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[_Lucinia]

I was probably one of the people dismissing it, sorry.

 

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I really don't know what to make of that theory anymore. His dialouge with Cole inicates that Cole is pretty unique, and Solas makes it clear that he's not a spirit - he even envys Cole being a spirit. Unless his formation into a mortal was done in other, more tramatic, means (by being summoned and bound by Mythal, for example which OH MY GOSH would put his dislike of slavery and binding Cole in a whole new light) and it's Cole's ease of becoming a human that is what he envys.

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I always wonder though, with how clever Solas is with his phrasing.  Does he really mean unique as in ever, or unique for current Thedas.  When the Veil didn't exist spirits and elvhen etc all existed together, right?  I always wonder if what were the ancient elves started out as strong spirits who willed themselves into being.  And then Cole did the same thing.  Which with the separation from the Fade Solas didn't think would ever be possible in this world.  I have a tendency to never take anything he says as just the one meaning.  Which means I read between lines that aren't there quite often

[LobselVith8]

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Which makes me wonder if elf Inquisitor's vallaslin will ever come into play??? Doubt it though, probably too much of a hassle to create somethings specific in what appears to be already many variables Bioware has to tackle for next DA titles. At this point the vallaslin might have lost its power.

It can still have cultural significance for the Dalish, as Lavellan can say. I imagine it could take on new meanings for the People who are informed by one of their own who drank from the Well, and is therefore connected to ancient knowledge.

[Sable Rhapsody]

On a non-spoilery note...does anyone have a favorite song for Solas or Solasvellan?

I've posted it here before, but this cover of Demons is my go-to Solavellan song. It hurts even more after Trespasser



Though if we ever have to duel Solas mano-a-mano, I want this from Avatar: The Last Airbender.

[Moondreamer01]

I was probably one of the people dismissing it, sorry.

 

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I really don't know what to make of that theory anymore. His dialouge with Cole inicates that Cole is pretty unique, and Solas makes it clear that he's not a spirit - he even envys Cole being a spirit. Unless his formation into a mortal was done in other, more tramatic, means (by being summoned and bound by Mythal, for example which OH MY GOSH would put his dislike of slavery and binding Cole in a whole new light) and it's Cole's ease of becoming a human that is what he envys.

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If we take at face value that he's not lied to us, other than by omission, though, he can't have started as a spirit. He tells us of his childhood in a small village. If truly that is true (even if it happened millenia ago), he clearly was an elf and not a spirit. but the again, the distinction between elves and spirit before the raising of the veil might be more porous than we realize. Hard to say.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

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I always wonder though, with how clever Solas is with his phrasing.  Does he really mean unique as in ever, or unique for current Thedas.  When the Veil didn't exist spirits and elvhen etc all existed together, right?  I always wonder if what were the ancient elves started out as strong spirits who willed themselves into being.  And then Cole did the same thing.  Which with the separation from the Fade Solas didn't think would ever be possible in this world.  I have a tendency to never take anything he says as just the one meaning.  Which means I read between lines that aren't there quite often

 

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Actually, more often than not its probably wise to read between the lines of anything Solas says. As others have pointed out, he outright hints at his master plan in the original game in an of hand manner.

 

https://www.reddit.c...ntion_his_plan/

[Illyria]

I've posted it here before, but this cover of Demons is my go-to Solavellan song. It hurts even more after Trespasser



Though if we ever have to duel Solas mano-a-mano, I want this from Avatar: The Last Airbender.

 

If I was going to go for an Avatar song it would be Secret Tunnel...

 

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Actually it works pretty well.

I don't know if that's good or bad.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

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If we take at face value that he's not lied to us, other than by omission, though, he can't have started as a spirit. He tells us of his childhood in a small village. If truly that is true (even if it happened millenia ago), he clearly was an elf and not a spirit. but the again, the distinction between elves and spirit before the raising of the veil might be more porous than we realize. Hard to say.

 

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I believe Solas is the same as Felmeth, a regular person possessed by an Evanuris. Hence, Solas was once a regular elf. Note that Solas mentions that he laugh basicly at the fact that he was "taken by the dread wolf"

[midnight tea]

I was probably one of the people dismissing it, sorry.

 

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I really don't know what to make of that theory anymore. His dialouge with Cole inicates that Cole is pretty unique, and Solas makes it clear that he's not a spirit - he even envys Cole being a spirit. Unless his formation into a mortal was done in other, more tramatic, means (by being summoned and bound by Mythal, for example which OH MY GOSH would put his dislike of slavery and binding Cole in a whole new light) and it's Cole's ease of becoming a human that is what he envys.

 

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Cole's is very unique in this world. But there's also another person we know of whom Solas says is unique as well - Lavellan and, by extension, probably all highly approved Inquisitors.

 

And this dialogue:

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... indicates that Cole indeed is probably the closest to what the People were prior to the Veil. Therefore yes - Solas and 'his people' likely are similar to Cole. That doesn't mean that they're all exactly the same. Just like people, they can be more complex or more powerful - hence some elvhen managed to enslave others, who were likely weaker or more vulnerable (or controllable if bound by vallaslin).

 

Cole is still very young, be it as a complex spirit or a would-be-human - Solas, on the other hand, is very ancient and apparently pretty powerful, as well as knowledgeable. He's not a spirit per se - he's more than that. But at the same time he's not like anyone else in Thedas.

 

Even in WoT 2 Cullen mentions that Solas is "too much like them" (spirits) to ever be possessed by spirits/demons, even if they could kill him.

[midnight tea]

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I believe Solas is the same as Felmeth, a regular person possessed by an Evanuris

 

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No - you can actually ask him if he's like Mythal and he says that he is not.

[Sable Rhapsody]

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I believe Solas is the same as Felmeth, a regular person possessed by an Evanuris

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He claims in Trespasser that he's only ever been himself. Solas was his original name, and then the Evanuris started calling him the Dread Wolf, a title he embraced. I think there's a reason he stands apart from the Evanuris in all of the elven legends, even the Dalish ones. He might be the same power level as them, but he's fundamentally different from them somehow.

[FrankWisdom]

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Alright guys, I need your help. I'm struggling with my canon playthrough choice on whether or not to keep the inquisition as a peace-keeping force for Divine Victoria (Softened Leliana) or disbanding in order to take on Solas with our core group and finding help on our own.

The one thing I believe in (much like issues brought up in Kotor 2) is that true power comes from knowing when to turn away from it. The Inquisition's main purpose has been solved and traitors were found in our midst. The ever growing numbers of our organization had become a detriment to our original purpose.

This lead to the problem every organization eventually faces. Power struggle, treachery, change in leadership, the future of the organization, misuse, public perception etc.

However, a new threat has surfaced, changing circumstances.

 

When I met Mother Giselle and she asked me my plans for the inquisition, I honestly told her

 

"You once told me about the inquisition that took place eight hundred years ago. You said that when their battle was over, that inquisition's soldiers sheathed their swords and went home. If our battle truly is over, perhaps it's our turn to do the same"

 

After learning about Solas' plans, I have to ask myself, is it truly over? When I accepted the role of Inquisitor I did so because the cause was a righteous one. The cause that has surfaced is not only personally critical but also has bigger potential for worldwide damage than the threat that Corypheus posed. With my thoughts explained on the situation this then comes down to a choice based on pragmatism rather than principle

 

Here are my pros and cons for each decision starting with for The Inquisition then Against.

 

The main problems about the Inquisition being too large is dealt with if we become a Peace-Keeping Force for Divine Victoria. A manageable size with special tests and screenings to catch and anticipate traitors and moles.

 

"As The Divine's personal guard and peacekeeping force, the Inquisition shrank to a more manageable size. Many who served went home, though the remaining force was still enough to give pause to any who might threaten The Divine's plans. Those who served the new Inquisition were tested and checked thoroughly, in the hope of ferreting out any more spies within its ranks."

 

Connections I've established as an organization are still viable and strong, though moles are more of a concern because of us working in the light (under the Inquisitions banners) rather than in the shadows (on our own with the contacts we've made). Keeping with the Inquisition gives us more eyes with which to survey but also brings more gazes upon our plans and actions. What we represent can be both a beacon of hope and a cause for concern (as has always been the case). On one hand, we now can protect our biggest asset and ally (The Divine) directly while also profiting from our standing within The Chantry. The main concern of disbanding comes from seeing all the good we've done being undermined and undone. Giving the people a choice is paramount, but protecting them from themselves is also something to think about. Just the thought of knowing that our organization is still active would give most pause before trying to act against our past deeds. Being active would also, of course, mean that we would stand ready to respond to outside threats if need be, hence the Peace-Keeping part.

 

As for Disbanding.

 

Our original purpose has been accomplished. We now have a choice to make. A new threat has been uncovered and our own organization has grown too quickly and too large to manage effectively. Disbanding would allow us to pursue our objectives unfettered and out of sight from unwanted eyes. Not having to answer to public perception would work in our favor, however our capacities to find political allies and sway certain groups to our cause as well as use previous connections would be heavily... severed (get it, because of our arm... Ok, bad pun). Having no accountability would give us unlimited freedom when it came to problem solving yet the tools at our disposal would be limited. We still would have The Divine's support and her connections at our disposal however, as well as other connections we had developed on a personal level. Although our numbers would be few, our bonds would be unbreakable. When push comes to shove, having a few people we trust is more important than many that could potentially hamper if not destroy our efforts entirely. Something else to consider is not being beholden to an organization. We wouldn't stand as a figurehead. This would enable us to concentrate on our goals without having to worry about public perception or duties that came with The Inquisition. Another pro would be that our organization could never be used against us or the people of Thedas. Given our role is never permanent, then being replaced could easily be achieved. The Divine will also eventually be replaced. Having a military force answering to her could be extremely damaging if changes that have been made are nullified. We already know what happened to The Templars and this has the potential to be worse, as the  Inquisition's purpose is much more ambiguous and no special training is required to swell the ranks.

 

So given this is the last and most crucial decision in the game, I thought it would be a great subject to discuss. Not only for my benefit but also for all of yours. I'd really love to know of your decisions and more importantly, what motivated you to make them

 

I think I'm going to make this a thread of its own as I think its a worthy topic. I'll name it

 

The Fate of Your Inquisition. This will be a place to discuss spoilers without tags and will be labelled as such for our convenience. I hope it interests some of you guys. Anyways feel free to share your thoughts on this thread or the one I'll create

[Illyria]

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I believe Solas is the same as Felmeth, a regular person possessed by an Evanuris. Hence, Solas was once a regular elf. Note that Solas mentions that he laugh basicly at the fact that he was "taken by the dread wolf"

 

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Trespasser 100% confirms this isn't the case. Solas was Solas before he was Fen'Harel. He's no-one agent but his own. He's never been anyone but him.

[Sable Rhapsody]

If I was going to go for an Avatar song it would be Secret Tunnel...
 

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Actually it works pretty well.

I don't know if that's good or bad.

Bah. Out of likes again so LIKE Cole can sing that to them 

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

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No - you can actually ask him if he's like Mythal and he says that he is not.

 

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thats a reference to Mythal actually being just a fragment of her original soul. She is after all, dead. Solas meant that he is whole, as in, he's never been killed. Hes not just an echo of a dead god. Or at least thats how I took it.

[Illyria]

Bah. Out of likes again so LIKE Cole can sing that to them 

 

Solas and Lavellan just need to let love (or giant, blind molerats) show the way!

[Uirebhiril]

I've posted it here before, but this cover of Demons is my go-to Solavellan song. It hurts even more after Trespasser

 

It's really something how well that song fits them. Good pick.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

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Trespasser 100% confirms this isn't the case. Solas was Solas before he was Fen'Harel. He's no-one agent but his own. He's never been anyone but him.

 

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Hmmm, rereading the dialogue, it seems your right. Solas has been using his original given name the whole time. That troll. lol

 

That seems to indicate that Solas was originally just a normal elf that freed himself. So he went from low class slave to god-like power through his own willpower. Kind of inspiring, if he wasn't planning mass genocide. even if its just an indirect result of his plans, its still unforgivable.

[TeaLulu]

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Hmmm, rereading the dialogue, it seems your right. Solas has been using his original given name the whole time. That troll. lol

 

That seems to indicate that Solas was originally just a normal elf that freed himself. So he went from low class slave to god-like power through his own willpower. Kind of inspiring, if he wasn't planning mass genocide. even if its just an indirect result of his plans, its still unforgivable.

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I do believe it is almost entirely based on willpower, which the Fade is supposedly shaped by. I'd reference this codex found in JoH for that:

 

http://dragonage.wik...ldauran's_Claim

 

[Moondreamer01]

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Alright guys, I need your help. I'm struggling with my canon playthrough choice on whether or not to keep the inquisition as a peace-keeping force for Divine Victoria (Softened Leliana) or disbanding in order to take on Solas with our core group and finding help on our own.

The one thing I believe in (much like issues brought up in Kotor 2) is that true power comes from knowing when to turn away from it. The Inquisition's main purpose has been solved and traitors were found in our midst. The ever growing numbers of our organization had become a detriment to our original purpose.

This lead to the problem every organization eventually faces. Power struggle, treachery, change in leadership, the future of the organization, misuse, public perception etc.

However, a new threat has surfaced, changing circumstances.

 

When I met Mother Giselle and she asked me my plans for the inquisition, I honestly told her

 

"You once told me about the inquisition that took place eight hundred years ago. You said that when their battle was over, that inquisition's soldiers sheathed their swords and went home. If our battle truly is over, perhaps it's our turn to do the same"

 

After learning about Solas' plans, I have to ask myself, is it truly over? When I accepted the role of Inquisitor I did so because the cause was a righteous one. The cause that has surfaced is not only personally critical but also has bigger potential for worldwide damage than the threat that Corypheus posed. With my thoughts explained on the situation this then comes down to a choice based on pragmatism rather than principle

 

Here are my pros and cons for each decision starting with for The Inquisition then Against.

 

The main problems about the Inquisition being too large is dealt with if we become a Peace-Keeping Force for Divine Victoria. A manageable size with special tests and screenings to catch and anticipate traitors and moles.

 

"As The Divine's personal guard and peacekeeping force, the Inquisition shrank to a more manageable size. Many who served went home, though the remaining force was still enough to give pause to any who might threaten The Divine's plans. Those who served the new Inquisition were tested and checked thoroughly, in the hope of ferreting out any more spies within its ranks."

 

Connections I've established as an organization are still viable and strong, though moles are more of a concern because of us working in the light (under the Inquisitions banners) rather than in the shadows (on our own with the contacts we've made). Keeping with the Inquisition gives us more eyes with which to survey but also brings more gazes upon our plans and actions. What we represent can be both a beacon of hope and a cause for concern (as has always been the case). On one hand, we now can protect our biggest asset and ally (The Divine) directly while also profiting from our standing within The Chantry. The main concern of disbanding comes from seeing all the good we've done being undermined and undone. Giving the people a choice is paramount, but protecting them from themselves is also something to think about. Just the thought of knowing that our organization is still active would give most pause before trying to act against our past deeds. Being active would also, of course, mean that we would stand ready to respond to outside threats if need be, hence the Peace-Keeping part.

 

As for Disbanding.

 

Our original purpose has been accomplished. We now have a choice to make. A new threat has been uncovered and our own organization has grown too quickly and too large to manage effectively. Disbanding would allow us to pursue our objectives unfettered and out of sight from unwanted eyes. Not having to answer to public perception would work in our favor, however our capacities to find political allies and sway certain groups to our cause as well as use previous connections would be heavily... severed (get it, because of our arm... Ok, bad pun). Having no accountability would give us unlimited freedom when it came to problem solving yet the tools at our disposal would be limited. We still would have The Divine's support and her connections at our disposal however, as well as other connections we had developed on a personal level. Although our numbers would be few, our bonds would be unbreakable. When push comes to shove, having a few people we trust is more important than many that could potentially hamper if not destroy our efforts entirely. Something else to consider is not being beholden to an organization. We wouldn't stand as a figurehead. This would enable us to concentrate on our goals without having to worry about public perception or duties that came with The Inquisition. Another pro would be that our organization could never be used against us or the people of Thedas. Given our role is never permanent, then being replaced could easily be achieved. The Divine will also eventually be replaced. Having a military force answering to her could be extremely damaging if changes that have been made are nullified. We already know what happened to The Templars and this has the potential to be worse, as the  Inquisition's purpose is much more ambiguous and no special training is required to swell the ranks.

 

So given this is the last and most crucial decision in the game, I thought it would be a great subject to discuss. Not only for my benefit but also for all of yours. I'd really love to know of your decisions and more importantly, what motivated you to make them

 

I think I'm going to make this a thread of its own as I think its a worthy topic. I'll name it

 

The Fate of Your Inquisition. This will be a place to discuss spoilers without tags and will be labelled as such for our convenience. I hope it interests some of you guys. Anyways feel free to share your thoughts on this thread or the one I'll create

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I disbanded. I don't believe the conflict to come is one that the inquisitor can throw people at and hope to win. For one, it's personnal to her (that's an rp reason though) and sending a ton of strangers into danger for a personnal quest just feels weird (I know the world hang in the balance, but the decision to try to save Solas and not just to stop him is definitely a personal one). Then, the chances of spies, even if the inquisition becomes a peacekeeping force for the Divine is too high. And then, Solas knows the inner workings of the Inquisition too well. He was there when it was formed and he knows how the Inquisitor and her closest advisers work and think. So, it needs to go. As she says in the stinger, she needs new people, people he won't expect. And so she travels light.

 

I don't think either decision is wrong though, and becomes more of a role-playing reason.

[Moondreamer01]

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I do believe it is almost entirely based on willpower, which the Fade is supposedly shaped by. I'd reference this codex found in JoH for that:

 

http://dragonage.wik...ldauran's_Claim

Still wondering what the Forgotten Ones were...theres a codex in Trespasser that says they dared to take the form of the gods (dragons, I assume) and were "forbidden from the earth" which is their right. So could that mean they were confined to the more "fade" section of the world, when the Veil wasn't torn? 

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That reference the Forbidden one though (Imshael and al) not the forgotten ones, Strong spirit that refused to pick the evanuris' side and help and were banished for it (as far as I understood that codex). the Forgotten ones are something else. I believe they're another faction of Evanuris that were on the losing side of some conflict with the Pantheon and got struck out of his history, as losers often are.

[Jayla]

Just finished Trespasser.

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I seriously don't know how I feel about it. I don't know how to process it. I was crying for my girl when I saw her missing an arm, but I seriously don't understand Solas' motivations to essentially destroy the world to destroy the veil! I don't know why he thinks it would be a good thing, or something even remotely useful! The majority of his "people" are dead! Who's he restoring the world to? The current elves? At the expense of everyone else? That's not the Solas I knew when playing. But finding out exactly what happened with the ancient elves and the pantheon was great and made sense to the Solas character.

 

This DLC didn't turn out at all like I thought it would. I'm glad for the extra effort they went with my Quizzy being Dalish, there were a bunch of nods towards it, and how some companions finally gave some acknowledgement towards the romance. I both love how Solas still calls her "vhenan", and that Lavellan returned it. But the little kiss scene was bugged to shit for me and didn't look any good at all, it was clunky as hell, seriously awkward. It took me out of the moment.

 

I think I've got about 6 thousand pages to scrawl back through. I might even need to play the DLC again. But right now, I'm not sure whether or not I was glad I played it. I don't know if the mystery of what's to come was preferable. I chose to put the Inquisition to Cass so we've got a better chance to look for Solas, but I don't know. I don't know how I feel.

 

Any kickass theories or the likes? Also what does Lavellan say to Solas when she speaks to him in elvish?

 

Edit: Is Trespasser or the Descent up on the Keep for anyone else yet? There's nothing there for me.

[Illyria]

Well, it looks like the rest of the BSN has found out

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about Leliana lyrium ghost ending.

[Cee]

Well, it looks like the rest of the BSN has found out

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about Leliana lyrium ghost ending.

 

*stays right in here*

[Draconaise]

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What if, if the Inquisitor keeps their Vallaslin and in a future game we meet one of the Evanuris, if it's their mark, they can use it to manipulate you somehow, much like how Mythal can use the well?

 

SPOOKY. Corypheus uses the blight, but Vallaslin is blood writing, it may have special powers if its been done correctly throughout the ages.

 

On a non-spoilery note...does anyone have a favorite song for Solas or Solasvellan?

 

For Solas:

 

For a Team Optimism Forever Romanced Solas:

 

I may or may not have been listening to these on repeat for the last three days... ahem.