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[Illyria]

Just finished Trespasser.

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I seriously don't know how I feel about it. I don't know how to process it. I was crying for my girl when I saw her missing an arm, but I seriously don't understand Solas' motivations to essentially destroy the world to destroy the veil! I don't know why he thinks it would be a good thing, or something even remotely useful! The majority of his "people" are dead! Who's he restoring the world to? The current elves? At the expense of everyone else? That's not the Solas I knew when playing. But finding out exactly what happened with the ancient elves and the pantheon was great and made sense to the Solas character.

 

This DLC didn't turn out at all like I thought it would. I'm glad for the extra effort they went with my Quizzy being Dalish, there were a bunch of nods towards it, and how some companions finally gave some acknowledgement towards the romance. I both love how Solas still calls her "vhenan", and that Lavellan returned it. But the little kiss scene was bugged to shit for me and didn't look any good at all, it was clunky as hell, seriously awkward. It took me out of the moment.

 

I think I've got about 6 thousand pages to scrawl back through. I might even need to play the DLC again. But right now, I'm not sure whether or not I was glad I played it. I don't know if the mystery of what's to come was preferable. I chose to put the Inquisition to Cass so we've got a better chance to look for Solas, but I don't know. I don't know how I feel.

 

Any kickass theories or the likes? Also what does Lavellan say to Solas when she speaks to him in elvish?

 

*hugs*

 

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If it makes you feel better, most of us reacted to the DLC in the same way you did.  I was even out of Team Optimism for a few days.  But there's been a lot of theory crafting and discussion of Solas' motives.

[Moondreamer01]

More rambling ahead...

 

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I wonder if Solas was aware at all while he was in uthenera. Did he see the world pass him by while he slept, reflected in the fade? The fact he seems so shocked by the world he finds upon waking seems to indicate he wasn't aware (did he then go on an history crash course by scouring the fade, gleaning all those tidbits we can ask him about?). On the other hand, he's awfully organized already, with agents and spies, for a guy awake only for a few years, so he must have had some time even before he waked, no? Time enough to visit sympathizer in dreams and find himself some people to work for him.

 

Related to this, I wonder what ended up waking him. Did he wake on his own, or did something happen a year before the conclave that woke him. The chantry blowing up, on the scale of human events, just isn't big enough for that. Hmmm, to ponder...

 

Finally, I wonder if Solas was aware of the consequences of raising the veil when he did it. He's too intelligent that he won't have infered at least some of it (can't believe he'd be quite that oblivious), but I wonder if it still took him aback. Or... did he think he could somehow fix things before they got too bad? he left behind a foci to gather magic that would allow him access to this new behind-the-veil fade after all, possibly as a way to undo his work later. Did he expect to be sleeping only a short time (while his orb gathered enough magic for the anchor) and then ondo it before the civilization of Elvhenan could completely crumble, but the magic exhausted him more than planned? again, food for thoughts...

[Solas]

Just finished Trespasser.

Spoiler

I seriously don't know how I feel about it. I don't know how to process it. I was crying for my girl when I saw her missing an arm, but I seriously don't understand Solas' motivations to essentially destroy the world to destroy the veil! I don't know why he thinks it would be a good thing, or something even remotely useful! The majority of his "people" are dead! Who's he restoring the world to? The current elves? At the expense of everyone else? That's not the Solas I knew when playing. But finding out exactly what happened with the ancient elves and the pantheon was great and made sense to the Solas character.

 

This DLC didn't turn out at all like I thought it would. I'm glad for the extra effort they went with my Quizzy being Dalish, there were a bunch of nods towards it, and how some companions finally gave some acknowledgement towards the romance. I both love how Solas still calls her "vhenan", and that Lavellan returned it. But the little kiss scene was bugged to shit for me and didn't look any good at all, it was clunky as hell, seriously awkward. It took me out of the moment.

 

I think I've got about 6 thousand pages to scrawl back through. I might even need to play the DLC again. But right now, I'm not sure whether or not I was glad I played it. I don't know if the mystery of what's to come was preferable. I chose to put the Inquisition to Cass so we've got a better chance to look for Solas, but I don't know. I don't know how I feel.

 

Any kickass theories or the likes? Also what does Lavellan say to Solas when she speaks to him in elvish?

 

Edit: Is Trespasser or the Descent up on the Keep for anyone else yet? There's nothing there for me.

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seeing things from solas' pov

[Cee]

Just finished Trespasser.

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I seriously don't know how I feel about it. I don't know how to process it. I was crying for my girl when I saw her missing an arm, but I seriously don't understand Solas' motivations to essentially destroy the world to destroy the veil! I don't know why he thinks it would be a good thing, or something even remotely useful! The majority of his "people" are dead! Who's he restoring the world to? The current elves? At the expense of everyone else? That's not the Solas I knew when playing. But finding out exactly what happened with the ancient elves and the pantheon was great and made sense to the Solas character.

 

This DLC didn't turn out at all like I thought it would. I'm glad for the extra effort they went with my Quizzy being Dalish, there were a bunch of nods towards it, and how some companions finally gave some acknowledgement towards the romance. I both love how Solas still calls her "vhenan", and that Lavellan returned it. But the little kiss scene was bugged to shit for me and didn't look any good at all, it was clunky as hell, seriously awkward. It took me out of the moment.

 

I think I've got about 6 thousand pages to scrawl back through. I might even need to play the DLC again. But right now, I'm not sure whether or not I was glad I played it. I don't know if the mystery of what's to come was preferable. I chose to put the Inquisition to Cass so we've got a better chance to look for Solas, but I don't know. I don't know how I feel.

 

Any kickass theories or the likes? Also what does Lavellan say to Solas when she speaks to him in elvish?

 

First of all, welcome back.

 

 

 

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The layers and layers of sadness and horrible but also hope that they give us....it will take some time to settle if you're like many of the rest of us.

 

One of my favorite exchanges is when she can tell him "I never would have thought of you as someone who could do that, Solas" and his response is "Thank you". She thought better of him. Read between his lines and expressions. He's resigned but he also knows she'll come after him, he seems to want to be proven wrong again.

 

*puts tiny TO flag in your lap*

 

[Cee]

I feel kind of like thread mama and like I should be putting out cookies.

[MayriyaNoori]

On the topic of vallaslin

 

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And this is not really spoilery...but just in case.

 

I have wondered if vallaslin actually functioned a bit like a shock collar of sorts on slaves. Like a rune that the Evanuris could activate if it was tied to them and if a slave tried to do anything they didn't want.

 

And then I wonder if it would have been June himself that invented the vallaslin so to speak since he is seen as the guy in charge of crafting...but magical crafting would have involved things mostly like runes and enchantments I would think.

 

Then it makes me wonder if that's the big favor that Sylaise was like "Oh you clever June, you gave us the perfect tool to enslave everyone. Bravo, here's a paradise estate!"

 

Shot in the dark at this point...but hey, it could work.

 

[_Lucinia]

More rambling ahead...

 

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I wonder if Solas was aware at all while he was in uthenera. Did he see the world pass him by while he slept, reflected in the fade? The fact he seems so shocked by the world he finds upon waking seems to indicate he wasn't aware (did he then go on an history crash course by scouring the fade, gleaning all those tidbits we can ask him about?). On the other hand, he's awfully organized already, with agents and spies, for a guy awake only for a few years, so he must have had some time even before he waked, no? Time enough to visit sympathizer in dreams and find himself some people to work for him.

 

Related to this, I wonder what ended up waking him. Did he wake on his own, or did something happen a year before the conclave that woke him. The chantry blowing up, on the scale of human events, just isn't big enough for that. Hmmm, to ponder...

 

Finally, I wonder if Solas was aware of the consequences of raising the veil when he did it. He's too intelligent that he won't have infered at least some of it (can't believe he'd be quite that oblivious), but I wonder if it still took him aback. Or... did he think he could somehow fixed things before they got too bad? he left behind a foci to gather magic that would allow him access to this new behind-the-veil fade after all, possibly as a way to undo his work later. Did he expect to be sleeping only a short time (while his orb gathered enough magic for the anchor) and then ondo it before the civilization of Elvhenan could completely crumble, but the magic exhausted him more than planned? again, food for thoughts...

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I'm thinking that creating the Veil completely tapped him out, wiped him of majority of his power so Uthenera was no choice.  I suspect that he fully expected to sleep long enough for his foci to gather power enough that when he awoke he could finish whatever it is his original plan actually was.  He probably expected a certain set of consequences and needed to recharge his batteries to combat that.  But then he wasn't actually powerful enough to unlock his foci when he did wake up.  Yadda yadda yadda we know what then transpired.

 

It seems strange to me that he could amass so much support in such relatively little time.  Whereas Mythal has been using Flemeth for a looooooooong time (hundreds of years?) to put things in motion.  I have a feeling that what he is using now to carry out his goals might actually be as a result of Flemythal's work.

 

I am curious how much Mythal could have been allied with Solas way back when.  And if his plans were her plans as well.

[Solas]

Jayla: the elvish;

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Lavellan: if you had just told me

Solas: then you'd carry the same burden I do

Lavellan: I want to. Ma ghilana, vhenan. [lit. me - guide - heart - guide me, my heart/enlighten me, my heart]

 

Lavellan: Ma harel lasa! [lit. you - trick - give. You gave me deception; you lied to me]

solas: only through omission

Lavellan: ma lasa banal'ghilana! [lit. you - give - nothing/no - guide. You did not give me guidance, you misled me]

Solas: what should I have said? that I was the Big Bad in Dalish myth?

 

Solas: ir abelas, vhenan [I'm sorry heart. lit I'm - sorrow]

Lavellan: tel'abelas. [you're not sorry. or she's not sorry. can be either]

[Kadan]

Here is what I was playing while playing the last of the game before Trespasser. Of course it still fits after Trespasser.

 

 

 

 

I'm supposed to be writing a paper. I'm just glad I played this Tuesday and have since been able to compartmentalize some of the feels this hit me with.

[Solas]

aand more elvish

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lavellan: solas var lath vir suledin. [lit. our - love - way/path - endure (in the poetic context of strength to withstand loss). love conquers all, we can get through this, our love is strong enough.

 

solas: i walk the din'anshiral [lit. dead/end - journey. He walks the final journey, perhaps a suicide mission in essence - there is only death on the path he now travels.]

[Jayla]

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seeing things from solas' pov

 

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I love you. That's definitely put things into perspective, and finally puts a stamp on Cole's "you're real, so that means everything else could be too, but it can't" comment. Holy crapzilla! I like that the option to help Solas cropped up even if it was for naught. I chose it on impulse, but I think I'd definitely tick it again.

 

Chances are the next DA won't feature the Inquisitor, but I seriously, seriously hope we have a chance to pull him back. To help him. It looks like they're leaning him towards being a bad guy (an understandable one, but a bad guy nevertheless), but I hope the Inquisitor isn't pushed to the sidelines as extensively as HoF and Hawke have.

 

I have a serious need to help Solas see the current Thedas is worth saving! Who said earlier that the DLC is hype? They weren't wrong. xD

[Moondreamer01]

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I'm thinking that creating the Veil completely tapped him out, wiped him of majority of his power so Uthenera was no choice.  I suspect that he fully expected to sleep long enough for his foci to gather power enough that when he awoke he could finish whatever it is his original plan actually was.  He probably expected a certain set of consequences and needed to recharge his batteries to combat that.  But then he wasn't actually powerful enough to unlock his foci when he did wake up.  Yadda yadda yadda we know what then transpired.

 

It seems strange to me that he could amass so much support in such relatively little time.  Whereas Mythal has been using Flemeth for a looooooooong time (hundreds of years?) to put things in motion.  I have a feeling that what he is using now to carry out his goals might actually be as a result of Flemythal's work.

 

I am curious how much Mythal could have been allied with Solas way back when.  And if his plans were her plans as well.

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Perhaps he thought he'd slep for a decade. even a century. There would still have been people from Elvhenan then to help rebuild once he brought the veil down again. Although... if the veil was supposed to keep the enavuris prisoner, he has the problem of what to do with them, so... perhaps he never thought of bringing the veil down? At least, not until he saw its consequences in the modern world? Urgh, I'm giving myself a headache again...

[Lady Lionheart]

I have a Solavellan song to add...

Although, I am in the "too feels addled, reading too much into everything and seeing Solavellan connections everywhere" stage... Still (have been since the non-dlc ending of DAI.)

*Sigh.*

Where's DA4 gosh darn it?!

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[Sable Rhapsody]

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It seems strange to me that he could amass so much support in such relatively little time.  Whereas Mythal has been using Flemeth for a looooooooong time (hundreds of years?) to put things in motion.  I have a feeling that what he is using now to carry out his goals might actually be as a result of Flemythal's work.

 

I am curious how much Mythal could have been allied with Solas way back when.  And if his plans were her plans as well.

 

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I think the difference in approach has to do with Solas and Mythal's personalities and perspectives.  For all that he claims the contrary, Solas is in many ways still that hot-headed young rebel, making snap judgments before he has all the facts.  It's only been four years since he woke up, and he's already decided he needs to end the world, for goodness' sake.  Whereas Mythal has been around a lot longer, seeing things through Flemeth's eyes and her own.  She plays the patient long game where Solas tries to effect sweeping change RIGHT NAO.

[Jayla]

First of all, welcome back.

 

 

 

Spoiler

 

The layers and layers of sadness and horrible but also hope that they give us....it will take some time to settle if you're like many of the rest of us.

 

One of my favorite exchanges is when she can tell him "I never would have thought of you as someone who could do that, Solas" and his response is "Thank you". She thought better of him. Read between his lines and expressions. He's resigned but he also knows she'll come after him, he seems to want to be proven wrong again.

 

*puts tiny TO flag in your lap*

 

 

UNGH! My feelings!

[Moondreamer01]

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I love you. That's definitely put things into perspective, and finally puts a stamp on Cole's "you're real, so that means everything else could be too, but it can't" comment. Holy crapzilla! I like that the option to help Solas cropped up even if it was for naught. I chose it on impulse, but I think I'd definitely tick it again.

 

Chances are the next DA won't feature the Inquisitor, but I seriously, seriously hope we have a chance to pull him back. To help him. It looks like they're leaning him towards being a bad guy (an understandable one, but a bad guy nevertheless), but I hope the Inquisitor isn't pushed to the sidelines as extensively as HoF and Hawke have.

 

I have a serious need to help Solas see the current Thedas is worth saving! Who said earlier that the DLC is hype? They weren't wrong. xD

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After the way they ended things in the DLC, I'd be frankly more surprise NOT to see the Inquisitor coming back than the opposite. Several people (me included) have talked of the possibility of a dual-protagonist game for DA4, where we keep playing Quizzie, plus a new character in Tevinter. I think it would be perfect and would make for interesting parallel storytelling.

[Solas]

I feel kind of like thread mama and like I should be putting out cookies.

while thread dad explains all the things LOL 

[Renmiri1]

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I'm not so sure either! Modern Thedas is in many ways a crapsack world and there are many things threatening to consume it.

 

But I still don't see the romanticness & justification over 'and nooow we will rule over this genocide-created new world together as godmonarchs', lol. If you look at Solas as a character, his whole deal is that he personally doesn't wanna rule over anything.

Aye is best

 

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to save him

[Solas]

love you too jayla happy my post helped a bit!

[drosophila]

Just finished Trespasser.

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I seriously don't know how I feel about it. I don't know how to process it. I was crying for my girl when I saw her missing an arm, but I seriously don't understand Solas' motivations to essentially destroy the world to destroy the veil! I don't know why he thinks it would be a good thing, or something even remotely useful! The majority of his "people" are dead! Who's he restoring the world to? The current elves? At the expense of everyone else? That's not the Solas I knew when playing. But finding out exactly what happened with the ancient elves and the pantheon was great and made sense to the Solas character.

 

This DLC didn't turn out at all like I thought it would. I'm glad for the extra effort they went with my Quizzy being Dalish, there were a bunch of nods towards it, and how some companions finally gave some acknowledgement towards the romance. I both love how Solas still calls her "vhenan", and that Lavellan returned it. But the little kiss scene was bugged to shit for me and didn't look any good at all, it was clunky as hell, seriously awkward. It took me out of the moment.

 

I think I've got about 6 thousand pages to scrawl back through. I might even need to play the DLC again. But right now, I'm not sure whether or not I was glad I played it. I don't know if the mystery of what's to come was preferable. I chose to put the Inquisition to Cass so we've got a better chance to look for Solas, but I don't know. I don't know how I feel.

 

Any kickass theories or the likes? Also what does Lavellan say to Solas when she speaks to him in elvish?

 

Edit: Is Trespasser or the Descent up on the Keep for anyone else yet? There's nothing there for me.

 

Hey, have a hug.  I think it takes a few days to process this, because it's such a powerful story. 

[_Lucinia]

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Perhaps he thought he'd slep for a decade. even a century. There would still have been people from Elvhenan then to help rebuild once he brought the veil down again. Although... if the veil was supposed to keep the enavuris prisoner, he has the problem of what to do with them, so... perhaps he never thought of bringing the veil down? At least, not until he saw its consequences in the modern world? Urgh, I'm giving myself a headache again...

 

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My head hurts too!  lol

 

I am super curious what he originally intended to do.  Maybe like you said he thought he would only sleep for a year or 10.  Then he could be the care taker of this new separated world or something.  He does say in that final conversation that he wanted the Evanuris to be imprisoned for eternity for killing Mythal (paraphrasing a bit).  So he definitely did not ever intend to let them out.  Yeah, I kind of like the idea that he slept in.  He was supposed to be there to lead his people in this new world.  But he forgot to set his alarm.  Hrmmm.

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I think the difference in approach has to do with Solas and Mythal's personalities and perspectives.  For all that he claims the contrary, Solas is in many ways still that hot-headed young rebel, making snap judgments before he has all the facts.  It's only been four years since he woke up, and he's already decided he needs to end the world, for goodness' sake.  Whereas Mythal has been around a lot longer, seeing things through Flemeth's eyes and her own.  She plays the patient long game where Solas tries to effect sweeping change RIGHT NAO.

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Yeah you're right on that when it comes to impatience versus the slow game.  My concerns are when it comes to Mythal, how much of her now is still the mother figure and voice of reason that she was before her murder, and how much of her has been twisted by Flemeth?  Or rather how much have both of them been twisted by the need for vengeance.  We don't know what Mythal's plans are either.  Are they good plans?  She says she wants a reckoning.  Curious how what she's been setting in motion is going to play out.

[Renmiri1]

Oh, and bonus picture to use to reply to people being asses about our Fade nerd.

 

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Always knew he reminded me of

 

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[Wissenschaft 2.0]

Always knew he reminded me of

 

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ROFL, thank you so much. That was a good laugh.

[MayriyaNoori]

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My head hurts too!  lol

 

I am super curious what he originally intended to do.  Maybe like you said he thought he would only sleep for a year or 10.  Then he could be the care taker of this new separated world or something.  He does say in that final conversation that he wanted the Evanuris to be imprisoned for eternity for killing Mythal (paraphrasing a bit).  So he definitely did not ever intend to let them out.  Yeah, I kind of like the idea that he slept in.  He was supposed to be there to lead his people in this new world.  But he forgot to set his alarm.  Hrmmm.

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Yeah you're right on that when it comes to impatience versus the slow game.  My concerns are when it comes to Mythal, how much of her now is still the mother figure and voice of reason that she was before her murder, and how much of her has been twisted by Flemeth?  Or rather how much have both of them been twisted by the need for vengeance.  We don't know what Mythal's plans are either.  Are they good plans?  She says she wants a reckoning.  Curious how what she's been setting in motion is going to play out.

In regards to the Pantheon...

 

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I really do think Solas was going to let them out. Or he is still going to let them out. It's the only way I can think of that he can actually wipe them out in one stroke. Release Evanuris, collapse Veil, Evanuris die/become heavily weakened in the destruction.

 

Which is going to suck if they turn out to be kinda nice or at least alright after being tortured for 2000 years......and they want to save the world from Fen'Harel.

 

Unless he somehow planned to try to be besties with them. =/ Possible I guess.