return XD

 

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Glad I helped with something at least  

 

Yeah, I think the Inq was talking about the painting b/c it looks like a large stone body being split and there's a veilfire rune on the painting that gives a codex about the Pillars of the Earth - which are probably Titans.

 

Hmm, no screenshot but it's the first time you ever speak to the Viddasala.  On either side are 2 raised areas, one has an attackable archery target and a lootable chest but you can jump up there b/c the railing is broken in a certain place.  The other side has no broken railing and there's an active eluvian.

 

[TeaLulu]

So I just had a thought.  More than likely just reading too much into it.

 

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When Solas explains how Cornflakes got the orb he says this:

 

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I wonder if that is one of the ways the Elvhen attained immortality? Just jump into another body and be reborn?  Wait.  Maybe that's one of the horrible things that the Evanuris started doing.  Could be tied into the Vallaslin perhaps.  They could jump into one of their slaves and be reborn.  Maybe they got tired of using Uthenera to live long life spans, and this became more effective.  Which was one of the reasons Solas sought to free the slaves and remove the markings.  Maybe the Magisters discovered this when they were trying to pass into the Golden City.  But used the Blight to do so.  Or actually it's probably something Cornflakes figured out ofter he became tainted.

 

I don't put much stock into this theory.  Just something that I was pondering. 

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What if, if the Inquisitor keeps their Vallaslin and in a future game we meet one of the Evanuris, if it's their mark, they can use it to manipulate you somehow, much like how Mythal can use the well?

 

SPOOKY. Corypheus uses the blight, but Vallaslin is blood writing, it may have special powers if its been done correctly throughout the ages.

 

On a non-spoilery note...does anyone have a favorite song for Solas or Solasvellan?

[drosophila]

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I don't think that's the case. Generally speaking, Solas is not fond of direct lying and I don't think he'd go as far as to call someone his kin just to suck up to Inquisitor, especially considering that he knew that Herald will be important from the start, yet wasn't afraid to voice his opinion about the Dalish.

 

Plus, there are only two other people (well, beings) whom he calls 'lethallin/lethallan' in entire game later - Abelas and spirit of Wisdom.

 

Note that Wisdom isn't exactly an elf - yet he recognizes her as one of his own, likely because there is indeed a strong bond of friendship between them, plus they're both pretty alike in their search of knowledge and contemplating it (plus, spirit of Wisdom can be corrupted to Pride, ans "Solas" means exactly that). Same I think the elven Inquisitor - at least at that time. Later, only those with high approval are called that.

 

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With Wisdom, I think he may be calling her lethallin, because spirits seem to have had a special relationship with elves when both were residents of the Fade.

 

During the main game, he seemed as if he was going out of his way to never tell a lie, and then in DLC if Lavellan chooses the angry dialogue option, he confirms he only lied by omission, so we know with certainty he wasn't lying when he used lethallin. 

 

I think he might be using it not just as an expression of friendship, but because he really sees similarities between the Inquisitor and himself. He said that the title of Fen'Harel inspired hope in his friends and fear in his enemies, similar to Inquisitor. I think after the singing scene, and also if elf Inky earns his respect, he sees them as a leader in time of chaos, not so different to what he used to be. In his way he's trying to relate.

[_Lucinia]

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The vallaslin is clearly much more than simple tattoos back in the time of Arlathan, but I'm still not sold on the idea that elves could body jump.

 

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I definitely agree that the vallaslin is more than just a simple tattoo.  I'm just going wild with possibilities for stuff to theorize on because we have not much at all to explain what they were doing that was so horrible, or how they were destroying the world.  It'll be interesting to see how much we come up with was close or true. 

[Solas]

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blood writing - blood magic - magical bindings - slavery

[Kittn]

I've had this story in my head since I played Trespasser. It's only a second draft, but if I don't get it out of my system I'll never get my accounting paper written that's due tonight.

 

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He knew something was different as he approached his old home. It was still as quiet as he remembered but there was a strange magical presence inside. He slipped around the back to the courtyard and found the once barren ground was alive with herbs, flowers and trees. He couldn't help the smile that lifted the corner of his mouth. Merrill must have done it. Despite their rough beginning and the anger he showed her, she stayed true to herself. Something he never expected. He hated to admit he admired her for it.

 

Climbing the trellis he slipped through an open window on the second floor and found the room had been transformed. No longer was it filled with empty crates and discarded  or broken items, it was now a small study. The fire in the fireplace lit the room in a soft glow of orange. He warmed his hands a moment and contemplated leaving, but he was too curious to leave just yet. Who could be brave enough to live here? He would look around some more, if nothing else he could slip away unseen, he knew every inch of this house.

 

Each room he found held treasures from all over the world. One was even centered around a golden nug, and other nug related items. It was odd, but also kind of cute. Each room had its own theme. He hesitated outside what was once his own bedroom, he'd left a few things behind, and wondered where they might be. He opened the door to see everything was nearly the same as when he left. The only obvious changes were clean window coverings, clean bed linens and the cobwebs and dust was gone.

 

He heard the sound of someone stirring the fire in the fireplace in the sitting room downstairs and began crept down the stairs. He wanted to see who was brave enough to live in this house. Despite Hawke's help there were still the occasional demons that showed themselves while he stayed here. It was why he was able to hang onto it for so long. No one was brave enough to want to claim it.

 

The knock on the front door stopped him in his tracks and the soft footfalls of bare feet on the stone sent him back up the stairs and into the shadows to watch. A soft blue glow of magical light preceded the slight feminine frame that emerged from the room. He bit back a hiss at the thought of a mage in his home but instead of disdain he felt something different. Her blond white hair fell in soft waves down her back. It was long enough that it almost trailed the floor as she walked. The sides were pulled back behind long slender pointed ears.

 

"Who's there?" she asked.

 

"It's me, Stormy." He knew the voice. An old friend. One he hadn't heard from since he'd received news of Hawke's death in Adamant. Their friend had sacrificed himself to save Varric, the Inquisitor and Alastair in the Fade.

 

She opened the door. "It's a bit late for a social visit Varric and it's not Wicked Grace night is anything wrong? Is there any news?" The last question had a pleading hopeful sound as well as an underlying anguish to it.

 

"Sorry, no not that. **** Stormy, you can't sit in here and brood forever! When is the last time you ate something? You can't keep doing this to yourself. Chuckles chose his path and he's got all the time in the world to set his plan in motion. Hell he may even wait until we are all gone before making his move." She nodded at him but didn't answer. She wiped at her cheeks with her right hand and then turned to head back to the room. He felt a stab of pity for her when he saw the pinned sleeve of her gown on her left arm.

 

"So why are you here Varric?" she asked him.

 

"An old friend of mine was seen in town earlier and last report was he was heading this way. I uh, well you see... I never was able to find him after the Hawke incident, and so he probably doesn't know you own this place yet."

 

So that was why his home was remodeled, but why not his old room?

 

"Yes, I knew that already." she said.

 

"How? I just found out and rushed over."

 

"Because he's upstairs right now." she said. He wanted to both laugh and run. She knew he was here the whole time? How? Then her gaze lifted to his position and if he hadn't of been in the shadows their eyes would have locked. "I've got a few bottles of Aggegio Pavali if you’d like to join us Fenris."

 

Varric started laughing. "Don't ever change Stormy."

 

He had little choice but to show himself. "How did you know?"

 

"Please, I felt you the moment you entered the garden. Do you know how many wards you triggered before you reached the window upstairs?

 

Varric laughed again. "You should see your face my friend." The girl smirked at him and he couldn't help but smile back. He's been careless. He'd thought he felt the first ward, but ignored it.

 

"The wine, a friend and a fire sounds pretty good right now. It's getting colder outside." he walked down the stairs and Varric clapped him on the shoulder. "Fenris this is Cara Renan Lavellen. Formally known as The Herald of Andraste, The Inquisitor, Vanquisher of the Rebel Mages, Savior of Ferelden, Savior of Orlais, Vanquisher of Corypheus, and well I guess Savior of Thedas for sealing the Breach as well as stopping the Qunari from taking over the world. Oh and Comtess on top of it all."

 

"Gee Varric, did you leave anything out this time? I swear my title gets longer each time you introduce me." He felt the corner of his mouth lift. She held out her hand "Just Cara is fine. I'm not much of an active force in politics anymore."

 

He was dumbfounded. This tiny elf was the Herald? The hero that saved the world?

 

Varric's laughter brought him out of his thoughts. "Half of what I've heard can't be true. You aren't at all what I expected." He said.

 

She laughed a light happy sound of a laugh that lifted his spirits. "Yeah I get that a lot. Hell my title is taller than I am! Add the missing limb and they practically think all of it was made up."

 

"Sorry about the house Broody. I still have my suite at the Hanged Man. You can call it home for as long as you like. I own the place now. It's the least I can do for an old friend." Varric told him.

 

"His room is still as he left it here. I couldn't figure out what to do with your stuff so it's all just as you left it." she said.

 

"You left his room alone?" Varric asked.

 

She shrugged. "I was cleaning it when I realized whose stuff was there. Sorry, I read your book the one about Shartan. It was interesting to k=learn more about him. I put it back though."

 

"I'm glad someone read it, I still only read enough to send or read Varric’s notes, when I get them.

 

"Oh! I could teach you!" She sounded excited and then blushed under his gaze and bit her lower lip as she turned away. "We were going to have wine weren't we? Varric? Care for some?"

 

"Actually I just remembered I have some letters I've been ignoring. Choir-boy sends me something at least once a month, I should probably find out what he wants. I'll just let myself out." The dwarf was up to something, he had that look in his eye like he was scheming again.

 

"Uh, ah, ok, then I'll see you Friday? Wicked Grace right?" she asked.

 

"Yep, game night at the Hanged man. Even Merrill will be there." He said. "Fenris, join us unless you aren't planning on staying around."

 

"Merrill wrote me, I'm looking forward to seeing her again. I'm sure she'd like to see you again Fenris, she's missed you." she said.

 

"I wasn't planning on it, but I might stick around for a few days." He found himself saying. Varric grinned at him and he felt like he's just walked into some plot of his. Then he headed for the door.

 

The door clicked behind Varric and she snapped her fingers. Magical energy filled the air and flowed out through the house.

 

"Sorry, just sealing the house. You can get out without trouble, but nothing else can come in. I guess I forgot to earlier, or you wouldn't have gotten in." She handed him a glass of wine and then reached for her own and sat on the love seat in front of the fire.

 

"I'm glad you forgot." He said as he sat next to her.  She smiled at him and his breath caught in his throat.

 

"So am I.”

 

 

Edited for terrible typos.

 

Excellent! Not quite how it would go for Tiger since she's not magey and she's a brunette. Ah! You make me want to write one out for my elfy.  You also make me want to think of a Varric-brand nickhame for her. I never even thought of what he might call her since her name is ridiculous enough. My original Lavellan was named Chesha. I was then making another one for some reason or another, can't even remember what it was now, and I named the tester Tiger Festival. Then, I lost Chesha's saves because I did a stupid and so Tiger Festival became the star and then my favorite.

 

I've since sort of had a head canon backstory rattling around in my head that gives her a real elfy name that she doesn't use and makes the weird one fit. But she needs a Tethras nick name too so she can be one of the cool kids.

 

Hmmmm~ Maybe Kitten? Not biased at all there, me. :3

 

I think I'll write a thing.

 

Edit: Er. Did I get a top page? That hardly ever happens to me. Lemme scare up a Solas for ya'll. Hm. Here's nice one from my trespasser screenshot pile:

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That jawline... Dios mio.

[Illyria]

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I definitely agree that the vallaslin is more than just a simple tattoo.  I'm just going wild with possibilities for stuff to theorize on because we have not much at all to explain what they were doing that was so horrible, or how they were destroying the world.  It'll be interesting to see how much we come up with was close or true. 

 

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Sorry - didn't mean to sound like I was dismissing your theory. It's one of those topics that comes up a lot.

I have a lot of vallaslin thoughts at the moment. That line from Cole about how 'he left a scar when he burned her off his face' does sound like he's talking about Solas (scar on face, creator of the vallaslin removal spell) and possibly Mythal. Which also raises questions about elves themselves. Were they fade spirits? Did the vallaslin give them form, bind them in some way? Was Solas' removal of his own vallaslin the first act that showed elves could be free?

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

So I just had a thought.  More than likely just reading too much into it.

 

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When Solas explains how Cornflakes got the orb he says this:

 

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I wonder if that is one of the ways the Elvhen attained immortality? Just jump into another body and be reborn?  Wait.  Maybe that's one of the horrible things that the Evanuris started doing.  Could be tied into the Vallaslin perhaps.  They could jump into one of their slaves and be reborn.  Maybe they got tired of using Uthenera to live long life spans, and this became more effective.  Which was one of the reasons Solas sought to free the slaves and remove the markings.  Maybe the Magisters discovered this when they were trying to pass into the Golden City.  But used the Blight to do so.  Or actually it's probably something Cornflakes figured out ofter he became tainted.

 

I don't put much stock into this theory.  Just something that I was pondering. 

 

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It seems likely that theres some body jumping involved with how the Elvanuris have immortality. At least, it seems to be how a fragment of mythral has survive all this time after being killed. However, I don't think that the Elvhen as a whole have immortality the same way as archdemons do. In the world of thedas 2, its mentioned under corypheus' section that in the fade, someone with absolute certainty could become god like while someone with doubt would cease to exist. I think its more likely that the Elvhen were immortal simply because they believed that they were and the power of their conviction with the fade's power made their belief into reality.

[midnight tea]

So I just had a thought.  More than likely just reading too much into it.

 

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When Solas explains how Cornflakes got the orb he says this:

 

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I wonder if that is one of the ways the Elvhen attained immortality? Just jump into another body and be reborn?  Wait.  Maybe that's one of the horrible things that the Evanuris started doing.  Could be tied into the Vallaslin perhaps.  They could jump into one of their slaves and be reborn.  Maybe they got tired of using Uthenera to live long life spans, and this became more effective.  Which was one of the reasons Solas sought to free the slaves and remove the markings.  Maybe the Magisters discovered this when they were trying to pass into the Golden City.  But used the Blight to do so.  Or actually it's probably something Cornflakes figured out ofter he became tainted.

 

I don't put much stock into this theory.  Just something that I was pondering. 

 

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Perhaps there's more than one way of obtaining immortality. We hear from Solas that Cole basically regained his immortality after shedding his 'human' pains that have bound him to this world, for example.

 

In any case - I think Vallaslin is important, however I think the Evanuris amassed worshipers/slaves predominantly to increase their power - there must've ben something about the worship that gave them strength, especially in a world that can be shaped by will and belief. That power in itself however could guarantee that the Evanuris are effectively immortal, or at least hard to kill.

 

However, Solas also tells Inquisitor that "the first of his kind" are hard to kill - so there must've been about the 'first of his kin' (is Solas one of the oldest elves in existence as well?) that made them near-eternal.

[midnight tea]

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blood writing - blood magic - magical bindings - slavery

 

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Which makes me wonder if elf Inquisitor's vallaslin will ever come into play??? Doubt it though, probably too much of a hassle to create somethings specific in what appears to be already many variables Bioware has to tackle for next DA titles. At this point the vallaslin might have lost its power.

[_Lucinia]

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Sorry - didn't mean to sound like I was dismissing your theory. It's one of those topics that comes up a lot.

I have a lot of vallaslin thoughts at the moment. That line from Cole about how 'he left a scar when he burned her off his face' does sound like he's talking about Solas (scar on face, creator of the vallaslin removal spell) and possibly Mythal. Which also raises questions about elves themselves. Were they fade spirits? Did the vallaslin give them form, bind them in some way? Was Solas' removal of his own vallaslin the first act that showed elves could be free?

Oh it's ok I didn't think you were being dismissive!  I throw out stuff all the time just to see if it'll start a discussion.  I'm just glad when someone notices and responds!

 

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I remember a loooooooong time ago in this thread I had tossed out that I wondered if Solas used to be a spirit like Cole, and maybe the Elvhen were too.  The only response I got was nope I don't think that's likely.  The implications of what Solas did in the past and the new info we've been given since Trespasser has me patting myself on the back a bit, because I am potentially a little bit right.  (I did too see later on other people saying the same thing and people were more receptive   It's funny how that can go sometimes.)

 

I'm never firmly attached to any theory or thought I come up with.  There's some really smart and perceptive people in here.  I say stuff cuz I wonder if it'll spark them to come up with something.  Mostly I just like hanging out in here and a zany theory is a better way to be productive (personally).

[Illyria]

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Perhaps there's more than one way of obtaining immortality. We hear from Solas that Cole basically regained his immortality after shedding his 'human' pains taht bound him to this world, for example.

 

In any case - I think Vallaslin is important, however I think the Evanuris amassed worshipers/slaves predominantly to increase their power - there must've ben something about the worship that gave them strength, especially in a world that can be shaped by will and belief. That power in itself however could guarantee that the Evanuris are effectively immortal, or at least hard to kill.

 

However, Solas also tells Inquisitor that "the first of his kind" are hard to kill - so there must've been about the 'first of his kin' (is Solas one of the oldest elves in existence as well?) that made them near-eternal.

 

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All this is making me think of the Chant. The Maker's first children being formed from the Fade. I'm going to need to re-read World of Thedas 2, it seems.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

 

I'm never firmly attached to any theory or thought I come up with.  There's some really smart and perceptive people in here.  I say stuff cuz I wonder if it'll spark them to come up with something.  Mostly I just like hanging out in here and a zany theory is a better way to be productive (personally).

 

Congrats, you understand what being a philosopher is all about. Asking any all questions, even seemingly crazy/abusrd questions in hopes of thoroughly examining it. Not even joking.

 

It is amusing reading people muse over the morality of Solas' actions and plans.

[Illyria]

Oh it's ok I didn't think you were being dismissive!  I throw out stuff all the time just to see if it'll start a discussion.  I'm just glad when someone notices and responds!

 

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I remember a loooooooong time ago in this thread I had tossed out that I wondered if Solas used to be a spirit like Cole, and maybe the Elvhen were too.  The only response I got was nope I don't think that's likely.  The implications of what Solas did in the past and the new info we've been given since Trespasser has me patting myself on the back a bit, because I am potentially a little bit right.  (I did too see later on other people saying the same thing and people were more receptive   It's funny how that can go sometimes.)

 

I'm never firmly attached to any theory or thought I come up with.  There's some really smart and perceptive people in here.  I say stuff cuz I wonder if it'll spark them to come up with something.  Mostly I just like hanging out in here and a zany theory is a better way to be productive (personally).

 

I was probably one of the people dismissing it, sorry.

 

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I really don't know what to make of that theory anymore. His dialouge with Cole inicates that Cole is pretty unique, and Solas makes it clear that he's not a spirit - he even envys Cole being a spirit. Unless his formation into a mortal was done in other, more tramatic, means (by being summoned and bound by Mythal, for example which OH MY GOSH would put his dislike of slavery and binding Cole in a whole new light) and it's Cole's ease of becoming a human that is what he envys.